Fans Call Diarmuid A BUDGET Cu Chulainn ?? 

Yeah right? Inclusive as a Spectator or from the view of the characters, its like Oh cool they made a truce, this gonna be interesting **Things happended** oh they are all dead Bruh

the meme culture went too far a lot of times and a lot of people use memes as fact nowadays

not enkidu, percival and lion king though so it aint all bad

I think my allegiance is with the Archer class, but I do sympathize with the plight of you Lancers, the story doesn't do you any favors

@@jonnymarcia4403 Lion King is a saber face so they’re exempt from that treatment in my opinion

@@jonnymarcia4403 I feel like enkidu was explicitly shafted in Babylon

@@jsansdream6860 im referring to Strange Fake

It's kinda boring, and how it was portrayed was kinda bad. For example, while Siegfried was very similar in his disposition in following his Master's order, he still had his own will, when he saved Sieg. Diarmuid however showed that he was willing to allow Waver (who was introduced as one of the underdogs and everyone loves underdogs) to be tortured. Now if he had at least offered protests or threatened Kayneth then he would be much better liked.

I remember a post on Pinterest which basically gave this argument and my response was that these two outcomes are kinda hard-wired into their spirit origins due to how they met their end in life. Diarmuid is fated to be betrayed by his master and die a miserable death while Cu is fated to die but avenge himself on his killer. It's only natural that history would repeat itself when they are put in those circumstances as Servants.

@@kylepessell1350 it definitely is the circumstances of fate, pretty usual for mythological beings and how fate can screw you over. I just find it interesting that at least for Diarmuid, the circumstance of his fate kind of makes him appear "lesser" in the eyes of fans, if that makes sense. Diarmuid's loyalty was/is never rewarded and Cu was always more of a go-getter. I always figured that was just something the fanbase or people in general valued more.

@@alxandernero I've never viewed him as lesser at all, just different. Diarmuid does actually have a lot on Cu in terms of being heroic in the modern sense due to his more admirable knightly ideals. Cu might have more feats (basically the Irish version of Heracles) but his inspiration on a classic Greek hero also means that he has a number of issues with personality flaws similarly to them.

@@kylepessell1350 didn't want to imply that you did, just lamenting that the fanbase to an extent will look at feats and more favorable qualities that Cu has, that would make Diarmuid have less "value" in comparison.

It’s kind of similar to the idea of chivalry with the tales of Camelot taking a hit with the world wars that happened. I know there are other times that could hurt the chivalry but from what I know so far that’s what really hurt the idea of chivalry.

Cu also screwed up hard, killing the dog and then his son. Though its not like Cu could actually prepare for it either. he was stabbed in the heart. Cu suprised his master and shinji.

@@LifenKnight Keep in mind that Cu died fighting off an entire army by himself and even when mortally wounded he tied his body to a stone so that his corpse could intimidate them to buy as much time as possible. When an enemy came to check, his arm still gripped his sword so tightly that it managed to cut off their arm when they tried to untie him. This is what earned him his Guts skill and hard-wired an ability to avenge his own death onto his Spirit Origin. If they knew more about Cu's lore then they wouldn't have been so surprised by what he did.

​@@kylepessell1350It's also difference in specs and natural talent. Cu was a demigod born from Lugh the celtic chief god and his mother also had some divine heritage. It's not an understatement to say he's Irish Heracles and he should really possess A ranked Divinity . Diarmuid by comparison was born from the god of underworld and doesn't even posses the divinity skill for some reason.

​@@kylepessell1350 He used his intestines to tie himself standing too...that's why he is worthy to be called a GUTS user

@@CoFF3e_Man Only four Servants officially have higher ranked Battle Continuation than Cu does: Old Man of the Mountain (EX), Miyamoto Musashi (EX), Alcides (A+), and Shuten-Douji (A+).

When my Brother first watched Fate/Zero I quickly informed him that there are clear inspirations from Berserk in Nasu's work, and one of the things he actually said was that in berserk curses hold actual power and gravity, so when Diarmuid cursed the grail the war and those that sullied his honor they were all met with disaster. Kayneth and his fiance both died immediately after being rendered helpless and harmless, maiya was murdered by berserker, iri was killed and went into the mind-fuck that was the grail process, Saber was forced to confront and kill her best friemd driven insane by the guilt of his crimes, and Kiritsugu lost everything that he had as the city was engulfed in flames by his own hand, and forced to pick up whatever pieces he could to save hinself and just one person

Knock off Lincoln LMAO

The fact that you don’t see parallels in their death and implications behind it based on their characterization is also kinda dumb

It's crazy how accurate this is because diarmuid even in lore is known for his superhuman speed and mobility, it was said that he could jump and leap from a mountain tip to another.

Yet Diarmuid isn't faster than Cu

@@jirenjoestar3665 He is though

@@knightofthelake8112 he might be faster but not a better warrior cu is the the greatest his superhuman strength matched with his uncontrollable rage and iron will made him the unstoppable force that he was on the battlefield

@@knightofthelake8112 He’s not

but battle continuation is useless on gae buidhe

I think they both are great and very much so capable in their own aspects. Let’s break this down. When Cu was given the order, he refused to go down because there was something he needed to accomplish before he died (which was to save Tohsaka). So even tho Cu knew his death was inevitable, he chose to will power it through until he saved Tohsaka. However, when Diarmuid ended himself, he knew his death was inevitable but he had no will to stay anchored, no attachments, no obligations before he returned to the throne. If he did, I’m sure he would have went down much more gallantly. He chose to curse the grail instead which foreshadowed the dark premonition revealed during the final events of zero.

Caster Cu

Caster cu

Caster Cu in fgo is not technically Cu but he will be counted as one, my money is on Diarmud

Saber Diarmuid

Saber diarmuid literally defeated shadow Musashi and the king of fairies abarthach who is stronger than yagyuu, I would put my money on him any day of the week.

Stab himself and got right back up, killed his master because he was gonna kill Rin, stabbed shinji which scared him off, saved Rin. I actually don't think it has about revenge at all. I think saving Rin was his main reason for killing his master.

​@@LifenKnight Honestly, the way he stabbed Shinji looked more like a jab. Then again, Shinji goes flying after only getting a love tap to the face, so I guess that makes sense.

I prefer cu over diarmuid, but it is disrespectful calling him a budget Cu. I can’t even say that in terms of appearances as while there’s similarities, there’s still a good difference.

@@MusicFan752 nah i was literally confused when i watched it, not gonna lie. and no quests asked, cu NP alone should make him stronger. its an NP which doesn't care about durability.

I considered this but he earned the right have that skill from his myth. He solo'd armies casually. Counting it against him wouldn't make any sense.

@@TsiahIV Oh I'm not counting it against Cu, im a tier 3 sub simp for cu, just sayin it for the ppl trying to compare based on what they did after they unexisted themselves

And also in the end cursed arm have taken the kill meanwhile i am doubtful for hundred faced

What are you saying i didnt understand entirely but if you meant Cursed hassan should use clone against cu he cant he has only zabania he cant clone himself Thats hundred persona's power

@@tamamtamam8646 in fact i have said that cursed arm hassan could'nt clone himself but in the end he killed cu meanwhile i am very doubtful that hundred face could kill cu since gae bolg is a anty army np and cu is know for have slaughtered army alone

@@tamamtamam8646 My point was more or less that a lot of these arguments just seem to compare things to each other that are not in any way comparable. I don't know that anyone would say that Cursed Arm should clone himself the way Hundred Faced would but in the event they would, it would be a pointless thing to suggest for the simple fact that Cursed Arm and Hundred Faced are completely different from each other apart from being Hasans so a tactic that would work for one probably wouldn't work for the other. Similarly, comparing characters that have completely different personalities, motivations, experiences, and situations and saying that they should've behaved the same is just asinine.

@@pwndulquiorra yes your precisly right People made me sick trashtalking to diarmuid He got betrayed and was loyal Cu was just baddas warrior and porbably he never trusted to kirei Diarmuid isnt one of my Favorite characters but he is well deigned and respectable character

gae daerg is the red spear that nullify any magic defense

That's just how it goes. Repeat a joke long enough, and people take it as actual criticism. The once you point out the flaws in the criticism, it reverts back to "it's just a joke, stop taking it seriously".

I like the idea of him coming back as Avenger since he always gets betrayed and it could mess his spirit's origin up. But I could only imagine for now xD

And being irish.

​@@monoteozin and getting screwed by the plot but that's pretty much all lancers

And having a cursed spear that inflicts wounds that don't heal

You guys are in fact right. I neglected to mention those other similarities. I just think he deserves more respect, especially considering how he could’ve won against Artoria, while Cu could barely keep up. In the end it all comes down to who you prefer. I myself prefer Cu, but Diarmuid deserves his credit where it’s due.

@@Ultimaxum17x Entirely fair

People forget, Cú is considered equal to King Arthur and Heracles when he’s summoned anywhere outside of Japan. This pretty much proven by him nearly fighting Achilles to death in FGO.

@@Razor1473 wait when did they fight like that in FGO? You mean that Honako video?

You are making a rather bad analogy, the fate zero Grail war had iskandar whose noble phantasm is an army of servants and an A+ ranked anti-army lightning chariot, Gilgamesh who was straight up the strongest heroic spirit, artoria under a better master than shirou, lancelot the strongest knight of the round table with madness enhancement and gilles who can summon devilish monsters and a tower sized monster, the fact that Diarmuid was doing well in such Grail war itself is impressive considering than if he fought most servants of stay night who Gilgamesh isn't part of and the masters are trash, he would probably have quite an easy time winning with kayneth as a master. So saying that diarmuid is bad because you find cu cooler is ridiculous especially when the author himself said cu would only get an advantage if they were to fight in Ireland

@@knightofthelake8112 was partly joking about Diarmuid sucking. He isn't terrible or anything like that but the lack of a strong hax or active noble phantasm really fucks him over. This applies to Lancelot too. They're strong in direct fights but what happens when it isn't that? A fight between servants isn't always that simple and you generally want to have some way to pressure other than out. Herc has god hand and high end stats, Medusa has bellerophon and petrify (which fucks over most of Zero cast) and Cu has runes which lets him do almost anything, causality reversal and his spear throw (which explodes). Hell, they'd be in trouble against Sasaki Kojiro who does what they do but to bullshit levels along with Medea magic support and those fucking stairs. I'm not saying that Diarmuid is shit though. What I'm really saying is that Cu is very fucking bullshit and isn't included in too many main plots because he'd either be too useful for general purposes or cheese a dangerous fight.

@fatcat1697 Fate stay night is just weird for these comparisons and is usually stuck between 2 extremes of power. You see it's either medusa under shinji whi has nowhere near enough speed or power to deal with any servant from fate zero bare assassin. Artoria under shirou who would get destroyed by everyone from fate zero except assassin, cu under a command spell to hold back who would yet again get destroyed by everyone except assassin from zero, medea is generally losing to everyone from fate zero anyway regardless of her master, emiya is almost countered by everyone from fate zero except assassin again, sasaki honestly can only beat diarmuid since he is a completely close range fighter by nature and everyone else would just outhax sasaki, and cursed arm is fodder to the fate zero cast. Either that or you have the other extreme which is herc under ilya (basically a grail) who is just broken and only ever lost a 1vs1 against gilgamesh otherwise you gotta jump him, medusa under sakura (another grail) which makes her mana and basic abilities sky rocket, saber under either rin or blackened under sakura makes her also OP beyond limit, or cu without restraints who can spam his np 7 times. Regardless it's not really a good comparison, and due to how bad the compatibility is with many servants in these 2 wars I would even say diarmuid who is far weaker than iskandar would still perform better than him against cu, medea and emiya due to his crazy speed, high magic resistance, anti healing and mana negating spears. Herc despite being stronger has no way of beating gilles. Medusa can easily beat iskandar despite being weaker because he doesn't have the mana check against her eyes. Sasaki could beat diarmuid and lancelot yet would most definitely get clowned on by hundred faces hassan. So yeah compatibility is very triumphant here and I would still say that diarmuid and cu are relative in Japan but with different skillset depending on the opponent (just look at diarmuid doing much better against saber than cu but would do nothing against gil while cu can hold up for 12 hours straight)

And he earned that battle continuation. Silly argument

I love cu more then dirmude and I think he has some good points

Well, Cu wasn‘t going serious just like his first fight against Archer.

​@@greenking9124Cu got nerfed by Kirei's command spell.

That's not even it, diarmuid even with fatale blows can still go put swinging as shown in the fgo manga. The problem is that his situation was completely different, cu hated kirei from the get go and any chance to off him was welcome, so cu simply did it when he had the chance. Diarmuid on the otherhand didn't hate kayneth, more so wanted to prove himself, so when he was dyi*g all he had was regret rather than the desire for revenge.

I mean he is a Lancer 😂 saber beats lancer every time

Based

It's cu's legend aka his lore

@@knightofthelake8112 which series is it?

@blackparabellum It's not animated, you can read about it