I still think Craig deserves some credit. He was made technical advisor for the first two FF movies and he had to fight for his R34 to be in the second movie instead of a Neon SRT. If Craig wasn’t involved, neither would his cars. So yes Craig does deserve his fair share of credit for the price hike.
You’re damn right they did! I was THIS close to buying a 2001 R34 GT-R from Garage Defend in Japan for $114,000 but I bought a house instead… Good investment but my heart still hurts a bit. 😩
I've been playing Gran Turismo since the original on ps1. For me, its the R32 that always had my heart. I love the R34, but the R32 is just better imo. And the Supra didn't really catch my attention until the 1st FnF movie, but only as an introduction to it. Never wanted to build one FnF style. I always liked the Redux style, or Top Secret Smokey Nagata style Supras. Did FnF influence current prices? Yes. But I don't think it was a major significance in difference if it hadn't. Like you said, most of us grew up learning about jdm legends before the movies came. The movies, more than anything, was influenced to exist because the jdm tuner scene already existed and was growing big.
I remember playing Gran Tourismo, and one race called for a car class I didn't have. So I found a custom car that I didn't know and soon fell in love with it. Ofcourse I had only the writing on it to tell me what it was. So, before I knew what a Skyline was I always called it a "Tommy Kaira". There begun the GTR obsession.
I remember that model! And you also unlocked a memory for me. I was introduced to Supra before FnF. The GT-500 (JGTC) Castrol Supra! When you said decals, it came to me lol
Like you said, FnF did well because the cars in them were already popular, although they did help make them appeal to a wider audience. The movies themselves didn't influence prices that much or we would have seen prices skyrocket when the movies came out in 2001-2003, instead it's only been the last 5 years that prices have blown up. So what has happened over the last 5 years... social media usage maybe?
Did F&F play a role in the rising prices of Supra's and GTR's? Definitely. Was it the sole reason though? Absolutely not. It's a combination of things as Craig and other people have said really. Compared to say DMC DeLoreans, these two cars had something more going for it than appearing in a pop culture media. Mind you, this is coming from some random dude who thinks that they're a bit overrated but i still like them anyways.
Thing is with the DeLorean, the supply did eventually meet the demand. Now don’t quote me on this, but if you look it up, there is a factory in the U.S. that builds them in recent years.
In the UK, try buying a classic Ford. MK1 and 2 Escorts, Sierra Cosworths... they make Supra's look cheap. And, no. They weren't stars in the FnF movies. Like you say Craig, it's just supply and demand. 👍
When I was importing my jzx100 chaser the importer I was using to inspect cars was lost for words at some of the prices the chasers were fetching at auction. "They are a cheap drift car" Now days chaser have risen up in popularity that importing a manual one into australia can set you back upwards of $50,000. I believe that exposure from RU-vid has made them more well known and now good old supply and demand has kicked in
Before money printer started going bbbrrrrrrr when COVID started I was actually on track to purchase a R34 GTR through Garage Defend. Of course it was a non-Vspec version, but I was looking at around 70k for the car. By Fall 2020 I pretty much gave up on that plan when they were now going for over 100k.
300ZX is a great alternative if the other two are already out of reach. Had in period accolades every year of its production by the major pubs here in the States…still gorgeous, timeless styling too.
Same for the SC300. Essentially it’s a Supra with a Soarer body and a Lexus interior. Now that everyone knows the early engines are as well built as the TT engines and love boost, the prices are starting to rise.
Shit considering how a 70 charger that was $3500 msrp and now is worth $50k+ id say the inflation values now of supras and gtrs considering their low production numbers are perfectly fair and actually kind of amazing. Also i purchased my 280z because i watched wangan midnight lol
@@dawicked2k8 thanks, I bought the first one in 2006 (TT) and held on to it. The second one I bought in 2018, there was a deal on a 5 speed that I couldn’t pass up.
100% agree, although I'm a bit confused by your numbers, Craig. Your Supra count is US only (1993-1998) but the GTR is the global count? What about the 1998-2002 JDM Supras? I'm curious how they factor in. I do know that with the 25 year rule over there, a lot of our Australian Supras are heading off-shore, which is fine by me as it only makes Aussie Supras more rare (ie: less supply). I just saw a "rare" 2002 Yellow Aero go for about $80k here in Australia. Apparently it was "1 of 1". Anyway, personally I've owned mine since 2005 and I'm not selling it as it's worth more to me than I would ever make selling it anyway. Pretty sure it's the only fully working modified Tiptronic Supra in the world.
There will aways be overhyping in this scene. But it doesnt affect that much. What about old Chargers ? The 69-70s models were famous way before FnF, Dukes of Hazzard so to speak. Its just when a car is good and rare it will always become really expensive.
@@tinystar3010the red one 1 in the prelude, I remember that. Many didn't watch it though, and they introduced the Nissan thats why it didn't get any clout.
Great video. I'm going to be honest, the Fast and Furious did play a big part for me purchasing my Supra. I was 11 years old when I saw that movie, dreamed of owning one since then, and it is still one of my favorite movies to this day. At 29 I bought my 94 LHD turbo 6 speed targa top (targa/sport roof was a must for me) on June of 2019 for $40,000. It's not low mileage (140,000) or one owner anything crazy, but the prices definitely are going up. I'm one that will never sell no matter what the prices go to, just love having it.
Same here bro, except for me it was the FD RX-7 and it was NFS Underground instead (although I still watched & loved F&F around the same time). I managed to snap up an FD last year before the prices got stupid. I'm quite a bit younger too, I bought the FD 2 months before my 25th birthday. Feels surreal to have finally achieved it ❤ The prices are going insane for everything JDM, but like you I don't ever want to sell mine, so the "investment" side of things is futile 😅
Umm I see it like this. Rich shop rich, I do not see the masses of the rich spending 100k plus on mass produced cars. Unlike super cars that are usually only have 100 unit run. The GTR, Supra, RX-7, and many more JDM brands were done in the thousand's. Sooo why the interest I feel it's the greed machine being what it is. Anything of interest now get played like it's a stock, the rich are just using them as investment nothing more. Craig hell this post just added 10k to any sale lol. No common guy can or would spend a mortgage to get a 20 year old car, the parts, or anything associated with JDM skyline supra tax, increase in import cost, all parts now marked up 200% plus or on back order?? Yes the car is over hyped it's a 20 year old mass produced car. It was never a super car. It beat many of the era, but todays sports car can give them a run. I own an R34 it's a sedan but its a skyline. I've swapped it to 370z manual, RB26 ITB intake, single turbo, when I get done I will post a pic somewhere to let everyone see. I paid 4600 Can. I can't lose money anywhere with this car. The body on it was amazing. Anyway I love the car, but I hate the rich playing on any interest of the common man and screwing them over, and over. Rinse repeat. OH!! anyone have rice krispies???
said " I feel it's the greed machine being what it is. " If you owned a house and wanted to sell in an up market, would you cut the asking price in half so as not to be greedy?
@@bobroberts2371 Honestly even the house market has become inflated in rural areas. But to answer your question I would like a reasonable profit not insane. But you must think guys nuts. No I just don't value money as much as most. I value trust, respect, honesty. Which in this "moving world" is becoming very scarce. If I could make 100% profit, but at the hardship of another then no I'm a 40% profit. I make money and the other side now has funds for reno's. Profit is great but I don't need to be a millionaire.
I learned of the gtr on Gran Turismo 1. It was the r33 that I first seen. Same with the fd rx7. My dad had an fb but I had never seen an fd on the road at the time. The movie made me realize how heavy the street racing scene was but it had very little impact on my want and knowledge of the supra and skyline. Like you said gt1 and 2 were out sooner and in my opinion had more of an effect.
The Supra Mk 4 was produced until 2002 actually just how the 300ZX Z32 was produced from 1986 to 2000, in Japan of course so any post 1999 Mk4 Supra or 300ZX would be genuine JDM. I think the economy too is a factor. Asia had the 1997 crash and it affected the region with Japan's bubble that's already bursted. People spend less and demands become less so many iconic JDMs were ended production in the 2000's and 2F2F was shot when Nissan rolling out the last remaining R34 GT-Rs from the factory. Production ended nearly 20 years ago, skyrocketing demand and fast dwindling supply, the price will just going up and up and some conmen will take a GTT and covert it into a faux GT-R and con the life savings out of those who couldn't contain the nostalgia.
For me F&F are why I like these cars. So much of the storyline was wrapped up in the individual cars. Gran Turismo featured so many others mostly eg Mazda Mitsubishi and Honda.
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Something will always be worth what someone's willing to pay. The GPU (graphics cards) market reflects that. Selling for 3 times 4 times msrp because of supply and demand issues. The MK4 is a timeless beautiful car, and not many people own one and don't recognize their value.
ummm did anyone notice he showed initial d footage and didnt even mention it. no the movies had no impact on these cars.. pretty simple...more people were bought into the honda/mitsubishi world doing front wheel drive replicas. there cars are sold as they are now getting old and both came from factory awesome.. 2j? 1000hp on a stock bottom end.. and an R34 just mint. so wheres the hype about rx7s? seems craig is only interested on his lost and past memories and wants some more recognition, i mean hey this is the guy who was the "technical supervisor for the cars" so all the cringiness automotive words twisted and obscene mods shown.. all got approved buy someone? Im from australia where theres more JDM and cars and actually RHD like they came from the factory not LHD conversions.. hes got some stories but hearing numbers and how he advertises products "i hate washing/cleaning my car - but heres this cleaning product" how do you know its good if you hate using it? i think any part of a rev heads life (automotive enthusiast) should take pride and enjoy washing and detailing a car its part of the joy.. anyway starting to think he likes the sound of his own voice, sure hes got some knowledge but seems more like a money man than a hands on guy more and more.. my 2 cents.. just an opinion.
1993 Car And Driver Magazine. When they did they comparison with the C4 Corvette, MK4 A80 Supra, 300ZX, Porsche', 3000GT Also ,Everyone likes to talk about 1993 A80 Supras (which I give credit to the A80 in general. However.). Anyways. Between the Supra A80 Turbo and C4 Corvette, it was CLOSE. The Supra got it beat, however not by much. And on the flipside, while the Corvette in the Price-As-Tested Range was over 41000, the Supra A80's was over 43000. While the Base Price of the C4 Corvette was few thousand dollars LESS (at over 35000) than the Supra's price range of over 40000 dollars.
I have the honor of owning two Supra's. Owned a Super Red 4 1993 Supra SZ from 2007 to 2010, bought it for £3500 then modified and done a BPU and converted her to an RZ twin turbo fully loaded running at near 400bhp, had full Bomex body kit, TRD Bonnet, 18' gun metal deep dish OZ alloys, greddy 4 core intercooler, apexi air filter, apexi afc neo, blitz boost controller, custom straight through exhaust system, blitz gauges, tein super street adjustable suspension, tein front and rear strut bars, Momo steering racing wheel, momo pedal from I bought when I went to Japan, it was a beast. Then October 2010 some silly lady forced me to go off the road to avoid her and I went into a concrete central reservation because the lady was too stupid to see me coming as she obstructed the middle of the road and was meant to wait in the side road until I went passed but hey thats a story I want to forget. Fact is cosmetically the red supra I had was written off but I took it to my friends garage stripped everything off it, took time off to recover. I luckily found a Gloss Black Supra SZ a month later for £2k and transfered EVERYTHING that was on the red one into the Black one, so since 2010 I still own the black supra, currently putting on a bodykit consisting of rear Bomex spats, Blitz side skirts and Do-Luck front bumper, looking forward to it all being completed.
The F&F movies sewed the seeds of JDM cars in the people who are buying them now as adults. Just like 60s muscle cars in the 00s, its a bubble. 80s and 90s JDM cars will never be cheap again, but their prices will eventually calm down. I'm hoping that R32 GTST prices become more competitive once more R34s are imported to the US.
TBH is not just Supras and GTRs, any 90's and 00's "tuner" kind of cars are creeping up in value, partly because they're great platforms for young drivers that like to tinker them, partly because media, be games, movies, whatever, have been showing them and making us love them, and finally because they're not that much in nice shape
I've had the pleasure of driving all generations of GT-Rs and the R35 is by far the best so imho the pricing of the 34 is waaaay out of line. For me it's nostalgia for sure and I have the funds to get one, I just won't. Not unless it's below the 6 figure mark. Just won't happen. Same goes for the Supra. They're not worth what they're going for imho. In fact, I bought my E92 335i xDrive because it out performs the R34 by quite the margin. Doesn't have the nostalgia value, but it looks better and has more build capability.
There was actually just a bit over 40000 mk4 supras worldwide, that 11000 is just for the US market which were actually sold there brand new, r34 gtr was never sold in the US brand new so I cannot understand why the price of a locally delivered car (supra) is so over inflated when there was never any need to pay import charges/shipping/taxes, when the 25 year rule is applicable for the mk4 a80 supra there will almost be an over abundance of them to be purchased from Japan unlike the r34 gtr which there will only ever be 11000 or in your estimation 9000 left.
I'm these speaking the truth. These 2 cars aren't worth that kinda of money whatsoever. In stock forum they are kinda junk. You need to mod it in some way to make it enjoyable for modern standards. You can get way more car for WAY less money elsewhere. When I was younger I loved these imports because that was when 2fast2furious came out and people marked EVERY import as ricers. So the cool people was buying Euro cars or American cars. So all good name imports was down. An you can get a A+ car for $5000.00. Now at $5k these imports were crazy cars and buys. But now like $15k for a beated out import that was never taken care of and you can't get ANY OEM parts for so you have to deal with some azz clown on ebay that would mail out parts to you damaged and then say threats about you because he has a prison life information what all has happened to me. Is it worth it You can get a 1960s fastback mustang and still get parts for it easily an rebuild car if needed. Because you're working with metal and not plastic. What's funny that I mentioned that because Craig recently did a video and even on the cover picture of the front fiberglass bumper not even fitting when the people paid top dollar
Gtr r32 when built to its full potential i have a 1989 nissan skyline N1 block HKS 2.8L stroker with hks step 3 setup;) I'm getting a samsonas transmission just waiting 4 someone to get ahold of me about my shipping time and my transfer case setup
I remember before F&F you could buy turbo Supra 6 speeds for 9-14k all day long. By comparison that was the price of a 1-2 year old Turbo awd DSM, or Jeep Grand Cherokee v8.
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Looking thru couple of jdm garages that export these skylines or supras i said forget it. If you spend $200k on r34 unless u incredibly wealthy not just rich but wealthy that is a stupid super bad investment if you a average joe.
F&F played a role but so did the Supras short life span and low sales in the US making it somewhat rare and nearing classic status (pending on state) some states are 25 yrs mine is 30yrs, and the skyline not making it to us soil. So demand plays a huge role as well. For some people it was from F&F, me i Was a fan of the skyline before F&F came out because of Tokyo xtreme racer on Dreamcast and gran turismo series. And F&F made me love em more seeing them in Real life form and in recent markets over the last few years has me kicking my own ass as I should have bought this one mkiv supra I seen at a used car dealer for 8k yea it was NA, sad thing younger me probably wouldn't have kept it and still kick my own ass 😅 but if I could time travel today me would go back and buy it and preserve it 😅
Way overpriced. I would rather spend the money on a 911 GT3 then a R34 to have updated technology but then again I really love the look of the R34 GTR and hands down is my favorite style.
I think you forgot to include that manual cars are far and few in todays market and in general any automobile that gives you that manual "Experiance" is going up in value/demand ie the difference between an R-34 vs an R-35
Merry Christmas happy holidays Craig to you and family and thank you again for all your hard work on Fast and Furious franchise and giving us the cars we love. Also thank you for taking us on supra build too. 🚗 🎄.
Overpriced! They were never overhyped... If look into best motoring japan tuner scene... Mines gtr34 Amuse supra Both were cult tuner car... And outside usa, people have been playing,admiring,tuning those jdm legends since beginning... So whatever hype level in usa, multiply it by tue world population... Hence the demands never been enough for those car people worldwide... BUT! The biggest price jump is definately caused by 25years import rules that almost applied to over 70% country worldwide... Even worse on usa because apart from motorex gtr, there is none other gtr on the road... On other country like malaysia,australia,new zealand and uk, we got them from almost new imported trough grey importer under "reconditioned car" rules... So the most recent price jump mostly caused by usa demands opens up from that 25ears import rules... And its affecting price worldwide 😢
What effect do you think the R34s becoming legal to import in 2024 will have on the values? Same question for the Supra even though they were made here?
I’ve seen one 90s model Supra and have yet to see a R34 but I have seen a R33. the crazy thing is I’ve been all over to several different car shows and yet I’ve only ever seen one mark 4 Supra in my life. I’m sure I’ll run into another one one day or even a R34 but who knows. While I have the desire to own one of these cars I doubt I’ll ever get the chance as by the time I’d have that kind of money they’ll be so expensive and hard to find that even if I somehow got one it wouldn’t be worth doing anything with.
I believe we will hit peak Supra / GTR prices in about 8-10 years. At that point mid 90’s to early 00’s teenagers will be hitting their late 40’s to mid 50’s which will be prime time for mid-life crisis purchases.
Yeah Id have to agree Gran Turismo is the culprit not FnF. Supras were only available for a few years in the USA so there is very few to go around. The Skyline was never available here and since it is of age to import the entire world can now get these so it is the .
im sure the 1st 2 movies didnt make the supra any cheaper, im positive that didnt help, the issue is i dont think there is any gtrs or supras are out there for sale, not any worth while. its the truth, never mind the movie car :) one can. only wish.
Craig the reason they say it's the movies fault is because those cars were largely ignored and prices were getting lower and lower, then all the kids who watched the movies and grew up and got their license they all wanted these cars. I called it back in early 2000's after watching the film. Then add in the boom of the tuner scene after the movie and hey presto. As soon as the 15 year rule for Canada and the 25 year rule for the U.S. kicked in that's when I see the prices in Japan starting to sky rocket, and then you have people buying them over there and storing them there until they are old enough to import for however many years when those cars would have come to the UK at a quarter of the price previously. Then add in the illegal u.s. imports that will all be getting crushed soon and we will see the prices rise even more as there will be even fewer cars left.
If you have a show and display car now. Once the 25 year rule comes into effect does that mean you can now drive the car as much as you want since it is over the federal 25 year limit?
It's quite weird to me as a european that the supra's and r34's are so overpriced, a mustang with the same amount of hp and more torque than the supra and r34 is almost 10 times cheaper while being at least as much fun
I am confused on the supra numbers. There are only 326 Twin-Turbo 6-Speed hardtops made? Are These American lhd numbers or japanese rhd? I actually do own one of these but its a rhd japanese import.( i live in Germany).
The JDM hardtop turbo cars are much more common than the North American ones. I believe Toyota loaded up the Supras for the US with sportsroofs as it was their halo car here, so very few made it here as hardtops.
