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Fast Charge Battery-Electric Train Trial 

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Currently underway (June 2024) are trials of a battery - electric train that uses fast charging technology.
To simulate a real-world application this test train shadows the West Ealing - Greenford diesel passenger service, stopping at stations etc but it is not carrying passengers.
The train re-uses former London Underground District line D78 stock - the District line being one of the London Transport services which dates from the steam train era and uses subsurface rolling stock which is approximately the same size as main line trains. (This means that it is NOT a 'tube train').
More About Fast Charging
The reason for the trial is to see if battery technology can offer a viable alternative solution for services on lightly used routes which (to reduce air pollution and generally make more attractive to passengers) would benefit from electrification but for which the traditional forms of overhead wire or third rail power supply systems will not be financially viable
The fast charging issue is important because traditionally the weight and daily travel range of the batteries has proven to be significant drawbacks. Fast charge battery systems have already been found successful on some bus and tram / streetcar / light rail networks, The benefits of fast charge technology include:
*carrying fewer batteries (hence less weight)
*the ability to extend the daily range - instead of relying on one overnight charge.
It is usual to carry out fast charging during layovers when the vehicle is stationary - such as at the route terminus. The bus industry coined the phrase 'opportunity charging' which derives from the ability to give the batteries a top-up charge where and when the opportunity arises ... all that is needed is a battery charging facility.
Note that this is not the only form of public transport battery charging - some railway services use trains that can collect power from the fixed infrastructure (typically overhead wires) where these are available and travel in battery mode when on non-electrified routes. This mimics a trolleybus technology that is used in many towns and cities overseas called 'in-motion charging'

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@MetroTitanD78
@MetroTitanD78 12 дней назад
I bet when you did all those videos back in the early 90s with D stock in you never imagined you'd ever do a video quite like this.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
It might have crossed some people's minds that these would end up on the Isle of Wight, especially as other UndergrounD trains were being used there. However, neither I nor anyone else would have thought that these trains would have been converted to battery power and given second lives on branch lines. As for making videos and placing them on RU-vid, back in the early 1990s we did not even have the Internet, so the concept of RU-vid would have been in the realms of Sci-fi. But we did have companies like Blockbuster who hired out video films and there were companies like Online Video making / selling videos of Underground trains.
@Bakerloo-Line-Fan
@Bakerloo-Line-Fan 10 дней назад
D stock RETURNED TO LONDON
@DavidShepheard
@DavidShepheard 9 дней назад
It's nice to have some of the D Stock trains back in London, but the government needs to just fund overhead electrification anywhere that does not already have third rail. Let's not turn "battery trains" into the 21st century stop-gap that creates multiple electrification deserts that force freight companies to run diesel freight trains.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
They need to electrify the East-West route with OHLE asap.
@MetroTitanD78
@MetroTitanD78 12 дней назад
I hope this is a huge success and we get to see D Stock in places like Cornwall and in Bristol (should they ever do a Metro). The St Ives Branch would be perfect to test these as well as make full use of their London Underground seating layout especially in the summer months.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
I share your hopes, this would indeed be an excellent outcome.
@AndrewG1989
@AndrewG1989 7 дней назад
Perhaps Great Western Railway might introduce the Class 230 on the Windsor & Eton Central, Maidenhead-Bourne End/Marlow and Twyford-Henley-on-Thames. And perhaps use them on the Reading-Basingstoke line.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 4 дня назад
yes, that is very possible - it all depends on the decisions made by the civil servants who run our nationalised railways
@AndrewG1989
@AndrewG1989 2 дня назад
⁠Indeed
@wizardgherkin
@wizardgherkin 12 дней назад
quite incredible. The gear looks really easy to install (in the sense that there aren't any bits that need to be craned into position) as well so this could be a no-brainer for achieving net zero train travel on diesel lines!
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
It's a bit weedy that the charging train can't take passengers. Why not? They must test it with a full load on.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 4 дня назад
for the full load they can use sandbags on the seats!
@Khaledamrouche11710
@Khaledamrouche11710 2 дня назад
i seen that in west ealing
@wclifton968gameplaystutorials
@wclifton968gameplaystutorials 12 дней назад
Wouldn't it have been easier and cheaper if Network Rail just outsourced line maintenance to TfL and converted the route to 4th rail so that no installation of batteries on the D78 trains would be required?
@caramelldansen2204
@caramelldansen2204 12 дней назад
Conductor rail electrification is forbidden to create. The only lines that get to have it are those that already had it.
@itsthatsebguy93
@itsthatsebguy93 12 дней назад
That would be more expensive and disruptive. Besdies this is more of a proof of concept type thing.
@tenny_tenten
@tenny_tenten 10 дней назад
The ORR/Network Rail had banned any forms of railway lines built/converted with third/fourth rail electrification since i believe 2016/2017 without any kind of protection which would be "costly" hence the battery trains came into existence
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
Let's face it, that 3rd rail technology is fit for the museum. Like the steam trains before it, it has become expensive to operate because of energy transmission losses, and the obvious safety issue (mistaken approach) can't be eliminated.
@itsthatsebguy93
@itsthatsebguy93 12 дней назад
Still got that old D stock sound
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf 12 дней назад
Yeah sounds like DC
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
Yes! Once I realised this I made sure that viewers would be able to hear it too.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
I believe that the motors are the originals.
@Anonymoususer_2023
@Anonymoususer_2023 2 дня назад
Will Great Western Railway have few more Class 230s just to use them on the West Ealing-Greenford line. I mean they look so brand new and amazing.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus День назад
that remains to be seen - we can assume so but until it happens we will never know
@LucasTubeMapperGuy
@LucasTubeMapperGuy 10 дней назад
Yay it's trialing
@CurvedGD
@CurvedGD 11 дней назад
The question is: Will just stop oil like this or will they paint over it
@Lucas.Interests
@Lucas.Interests 11 дней назад
they'll probably paint over it cause they think it's a DMU
@stickynorth
@stickynorth 10 дней назад
But a splashy new Pollack paint job would probably look good on these!
@TheRealDope458
@TheRealDope458 9 дней назад
This kinda looks the class from the island line.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 7 дней назад
yes, the same type of train - former London Underground District line D stock
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 10 дней назад
The entire fleet of retired D stock are still in storage in the West country.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
Storage of trains and even whole train-classes has become a privatisation thing. In BR days, all the trains worked until retirement.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 4 дня назад
Only part of the D stock fleet was sold to Vivarail. As far as I'm aware, all of the UNDM (uncoupling non-driving motor cars) were scrapped. This amounts to almost a third of the fleet.
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 3 дня назад
@@CitytransportInfoplus Vivrail no longer exists. The program is entirely GWR.
@MervynPartin
@MervynPartin 11 дней назад
The testing programs seem to take forever and a day. I would have thought that passengers could be carried now, with a diesel train just kept in reserve for a month or two in case of failure. The battery technology looks like it is working well, so the only worries should be other faults with the Vivarail trains. The TfW trains have had problems with the diesel engine packs- not applicable here. The trains on the IoW have had excessive wheel wear which is really weird, but I don't know if there has been anything similar on the Greenford branch. Suggestions have been made that TfL should take over the line. As a conspiracy theorist, I would say that is just what they would like to do!🤣
@Denis.Collins
@Denis.Collins 11 дней назад
We know safety is a major concern, but whenever regulatory bodies scent the opportunity to make a mountain out of any task they go to it with gusto. Introduction of new Stadler trains delayed by three years while rail inspectorate found every single issue under the sun to raise concerns about and then some. Last year trains from Kings Cross were halted because of “cracking” in the train chassis. Only of course the only “cracking” was in the imagination of the inspectors.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
I think that the train is crewed by people from a different part of the railway industry - GWR train drivers have probably not even been trained to drive these. This alone would be enough to prevent passengers from being carried on this train - except perhaps as part of a special charter
@DavidShepheard
@DavidShepheard 9 дней назад
Re: "The testing programs seem to take forever and a day." It didn't help that the British Government allowed Vivarail to go into administration, instead of nationalising the company and renaming it "British Rail Engineering".
@DavidShepheard
@DavidShepheard 9 дней назад
@@Denis.Collins The Ladbrook Grove Disaster killed 31 passengers and injured another 417. There are no short cuts to safety. It's not pesky red tape. It stops people from getting killed. We are talking of large amounts of energy being rapidly pumped into batteries. That's something that has not been done before. It's probably safe, but people need to do lots of testing to make sure the batteries don't start to heat up and catch fire. The same sort of testing was done with Crossrail. The passengers who are going to be traveling on these trains deserve nothing less than a full test.
@RathmaBr
@RathmaBr 12 дней назад
Interesting...
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 10 дней назад
Overhead lines would have been far less expensive than the vast amount these repurposed units are costing.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
If they had a rolling programme of electrification gradually munching its way through the network, you are absolutely right. Isn't it obvious that the whole network will end up electrified? But they insist on a stop-start regime each time starting from scratch and reinventing the wheel which costs the taxpayer and the passengers quite unnecessary £ MILLIONS.
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 4 дня назад
@@1258-Eckhart Its as if the decision makers have a mandate to spend as much money s is humanly possible. With zero accountability.
@WildWildWeasel
@WildWildWeasel 11 дней назад
damn, the gammons up there will do anything to not build catenary infrastructure.
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
I think it's a Tory obsession, preservation of green belt, etc.
@markcf83
@markcf83 11 дней назад
The question I have is where will it be maintained at?
@bricksathome1
@bricksathome1 10 дней назад
Reading, afaik. The battery packs they’re fitted with can hold enough charge to comfortably take it the distance between Reading and West Ealing at the start & end of the day
@trainrover
@trainrover 10 дней назад
the REM could do with plain batteries .. stranded passengers first froze, and then had the ordeal of trudging off to the nearest stops (halts) through wicked ice and snow after finally being rescued .. very long distances between halts along the inter-suburban metro
@1258-Eckhart
@1258-Eckhart 4 дня назад
They need to electrify the East-West route with OHLE asap.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus День назад
Is the REM the new service in Montreal, Caanada? In the winter here we sometimes have snow and ice and it has happened that the trains become stranded because of snow / ice on the electric rails, with passengers then self-evacuating (ie :not waiting to be rescued - its illegal but they do it anyway) and walking along the tracks, even though touching the live rail will likely kill them
@Faulty720
@Faulty720 6 дней назад
Shame they've been fitted with DOO cameras.
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus День назад
I suppose they need these cameras
@Faulty720
@Faulty720 День назад
@@CitytransportInfoplus platform staff and/or guards are better though :)
@jubeleesimon3100
@jubeleesimon3100 12 дней назад
Hopefully they make a long awaited return to ealing browdway
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
As Ealing Broadway has better interchange options it would be better for the passengers if the shuttle trains returned to it, but now that a brand new dedicated bay platform has been built at West Ealing returning to Ealing Broadway seems unlikely.
@jubeleesimon3100
@jubeleesimon3100 10 дней назад
@@CitytransportInfopluswell at least they reunited with the central line at Greenford, good to see the D and 1992 stock back together
@stickynorth
@stickynorth 10 дней назад
I hope this takes off as a diesel-killing technology much the same way coal has been phased out in a lot of places for ANYTHING else... PM 2.5 and all the other nasty stew of cancer-causing chemicals need to be removed from public transport networks ASAP since the pollution disproportionally affects the very riders it carries in many a case! Electric or bust!
@DavidShepheard
@DavidShepheard 9 дней назад
We need a rolling program of electrification, with stuff like this filling in the gaps until the more important places are all electrified and branch lines can be done.
@MrGriser
@MrGriser 12 дней назад
When will it start carrying passengers?
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
I asked that question to one of the train drivers. He thought that an enthusiasts special might happen, but did not know when - if at all - this train will enter full passenger service.
@oforid2227
@oforid2227 9 дней назад
what's with the Crew Members only door?
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus День назад
sorry but I did not get to see inside at that part of the trains, so have no idea.
@eastlancsesteem
@eastlancsesteem 12 дней назад
The great western way indeed
@CitytransportInfoplus
@CitytransportInfoplus 11 дней назад
There was a time when the GWR did indeed do things its way - irrespective of what other railways did. Nowadays however everything is very heavily controlled by London civil servants so there is less scope for the individual train operating companies to make any decisions of their own.
@MrSmith1984
@MrSmith1984 12 дней назад
Sorry to say this, but it would make much more sense to fully electrify the line and hand it over to London Overground.
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf 11 дней назад
We don’t want 710s on this line way too long to fit at all stops on the line maybe 3 car 378s instead or LU
@MrSmith1984
@MrSmith1984 11 дней назад
@@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf Nothing stopping the platforms from being extended to allow for 4-Car Class 710s (which are only 34 meters longer than the units currently on trial) though.
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf 11 дней назад
@@MrSmith1984 If that is done this where is the 230s going to? Plus I Prefer the 230s Vs the 710s bc the 230s are like the D stock but Modded to go on railway line outside the 4th rail and they sound better like the D stock wish they did Modify the A and C stock trains before they were scrapped.
@MrSmith1984
@MrSmith1984 11 дней назад
@@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf Well, they can either be converted to Class 484's (& sent to the Island Line) or be withdrawn altogether (they are 45 years old at this point). And regardless, the 710s are more suitable stock for this line than the 230s.
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf
@SpongeBob2010-mw9xf 11 дней назад
@@MrSmith1984 Maybe LO should get the 319s to operate on this line instead of the 710s so that the DC line gets more trains and how can the 710s get to it anyways?
@hasana1051
@hasana1051 11 дней назад
Haha they almost look brand new
@ethmister
@ethmister 10 дней назад
They are basically built ground up and the GWR livery is good at hiding age
@davidwebb4904
@davidwebb4904 10 дней назад
These trains use the same exact batteries that are in e-scooters, which are banned on these trains…..
@allangibson8494
@allangibson8494 8 дней назад
But with actual charge management hardware that the scooters never had installed… That stops the battery overheating…
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