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My theory on why Cooper didnt want to do the thumbs up is because he knows the truth since this takes place AFTER episode 8. Before when posing for Vault-tech, he was ok with the thumbs up but after he learns the truth of Vault-Tech...
Those two guys say why is he doing kids birthdays alimony which means he's paying his wife money an probly working while he's having a visit from his child. But why would his wife let the bombs fall while her daughter was out there.
@@LynnieFleegleJr she didn’t have control over anything she was trying to get them secured into a good vault that didn’t mean she controlled the nukes, she’s just a talking head in my opinion.
@@VeggieAndSomeReggie agreed. She put forth that idea in the council meeting at the behest of someone else (someone’s always behind the wheel). She was a mouthpiece for whoever was pulling the strings.
I have to point it out. When Lucy says she's not very good at riflery it cuts to her target where she has an insane grouping considering she is firing an automatic weapon. Add to that the accuracy with which she shoots throughout the series and you essentially have a naive girl, taught not to use violence being very very good at violence. And as her character evolves she begins understanding the world better and understands that violence is necessary. The culmination of this concept comes when Lucy kills the ghoul that was her mother. Lucy best exemplifies the player character because the player character is generally from a vault and is forced into violence because they wandered into the real world. Lucy is literally every new Fallout player. A babe in the woods. Until she levels up...
I agree. I saw that grouping and I thought she was downplaying her shooting skills because she was perhaps embarrassed that she had become this good at a skill that their vault culture would have looked down on.
@@RobRoss I've been around firearms my whole life and I am a U.S. Army Veteran. Give me any weapon and I can use it. But give me a full rock and roll, there is no way in hell I could put together a grouping that tight. Semi-auto, revolvers, lever, pump, Yes. An infantry unit I served with in Afghan actually gave me props because they let me fire a 50 BMG and I nailed the target. I was an IT specialist 25B. They were crazy impressed. Lol computer nerd can shoot!
@@AlIguana Then where was the animation? The sound effect? I think she was being humble, because that is how her character is. Humble and naive. On top of that, you can't target inanimate objects in VATS. Only living targets.
Question is how it got down there. Not from the outside, as the vault seals were still intact. My guess is that somebody from Vault 32 figured out what Vault 31 was and started talking, so the "overseer" of Vault 31 released the blight into Vault 32 to silence them.
@@skeven0 I could see him as a manager at the crimson caravan company out in Vegas, maybe held at gunpoint by the ghoul and Lucy as they try to find their bearings in vegas. That would be a fun call back to butch in fallout 1
It's not that big of a stretch to say that "Prydwyn" is actually a CLASS of airship and they just called it that in Boston because it's the only one they had available at that time. If I remember right, both 2 and Tactics (which is still PARTIALLY canon but they now cherry pick certain parts of Tactics to be canon) there were OTHER airships. Very likely the Brotherhood would reclaim and try to restore them, just a good investment for them.
@@harvesterofeyes8813 True, I LOVE the idea of Maxson's chapter coming to the West Coast. I really want them to write in some cultural differences between the Chapters. Maybe suggest they do some things slightly differently.
@@Jessethoth Agree. It would be interesting to see how well or not the two chapters get along considering the East Coast chapter will dominate the much weaker West coast chapter.
The 2 episodes with Buds buds if you have subtitles on. When you see the robo brain and he speaks the subtitles name the character (brain-on-a-roonba).
The ghoul has a very similar background to the main character in fallout 4. Been in combat, had a family and kid, and I hope that his kid is at least still alive and perfectly fine. We don’t really know exactly if the ghoul spent time in a vault at all I can’t wait to see what happens. Especially in NV. He also shares a lot of similarities to the vault Tec rep maybe he got left out or not allowed in when it was time for the bombs, they just used him for their own good.
I'm assuming both his wife and kid are either in vault 31 or in a vault in new Vegas. Coz hank goes there and said something about seeing those in charge. She was definitely in charge
Was his daughter not with him when the bombs fell though? In order for his daughter to be with his wife in a vault, he would have to have ridden his horse to the vault where upon they opened the door specifically to allow his daughter in, while preventing him from entering. Would they be able to override the doors so soon after the bombs fell? It confused me slightly when the Ghoul asked Hank where is 'family' was? I have to presume that his daughter died, or was ghoulified and became feral. His wife, one would imagine, is going to be found in New Vegas, though, perhaps the Ghouls story through however many series this runs for, will be about finding his wife.
@@scottw.3258 I'm thinking when he knew everything he confronted his wife leading to the divorce and the bombs where dropped somewhat prematurely for her, so her daughter wasnt with her. I'm thinking somehow he knew where to go and it was close. They knocked him. Out and locked him out after, maybe because of radiation. That's why he survived the early stuff coz he became a ghoul, otherwise why would he ask about his family? Like you say, he didnt say his wife but family. That makes me think she lived
Former Marine, MOS...5711 (N.B.C.), Nuke, Bio, Chem defense specialist. We were taught the "Thumbs Up", not to determine if we should run or not, but to try and judge (guesstimate) the distance of the blast without going blind. I would then head into the area to set up decontamination areas. The creators of Fallout 1 did not realize, it seems, that the military did in fact use the Thumbs Up. edit...there were times and places where I did teach peaple when best to run. Being stationed on Okinawa my class usually had me teach "Kiss your Azz goodbye because, on an island, there's no where to run".
Also former 5711 here. I wonder when you were in? 2012-2018 here, I assume you were before that due to saying NBC instead of CBRN lol. We were never taught anything about holding up the thumb for anything. For distance we would use flash to bang time. We would then combine that woth cloud height to estimate payload. Then we could plot and advise accordingly. I wonder of what you were taught was actually in the manual back in the day, or just something one of the instructors was putting out there. I think one of the CWOs I worked with that had been in operation Tomodachi and had said something about being taught to use the thumb ad well. Kinda crazy to think of the small differences a few years can make on SOP.
@@aaronjenkins223 i served 87-91. And a lot of what I taught and was taught was rather unconventional, due to being on an island. Most of what is taught goes under the assumption you are on a continent. What works for Nebraska does not work for Manhattan. We did use flash to bang to judge distance. But, as i said my job had us going toward the blast. We had to know about where it was. We also had to figure out the cone of contamination where fallout would be, air speed and direction, loads od semi technical stuff. I remeber my warrent Officer telling us to look for the blast, but not at it. Told us to use something, like a thumb or finger, to cover the blast, to keep from going blind, but to as accurate as possible, determine where the blast was. edit...i should also state as part of my job, on an island, was to decon our remaining forces to continue the fight if possiable. But in the end, we all would suffer from radiation poisoning. That was a fact.
@@aaronjenkins223 For me, the term was N.B.C. and I remember in the early Nineties when I encountered a newbie who said C.B.R.N. and I had that classic "...the _what_ ?" response.
My interpretation of the “Thumbs Up” is that it wasn’t a common hand sign in their alternate cultural timeline. If Howard learned it as a military technique, (and I have no reason to believe otherwise,) then it was Howard who introduced the “thumbs up” into the culture of the Fallout universe. And as a marketing slogan, it just means “everything is ok”, as it means to us in our real world.
The scene where Maximus comes out of a fridge could also reference the Billy quest from Fallout 4. Not only that, the Prydwen appearing on the show makes the brotherhood ending (or any ending that involves the brotherhood surviving) cannon in Fallout 4. On a side note, it made me really happy to see Mr. House in the show, making New Vegas finally cannon.
The car shown on the television at the start is the shown but never seen in game blue zip, which uses the same advert as seen in billboards across the commonwealth and far harbour!
Maybe an AI was in control of synchronizing launches for them, and launched too early, or someone accidentally hit the launch button, we’ll probably see in season 2
We don't even know if Vault-tec launched the bombs let alone who in Vault-Tec done it. We only know that Vault-tec planned to launch them. We don't know if they succeeded in doing that or someone else beat them to it.
I’m Not into every Inch Of FO lore But I have played the Games All of the Console releases at least. The Show Imo is Great I got my GF who knows NOTHING about FallOut Begging me not to Watch without her. That should say A lot being she’s not a Gamer , Never Played Or Does she know anything about The FO universe Yet she wants to Watch every episode with Me. TY fallout For Bringing People together and Entertaining Us
The refrigerator reference is also part of fallout 4 as well. I remember there was an encounter that prompts the player to let the goul kid out of a refrigerator and take him to his parts too.
You missed that the unlock code that Hank MacLean uses in the last episode is 101097, the date Fallout 1 was released. Also there's a reference to "A Boy and His Dog". The movie of which (it's a book by Harlan Ellison too) was one of the inspirations for Fallout.
i would not really say the blight is a reference to other fallout games. ''Blight is a rapid and complete chlorosis, browning, then death of plant tissues such as leaves, branches, twigs, or floral organs''
Yeah her role is still quite unclear, probably her defection in the 2070’s was known but Hank never actually met her. I’m hoping she gets fleshed out more via flashback in the next season.
She went under Williams in 2077 and probably assumed dead since then. Hank might not have seen her when grabbing his kids from Shady Sands and her name came from rising up from the boom
There is another possible explanation for the airship, but it might be a stretch: It could be that the East Coast Brotherhood has developed more models of aerial vehicles since FO4. So, this could simply be what they call a Prydwen *class* airship that happens to be named the Caswennan. We won't know for sure until later seasons/games (if ever), but its still a possibility.
that's a good point! i think it is the prydwen given the similarity between the in-game and in-show designs, but i don't deny they were able to build more. might be tough though given limited resources
@LoneVaultWanderer Yeah. . .thus why I mentioned it would be a bit of a stretch. 😅 Either way, it'll be interesting! (And thanks a bunch for being open-minded about it. 🫶)
I love the series. The production team did a great job with the set and props. You can tell Bethesda worked hand in hand with them in the little details. For instance, in ep1, as they prep the picnic tables for the wedding celebration, they adorn them with flower arrangements. The flowers are placed in what appears to be used aluminum cans, the same you collect as junk all over the wasteland.
I think until time of TV series West Coast Brotherhood had only T-45 and T-51 in use, Prydwen's arrival brings T-60 for first time into use to West coast, hence everyone is in awe of them. I think that color of insignia on armor is rather marking of regiment rather than chapter.
@@LoneVaultWanderer that works yeah, they could have prewar books about the brand new (at the time of the nukes dropping) T-60, but they obviously don’t have a suit themselves until the east coast chapter brings it
4:00 The thumbs up actually has roots in what is actually taught to people. FEMA has a Unit4 paper for nuclear threat that measure the cloud to your thumb and the indicates number of days for radiation to travel.
Coop does a different thumbs up than the vault boy does. I don't think his intention was the nuclear thumb test thing, at the photo shoot, as he holds his thumb in near his chest, where he can't look through it. But his reasoning for not wanting to do it, later in his personal story, is clearly Vault-tec related, despite his explanation to his daughter being practical in nature. He doesn't want to do it, because it became the symbol of something he hates.
On the one hand the jet should’ve given the raider time to escape the vault door closing on him but on the other hand I would have liked to have had a scene like from Dredd where he got squashed by the door in slo mo.
The way I play 4, if Maxson is left alive, he'd best be heading west away from my Commonwealth. :) Kid in the Fridge is a fallout 4 mission, with literally a child ghoul in the fridge to escort to his ghoul parents nearby. Obviously both are refs to Indy but it's in Fo4 almost exactly. Definitely a Tesla magazine, y'need to freezeframe better :D
The Prydwen was built in 2 years. The show takes place 9 years after Fallout 4. The Prydwen being in the show doesn't canonize any endings for Fo4, because there is plenty of time between the two for the BoS in the Capital wastes to rebuild the Prydwen if the Sole Survivor blew it up in Fo4.
@@youngnat really? I always thought it was Binary lol but I also haven’t gone through the Brotherhood line in a very long time thanks for letting me know
Great video as well as the episode breakdowns as well. I have a random bit of trivia that maybe unrelated but I will toss it out anyway. Max was the name of one of the pre-gen characters from Fallout 1. So when folks call Maximus by Max later on I remembered this little tidbit.
Anyone noticed that the Galaxy News earth and spaceship logo in the Cooper vault-tec commercial is actually the logo of Interplay, the publisher for Fallout 1 and 2? :)
You should do an episode entirely on ma's shop. I think her store actually has every fo reference, i think if you look hard you can find a pip boy 2000. A random nongame reference: did you know Fallout references the town Lewiston, Maine? When Ma tells her partner to go find the metal boot for the scientist, she says "it's under the defibrillators." Defibrillators were originally invented by someone from Lewiston ME, i was a resident of it :D
Not a reference to the _Fallout_ games, but the cryo-chamber in Vault 31 looks eerily similar to the cryo-chamber onboard the _Hope_ in _The Outer Worlds._ Especially the way it’s shot.
I don’t know if he mentioned this in the video or if anyone else has the goul actually says an Easter egg when Lucy was looking for water he says “ and not a drop to drink” which I’m sure is a small reference to the challenge in new Vegas called “ and not a drop to drink “
To the people in the comments who are debating the easter egg of Billy/Maximus. That's not my debate my debate is how the fuck MAXIMUS SURVIVED...watch th episode where he steps out the Fridge theres a whole open back with a lil Fan. 😂 The fridge wasn't completely sealed he should have gotten fried. BUT I CAN HEAR/IMAGINE THE SMART ASS SAYING THE BACK COULD OF BEEN COVERED MAYBE IT WAS BLOWN OFF AFTER THE BLAST...YEAH OKAY.... Billy/Maximus or whoever looking at THAT PARTICULAR FRIDGE? that's a whole ass BBQ Smoker with a nice lil Vent and Fan. You think wind let alone wind from a blast aint gonna start that smoker up just right for some what the show call it??? BOOTY JERKY??? 😂😂😂 HELL NAW! couldn't be me...i could see Diddy as a ghoul though roaming the waste land for Booty Jerky 💯
Am I crazy, or: in the first shot of the Ghoul intro scene, when the guard is shot by the baby doll from the Junk Jet, does the building behind him look JUST LIKE the Castle from Fallout 4? And I know the Castle is located in Boston, so maybe it’s just an easter egg or just my imagination, but damn, it really looked Castle-y right down to the big white bricks
Might be a longshot, but Cooper Howard can be also be named after Kyle Maclachlann's character in Twin Peaks ( Special Agent Dale Cooper) where he helps out a Sheriff in a small town
I don’t know if it’s intentional, but the Lucy character seems to be a facsimile of the game main characters if you were to choose the “good deed” options. Pretty neat and long overdue in a screen adaptation “*cough*halo*cough*”
There was a random encounter I don't remember if it was 76 or 4 but there is a missing kid you you find hidden and stuck in a fridge and you send him home.
***LATE SEASON SPOILER*** Hank didn't question Lee saying the crops were impacted by blight (even though it was impossible) because he recognised her as one of Bud's Buds, that would explain how she came to the future in the first place. He expected her to manufacture a plight to ensure her victory in the election.
15:00 The refrigerator is seen in Fallout 4 as well. Only this time it involves a family of ghouls. The son hid inside the one he is found in when the bombs dropped. For some reason the door had a locking mechanism and it locked him inside. For 210 years he was trapped inside until the Sole Survivor unlocks the door and lets him out. His parents are nearby and are not very concerned that he has been 'lost' for all this time. Also, with the reveal that the airship is, indeed, the Prydwyn, the producers have actually revealed which of the timelines that they have chosen to be canon in Fallout 4. I do not have any experience with the endings, myself, other than the ending involving siding with the Institute.
It’s highly possible that Blake is a reference to the In game consumable but I’d say more than likely it’s just a reference to the real world fungal disease that can affect crops
Regarding the blight: Anybody with their wits about them would have realized that if the vaults seals were intact, the blight would have never had a chance to make it into Vault 32.
I'm curious, because Fallout TV series has the same setting as Fallout 1 and Fallout 2. Because they show that Sandy Sand is there. But what about Arroyo, Vault 13, etc?
regarding the fridge, I believe it is a tribute to Indy, but did you know a fridge was originally going to be the way Marty McFly travelled through time in Back To The Future? The original script had him in a fridge when a nuke went off, but it was changed when they realised that kids may try to emulate it
I may be wrong, but I believe that when they first enter the town, before heading to the store, there is a guy in the background reading a Nuka Cola World Map.
In fallout four you find a kid in a refrigerator Ağgül in a refrigerator and you have to help him find his way back to his parents or sell him to slavers.
I just wish it explained the brother hood better for people who didn’t play the game. Especially since it’s pretty deep lore and explains a lot of their battle between the enclave
I love the compromise about the whole Vault Boy thumbs up thing. Even when they confirm the theory seemingly against the original devs' wishes, they still do it in a respectful way. _Vault-Tec_ likely never thought about it when using the mascot and just used it as a sign that things are ok, but as the actual person who came up with the idea, Cooper goes on to regret doing it after realizing what Vault Tec was up to
When the person who creates an image says it means one thing, and the person who bought the rights to the image (but didn't create it) says it means something else, the person who created it wins.
you missed nolan introducing the 3 characters similar to the way as 'the Good the Bad and the Ugly' characters are introduced with with short sequence and lable/name. also flags are east coast BOS colors. Dont forget west coast had created advanced post war power power armors from tech they took from enclave and redesigned themselves, which tod has never shown or mentioned with the advanced PA Midwest used. (first dude saying mid west chapter isn't cannon... gets a punch in the D*ck) also Shady Sands wasn't in the Bone Yard (L.A.) the way its shown in the TV show and that name boneyard and its numerous town inside it isn't even referenced.
If, as alluded to by the appearance of Prydwen in the show, would imply either a BoS victory or a "good" FO4 ending in the Commonwealth is the canon result. As did @amandadadesky5192, I thought perhaps it was a class of airship. However, that while the US Navy has a dozen Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, they are all uniquely named, and that name is what appears on the stern's nameplate. So, if that custom were preserved, the airship would be the actual Prydwen.
