Thanks for the comment: I use this method for my long range shoots. The ranges involved are 800 to 1200 yards. So I correct after every shot if so required. Groups are Ok but you would require say 3 marker discs to establish the average group. This is not possible with the type of shooting that we do. Cheers, Bob
@13thmistral Thanks for the comment. I made the video to explain how to measure point of impact errors and convert the measurment in mils to MOA. I chose a windage error for the demonstration but it could have been an error in elevation. I use this method when I shoot at long range - 1200 yards - it works for me! Cheers Bob
Thanks! Straight forward and useful. Non one had told me about the ratio Mil to MOA. Question: does the 3.4 apply to any distance or is that for 100 yards? Cheers.
@smenezes11 No. I zero at 100 or 300 yards. At close range the error in windage and elevation would be very small. However if you use mildots and you can measure the offset from your aim point, range does not matter. Cheers, Bob
@aswomnessguy A minute of angle is a sixtieth of a degree. Most scope turrets are graduated in clicks. One click giving one quarter of an inch shift at 100 yards. Four clicks make one minute of angle equating to a one inch shift at one hundred yards. Please remember that MOA or Mils are not measurements of distance, they are measurements of angle. Cheers, Bob
@TheRoostCrew Thanks. The video does not refer to the number of clicks, just to MOA. I left it up to the viewer to determine the niumber of clicks in 1 MOA. As you can see from the comment by medic103, there are also scope turrets that adjust in mils making conversion to MOA unnecessary. Cheers, Bob
@RyanHoulio No. A mil is a measurement of angle whereas an inch is a measurement of length. However one mil will subtend 3.4 inches at 100 yards and 34 inches at 1000 yards. Most variable power tactical scopes with mildot reticules measure correctly at 10 power. Cheers, Bob.
@theshwang Hi. A mate of mine printed off a ballistic table of elevations, windage etc for the .308. There are number of software packages that you can buy to do this. Elevation for 1200 yards with my ammo is 49.8 MOA. At 1000 yards the elevation required is 34.5 MOA, so I need 15.3 MOA more for 1200 yards. Dividing 15.3 by 3.4 gives 4.5 mils which is the hold over required. I don't have data for 1300 yards. Hope this helps. Cheers, Bob
What is the formula for shooting at say 1300yds with a 308. U set your elevation to shoot 1000 but how do u figure the mil dot holdover for the last 300 yds. Plz explain. Thank you
If 1 MRAD = 3.4 MOA 3.4 / 10 = .34 MOA Meaning 1/10 if an MRAD should equal .34 MOA 1/4 MOA = .25 MOA So a 1/4 MOA turret actually offers finer adjustment than a 1/10 MRAD turret, correct? If so I think I'd prefer the finer adjustment of the MOA for long range, seeing as it would allow for more precise dope. However, a 1/10 MRAD mil/mil scope offers a more intuitive adjustment on target, which would be be better for on the fly shooting. Correct me if I am wrong.
when I was serious shooter with my 220 swift, I used bags of rice instead of sand. My method is a lot easier if you have someone to help hold the gun while you do the adjustments I know people who still cannot understand my concept as a faster way. They still shot at the range they want the scope set at and have someone go down to the target and do measurements and yell back what they are and keep doing it till they are on target. Dont know if it is stubbornness or what lol
Your mildot reticule will only be accurate in terms of mils at one magnification only. you will have to check with the manufacurer on this. Some scopes read correcly at 10x others at max magnification. Once you have established this you can use the method shown in the video. Cheers, Bob.
A second-focal plane optic's reticle will be "true" at only one magnification, usually either 10x or whatever the maximum magnification is for that scope. The manufacturer's instruction book should specify which. If it does not, contact the tech support line for your manufacturer and get the information. A first-focal plane scope, on the other hand, features a reticle which changes in size depending on the magnification selected on the objective lens. FFP reticles are "true" at all magnifications and do not have to be on a specific power in order to be accurate. It is also important to know that there are, broadly-speaking, two styles of mil-dot scope - the U.S. Army pattern and the U.S. Marine Corps pattern. They vary slightly in appearance but do basically the same job. Whatever style you happen to own, know its specifics. There are TMRs or "tactical milling reticles," which feature hash-marks rather than mil-dots.
@smileymat123 A minute of angle is a sixtieth of a degree. Most scope turrets are graduated in clicks. One click giving one quarter of an inch shift at 100 yards. Four clicks make one minute of angle equating to a one inch shift at one hundred yards. My video is just a method of converting milradians to MOA. Hope this helps. Cheers.
I shoot at the crosshair then then place the scope back on the crosshair and adjust the scope to the hole in the target. It is not dead on but my vertical is set with 2 shots and I start on a finer adjustment. I know people who will shot at the paper then walk down to the target and take a measurement and adjust the scope again and again. That is a lot of wasted rounds and time. Where the bullet hits the paper is where the gun is shooting
Long time no talk Bobseal223 umm I bought a savage 10fpc. 308 now what I want to know is what does the "fpc" mean. please help me cuz I would really like to know.
I'm pissed at leupold. My dad Bought a tactical mil dot scope for my 270 after years of shooting just a regular leupold scope where you dial it in with a dime or screw driver and put the cap back on tight. Well we were introduced to a mil dot tactical scope for the first time, dealer never mentioned it and neither did the manual about zeroing it in and actually removing the knob and puting it back on dial zero after you have sighted it perfect at say 100 yards in our case. Because of that, the math was confusing the f out of me and now 2 years later of not using the gun or scope I come across all this info about what it actually means to zero in a tactical mil dot scope. I guess Im just an idiot but it would be nice to mention it in the manual.
Thanks for the comment. I'm sorry I wasted my time making a vid explaining the relationship re MOA & Mils. I can't see where I mentioned hoes! Perhaps you might like to enlighten me! Cheers, Bob.
You are mistaken! MOA is a measurement of angle. It is not related to the calibre or the type of rifle used. The info in this video would apply whether you were using a 22RF or a 300 WinMag. You are confusing MOA with the shift in bullet impact at various ranges. Cheers Bob
Hey BOB i have a 556*45 rock river arms that has .5 Moa of impact at 100yrds... My eotech is a .5 MOA that means at 100yrds my eotech is 1/2 inch each click of windig and elevation i set my eotech for 36m because its good to 300m will hit dead center at both... And will be 4inches high in-between.. If im .5 moa off at 100yrds ill be 1 moa off at 200yrds but yes on scopes its different...
Yea but MOA is rated by what gun, round, and what your scope has per click MOA some are 1moa per click some are .5moa and you add each 100yrds .5moa 200yrds 1moa 300yrds 1.5moa so on and so forth per click
... no, it isn't.....on 25yards 1 mil is 1 moa divided by 4 = 3.4/4 = 0.85 moa all measurements are based on the "formula" 1mil is 3.4moa at 100 yards.
denny yang I mil will shift bullet impact by 3.6 inches @ 100yards.I mil is equal to 3.4 MOA, range is not relevant as this is a conversion from one measurment of angle to another. Cheers, Bob.
Bobseal223 If you get a scope with mil dot reticle and mil adjustment on the turrets it make the conversion not necessary and doping followup shots easier. Same applies to scope with MOA reticle and adjustments. But the conversion is good to know for scope where the reticle and turrets don't match.
hahahahhahahahah how you doing with the unlimited power of a single shot i rather buy a pcp air rifle 10 shots vs 1 shot has a advantage well 1 shot is more acurate but if useing springer alot more harder because that has from and foward kick
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