The last scene where she holds out her hand but rook back away from it in fear... That was just amazingly done, it really gave me the chills. I was secretly hoping for her to get out of the bliss and join your side against Joseph. A really cliché romance haha
The scene where she tried to hold out her hand and the boss fight alone was so heartbreaking. She really was misunderstood and had gone through so much pain. Would have loved if we could bring her to the good side. She didnt deserve to die alone and sad like that.
@Anthony Diaz Faith Seed Mission is best in the game Fantastic visuals & plot line which is very realistic. Sexual exploitation/abuse, coercion/ mind control techniques all involving drug misuse to enable methods of control & power over a vulnerable girl with a troubled past. This is all in the name of RELIGION!! A story that reflects the way fringe religions work in modern society. It's not JUST a game is it ?? Can you tell the difference.?? Karl Marx once said.."Religion is the opiate of the masses."
I think that Joseph was trying to use Faith as the replacement of his wife. She's such a sad and underrated character. Btw, thanks for making this video!
I’ve done some research (because I have ADHD and was hyper focused one night) and came to the conclusion that the “Bliss” plant is actually either the real life Angel’s Trumpet plant or Datura. Both plants contain the belladonna alkaloids atropine, hyoscyamine, and scopolamine (this chemical is mentioned in this video). When these plants are consumed, they display hallucinogenic properties as well as making you unable to say no to someone’s suggestion, no matter what that suggestion may be, so it can basically be used for mind control (which is terrifying). In the game, the flower itself looks extremely similar to the two plants I previously mentioned. Also in the game, the plant is mainly used as a method of mind control and is hallucinogenic.
I remember hearing about that on a documentary about criminals living in south america using a similar plant to drug people at bars and tell them to open their apartment doors to then steal everything.
She was the most compelling character in far cry 5 for me. Like I actually felt conflicted about killing her which is a good thing instead of an enemy I know is just fucked beyond all belief
@@definitionofinsanity Joseph freed her? But it was also said Joseph gave her drugs to 'purify' her and she was still terrified of him as it was mentioned somewhere. He did free her from her past, but not the abuse
When she held out her hand to you, you could tell she was lost. She didn't know what was going to happen, she was manipulated, set to think and see things the same way Joseph does. But in her final moments, you could tell she really felt alone, heartbroken, almost like a strange and brief but strong relationship with Rook. I wish it would've given you the choice to take her hand. I can already imagine what would've happened: You grab her hand, and she just cries, and hugs you. Apologizing for how foolish she was, following Joseph's path. Almost like a child, she just wants nothing but your support, YOUR guidance. Not Joseph's, YOURS. Like I said, this scene was EXTREMELY heartbreaking, and I'm still having a hard time swallowing it. I mean honestly, at first, she just wanted you to join the cult. But in the end, she was a lost, lonely, girl. Wanting help, attention, and love. Even when you pulled back, you could see the confusion/fear in her eyes.
Man, she was manipulative, that's what we're warned from the very start, and every time she touched anyone (us, marshal, sherrif) they ended up hypnotized. But yeah the whole thing is really sad
@@saqibnadeem3901The whole point is that Faith is more manipulated and truly victimized on bliss herself rather than being this "liar and manipulator" as we are tempted to believe by the resistance... Evidence and lore clearly explains this.
@@saqibnadeem3901she had no reason to try an manipulate you in the end. She's not manipulative, she's been manipulated and believes she is in the right. She trapped and drugged and tortured. She's the only villain who is just misunderstood
Faith was one of the most interesting villains out of the family, she seemed kind and gentle but also lost and together with Joseph, it made her into a manipulative person.
True. Though I have not yet played the Far Cry games after Far Cry 5, so far I find Faith Seed to be the best «villain» of the Far Cry games. Even Vaas from Far Cry 3 are lackluster compared to Faith Seed, as Vaas, in my opionion, is just a prick.
Go to the prepper stash in the radon spa mine in henabne river after beating faith u can find the ghost of faith running around in there causing mischief
Yep...when going through she still haunts you. Even tells you now you know what the Bliss is when its all around you in the cave. Also the phones still ring too if you missed them the first time.
By far Faith was definitely the most interesting character of the game for me. John seemed very dull and just wanted to fucking punch him in the face everytime he said yes.
I find Faith to be the most interesting character of all the Far Cry games (have not played the newer Far Cry games yet). Even more interesting than Vaas, who I find to be more of a prick, than interesting as a character.
@@malelonewolf80gotta disagree with u there. Vaas is suppose to be a prick but there's alot more to him, smth you don't pick up on until u play the game a few times and listen to what he's saying. Farcry6 also has a vaas DLC the dives deeper into his back story. Vaas is essentially a broken man symbolic to what Jason is destined to become bc of his actions.
IMHO there are 2 characters. One is Racheal Jessop, the drug addict, the abused person looking for help. The other is Faith Seed, the liar, manipulator and the one who is scared of The Father so much she can't face him (and for all we know The Father used her for other things). Both characters have been through so much pain and suffering. It is enough too fill 2 lifetimes. Should she have been saved? In way yes.
I guess it depends if she deserved to be saved. Its one thing to feel pity...she certainly deserved that because of her story. But in the end she was just as awful as the rest of them. She stacked those bodies high: Men, women, and children tortured and killed for resisting. She broke the minds of hundreds of people with her Bliss drug turning them into mindless slaves. Those people deserved justice too.
@@Bhoddisatva Yes, those who she harmed deserve justice, and Rachel is far from innocent. But if she somehow survived against the Deputy and returned to Joseph, let us just say her final moments would have been terrible, to say the least, more than what the Deputy did to her. At the very least, she should have been saved from Joseph's wrath for failing to kill the Deputy... if she survived that is.
@@combatking20 If she survived Joseph's madness and the end of the world then by all means give her a second chance. The Apocalypse gives plenty of opportunities for those.
@@Bhoddisatva Well if we go by Far cry 6 timeline (according to Ubisoft FC6 is an alternate timeline) the world never ended at all. But I am splitting hairs and going down the rabbit hole. In my Fanon, Rachel did live and help take down the Cult.
@@combatking20 These days when I re-play the game I stop short of confronting the Father. I like the idea of putting down a crazy doomsday cult and saving what we can (including Faith? Sure. Why not. She's hot.). The whole nuke ending takes me out of the fantasy.
Well she wasn’t all bad and I think Rook realised that just at the worst moment so They took it as a Sorry sorta thing but it is also just a load of Symbolism
If there was a way to remove the bliss from Faith/Rachel kind of similar to what they attempted to do to the Marshall I think she might have ended up joining the resistance. I also believe that Faith's claim about her past is true because Joseph basically says the same story but sugar coated.
It was sad indeed. The Father may have been the command of the cult but she was the heart of it. She was in my opinion more dangerous and powerful than Joseph. I still don't believe she is dead the body was never found the kill never confirmed. Sure Virgil and the Marshal die in the Bliss but you wake up and attempt to treat Virgil's deadly wound in vain as he dies and the Marshall is confirmed dead by looking to the makeshift memorial commemorating those who lost their life in the battle against the cult. His full name was Cameron Burke. I would love to see Ubisoft do an expansion on the actual story and I had a few ideas of my own.
Crispyratx *Sure I will share but its long.* For a prequel I was thinking we get an actual protagonist with a personality. He would be one of 4 hired mercenaries contracted by the Sheriff to assisnate Joseph Seed and his family. Whitehorse being a Montanan would have his distrust in the governement to do what needs to be done with the cult would compell himself to try doing things under the law by a private agent. That is where the mercenaries come in. It would be a classified operation he would risk his badge and prison to run a bold waver to save the county from the tyranny of the cult he could not trust anyone else to properly handle. The time setting would be nice because we could then meet some of the characters in the game we only here of by stories of their bravery and death like May and Grace's fathers, the son of Mayor Virgil, etc. This could potentially be a campaign co-op (like in FC3) which will take a lot of time to develop but as a single player would still work. In the beginning we can be introduced to a prologue with the squad leader briefing the team and the player what the mission is and what to do upon arrival. It would a deadly irony in the intro with the mercenaries unwary of the nature of their shadowy contract shrugging off killing Joseph Seed and his army of cultists it off as easy money joking about them in a belittling condescending manner only to progressively grow alarmed of their own well-being throughout the game as they learn how deadly, relentless, and numerous the cult truly is the hard way. These four highly capable would enter a hornets' nest they would soon regret upsetting. This is partially at the fault of the Sheriff who undercontracted an insufficient number of men in an attempt to lower his profile. When they start engaging the cult at first sessions of the story the men foolishly confirm their remarks of fighting the cult by annihilating them with ease. Their overconfidence in an easy victory would foreshadow the danger they would layer tred through the more they aggitate the Father. As the game progresses the morale and physique of the 4 men would gradually deteriorate as they restlessly fight off seemingly endless waves of the cult in their blind assault searching for Joseph Seed and his heralds. To add to the carnage you and your squadmates also get periodically singled out by the Seed heralds themselves most prominently Faith who take you on more fun trips into to the Bliss in an attempt to corrupt your mind and turn you to her side. In your encounters with them although you obviously do not kill them you manage to break their control and weaken their hold on their region and posture(in vain of course). At the climax the mercenaries are pushed to their limit even being close to abandoning the mission or even worse, through aid of the Bliss, start to believe in the dogma the cult preaches and consequently try to join the Father. The experience of the mercenaries in Hope County would be wildly different from that of the deputy. The aid of the community like you have in the main story would be nearly gone and replaced with animosity and casual hostility. There can be a more challenging survival-orientated experience where the mercs are left to move on on their own resolve with only their squadmates to fully trust. We can have most of the county scoff at these outsiders passing them off as pawns for federal government. They would only partially gain the trust of particular characters who they would make a connection upon giving them aid on the road realizing the county wants the Father as bad as them. The end would be a tragedy with. Periodically throughout the final half of the story the men would start getting killed off raising the emotional tensions of the mercenaries and the stakes. Only you and your lone remaining squad mate is left plagued by fear for your lives fueled only by avengeful wrath to proceed with the mission and put an end to the cult once and for all. There can be a session where you assault Joseph's compound, more pristine and fortified than when you play the main story, and actually get into his church where you uncover the hatch to a massive bunker(greater than that of the herlad's) one of many the Father had built to prepare for the collapse. Finally your last buddy succumbs to fatigue and his wounds. You are left alone to finish the job only to be tantalized by Faith and force you in a struggle to escape her charm and the Bliss. In your final moments you also succumb moments before you finally get a hold of Joseph in a struggle ready to finish him off only to then unfortunately be subdued by Faith's Bliss control where she puts you out of action and gives you a one-sided ultimatum to join the cult and swear your loyalty to the cult by killing your last squad mate surprisingly still alive but on a thread. If you join your teammate dies by your own hand and you become part of Eden's Gate, and you are transported into The Bliss where the cult welcomes you with open forgiving arms as you indulge in their drug-induced hospitality until the credits roll. If you don't join(meaning you sit your controller until the button icon vanishes) Joseph has your friend finished off and you are taken away to be drowned in Bliss chemicals until you become an Angle afterwards being in the same torturing trance as the rest of them. In this story I want to see a deeper more personal experience of The Bliss similar to that of the Marshall's but more intense since it was a key highlight setting in the main story. The epilogue wraps it all up. The Sherriff gets no word from the doomed expedition he hired the mercenaries for. He rightfully assumes the worst and decides there is no other choice but to bring Joseph Seed down by the books. He reluctantly contacts the federal government preparing his deputies to accompany him and the Marshall on a helicopter trip to Hope County to arrest Joseph Seed.
If the Eden’s Gate story every gets turned into a streaming series I really want a redemption story for Faith. I’ve always felt like she in many ways was the greatest villain in Far Cry 5, because she’s so complex. Yes she starts out just wanting to get too into the cult. But the little glimpses of fear like when Rook destroys her journal shows that there was potential to bring her back to her original Rachel-self.
The one I truly felt sorry for. Wasn't violent to you until she was driven to it by you constantly ignoring the inevitable and killing hundreds of her people while she's been nothing but nice and inviting. When the boss fight starts, she waits for you to shoot to fight back. At the end she doesn't fight till her last breath, she accepts her loss, tries to be friendly one last time, and then walks away. She doesn't do anything unless provoked, was only there because of how horrible and disgusting everyone was to her and even says she doesn't want to do all the bad stuff and it was Joseph Seeds fault for making her
What if we DID took her hand . World would be a better place for me. I would cry of happyness then but the rejection deputy made made me cry out of anger,disapointment and pitty . :(
There is a way to have what your looking for. My little girl loved Jesus. She was 11 and died from cancer this past July. In her final moments she saw heaven and spoke to us. She was in complete amazement and awe at the beauty she was looking at. She is now a daughter of heaven and rests with her friend Jesus.
The writing in this game for the main story and the main characters, especially the villians and a few of the side guys like whitehorse and jerome. They were so well done and very believable. The seed family had such a terrible life. And it's no wonder yet still unexcusable why they became so sadistic. I wish Faith was better explained. But this video helped me piece some of the pieces atleast. If you havent read the Book of Joseph. Its free online
Only way I came to terms with killing faith was to set her free from the Father. Simple fact she was dosed and we had to take care of her wether she was in control of killing Virgil and the marshal or if it was the drugs she still did it. I just wish it was a way to save her physical being. But she is at an eternal peace.
Everytime I replay the game I always feel bad about killing Faith and I never look forward to the ending after you liberate the region. Though honestly it’s the best thing to do. At least you out her out of her misery and she finally has a way out and away from Joseph.
This character I'd consider the most tragic out of all the seed family they made a character who you felt bad in actually killing if she actually got the right help instead of ending up in Joseph's family who knows what would've happened
There’s Rachel, Sara, Lana and Selena . Selena is possibly the current faith, Rachel being the faith before her, Lana being the faith before Rachel and Sara being the biological sister to Joseph making her the original faith
far cry has always had a supernatural element, so I think she did survive the fall just as the protagonist does. How? we have no idea, was it just drugs or is it something more. I like the mystery
I felt really bad the first time I played this game and had to fight Fait. I think everyone knew she was being so caring to try and get in the players head but I don't know why I always felt she was being genuine with us which made me feel bad going against her. At the end of her fight when we finally defeat her I thought she would Join Rook since she was being serious when she wanted him to help her, I think after we back away from her in fear she realises how much damage she's done and pretty much tells us to go kill Joseph
Pretty sure she was shooting you with Sin Eater, a unique sawed off you unlock after you kill her. It's basically the only sidearm i use anymore. I know there are better guns but i can't help but use Faith's shotgun and Jacob's rifle both in a trophy way and a begrudging respect kinda way.
I found the letter in one of the caves where they boil the bodies to destroy them( the cave which is a biohazard) and I found the letter which stated that her real name was Lana. I didn't realize there were others as well. Damn. This is by far one of my favorite games. I loved it so soooo much and playing New Dawn made it all the better. Joseph Seed. I will remember him and this game for my entire life.
I am super late but if you kill faith and enter one of the caves filled with Bliss (at the Henbane Rive). She appears as a shadow and can be seen throughout the cave, taunting you which nakes me think that she's alive although it's just probably the player experiencing aftereffects from the Bliss
Her story is tragic but at the Brewery she has a pretty chilling vm where she goes into how great it is to watch the bliss basically remove people's humanity. There's another (I forget where) where she's saying how much she doesn't like kids...
i think i’m lost in bliss tho bc i stayed in the flowers for 5 hours REAL FUCKING TIME and idk why but i simp for game characters and this is my best one yet lol
I wanted her to live… I wish we had the choice if we could save her or not because I liked faith personally I felt she was the only nice seed that didn’t intend to harm but was forced to by Joseph
When I herd this I feel bad for faith she didn't deserve this wait the bliss flower is based off a real flower omg and if you ask me faiths bliss cutsenes are trippy af
2:58 is wrong, you see her in her physicsl form right at the beginnign when you cuff the father, faith, john and jacob are staying behind him watching you
After the final battle with faith, we’re not transported to a river. It’s a pond on this kind of bluff within eye shot of the gates to faiths bunker (there’s a wooden bridge from her bunker gates to this pond, I found it via helo).
At least Faith can be grateful that I left her last. She gave her the chance to outlive John and Jacob. If Rachel Jessop has something to say about that, she may proceed.
You can see faith in her physical form I THINK... when you go to arest joseph at the start at the game you can see behind him john jacob and faith in her physical form i think
You do feel bad you had to put Faith to sleep or (more or less) free her from her pain and torment,but for me it definitely put you on the path to bring Joseph Seed justice. One thing I wish could have been added was to be able to bury her in a shallow grave at least, but unlike John and Jacob there is no body to be moved, like when I took out John I threw his body in the river and watched it float away. In Faith's case I wish I could have put it on the altar of Pastor Jerome's Church.
Honestly, I partially feel bad for Faith, but part of me hates her. She gaslights, and lies, but she’s very clearly psychologically scarred and traumatized, and under Joseph’s control. I kinda hoped she could be redeemed, try and right her own wrongs and find a healthier way to cope with her torment, even find a cure for the Bliss so others wouldn’t be as easy to manipulate, but as soon as she killed the Marshal, and lead the Sheriff down the path of Bliss, I wasn’t okay about her any more. It’s one thing to be in a bad place, be forced to help bad people. But once you ruin or take a life, that blood is on your hands. She knew what she was doing, and I don’t feel bad for disliking that aspect of her. She’s an interesting character, and she’s a tragic one.
3:00 not true. In the prologue you see her in real, standing behind the father when you take him from the church. For some reason i think it is scary to see her standing there
It wouldn't be the first time in far cry when someone who you kill actually survives Longines in farcry 3&4 was one of the faction leaders in far cry 2 before the merc killed him
Think those scars on her cheek was the fathers doing? Because he was abusive?? Just so much questions unanswered... A good game mechanic should’ve been scripts where the peggies would attack the bases and you had to fight off the waves at certain times...
Video games should really be considered on same level as movies TVs shows and books on story levels cause this game RDR2 tell great stories that can only be told through video games
my first play through i went after faith last. throughout here part of the game it kept me immersed thru the game making me want to continue on with her story. when i got to her final scene it left me questioning what i had done. i literally stopped after the cut scene and just layed down thinking. they did a very well job on her arc 10/10 from me
That last bit when she reaches out to you...she's not asking for your help,you morons. She's still attempting to manipulate Rook into joining the cult. She presents him with the alternative that Joseph Seed may not be the savior,but maybe Rook is. When Rook blocks that BS she realises she's failed on her mission to lure Rook and gives in to death. She then goes on to make the foreshadowing of the game ending,which may be an indicator as to what truly went down with the nukes. I think Faith's concept is solid proof that Rook's decision is responsible for Joseph Seed triggering the nukes and ending it all. It's not Rook's fault,however,I think this goes to show that the top 3 of Eden's Gate knew that it would either be that Joseph Seed moves on with his work or everyone in Montana dies. The fact that they would not allow a return to normality. Time and time again they make you join them because they want you to probably be their 4th member.
4 years late but it is incredible that you can make such misinterpretation of a scene... It is very clear from any combined lore perspective thah she is seeking help...
If what she claims is actually true then her story is really sad but i feel like most of what she tells you is just to manipulate you into feeling bad for her and going along with getting turned into a drug zombie. I just think its mostly bullshit but even if everything she says is true and she were actually manipulated using the bliss she then does the exact same thing to you and everyone else in the area that she's in charge of so its kinda hard to feel bad for her
There no proof that she died since you can’t find her body and you were in the bliss so maybe you actually save her from the father by thinking she was killed she could of escaped
