Wow. I'm 50 year old black guy and remember this scene as a kid. At the time I didn't think nothing of it but NOW seeing this as an adult, its pretty bad. But you know what? They shouldn't have censored this at all. This was from a different time period, with different ways of thinking compared to today. Removing this scene is like tampering with the history books, removing information that happened so people in the future will never know it happened. Not good.
if they didnt censored the scene they would got hella backlash and maybe even a lawsuit with everything going on with disney they physically wouldnt be able to handle that
@@midnightcircus4701 Good. They deserve backlash for racist shit like that. I mean the shoe shining? Seriously? Blatant racism and hinting at white supremacy.
The most sad part it is; I was just seeing some concepts arts from the movie Fantasia, and to my surprise, they had a different sketch about a black centaur couple that was just gorgeous (no racist stereotype like the "donuts lips" or making they ugly like the racist old cartoons would) it was truly beauty. But for some reason they cut it for the finale version and put... well, what we all can see.
@@themaninthewall9299 Well yeah why do you think I said reboot? Just tone the lips and eyes a tad and put her ponytails behind her head rather than on top.
I've seen a lot of gorgeous concept art from artists that created a beautiful non-racist version of Sunflower. I'm thinking of making my own version one day.
@Vixxxen Fox i’ll never understand why white people try so hard to be oppressed. not everything is about you. work on these issues and donate to the ‘cause of you care so much. don’t try to patronize others, and in turn, minimize the effects of slavery just for your benefit.
Sunflower is so adorable but she was depicted using stereotypes of black people's appearance which is sad. Also this was created during a time when black people weren't even shown in cartoons at all so this was considered progressive back then. We have improved a lot more as a society thankfully. Let this be shown as an example of how things can be so different just some decades back.
That is a shame. I didn't even think about it, but I suppose the hairstyle was more common back then. It just really does feel on the nose nowadays, but I guess if I watched it back then I might've never thought twice about her.
@@DkKombo That's the thing, it wasn't more common back then, it was a racist caricature that has been disseminated through centuries... But yeah, you never would have thought twice about it in 1940, because that's just how black people were depicted; in an extremely racist manner.
What’s creepy now is in the censored version the red carpet just unravels itself up the steps. Showing that Sunflower was there once but she’s been erased, now she’s a ghost.
You know what's fucked? Is this type of erasure has happened before. They used to paint over black slaves in portraits too hide the shame of it all. Sunflower has been done dirty by being erased from the annuals of history. Because shame is a powerful motivator for unitential racism.
The uncensored version would open up a lot more conversations about racism and offensive stereotypes in media, like how uncensored blackface scenes would open up the discussion of a time when black people weren't allowed to act in movies so white people would cosplay as black people and act out as many offensive stereotypes as they could think of (these blackface performers were known as "minstrels")
they actually went to slander them, which was the problem, if let say instead portrayed them just as people we wouldn't really have that much offense as it was a type of Necceray evil at that point, but then it would question why not just have Black people in it instead, I focusing more in it's intention rather than simplicity, as it's only that because of how it used to be intend as, people sometimes confuse the tool as the intention than the actual person's Intention of that Tool. BLackface was a TOOL that was used to Mock certain people, like Using nazi uniform as a TOOL to Mock the nazis, except that was actually true of what they said and helped people deal with evil, while Blackface didn't do more but keep a terrible standard.
all the scenes are uncensored on disney plus and they have a warning message saying "...Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge it's harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future."
This kind of censorship makes me sick. Disney seems dead set on pretending like the past never happened instead of doing the right thing and owning up to their racist past. Even their disclaimer is disgustingly half-assed, talking about 'cultural differences'. They should take a lesson from Warner Bros on that front. Pretending something never happened doesn't make it right, and only reinforces the 'it was OK at the time' narrative.
It wasn't okay at the time, it's not now, and if you need to see it here it is. I'll agree it's censorship when you tell me what idea or concept is being censored.
The best part is, when you go to watch it on Disney + there is this message warning people, at the beginning of the film, that there may be racially offensive things throughout the film because times have changed since then, blah blah, blah. Then it goes on to say that they left the offensive scenes in the film to educate people on how wrong it was. What a lie, as they were removed after all!
Funny thing is, Sunflower and Otika were Cut from Fantasia since 1969, so this wasn't a recent PC move on their part. I'm surprised evidence of this still exists.
@@joshuacoleman6947 listen, spin it how your old wippersnapper mind wants it she is blatantly racist no matter how you spin it. She blatantly ignored the entire time, mistreated, and made to serve them. And don’t say “the cherubs are made to serve them!” The cherubs are being treated with nothing but kindness.
The black character is actually really cute! But people now are seeing this in a different way... Especially when the black character is helping the pink character...
It's more racist to remove Sunflower than to keep her. Keeping her reflects the era she was created in and how society behaved. We have to learn from our mistakes, not erase them so they can just be repeated. But honestly, Sunflower could've been really cute if we take away the racial stereotypes and caraicture.
Agreed! Erasing her from existence is like trying to erase history. She exists. She's a racist depiction of black people. We get it. But keeping her memory alive helps the newer generations learn from the past and helps move us to a brighter future. If Disney is truly _sorry_ for their racist past, then they would be working diligently to correct their past wrongdoings by creating more positive representation for black folks with fresh, new black characters that are not stereotypes. There is some progress being made, but we still have a longggggg way to go before shit like this won't matter because there will be an abundance of positive black characters that more than compensate for the negative ones.
@@b1njjj95 i think on disney plus, they actually kept her in and wrote a message at the beginning of the movie saying that it doesnt reflect their views now, and it was wrong then, but they were keeping the scenes in because it is an important part of history. i can see if i can find the exact quote edit: "...Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge it's harmful impact, learn from it, and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future."
Because removing one superfluous racist stereotype from a Disney movie is TOTALLY gonna wipe the history books from existence and reinstate slavery. I'll bet you're a white person who has never suffered from racism.
Two things I've noticed about Afro centaurettes is that the younger ones are portrayed as goats or donkeys, while the older ones are zebras (the Afro centaurettes that aren't banned). Also in "The Reluctant Dragon," there was a ceramic figure of an older Sunflower (and she's also topless), which the lead guy "borrows" from the studio.
Thank you for posting this. Scrubbing these kind of depictions from past artistic works contributes to the denial we're seeing now about the racism that is embedded in our nation's history.
What's funny to me is how many people see Sunflower as a bad character. The thing is, she's the obnly upstanding centaur in the whole group. The point of the centaur animation is to show how shitty vanity can be.
@@jomon324 I never looked at it like that, I could see that making more sense if disney didnt already prove himself to be a pretty shitty person in general.
Thank you for posting this. I watched Fantasia many times when I was little and never knew about these scenes until now. Even though these scenes are viewed negatively by most viewers, one thing we cannot do is erase or change the past. It will be best to learn from the past which will help us learn how to change the future.
Unfortunately we're doing more blackface in the last 4 years than the ENTIRE history of whiteface. So it seems more like a twisted political agenda than anything try to do any good.
Yeah it seems racist, but it seems equally racist to remove it and sweep it under the rug like it didn't happen. I'd keep it in as a teaching tool and give the viewers the opportunity to purchase the original or the edited version. 🤷♀️
@@jhaymuenster8310 No, he knows exactly what racism is. That character is a direct reference to American slavery. Republicans, those racist fcks, are always trying to censor the history of racism in classes - which is VERY wrong and racist. That is why it is not only a racist depiction, it is ALSO racist to hide it. The best we can do is show the racism to make sure future generations stop repeating it. To educate people like you.
@@Icewind007 No. The both of you could use a very real lesson on what racism means. Censoring media is not racism. How far we have fallen were we (well, you all) would equate the generational suffering of an entire peoples to some folks not being able to access the original version of a film. Which they obviously can because that’s what led us here. It appears that you, also, don’t know what racism is. 🪑🪑🪑
@@Blaze6432 They aren't editing history. They're providing a more family friendly alternative. The original version is still out there, literally no one is denying or trying to erase that. This video wouldn't exist if that were true.
I remember being young and seeing this, and assuming the black girl was a child who wasn't old enough for dating and that this was why she was treated differently than the others. I didn't understand that it was racist yet
Keep in mind that then removing this from the movie did not happen recently. They did it in 1969, 3 years after his death, so they could release it again without Walt Disneys prejudices affecting the ticket sales. Not saying Disney as a company is the good guy here, just that even in the 60's there were people in the company that saw this as wrong.
I know that back then people thought differently But like What was going through the animators minds while they made this? Was this this character even necessary? What was their goal making this character?
I don’t think so friend - there was definitely a goal, the character really stands out and I’m sure thinking people had a lot of thoughts in their heads from what they saw ... I’m sure that was the whole point, to attract attention.
@@CaptainMarvel-ew7rn Well, when you are already such an adult - Show it to your children and then get ready to talk about slavery and inequality with your child). Try to explain it to him.
@@TheMysterDe dude get over it. slavery happens. it's still happening now. I'm not saying it's okay but to sit here and act all Righteous about a subject you barely have any real experience in then quit down and go play on tik Tok. and i can tell you're a child because news flash buddy. we live in the real world where a lot of fucked up things happen on a day-to-day basis. because that's just the way it is. and there's nothing we can do about it. so, grow a pair because life is not here to cater to your feelings. and don't worry about my kids there not going to grow up to be Panzie's like you guys
yes it’s a racist depiction of a black person, but i don’t think it should be removed from the movie as it shows us what the time was like then and how much we’ve moved forward since then
i’m glad they cut the scenes with Sunflower, but at the same time i’m glad that you uploaded this. i was checking disney plus and they actually put this message in the movie: “Content Advisory: This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.” Other films such as The Jungle Book, Lady and the Tramp, Peter Pan and the Aristocats have this warning before the movie starts. It also shows that Disney is trying to improve in this area, and not use racist stereotypes.
It’s not a stereo type if they still dress this way. Plus cutting old culture is how you never learn from the past. Stop pretending other cultures don’t have stereotypes and aren’t mocked in the same fashion.
Peter Pan - Understandable. There's a whole fucking song about skin colour Lady and the Tramp - Eh, I've seen worse portrayals of Asians in modern kids shows Aristocats - The Chinese cat is mildly offensive. I guess it was worth the warning Jungle Book - lol wat? Not every cartoon monkey is a caricature. Is Curious George racist too?
Disney: "This programme includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures, These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. We want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together". Also Disney: Features the censored version where Sunflower doesn't exist
Funny how when you watch it on Disney plus you get a warning about how there are things that are not up to date and how it would be wrong to take it out because it’s a part of our history and then they still have this edited out.
Only reason they took it out was because they received backlash about it. They only care when people call them out and then simply erase the issue so no one remembers it and the fact they created this extreme racist image. It’s the same with them banning song of the south yet keeping a ride inspired by it.
Well, that mioght be because all modern releases of Fantasia are based off the remastering they did back in 2000 for the DVD release of it from that year. Though there are still 2 other black centaurettes, one of which pours some wine in the chalice of the god of wine.
I remember there being a beautiful black centaur lady with a zebra body? Did I make that up? I thought that was cool as a kid cause zebras were African
ngl i wouldn't have minded if she was just a little girl centaur but this is kinda racist- now i still wouldn't have minded her being black but the way the portrayed her was not good- but hey! she was kinda cute tho!!!
I can't tell if it's more or less racist now on one hand the black character was clearly a racist depiction but instead of making it less so they removed all traces of the only black character kinda ironic in a way but it's not important
On the third hand, the only harmful thing about her was the way she looked. And as I say, looks aren't what define a character. She is clearly a sweet and happy centaur who, although brushed off by the bigger centaurs, looks as if she enjoys her job decorating the tails and shining the hooves of these centaurs.
@@rayhayden6220 Yeah, because we were supposed to be happy like that, being servants to white people. That's the way we were always shown during that time period, as either happy servants or buffoons.
Way, way back in the 1970s, whenever a theater showed "Fantasia,": all of the hippies would pile in and smoke weed while watching the film. I think they liked the dancing mushrooms scene.
I feel fortunate to have experienced my childhood going to school where there were vietnamese, punjabi, blondes, brunettes, latinos, & I'm a Canadian half filipino & white with a black stepfather from Baltimore who I miss dearly cuz he passed away. I love that movie Django. I don't like white people who choose to act out of hate on someone just for being black. I don't like to see blacks killing blacks over red & blue. What is it going to take to reach those that don't know any better?? Let's all step-up & do our part so we can leave this world better then when it was when we came in.
I also don’t like black people or anyone who’s not white that are prejudiced to white people because of the “sins of our forefathers” I’ve been accused of being racist just for being white and it’s even worse now because I’m Jewish. I really wish racism in all forms would stop, but that’ll probably never happen.
It’s because the character was depicted as a slave to the “more beautiful” centaurs. Also the design seems like how a stereotypical black girl would look like
@@crustybooytp okay but there were white slaves too 🤔 the agenda is to get rid of of POC in history and they are doing a phenomenal job at it. Aunt Jemima is a prime example. Replaced her with a white man and people think that’s justice 😂
@@forteenite you’re right. But they also removed the only character of color from a 1940s film. I never said it wasn’t wrong, I said the agenda is to remove POC from media and they are extremely successful at it. We talk so much about learning about history so we don’t repeat it, but why is everyone trying to erase history to fit their agenda? I’m confused. You can’t rewrite history. The character was in the original film. It was a different time. There is nothing we can do now except not watch it if you want to.
@@saeshamarrero4063 Aunt Jemima is based on a real woman goofy. The caricature is the problem not the erasure. That's why it's now called the Pearl Milling Company named after the company that founded the mix and not an avatar of Nancy Green. Removal isn't a problem if it isn't accurate. What you want is the stereotype to be depicted for preservation instead of seeing it as a false image as a whole that should have never been conceived. I'm sure you'd feel some sort of way if women of your hue were once betrayed as nothing more than a mouth and holes who can't string a sentence or a rational thought together. I can't believe you actually thought you made a salient point. The white slave narrative isn't the one that is most recent nor is it the one that most people world wide think of when they think of modern slavery. When's the last time you watched a trailer for a "white slave" movie? Hollywood not interested, or are white people not interested? I'm still waiting to see the equivalent to 12 years a slave.....white edition. Maybe an Irish Roots, how about the Slavic version of Queen. Where's the movie about the white slave regiment that fought in the Civil War? That would just be fiction. Maybe we'll see a movie about the white slave boat that was overtaken by the passengers who were later brought to trial. AMYstad coming soon? Hell......how about any period piece that shows historical white slaves that are not Jewish? For your view point to hold up, the depictions of the history you spout have to be present in pop culture media representation. Not that they can't exist....they just are never brought to the general public with a 1000th of the same zeal or spectacle as the typical slave piece. Maybe that's because no one thinks of white slavery because it was nowhere near as prolific in damage or scale.
Fun fact: when I saw this at the age of like 7 I just thought it was just some cute little dark skinned girl and saw no problem with it, I didn’t know it was racist till now 😅
@@christophertracy2807 Not necessarily. I'm black. I watched Tom & Jerry when I was 5, and noticed Mammy-two-shoes was dumb, poorly spoken and homely. A few episodes have a slim white housewife. I asked my mom directly "Is this what they [the world] think all black people look like?" She sighed and said "Yes". I still watched the show, but she didn't lie about anti-black perception. That said, I'm disappointed Fantasia cut out Sunflower. Don't rewrite history because it bruises egos. Confront it.
@@katiedidd7825 White washing history robs our black youth the chance to know what they come from and how to avoid going back there. Sadly, they are not enough black people who are smart enough to realize this and not accept the white liberal destruction of the chapters of American history that are not politically expedient for them. They are duping half of us and threatening the other half with cancel culture.
@@blacksilkmagick They learn from what is modeled in society - a society hat is built and run by the adults. If you read all my comments, you would have seen that I said adults teach children racism. So nothing I said is wrong.
It's not fair, Disney warns us about the problematic material at the beginning of the film, but nevertheless, they say, they will show us the original material, but they still censor it.
I think they are so cute, more expressive and interesting than the other characters. When I was a kid, I assumed they were all siblings and Sunflower and Otika were the little sisters, taking care of their big sisters.
Btw sunflower isnt forced to work for the other centaur, she just get easily bored so she mostly spend her times helping other centaurs like grooming, playing, or doing chores, she does this because she likes everything to be clean and tidy :)
@@marvincorre4783 - because she is in a servant position, has slightly exaggerated stereotypical facial features and also wearing a hairstyle that was a stereotype for 'pickaninnies'. She's the only centauress who looks and acts like this.
Can't they re-daw Sunflower to look less of a racist caricature and make one of grown up centaurs black so Sunflower would be more like a baby sister and not a servant? That way cartoon would have more black representation
They could have then, and they could certainly do it now. Of course, the same people who say now, "That's not racism" would scream it was racism if "blackwashed" any of the other centaurs.
@@zombies4evadude24 Easy, it is mid-term election time in the US and RU-vid is predominately a Leftist company. It's videos like this that will be recommended to stoke ire amongst the viewers to help push people to vote democrat (The Left here in the states tend to see racial issues in EVERYTHING). It sounds like a conspiracy theory but there is a lot of truth in this sort of behavior.
art should not be altered or censored to suit the sensibilities of a more enlightened time and way of thinking. If anything, the more offensive it is, the more important it is that it be preserved exactly as it is. It happened, it is history, and all history should be preserved, regardless of whether you like it and especially if it offends you.
@@chrisoberlin3256 you’re the wunn with the lack of knowledge, mate, why don’t you keep your bluddy unwanted comments from this fellows comment box. Not everything people say is their opinion, by hell! If you were too write this lewdly in every feedback box on eBay you’d be blacklisted before you can say JACKANORY. This fellow’s candour, Doodlepede, is profound and true. And I believe his comments was based on profound fact. Not just opinion.
Sorry y’all, my cousin had snuck onto my device thanks to some help from my sister and started commenting stuff on here and I’m only noticing this now after checking my notifications. It’s honestly embarrassing to see what she wrote here, and my apologies. I’ll delete what she commented, and I’ll talk to her about it later.
it’s insane how many people in the comments are being ignorant. the racism in the movie was painfully blatant. to say that sunflower and atika’s characters weren’t racist is an insane statement. they were racist and disney INTENDED them to be racist. disney has done it in movies such as dumbo and the aristocats which were made even later than this one.
it’s a shame that this movie has such harmful stereotypes. i don’t recall ever watching this segment of fantasia, but it seems like it would’ve been such a beautiful segment to watch if they didn’t depict sunflower and otika in such a negative light :/
Man tis used to be my favorite sequence in the Fantasia movie I didn’t know the original version was racist because in the VHS version I had growing up Sunflower had been taken out (good) . But damn this just leaves a sour taste in my mouth something that I enjoyed when I was little was hard dark origins
Okay so they could've honestly just make Sunflower actually LOOK DECENT. I'm happy the removed it tbh, cause we don't need to portray that to kids especially younger minorities. That's psychologically damaging
@@noxhamilton704 Yeah, most animated stories back then weren't. But still, it's psychologically damaging. Even if you all want to keep Sunflower at least make her look DECENT. Like she has scattered pigtails, unrealistically big lips and terrible dentition. Even her her eyes are different and aren't all glamoured up (but I could care less about the eyes at this point) In a modern society, she just looks offensive
@@noxhamilton704 but it's wrong either way tho bc kids aren't that racist but parents they take it to the next lvl and ................... they ganna catch a beat down if they mess with wrong race like ppl like me 🥰
@@twilightfoxy5010 what’s the big deal? We gave The Princess and the Frog to the blacks where not one white was in that film!? And all y’all wanna talk racism?
You know when I watched this as a kid. I thought she ran a hair salon service for centaurs. But I think it was a product of my environment, cause back then we had quite a few black neighbors that ran salons out of their homes. My mother had a favorite she like to visit. We were Black, Latino and poor. Making do with what we had. LOL. But anyways I didn't think it was racist.
@@carllarouche6380 since Slavic people are not considered as white, so no, I'm not white anymore. And are you even black to say something like this? And you prefer to pretend nothing ever happened only because you feel salty about this? In fact, I believe this censorship is not about preventing hurting black people feelings, but Disney trying "whitewash" (ouch, how ironically) themselves, and now they are removing clues of their "crimes". They do not care about black people at all, they care only about money.
If only they could have brought this character to life with respect. She could have been a sweet filly with beautiful hair playing about the ankles of her grown counterparts, dreaming of how she will decorate herself when she grows up. Instead they made her a clumsy, unflattering mule. :(
It's actually sad how many people in this comment section have no idea what the Jezebel caricature is- there's nothing to dismiss about it. It's so fucking blatant
I usually don't care about this stuff until I saw this scene. This shouldn't be drawn today. However, this was considered normal then. We can't change the past, we shouldn't change the past. We shouldn't ban or remove art, how problematic it could be in today's modern age.
One of the few times I'm glad they censored something. If they had made some of the centaurs black, not counting Dionisys' zebra gals, as well and not made her a goddamn donkey when all of the white girls are proper horses... Jeez. It marrs and otherwise fantastic segment
Sunflower's character design is actually far more benign than it could have been, given the time period. If the red lips were colored normally and the "pickaninny" hairstyle she has in some shots (oddly not in others) were done away with, it would actually work fine for something made today. But of course the problem with Sunflower isn't just her design, it's the CONTEXT she appears in. She's depicted as subservient to the "Greek" centaurs and centaurettes, and within that role, she's clearly the product of visual tropes which were specifically and uniquely American, meaning they were specifically reflective of post-Reconstruction Jim Crow ideas that leaked out far beyond the south and into the mainstream culture.
It seems like the problem with Jim Crow was trying to keep blacks as a caste of second class citizens, when ideally they should have all been granted freedom and moved back to Africa as was Abraham Lincoln's intention, possibly to Liberia like the great black nationalist Marcus Garvey once suggested. This is a sentiment echoed recently by racially aware and woke blacks who yearn to have their own Wakanda. Blacks know that if they are made to live with whitey in the same societies they will be made second class until whitey himself is destroyed. It's easier to be friendly neighbors than friendly housemates. If we want both blacks and whites to live in peace they will each eventually need to have their own land. I am convinced this is the only rational and peaceful solution to the race issue.
@@Tyrell-d6o LOL AT THIS FUCKING IDIOCY! Tolerance is NOT an impossible thing to learn. You are PROJECTING by thinking that peaceful multiculturalism is impossible, when it is everything but. "I am convinced this is the only rational and peaceful solution to the race issue." You are *fucking* delusional. Rational? Please. Don't even.
@@Tyrell-d6o Works both ways. I'm sure the Natives of the American Continents and the Caribbean Islands would have loved if Europeans had "Gone back where they came from", right?
If people think this is racist, pffft... they haven't seen Scrub Me Mama with a Boogie Beat 1941. You want a really edgy racist cartoon that puts the first letter in that awful slur, go watch that. This is heavenly compared to that hell. Sunflower's kind of adorable here and her mannerism's are cute. Just put that tooth back in! Less of a caricature that way, especially if you just give her a slight afro with bows or something.
I usually believe that people are too quick to use the words "bigotry" or "racism" in the modern era, but even I have to admit that this is pretty bad. Sunflower isn't depicted as a perfect beauty like the others are, and in all of her scenes she is serving someone. While I won't go as far as to say that she is depicted as a slave, I will say that she is depicted as a servant and overall not an equal to the other centaurs. Yes, this is a racist depiction. By acknowledging that, we learn from it, and don't repeat the same mistake in the future.
You've been brainwashed real good, Tad. This isn't even the most exaggerated Black cartoon character, it's very tame. Do you cry at the ugly waitresses at the diner that they're not, "being treated like Kim Kardashian", eh hypocrite?
@@iknoweverything4959 Even if this isn't the most exaggerated black cartoon character, that doesn't take away from the point that I made. Or do you mean to suggest that the character of Sunflower was not in fact treated differently from the rest of the characters? She's smaller, not depicted as a perfect beauty, is always serving another character in whatever scene she's in, and unlike the rest of the centaurs is not given a mate to bond with. I fail to see where my observation of these clear differences in character treatment based on skin tones is hypocritical. As I mentioned in my prior comment, I am usually of the belief that modern day folks use "bigotry" or "racism" far too often for instances that don't even remotely apply to either term. That doesn't mean I am incapable of seeing instances where those terms clearly apply, and this is one of those instances. Simply mentioning that there are worse depictions of darker skinned characters out there does not take away from the fact that this was a racist depiction. By that logic, Jeffery Dahmer isn't that bad of a guy because he didn't kill as many people as Adolph Hitler. Which is wrong. If you are going to refer to me as a brainwashed hypocrite, I would ask you to better explain how and why I am either of those things.
@@TeeAiDee You do realize that not everyone is treated the same in reality, right? It's hypocritical, because there's plenty of examples of someone unattractive put together with attractive people that you would never address or care about. Hence the diner analogy I made. Let's just be honest, you have a creepy fetish for us, definitely idol worship. Reminds me of how it's blasphemy to depict Mohammod to Muslims.
@@iknoweverything4959 Fantasia is not reality, it's fantasy. Many people, myself included, enjoy going to fictional worlds to get away from the harsh truths of reality. Having people being treated the way Sunflower is treated, is a good reminder of what poor views some individuals had of black people back in the day. Excuse me if I feel like pointing that out. How do you know that I wouldn't call out any other instances of less attractive characters being put on a lesser pedestal than more attractive characters? Do you know me personally? Have you seen other comments of mine on different videos? Do you know any of the things I've said or done in my life that may contradict what I said on this one comment on this one video? No? Then perhaps it's not some bizarre fetish or idol worship that you seem to be projecting onto me, and maybe it's just me pointing out something that I personally believe to be wrong. I'm not sure how making a statement like that is virtue signalling, but the more I speak to you, the more you seem to just want to use that term as a label that automatically makes you right in your argument from your point of view. I don't care what the color of your skin is, it doesn't make you right about the assumptions you've been making about me. I care more about the content of your character, which so far has been less than stellar. You want to be offended by me pointing out something I consider to be racist? Tough shit, that's your problem, not mine. I won't change my opinion just because you don't like it. If you had actually bothered trying to speak to me without being a condescending prick, you might have seen that your assumptions of me were wrong. But since you instead decided to act like an immature child, tossing around insults, I'm going to treat you like an immature child, and ignore you. Have a good day.
It is offensive? perhaps. For this we must be censored it? no, is a product of his time and we need this for meet about this errors of the past for study it and learn them this be better people in the future.
TheMrWillje ya why don’t people understand that burying the past is just a recipe for it to repeat itself like tearing down statues of slave owners and changing splash mountain it’s history our history we need to keep it because pretending it didn’t happen will just cause problems in the future
The uncensored version is available on Disney Plus. It contains a disclaimer acknowledging that the racism was wrong then and is wrong now, but rather than pretend it didn't happen, they want to create conversation about it.
@@johnnyedd2782 probably for the Zebra centaurs. They aren't as bad as this one but they do still preputate the hypersexualization of "exotic" women of color.
I hate it when people say this stuff to try and cover up the racism. It doesn't matter what child you thought. This was made by adults. Every other centaur is beautiful, she is a ghastly horribly offensive caricature. Plus she's a slave to all the others.
@valyg.creepy5844 Perfectly chill. My response wasn't just to you. It's to all people who think stuff is fine cos when they were a child they thought nothing of it.
I'm glad both characters were cut out of the movie because those are images that no one needs to be exposed to. But, at the same time, I'm also glad that you uploaded this, because I think it's important for people to understand: "Look, these characters were products of their time. They were racist back then, and they're sure as hell racist today."
especially on bluray. nowadays with "seamless branching" you can just have people select if they want Sunflower in it or not (and maybe add an unskippable disclaimer a la Walt Disney Treasures when you do select that version). And if they don't want to do that, how about a Disney Treasures Bluray series with just this segment of the movie at least included somewhere? It may be a highly shameful part of Disney's history that slightly mars this beautiful movie, but it bothers me nonetheless to know something is missing from the movie i am watching. They restored much worse stereotypes to their cartoons on the Walt Disney Treasures DVDs, so that we serious fans can decide for ourselves if we can accept these moments for being part of history instead of having Disney whitewash their own history.
