answerOfstupids Actually it was Milton Friedman the greatest defender of BI. Communists prefer garateed and public jobs to politically control the labour force.
X7373Z I'm not. Just think about it for a sec... everyday robot will be able to replace even scientists. .. then no company would survive worth human employees.. only companies with ago technology with take over all other industries. . Take google and self driving cars for example. What needs to happen is that benefits of this new age needs to be made public otherwise there would be extreme poverty. So humans should receive free all stuff, atleast basic utilities. Aka minimum living wage regardless of anything.. there wont be any job beside making babies even that might be replaced .. Only logical step is to make this evolutionary technology's benefits available to all. We can thank centuries of scientists for this luxury. This can be nightmare if got doesn't step in, and few companies destroy all other industries. The gap between Roch and poor will increase impossibly high. Soon jobs that will be made obsolete or less needed will be millions of pilots, and drivers.
Time to begin ending the labour for income paradigm. At the very least, we need a universal basic income. The automation revolution is gaining pace, and NO field of employment will be spared its effects, not even doctors and scientists, which have already been heavily augmented by, and will increasingly be replaced, by artificial intelligence. You want to free people from arduous labour? Excellent! Remove the necessity to conduct labour, and people can spend their time voluntarily contributing to society when needed.
Gareth Ham Excellent point. More and more experts come to the same conclusion - robots and automation will end up doing all the basic work for us. UBI (Universal Basic Income) would be a good start and it would provide people with real freedom to do whatever they feel is worth doing.
***** You know as a fact that people become 'lazy' when they will face horrible consequences if they do not submit to arduous labour? Somehow, I cannot agree with that in the slightest, and would love to see your evidence.
***** I terrify you, because I do not think that people will become what you consider lazy and miserable if they don't have to conduct arduous labour to sustain a decent lifestyle? Even when you have ZERO evidence to suggest this is what will inevitably result? Even if what you assert was correct (which it is not), do you seriously think it better to make people suffer for eternity, without choice? If you can't overcome your blatant cognitive dissonances, please go back to watching fictional movies like Wall-E where you clearly source your ideas.
Not A Particularly Remarkable Brick Look at you, again without ANY answers to my questions, trying to divert attention by turning them back on me? Already, TODAY, there are millions of people who are living decent lives without the OBLIGATION of arduous labour. (People who have enough 'wealth' to live off it exclusively.) You are either a complete MORON, or you have been misreading what I have written again and again and again.
+Gareth Ham Yeah, the countries that haven't progressed to basic income will not be able to survive the robotic labour revolution, they are the ones who'd lose the irl Civilisation game :D
it seems like China has the most to lose from automation. The factory i work at (US) started using robots and replaced about %20 of the workforce. Robots now do the heavy lifting and repetitive tasks, with people just measuring parts or loading material. Most of the simple, labor intensive jobs left the US for China a long time ago, and they seem like the jobs to suffer the most from automation.
nunya bidness It seems like this but I would say the countries that hasn't been industrialized would suffer the most. It's just that they might not be aware of what they've lost ----- the only chance that has been proven effective in history, to develop as a sovereign state .
I am not pessimistic about the spread of robotics. Yes, robots will eventually replace humans in most jobs, but humans should aspire to be the the free-lance operator or employer of such robots. In centuries past, there were no "employees" as everyone is a free-lance tradesman or artisan, employing tools to provide goods and services directly to customers. Humans, instead of seeking employment, will be the modern-day equivalent of tradesmen / artisans of centuries past. But instead of being humble artisans, they will be specialist goods makers or service providers. Instead of employing hand tools, they will be owning, employing, and deploying robots customized for their specialty they provide. Perhaps it is time for everyone to start saving up and preparing this early for that very bright future.
Main problem I've always had with China's products, are that they are made out of cheap metals and components. Every item I've ever bought from China does not hold up very long. Often it is made with toxic and cheap products that do not allow it to hold together for long periods of time. I always look for made in China, and if it says that I tried to look for an alternative that was made in America even if it's three times the price it will last 10 times the amount of time.
vousmevoyez the economy will shrink though? More people will be out of work so less purchasing power for them. Also if you increase the taxes on the rich then they will just move their money offshore or overseas. It's a lose lose for everyone except the big corporations.
But is it entirely fair to have workers do these repetitive brainless tasks like spot welding when robots can do them so much better and faster? There is still room for human workforce, from maintaining machinery, to doing complex tasks that robots simply can not do. For example it would take hours for a robot to clean a shelf full of parts, human can do it in minutes, it would take years for robots to be able to determine a cause of error etc etc. Humans are still very much needed, just not for no-brain activities.
It seems that China, whether or not it's gonna higher workers in "nightmarish" factories, or not hire them, can't catch a break from the Western Media Machine. Calibrate your critique to actually issues, such as Capitalism, Rentier Capitalism especially.
Think again the Chinese with a billion workers are embracing robotics.What are you going to do.Stop looking at your navels.Ecomics as we know it is finished.Talking to the peanut gallery whont help.
