Fan Theories #5 : The Doctor's, The Valeyard & His Black Scrolls 

*_IMPORTANT NOTE : Please read before commenting_* To address a couple of commonly raised points : Point : The origins of The Valeyard are revealed in The Last Adventure story The Brink Of Death Response : Whilst there is a scene in which the character of Genesta says The Valeyard was created by the CIA, iin her final encounter with The Sixth Doctor in that story it is revealed that it is actually The Valeyard in disguise as her. It is also left deliberately ambiguous whether she ever actually existed or was always The Valeyard in disguise from the very beginning, as such like the events of Trial Of The Valeyard, whilst there may be some truth to it, it cannot be confirmed to be his true origins. Point : The Valeyard was created in the story The War Valeyard Response : As the the events of The War Valeyard reveal, the story takes place in The Valeyard's personal future AFTER his creation, & at the time of writing it is possibly the last known chronological appearance of him within the narrative universe. Point : The Meta-Crisis Doctor Is The Valeyard : Response : Firstly RTD has confirmed he's not The Valeyard or will ever become The Valeyard Secondly whilst he has the appearance and mind of The Tenth Doctor he is human in body with a finite human lifespan, he has no capacity to regenerate and as he says he will grow old and die. Whilst many fans also say it's possible he could leave the alternate universe, somehow get regenerations and change his face, there is LITERALLY nothing that suggests that's possible and given the on-screen evidence it is extremely unlikely that would ever happen. Whilst there is a deleted scene in which the Meta-Crisis Doctor receives a bit of TARDIS coral in order to grow his own, it was removed because it over-complicated the ending of Journey's End and (although RTD says he likes to imagine it still happened) it is generally seen as non-canon for this reason. Lastly in the comic The Forgotten, the Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor appears and claim to be The Valeyard however The Doctor immediately says this is impossible and discredits this, at which point it is revealed that The Meta-Crisis Doctor seen is actually a form taken by a mental parasite that is attacking The Doctor, with the events of the comic taking place inside the head of the unconscious Tenth Doctor in his TARDIS. As such whilst many people still believe it, there is nothing that suggests or even hints this is true within the narrative canon. For those interested in learning more about The Valeyard, he has been subject to a video in my "A Brief History" series which you can see here : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-to0TQ9xXB58.html

Interesting theory. The Valeyard is quite an interesting villain and it would be a bit of a shame if we don't see him again.

On Day of the Doctor: "Calling on all of his incarnations, including a future one." Now, I'm not up to date with all the fan theories out there, but did Eleven really call Twelve? DotD is in his past, he should remember having been there as Eleven, and could decide on his own to lend a hand in trying to save Gallifrey. His next incarnation in turn will remember Heaven Sent/Hell Bent and know that it worked, and so not see any need to go there again - hence no "all fourteen".

I didn't think about Ten doing anything "hush-hush"; never mind Eleven. I always thought the Valeyard was just a deposit of all evil thoughts, actions, and deviations of the Doctor; sort of like a representation of all evil things that want to be tangible. But this is definitely something I didn't think about.

Brilliant theory! I really want the Valeyard to return on TV or in more Big Finish because he is such a great character. I can't wait for the Next theory, Torchwood eh?… should be fantastic!

I like to think the valeyard is meta-crisis ten after he has lost rose somehow- going on a rampage in his grief

awesome theory, I always assumed 11 got desparate on Trenzalore and made the Valeyard by accident, sometime after his brief meeting with Clara where they discuss his regenerations. Also, for the Torchwood mention, I like to think the resurrection glove was made and owned by Rassilon, as it's similar to the glove he wore during End of Time and Hell bent.

Not sure I quite believe that he was working on the scrolls after Angels Take Manhatten as that loss didn't really lead to thinking bout how to stay alive after number 12, makes sense with 10 coz he recently wasted a life and is a lot closer to the end than he first thought, plus he's incredibly vain and probably believed he deserved more life, something likely to filter out when he becomes 11 as he's less vain and arrogant

To be honest I always thought that the Valeyard was created by 11 on Trenzalore (very unlikely but interesting to think about)

I'm just discovering your channel and I'm really enjoying it so far. However, I personally think the Valeyard's consciousness started to grow in the Doctor's mind earlier than that. I'm one of those who believes the Morbius' faces are actual previous Doctor (the audio Cold Fusion makes me believe that even more). Initially, the 5th Doctor was supposed to be the last one, which is hinted as his last sentence is something like: "So this is death? It feels different this time...". The 8 faces from Morbius would have make the 5th Doctor the final incarnation of his cycle (as he would have regenerated 12 times already), which would have (in my theory) been expanded by The Watcher fusing with the 4th Doctor when he regenerated. He would have naturally forgotten about this, and about his lives previous to the 1st Doctor right after this regeneration. So The Valeyard, in my theory, started to "be" when the 5th Doctor started to be. He was the initial 12th incarnation of the Doctor, tho maybe the actual 5th Doctor (the 8 faces from Morbius may not have been Doctors, kinda like John Hurt his The Warrior and not The Doctor). Well, that's my theory anyway :P

As someone who greatly enjoyed Trial of the Valeyard, it was great to see someone use this audio to creatie a new explanation for his origins. I personally prefer the Valeyard to be a mysterious future incarnation.

it's like he doesn't remember what happened to the master when broke the Regeneration limit

The big villains tend to have been wasted in New Who, so I'm torn on whether I'd like to see the Valeyard return or not.

love your channel dude great when people talk about mysteries and theory's. loving the content keep up the good work dude.

A good theory, CJP! I reckon we'll be seeing The Valeyard's origins in the show soon enough, and if it was revealed he'd been slowly built up since 'The Stolen Earth', that'd be fantastic!

Brilliant! I share your thoughts, but I think he might have continued his experiments on Trenzalore, towards the end of his life, and accidentally created the Valeyard, who then somehow made it to the past of Gallifrey by means of the crack. The Doctor, after seeing what he'd done, would finally have discontinued his experiments. Would be fun if BF explored this.

Cheers mate! Good stuff right here

My little theory is like a few others only it has The Metacrisis Doctor on Pete's world losing Rose and all the others he cared for, having such hurt caused to him He uses that Universe's Torchwood to find That Gallifrey upon returning there to that Dead World the Doctor snapped found a dying T.A.R.D.I.S. and travelled back along his timelime to 6 and The Trial.

I always liked the idea that the meta crisis doctor is the valeyard.

Ooooor... he’s the meta crisis doctor

I thought it was literally somewhere between the 12th and final, so.. 12.5. RTD said the metacrisis doctor would never become the valeyard anyway, they did a comic version where the tardis matrix showed him as the valeyard, but they even said in the comic that he wouldnt become him.

Will we get an evil incarnation of the doctor by the name of the Valeyard one day and our future.His name was mentioned by the great intelligence.

Some people think the Meta crisis Doctor could be the Valeyard. But since he only has one heart and can't regenerate and can grow old. I doubt this. Plus this version got to live his life out with Rose.

I have a theory for you. What if doctor 10 1/2 Is the Valeyard? He did cause the genocide of the Daleks. That's alone is pretty dark. Also, he says he only had one life. But we're not sure of that. He could've had his life with Rose but her eventual death could've pushed him over the edge. Thinking he's dying of old age only to regenerate & start the black scrolls because he was unsure of how many lives he had? Just throwing it out. Great video.

Is it really fair to count 10ths part regeneration as another incarnation? It used up a regeneration yes, but it's still the same incarnation I do agree the birth of the Valeyard started around this time though

What if the Valeyard isn't an actual incarnation of the Doctor, but a litetal amalgamation of the Doctor's more evil side. Perhaps somehow, either by the macinations of some alien force or by the Doctor's own attempt of preventing the Valeyard's arrival, the Doctor's worst attributes are extracted from him and form the Valeyard. This would make the Valeyard a sort of incarnation of the Doctor but also his own entity, a Mr. Hyde with his own body if you will. Granted the Doctor may become more like the Valeyard as his incarnations go about, but this may be a motivation to attempt and stop it and in turn inadvertently create the Valeyard. Though with the way the show is going as of late, we may be in for a long wait for this to happen.

I can't remember if I've lost this video from you, or whether it was you or not, but I also remember a theory about a connection between the Valeyard, the Metacrisis Doctor, and the Cushing Doctor. Not sure if this was you, or if not whether you remember a video like this?

correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't the dream lord also recieve the actual name of Valeyard somewhere along the episode?

Interesting theory ; the valeyard is an interesting developement/character in Doctor Who I keep wondering when we will see him and when he is created and how? the black scrolls are suggested in Trial of the Valeyard a good Big Finish story although mostly fiction this could have some truth to it . but definitely check out the Trial of the Valeyard if u get a chance .

Inresting teories.

But the doctor has a new set of regenerations

cool video mate

What did the sorry about this say? It was too small and hard to read. Was it very important to the video? Great video. I love this story. Keep up the great work

Cool vid, but I just would have gone with the Hand Doctor. I.E. the one made with that regen that made 2 tens as the second one being the Valeyard. Maybe Rose dies and he goes off the deep end. He has a bit of Donna in him so that should slow it, but his link to humanity is Rose Tyler. And he was acting super dark in that story before Donna saves every one with her Time lord knowledge before the Doctor makes her forget to save her life. Though in the end if time we see she still has some powers left ware when confronted by Master er clones she sends out some sort of mind wave. And way. What if the Hand Doctor or 10th 2.0 is the Valeyard. He is the same DNA as the Doctor. Made from the Doctors severed hand. It's a bit Evil dead as the one sepreat becomes the villain, but who knows. If in the other world Rose dies and 10th 2.0 finds a way back to this universe. And wants revenge. Maybe he regens into the form we know as the Valeyard?

I don't understand how Big Finish can set up classic Doctors with new monsters which they've done . , because how can the Doctor be suprised in new who for a new monster when he's already met them . Maybe it explains this but I have'nt got round to those stories yet in Big Finish usually a pretty brilliant outlet for Doctor Who

Very nice theory

do you mind if I use this theory idea in a story please? I promise to credit you.

If it turned out that Ruth was the Valeyard. I would be fine with that. Some people can't fathom how that would be possible. But reading your pinned comment, it seems you are aware of a way.

My theory is the valeyard is the second incarnation of the meta crisis Doctor (mainly due to having two actors) Sometime after Rose dies Meta10 on the brink of death fines a way to the main universe & steals enough regeneration energy to become The Valeyard.

What are the Black Scrolls?

question why would the doctor need the black scrolls if he apparently the timeless child (hate the episode and concept)

Meta-Crisis Tenth Doctor is the Valeyard

1:35 which is 10th doctor and onward

Technically the 11th Doctor is the 12th incarnation as the 10th Doctor is still just one incarnation despite using up a regeneration.

I was thinking it could be the metacrisis doctor. What if when rose dies and is suposed to age and die he regenerates and he only thought he was half human somehow and so losing rose and having a tardis grown (deleted scene) he decides to travel to our universe and works on the black scrolls.