It's no coincedence that crippled limbs showed up in the original Fallout. It was based on the G.U.R.P.S system until the devs lost the licence. It was then changed to ACELIPS which was rearranged into the SPECIAL system we all know and love.
blu I highly reccomend "Goin' Nuclear: A Fallout Documentary" by Lockstin & Gnoggin here on RU-vid. A fascinating documentary about the history of the Fallout series as a whole, both the games made by Interplay and Bethesda.
I remember creeping clear across post-apocalyptic Boston, stuck in a crouching position by two injured legs, with two hours of unsaved gameplay hanging on my ability to find a bed. Losing stats to fatigue, hunger, and thirst, desperately trying to spot and snipe every raider before he got close enough to kill my nearly-immobile character. Without the "crippled limb" mechanic, I wouldn't have this Roy-Batty-esque memory... why would anyone want to take that out?
Becaude they didin't want you to feel like a survivor They wanted you to feel like nuclear wasteland superman and feel like the MC from "I am Legend" when they want you to. That "when they want you to" part is enough to make the illusion to new players that they played the same post apocalyptic survival RPG the old Fallout players felt, all without being so brutal that it turns them away from not knowing what to do
@@zildjian2381 oh what doom eternal that slowly ramps up the difficulty and has checkpoints at every corner and dozens of guides to kill tough enemies with a soundtrack that turns your brains awareness WAYYYYYY up?
screw caps, i always heal with food and then Radaway. It's only on the rare occasions i get crippled in combat and need health that i'll stimpack. As a result i often end up selling 100+ stimpacks multiple times per play thru because i get a stockpile of 200+ before realising
@@sabertoothtooth2572 If you want crippled limbs, but don't want a similar mechanic to genuinely make the game more engaging and strategic, then why even ask for the limbs? Crippled limbs make the game more engaging and realistic, and so does a hunger/thirst/sleep meter. If you like the game being better, then why not make it even more so? What is the actual point of saying "I want crippled limbs!" But then also taking one look at the concept of food and going "Nah, son!" Like, play a game with difficulty, or not, but the idea of cherry-picking certain traits that make the game better, and leaving in aspects that objectively make it less engaging, is literally fuckin bonkers as shit.
Christian Grey Yes, in FO4 limbs autoheal, and in FO1 you press a button on the menu and they "auto heal", and in FO3 and New Vegas you can just sleep in a bed which there are many of in almost every location of note on the map, or use one of your 100 stimpacks... It's all the same.
I get some aspects of hardcore mode but why cant stimpacks heal limbs they speed up healing so why cant they heal a broken bone why do you need a doctors bag hydra or an actual doctor
Because stimpacks are too easy to find, it would've broke te concept of challenge behind hardcore (wich already ain't no challenge). Sure it is weird as you said, but if they didn't do that they would probably have to make them harder to find, making hp wayy harder to get back (in course of a battle I mean). So yeah, you won't find a logical answer based on lore or anything, it's just made like this so that the game is still as much playable than in normal mode
@@thepurdychannel8866 because you need to set the bone and stuff, a stim pack is for simple things like the muscle cells that would come back soon anyway and a stock of blood.
I will say, after the attempted medkit and doctor chat ending with "You're already healthy" I realized the game doesn't treat limbs in a similar manner to other, newer, fallout titles, and that an alternative was needed.
Used games almost never have their manual. To counteract that, just put the instructions in the damned game. A simple tooltip when you hover your cursor over the Doctor Skill that says what it can do would be nice. But nope, Interplay didn't think of that. Now that is what is called, user unfriendly design.
this is a sterling example of how reckless and thoughtless players are in games in this day and age, and how games these days handhold to deal with shitty players. Heaven forbid there be a fail state, that can easily be avoided from reading a manual/online manual that came with a game.
That part about crippled limbs in FO1 reminded me of my own experience in FO1 where I went to Mariposa and for some reason was missing 99/100 shots I took at point blank range. After slogging through this marathon battle I realized my Perception had dropped to 1 because my eyes were crippled.
GURPS was the original system used for Fallout, I forgot what it stood for but it was supposed to be something similar to the SPECIAL system. They intended to use GURPS in a multitude of different games and the first location they thought of was a post apocalyptic game, as such Fallout was originally titled GURPS wasteland. So essentially the game you referred to that use the crippled limb system was essentially just an early version of Fallout
Yeah, GURPS just stands for Generic Universal Role-Playing System. (It was supposed to be a temporary placeholder name; they just never came up with anything better than GURPS to replace it.) It's not like SPECIAL where it stands for the stats; you only have 4 stats in GURPS. (health, strength, intelligence, and dexterity, IIRC)
they intended to licence GURPS at first. Fallout 1 was to be called Vault 13: A GURPS role-playing game at some point. then allegedly GURPS creators thought Fallout 1 was too violent, so the deal was canceled. Interplay then created SPECIAL to replace GURPS. SPECIAL is quite different, although you can see where it drew its inspiration.
Hahaha, it surprised me to see him not knowing it, like he didnt even read the abilities. Good thing he uninstall it before getting into the supermutant building and dying by a random crit.
Same with generator in Glowing. Generator don't say you can fix it with engineering. And more important, it's the only use of this skill. All in all half of skills are nearly unused, at least in original fallout.
it's common logic that he should of looked at doctor skill description, but it's obvious he wasn't a very good observer. I don't understand why those kinds of people, that literally don't look at skills or any useful information in the game. Yet they complain about it like it's the games fault and not theirs, stupidity at it's finest.
Fallout was inspired by the GURPS board game system but had to change some things due to copyright issues so Fallout most definitely borrowed the crippled limb system from GURPS
Nah, it really was originally intended to be 'powered by GURPS' in the same way Planescape: Torment or the Baldur's Gate games were 'powered by D&D'. They just went with SPECIAL after the copyright deal fell through.
@@johnhill4323 You know he is british right? Also, he has only done the "not a nightmare" on 2 games, and of course, its a series of videos! Of course they are called the same thing! Imagine going onto a minecraft letsplay saying "How to be -insert name of minecraft youtuber-, Call every video "Minecraft Lets play", Profit." It would be ridiculous!
@@ducreat Fair enough. Bethesda could have made a doctors bag, or even simply having Curie in your party as alternative to fixing broken limbs, it would be simple enough for what they were aiming and alternatives to keeping the skill system. Although I still prefer skills.
@@th9667 Sure is, but I never argued based on how realistic it were, rather that it would fit the apocaliptic setting of the game, if you are gonna implement a breakable limbs system, to have fixing limbs be harder than just treating them, for that a doctors bag (being harder to find than a stimpack) would immersive you in the helplesness the setting asks for. And that was the original idea during development, but when they realized how much of our time it would waste (real time walking instead of the overworld map traveling system in F1 and F2) they scraped the idea.
@@th9667 In the original you actually had to have a high enough doctor skill AND the proper supplies to heal crippled limbs. In other words, you actually had to be a fucking doctor, which is about as realistic as it can get in a videogame.
I usually just end up dying before my limbs get crippled, not that I've ever intentionally crippled my limbs to try and re-create a scene from Rick and Morty...
www.dailymotion.com/video/x3i4c07 I happened to recognize this episode but they mentioned the purge in the scene so one google search would've of done it lol, it's 07:20 of Look Who's Purging Now which is linked, TADAAA
At the beginning of Fallout 1 when you reach Shady Sands talk to someone at the gate (I think it's the girl), she'll tell you about the doctors skill for healing crippled limbs. If it ain't her, try their hospital. I only just started playing Fallout 1 and thanks to you, I took a more careful notice to remember that.
So he said that a big thing in fo1 is noticing details and being observant, and said that it had a huge flaw he could have avoided if you notice details and be observant,... well shit
@@ameliacid4146 I don't see how a person literally telling you that the doctor skill fixes broken limbs is a "throwaway line" and it's also fucking obvious, how do I fix my leg, the doctor skill oh yeah, the skill called doctor,he could at least have tried it
Well, you need access to the console to do that. Maybe someone can possibly make a mod to do something like that, but most likely not given the restrictions imposed on your mods.
@@britneyfierce The removal of fast travel is the worst part of F4 survival. Running across the same empty wasteland isn't immersive it's boring an tedious.
I think you hit on something really hard in this one, but barely missed the full truth. Fallout was originally using GURPS, but this system was replaced by SPECIAL later in development. Interplay actually licensed the system from Peter Jackson Games for Fallout, but pulled out of the deal when Peter Jackson marked the opening video as "unapproved" due to the violence, which makes sense as this was 1995 and something of that nature (assassinating a helpless person, then waving nonchalantly at the camera) wasn't often seen in games at the time.
He muddled it with the LOTR director, funny cause most ppl muddle up the British gamesworkshop Steve Jackson with American Gurps Steve Jackson cause they worked on the same games back in the day
Alternate titles: 'How to professional cripple yourself.' ' "M -M-Morty, my limbs are healing!" "Oh geeez, isn't that good?" "No Morty, now I need *burp* to set the house on flames again! Hold this grenade for me." '
Octavia Melody Someomes never spammed sunset saspirilla. Considering the mild 2 hp over 15 seconds i tend to spam my mouse which gets me that "wonderful" bottle opening followed by a "ah". Not seeing the spastic just a illistration of anytime I get shot in fallout NV.
Vampire the Masquerade (And most of the 3rd edition "World of Darkness" games ) Written by White wolf games (Now owned by CCP games), also had a "Crippled" in their games that dated back as far as 1992 in it's original pen and paper published roll playing games. That system carries over into most of their video games and spin off systems as well.
After playing their tabletop games i can confirm they were inspired by themselves, the rules are so bad and convoluted that they sure are crippled in the head.
Given the extreme frequency of Stim Packs like fucking *EVERYWHERE* in FO4, I'd say concerns over broken limbs resulting in long limping walks were misconceived. They have 0 weight, and even playing on Very Hard difficulty, by level 20 I usually have almost 70 of them, and either such a good selection of perks or quality of protective equipment, that I rarely use them.
In survival mode there is also diseases and the stimpaks work slowly over time rather than fill up your health in a few seconds. I wish there was a halfway point difficulty where I would have to manage the weight of everything including ammo in my inventory, have to drink, sleep and eat and risk diseases without having to play at a difficulty that any explosion is killing me. An easier survival mode.
I searched a bit and found 2 interesting mods. One just tweak the damage multiplier back down to a reasonable level. The other add a tape that has toggle and options for every settings. I think ill try that one. I could make the game so I receive as much damage as I give. Need to sleep and drink. Have weighed ammo but at the same time be allowed to save anywhere and fast travel. I can add just the right amount of management and needs to my game without having to run away from everything for the first 50 levels.
You...you do know that console commands are thing, right? It would've been easier to just have crippled your limbs with any of the following commands. player.modav leftattackcondition -100 player.modav rightattackcondition -100 player.modav leftmobilitycondition -100 player.modav rightmobilitycondition -100 player.modav perceptioncondition -100 EDIT: ALSO, the GECK should be your best friend for this kind of thing. You could extend -- or at the very least should be able -- the time that the molotov flames are active.
But this is in the context of making machinima. If you take making machinima seriously you should probably use a pc to make a wider variety of content. The length of a fire effect isn't really going to affect your game outside of making machinima, nor is placing different light sources. Obv the limping thing affects gameplay but I typically play survival and to the best of my knowledge limbs don't auto heal (or do they? idk)
+Makenah Langley its not bad game design hes just stupidly playing on easy mode on normal they heal far slower and on hard and survival they don't heal at all you either need to use a stimpack or see a doctor check your facts before commenting
Here's a quick tip I used. Get the Spray and Pray from Cricket and you can have controlled explosive damage onto any part of your body. Any "Explosive" legendary weapon will work, but I prefer the Spray and Pray since it doesn't eat up as much health. Just walk up against a wall and shoot it at the general direction of where your limb is.
OR you use the console command to do it. For example "player.modav rightmobilitycondition -100" for the right leg, "player.modav rightattackcondition -100" for the right arm and "player.modav Perceptioncondition" for the head.
Ahab It didn’t “require” it. I was 12 when I beat fallout 1 and 2 after Fallout 3 introduced me to the series in 2008 and I had no trouble learning the concepts through paying attention and a bit of trial and error. Intuitiveness amongst gamers is a rare trait nowadays it seems.
I almost wonder if they made the current crippling system the way it is in an effort for it to only really affect the player in intense combat but not completely destroy gameplay when they're just walking around. Only real reason i think this is because of how drastically a cripple limb affects your aim and movement speed and can end in a grizzly death if you're surrounded by ghouls or super mutants or a yao gui or any enemies in the game, as this function makes the game hard enough to give you a solid challenge but easy enough to be very welcoming to a new age of younger players who may be picking up fallout as their first true story game. After all you wouldn't hand a 12 year old who's never played a story game Dark Souls as their first round, that would make them think all story games are that hard and not only swear off the series but possibly story games as a whole. Meanwhile, if you make a game easier on the surface and then scale the difficulty up with the difficulty settings like Fallout 4 does with the difference between easy and survival, then you can usher in a more chilled experience for the casual gamer and newcomers to the fallout series while also pleasing the gaming masochists of the world.
That's because it was. He makes machinimas. Therefore his content revolves around that. Fallout 4 is a nightmare for machinimas and he explains why in this and other videos.
Fun fact that you mentioned gurps. Fallout was originally based on the GURPS system with a PC game built around those rules. It wasn't changed to S.P.E.C.I.A.L. until later.
Synthetic there is nothing shit about it. It is just an opinion of people couldn’t handle the freedom of choice it provides. GURPS as rpg is not a selfcontained setting. It is a toolkit for a game master to create any rpg game he/she desires. You have to choose which elements you want in your game and which you don’t want. It is very simple or very complex depending on your choices. Gurps is not a finished product, it is a tool to make a game you want. So if you are not willing to put some work into it it is not for you. ‘Shit’ argument comes from people who couldn’t understand what gurps is and expecting to have everything given to them on a silver platter.
Skullkan6 you don't even need the manual, at the beginning the doctor skill says what it can be used for if you click on it, and if you're personalizing your character how can you not notice?
Yes because having to de-immerse yourself from the game to read a book on how to do what the fuck you're trying to do, rather than it just being intuitive, is great fucking game design. Seriously, people have a really bad case of rose-tinted glasses for old game design.
Even if Google came out shortly before Fallout, an insightful questions forum with those knowledgeable on Fallout was a huge, huge stretch, even a whole year after release. The manual was your only way back then which was essay long, and many players didn't read them. So failing that, your only hope was finding someone IRL who could answer your question. Again, those were in short supply given most people didn't own PCs back then. I'm sure people could've made money from operating as a gaming guru of sorts. Now there's practically nothing which can't be answered.
you've just reminded me of gaming tip hotlines. They were just a bit before my era but sometimes in playing old dos games you see them pop up, honest to god phone numbers that usually run to nsfw phone services or things like that at this point.
If you were truly playing Fallout like it was the late 90's you would RTFM if you can't figure out a game mechanic. They came with long mini-books in those days for a reason.
0:25 Fallout was originally intended to work off of the GURPS system, so it is very likely that when the Interplay split off from the deal and said, "Fuck it, well make the system ourselves," they took crippled limbs themselves.
After seeing this video I suddenly remembered a glitch fallout 3 that would put my gun that was in my hands onto the ground but I could still shoot it but only in the direction it was facing and I could blow my own brains out with my own gun.
I think a good fix for the crippled limb system would be a "field surgery" ability like in MGS3. Players could use items in their inventory to help them build splints and makeshift bandages from items with cloth and wood in them. They would be able to run with crippled legs but have a penalty to the stamina bar.
I didn't have the manual, but I figured it out fairly easily. Hmm, I seem to have a crippled leg. Let's see what I can do about that. Here's all my skills. Hmm, which one might be able to fix this..?
Yes but you gotta remeber this is videos games were talking about using a feature from one game can easily lesd to the game being called a rip-off in some type of way
Basically, we need modders to make the fucking game for Bethesda and even then it wouldn't be enough cause fuckmylife why would we want A GOOD FALLOUT FUCKING FUCKFUCKGIGGLEFUCK
Uh, the game wasn't designed for machinama making. Of course you need "modders" to do it. Or you could just figure out how to use the Creation kit yourself, it's one of the easiest modding tools out there.
† The main quest is ok but it just loses the emotional feeling as you take multiple days to complete quests and get from point A to B losing the feeling, if we can make this feeling more measurable such as in Fallout 3 as you spend actual time with your dad and you wanted to know why, if we can capture this feeling in Fallout 4 then the main quest would be much better. I think I know what I just said but just in case the main quest needs more emotion and less time walking from place to place losing emotion. Also Please hunt all the Dolphins they are evil, Don't ask it's from M's mod and I keep dying to dolphins
That’s the problem I have with Fallout 4. They practically removed crippled limbs from the game. New Vegas is more open and empty, but they kept crippled limbs in. The only time that removing it would be a good idea, is if you’re near ground zero, but even then you should stockpile medical equipment anyways.
I actually enjoyed crippled limbs in New Vegas's hardcore mode, it made combat feel more visceral. Nothing like seeing your character, wounded, battered and with a limp leg; still fighting its way down the radioactive streets to reach their objective!
Tbh, even out of hardcore mode getting crippled could fuck you over. The flinch time you had in that game was insanely long. It may have just been me, but I felt like you recovered from crippled limbs much faster in 3. That said, NV is by far my favorite of the Fallout games.
Definitely in the future, have the game in survival mode for crippled limb scenes. In survival, limbs don't heal automatically. Should make your job a bit easier for sure! You will have to have a mod installed that allows you to use the console in survival mode though because naturally it's disabled. I look forward to your next video!
Yeah, but you can increase your health with console commands. If it's the same as Skyrim, the command should be: player.setav health 500 To set your character to 500 health. If not you can boost your health by making your character high level with this command: player.setlevel 500 To make your character level 500. You'd have to play around with it to get the write amount of health to survive, but not too much so that your limbs have too much health.
Todd removed broken limbs for the same reason he removed the skills system, simplified the quests and dialogue, and has a blip show exactly where everything you need is and what to do with it: He doesn't want to slow down the rate at which things blow up. That's why you have to blow up so much stuff to get your shot. Every explosion in your scene makes Todd's dingus tingle a lil.
I can't tell if you're complaining about making a machinima or complaining about the mechanics of the game. If the former, use more console commands... If the latter, they're not removed, they're tied to difficulty settings...
2:10 “you probably realise you can interrupt your character mid-step by simply clicking the left mouse button with the hex cursor in a new spot. This will immediately make your character move towards the new location. Now, if you immediately interrupt your character during a walk, You will do something very similar to the crazy chicken. It's childish. Don't do it. We beg you” - Fallout 1 manual (page 116)
Except there's fucking stimpaks everywhere!! The only time I ever ran out of stimpaks was during my first playthrough when I panicked and used them more often than I really needed. I don't recall my limbs every healing automatically tho. They definitely stuck around for awhile, but I usually used one of the stimpaks to cure it right away, so who knows. It's not stimpaks are hard to find in Fallout 4.
Man I played the first Fallout when it came out and loved it. At the time it was so different from most of the games on the market. The humor, the story, hell even the graphics were pretty good at the time. I still remember when I first played it. It was a demo on a disc that was included with PC Gamer magazine. The demo was set in Junktown and you got to play through part of the quest set there.
The demo was indeed in Junktown, but it wasn't actually in the game universe. It was a situation where there were 2 gangs, one with leather armor and one with metal armor and you had to resolve a conflict between them. Far as I remember you could pick a side and either do it by sneaking around and shit, talking your way through it or fighting for one of the sides or killing both. Yes, I do remember that much of it.
GURPS is a generalised tabletop role play system (one of the oldest about and this system was used as the basis for the original Wasteland and later Fallout 1 and 2 which is why they're so similar!
I think the temporary cripple mechanic is a good way to indicate that you took a bunch of damage and are recovering from the pain. It’s kind of like how anime characters get super hurt then just get up and keep fighting.
Fallout new vegas was annoying when crippled, but in fallout 3, heres a tip for cripples: help Moira. One of her first chapter missions is to injure yourself. Just off the platform, break a leg and talk to moira. The bonus, is after advanced rad poisoning, your limbs will heal themselves automatically. Super useful.
After getting nearly destroyed by the final mission of Broken Steel I decided to buy every Stimpak I could. The highest I had was somewhere from 120-140 Stimpaks.
Or you could have read the damn skills descriptions in the freaking game. Its all in there but it seems people are too used to everything to be given to them on a silver platter. Goddamn it its so annoying
1 items are everywhere 2 you can make ammo 3 caps are easy to get. 4 the enermies are easy. 5 moding are realy broad 6 unlimited leveling 7 you kinda dont nead to *choose* what should i do to get somewhere 8 i actualy rarly got cripled and you can just use one of the 200 stimpaks you have found during the 10 hours to heal. 9 no degration unless its powerarmour 10 powerarmours everywhere
So, somehow i managed to keep the crippled animation after healing, maybe this has something to do with the fact that my limbs healed while i was riding on a vertbird, more precisely the one that goes from the roof of the police station to the prydwen (but i think that any vertbird will do).
I’m pretty sure that a game by the name of Robinson’s Requiem did a broken limb system before Fallout. RR was made in 1994 and FO was made in 1997. That’s a 3 year gap right there. Also a MUCH easier way to cripple the limbs is open the console and type: player.modav (insert left or right)(insert attack or mobility)condition -100.
Why aren't you using the map builder to build custom zones with permanent fire and custom features to get perfect shots? Seriously why are you not modding the game for stuff like this?
A revolutionary idea: Being able to choose if want No Cripple, Auto-heal Cripple (Fallout 4), and Cripple (Pretty much the whole series) all before you start the game (or in-game) while being separate from the main difficulty choices.
Because physical manuals have been moved online, and the reliance on physical manuals is just bad game design. Why look in a physical book for information about a game when you could just look it up? That isn't a sarcastic/rhetorical question either, it literally makes no sense to open a physical copy of something when you can look it up and get the information faster. Take off your nostalgia goggles
1: his comment is 5 months old 2: in the video he explicitly states he was playing the game as if it were 1997...when teh internet was basically a fetus. 3: You're holding a 1997 game to 2018 standards. Providing a physical manual for games back then was absolutely top tier game design, what the fuck are you talking about. It seems to me you missed the entire fucking point of the bit about playing Fallout 1.
Kakyoin the milf hunter Never said it was. I said including a manual that outlines the games mechanics and controls in an age where you couldn't just look anything up online IS good design. Of course, it doesn't actually qualify as 'game design' per say since it's not actually in the game, that was a mistake on my part. But my point still stands in the context of what he was saying.
This was 1996, when games came on CD's and hard drives were smaller than today's average profile pic. Having a giant text document of information about a pretty complex RPG would be a huge waste, both of your already cramped disc space and the users hard drive space. Saying time does not matter is ignoring 20 years of deciding what good game design is. You can't harp on a car from 1950 for having poor fuel economy, that's just not how this works.
Stuff like the crippled limb system being permanent should have been left in. Yet another victim of the RPG simplification trend that Bethesda has been following, and I sincerely hope they knock it the fuck off. :(
And look where that got them... They made a bunch of sales, sure. But they didn't impress both their long-time fans and newcomers like FO3 did, and they didn't make a million+ of diehard fans like NV did. But that's AAA games nowadays I guess, sacrificing depth for a nicer looking quarterly report.
Very late, i know, since I just got recommended this video but... There *IS* a video game that had a crippled limb system before Fallout. Elvira 2 at least, which was in 1990. Fallout was released in 1997. Though it functioned somewhat differently for the head and torso, since your effective HP was determined by the combined HP of all your limbs and torso... but your torso and head were your "true" health, since allowing either to reach zero kills you. But crippling both arms prevents you from manipulating any object in the world. I never did find out if crippling the legs effectively softlocked you by denying movement though. Of course, there were so many insta-kills that it rarely mattered. And most attacks that don't insta-kill you attack the torso or head most often. Plus there are several traps (The piranha tank and the guillotine hand trap) that instantly cripple an arm rather than outright kill, but typically they are either obvious or your other hand often survives and lets you mend it... unless you're very eager to give the piranhas dinner.
