‪@Farfa‬ 

As someone with maxed out mannadium, no Kash, I want to part of these type people. 😂

As long as the rogue decks werent Branded, im chill 😂. Branded is like the worst gatekeeper of rogue decks vs Snake Eyes

​@@traplover6357cope, branded forever

​@@Saixjacket what do you play in replace of Kashtira cards?

@@michaellin295 im pretty much maining the crossout designators and playing staples and or non engine at lower numbers. 3x designator (since the best decks are running over 12 non engine staples these days so you have to fight fire with fire playing combo) 3x ECON (if you’re not playing this you are missing out) 3x ash (could be 2) 3x book of moon (obvious side deck choice that I like personally, this could be anything for a matchup or crossout targets, 2x nib 1x veiler or something) 1x droll and lock 1x imperm (could be 2) 1x called by the grave I’m not saying don’t play the planets or kash cards, because they are good, just more droll and lock bird weakness, which the deck suffers under worse than any other. The main deck core is pretty standard, no terraforming or reframing, those cards basically do nothing (reframing is fine if you are going first, I’m not assuming I’m winning the die roll) 2x visas 3x samsara 3x rium 3x Reich 3x meek 2x arrival 2x abscission 1x imaginings 1x ROTA 3x calarium 2x reichphobia

In a “high performance” setting it’s usually better to know who to gun for. That’s the norm and kinda the point. That doesn’t mean I don’t see your point because I’m in the same boat of enjoying the variety. On the other side it feels like the biggest target is snake eyes so idk if this meta is really that diverse. Point being we all want to the enjoy the game

You're speaking from more of a casual setting which is completely valid, but in higher level play having a ton of decks being good makes it hard to learn the matchups of all the decks

He also has a money sink in the form of a literal child 🎉

@@saraakthefgomaster7694that too plus the home remodel problems

​@@saraakthefgomaster7694 Parents prefer to use the term "Accepted loss leaders" or "High Risk Investment" since "money sink" has such a negative connotation.

@@saraakthefgomaster7694 i tend to call them "missplays"

​@@saraakthefgomaster7694calling a child a money sink is wild 😂

They do something when it would make them money

Most of Pepe's primary problem cards were mostly commons and/or uncommon cards that almost anyone could have gotten their hands on. That's why Konami took action. Because if they let PEPE go on as long as they're letting decks like Snake Eyes go, then it would screw over sales of future cards

@tonberry2670 you nailed it. It also makes them way more money to release over powered high rarity cards and reprint way after the fact then once they've made their money then they limit a lotta the stuff. Idk why these yugisoomers just keep cracking open these packs. These players think Konami care about the state of the game?! Ha biggest copium ever

And that's exactly why Snake Eye won't get hit

Honestly, Konami TCG should just burn so that both formats are unified. Waiting 6 monts/a year to get the stuff OCG plays with already just so Konami TCG can make a profit by looking at what's topping overseas and bumping up those cards' rarity is fucking cringe. And the banlist is different because this delay in product release would end up with cards getting limited/banned before hitting TCG stores. You'd think they'd be fast to hit broken cards on the banlist if a deck has been tier 0 for six months in OCG already. But no, they let it slide for like three banlists to sell as many packs as possible, unless the tier 0 archetype is low rarity and you don't need to open that much to build a deck. Konami TCG is a literal parasite to the game

The issue with wide formats in Yu-Gi-Oh is that all of the decks in a wide format each operate on an exceedingly different, unfun axis that usually ends in some flavour of "draw the out". Mannadium, Centurion, Branded, Drytron and 30 different stun decks are common and expected in a wide format, all win the game immediately and all require different outs to beat. IshTear, while a tier 0 format, was infinitely more fun and accommodating to rogue decks than some wide formats

@@Rotomingtonactually wrong in all possible ways, wide formats allow more decks to be playable, more fun for anyone who doesn’t want to just play the same game billion times over and over and it actually takes away silver bullets witch makes non games by just winning by themselves, it can even bring more casuals and new players, everything about wide formats is better

​@@Lizz413You contradicted yourself I your own response. Personally I like a little variety ie 2-4 decks being meta viable with some rouge under it over wide formats because I find it fun to play against the same decks over and iver so that I can learn to play efficiently vs them and for my opponent to play efficiently vs me. In wide formats it feels like the level of play goes down due to people needing to either tech in certain cards in their side board because they might run into something making it so I don't ever need to play around things and people don't have as much practice my deck so sometimes you just get someone because they didnt know your deck can do that. You can't say everything is better in wide formats when the subject of fun is well, subjective.

@@anthonyrodriguez9232you are getting low end ratiod my guy 😂

@@Saixjacket ??? wth are you talking about. You are just yapping lol

@distortedilluminations1328 Facts dude. Remember when Jeff Leonard Exodia’d someone at YCS? I’m pretty sure the opponent was smiling the entire time.

okay, but people hate a ton of decks that could win a YCS that format though. The only good thing about the format is it does have a bit of variety, R-ACE, Pure or Unchained Lab, Unchained, Pure or Horus Tear, Infernoble, Branded Despia or Chimera, Purrely (Spright), Fire King, Centurion, Vanquish Soul, Dragon Link, Rikka, Kashtira, Runick variants, Mikanko, Mannadium, Floowandereeze. Not to mention rouge decks that sometimes top that might have potential. However, even though these decks might play differently, for a lot of people, they just aren't fun to play against. Edit: btw, the reason I don't group decks like plant piles with rogue decks is because they somehow somewhat consistently top.

@@acasualgameryt6978 Plants consistently top because people forget to consistently prep for it, I think.

Being able to play through any unknown chaos is what makes a player/deck good imo

@@Bergsen_Bun-sense There is a reason why when people talk about how diverse formats are good, they talk about a format from years ago (like TOSS or HAT) instead of the one just happened a few months ago. because it would make their arguments look bad. Here are some of their complaints: + Tear is one of the top decks in that format. + Out of all the top decks, only Unchained is bearable. + Toxic decks like Infernoble were complained about by top players. Pak said he hated the format because of this, so he said he would become the problem. Josh also agreed with him, even saying that if he didn't go first against Pak, he would lose. + Overwhelming to side. This never got talked enough. When I ask people who like diverse formats why they hate this one, some said it is because Tear is one of the top decks. Then why wouldn't they just side a lot of their cards against Tear? Oh wait, they can’t. If they did that, how can they prepare for other decks? Despite shitting on pros for having the sentiment that they don’t like overwhelming diversity, people share the same sentiment that that format was bad.

The Venn diagram based on smell alone can tell you that some Yugioh players just want the game to be Melee.

Competitive players are out of touch with casual that's all

@@axelt6312it goes both ways imo and i say this as a heavily casual player there needs to be a happy medium but i don’t see that happening any time soon i love having fun games with less meta stuff but at the same time i understand people liking the highly competitive aspects of the game i think the problem comes in when it comes to affordability i stopped playing because i can’t afford to keep up with the game

The silent hill situation all over again.

@@randombadchannel8700 "There are no Silent Hills in Ko-Na-mi." 🙂

That sounds pretty fun.

Actually interesting meta without it

@@MrJasonful Not sarcasm, genuine interest. What are the top decks without it? And what other interesting rogue decks come out?

@nharviala probably voiceless voice and maybe Kashtira?

​@@nharvialaSince snake eyes isn't there I'd expect less anti grave cards so maybe tiaraments strongest. maybe?

The Canadian bit yeah, actual comedy 😂

But tear was fun

@@thatoneguy4101 For some people, but even MBT, who championed that format, got bored after a while. The format can be fun, but the reason we're here and not playing chess is for variety.

Meanwhile I am enjoying playing blue eyes

@@thatoneguy4101tear wasn’t fun. I don’t know how playing solitaire and not letting someone play the game at all just off of 1 or two cards is fun. Tear was the worst format and caused a lot of people to stop playing. On top of the ugly card art tear was a horrible format.

The answer against tear is... Nope. When they got to tier 0 Lithium tested it full power vs Ishizu tear. Even with poor hands tear sweeped the floor of fire king snake eye. Against zoodiac... I expect it to end on "who see better non engine" since both are fairly similar. Probably snake eye would win cause they can play through more hand traps than zoo.

Lithium did no banlist FK-SE vs Ishizu Tear, with the former having advantage in form of Maxx C. Snake-Eye lost all 3 games.

The shufflers alone just kill snake eyes. Full power Ishizu Tear would body snake eyes

Finally scientist FTK

They can't beat tear because all of their removal besides sp is destruction based The zoo matchup could be interesting since both decks play like 20 non engine, are extremely resilient to hand traps and have insane followup I don't see snake eye breaking a board of udf and dweller, and zeus turbo isn't getting to zeus against both masq into sp and princess Zoo can be played with basically any other archetype though and can run shifter, the latter would probably make the match a lot less fun then it should be

it was a split in the community, where people (mostly top players) claimed they wanted the format to be closer to tier 0 than have 10+ decks be viable, with the argument that they didn't want to have to be ready for that many different decks. The rest of the folks were saying "no, that's not all that fun, we play yugioh for variety" As you can see, snake eye/fire kings have basically demonstrated that people _do not_ like tier 0 as much as they thought they would, since this is arguably the 3rd tier 0 format in as many years, and unlike the "variety" formats, people are pretty much dropping like flies out of this one.

And how was it? I hope it was good because it's fucking useless now, isn't it?

I personally would *much* rather wider formats than a tier zero format any day of the week. Not that they are necessarily better, but for the love of the heart of the cards, let me play against *some* variety.

Fan run maybe but please anything but smogon-esque

The cost is mostly due to the fact that the ocg cards get printed at lower rarities.

Maxx C destroys Snake Eyes

People playing solitaire on my turn: ❌️ Snakey bois who just dont die: ✅️

I’d stay with tearshisu but that’s a pet deck thing

@@aidenharris5296 It's not old enough nor unpopular enough to be considered a "pet deck".

@@Cybertech134 no tearshisu isn’t my pet deck my pet deck just goes extends with return to hand effects which makes it counter teirsisu in a way

@@aidenharris5296 Ah, I know what you mean by that. My pet deck was Crystron during the first Sky Striker era cause their link arrows were fair and allowed me to keep making big synchro plays as well as the trap giving targeting protection.

Nux Taku p sure

I too wish to hedge my bets while gambling with rocks. Unlock the block

Unban kitkallos, release agido-kelbek and shufflers. Surely this will change the meta (clueless)

Or just bring back vfd and zexal so no one has any fun

We know why alot of stuff has gotten effected, gotta sell thoese packs! Which is just terrible because the shufflers could keep snake eyes in check because you just loop there stuff back into the deck thereby stopping any form of interaction just enough. But hey can't have that gotta tier 0 pack selling!

honestly while unlikely that would be a unconventional strategy that could work create a new triangle format

Idk i think it's more the fact they don't play the deck but you tell me

The meta decks are the ones running the Floodgates, do you even play this game??

@@MobiusMundUr Ya but look when those cards become more relevant, when people play these meta decks get more and more ridiculous and they are always the pricy decks. No one played deck lockout, no one played summon limit, no one played these floodgates as heavy and no one complains more about them than meta sheep

@@FireDragon3131 playing a rogue deck doesn't protect you from getting Floodgated. Playing a meta deck doesn't prevent you from using Floodgates. Having an expensive deck doesn't magically mean you're not allowed use Floodgates. They negatively impact the cheaper decks too.

@@MobiusMundUr who said any of this, stick to what i am saying. I am saying ya floodgates are a thing and hit everyone, but people who spend 3k on a meta deck will complain more because their decks get beat by a $1 card than the rogue player who didn't spend much on their deck. You are playing rogue, you already know you may not be able to play against the best deck most of the time. Meta players never expect they are going to lose because their decks can make all these negates and stuff and they lose to a single card. I tell them cry about it, they see how it feels to be locked out by a single card. Do i think floodgates are healthy, nope, but i also don't think these modern decks are healthy for the game either especially when they don't get hit as often till a year or two later when the next 3k deck comes and we get 3 years of it instead

No, people just leave the hame because its not fun to play, cards are expensive, and your whole deck can get banned/nered into unplayability with no warning. Just because it happened before, doesn't make it ok

Agreed. I don’t know why people think being blindsided is fun.

It's called skill. If your good at the game and your deck doesn't matter what your playing with you can adapt and win no matter what. And wanting a format that's chess ain't it.

Awful take. Skill issue

@@Pliskin88 cept it is a skill issue if you can't handle more then 2 decks, this isn't about 'drawing the out' or anything this is literally a 'if you can't prep yourself enough for a high level event to throw curveballs at you' then it is a litteral skill issue

Womp womp

Tops don't make you correct about how the game should be, only that you've become efficient at how the game is.