A extremely dangerous foe. Her Twin Towers attack skill deals tremendous damage. Her skills can be used on her 1st, 3rd or last attack which is potentially dangerous. Her health is pretty much double of what the final boss has.
Disturbing note is that Archer was the 100th. That means she killed 99 spirits/servants before she attempted to kill him. I guess Julius wasn't the only one offing masters...
First fight dialogue (more or less correct but i can only grasp a few things) Archer: " She is not a servant.., amara..., no, an embodiment of amara?" Shiki: "That's right handsome guy, i will play with you. those swords [Kanshou & Bakuya], i'm interested in it"
A) this is not Void. It's normal Shiki. B) it's a digital world. Real world laws do not necessairly apply C) it's true. In terms of combat capability, Void can only fight defensively aganist a Servant. This doesn't account her using her connection to the Root and alter reality itself at will
Nasu said Shiki can only fight defensively... but what happens if shes a servant? wouldn't she be broken with her new speed and power? like she can kill intent and speed. She can literally kill your will to fight... isnt that broken? lol
Nasuverse Fan she isn’t a servant here. Where is that EVER stated? She’s called “monster” because she has no servant designation. Archer even says in this same fucking video you’re watching that she isn’t a “legendary soul” (servant), but a demon. Shiki even days “your kind” when she refers to killing Archer and the other Servants, she’s distancing herself from them, since she isn’t a servant. Should start calling you Nasuverse headcanon from now on lmao.
Nasuverse Fan “due to the mooncell being more powerful than the counter force” Lmao. Funny enough, Amaterasu is explicitly stated to be above the entire Mooncell in power (BB and Kiara have a 0% chance of defeating her in a fight) And it was uncertain whether Amaterasu could defeat Sephar according to Tamamo, and Gaia defeated Sephar, making Gaia >= Amaterasu >>> Extra Arcuied>>> Every other Extra and Extra CCC character. Gaia was also able to weaken and destroy the Velber in one shot with Excalibur, while the MoonCell could only imprison the Velber.
Shiki: Are you done?!?!? because i am coming out and i swear to god if you will do that again i will be so freaking nettle- Nameless: Caladbolg Shiki: SHIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Well it’s implied that Ryougi is dreaming the entire arcade run. So she didn’t actually isekai. Hell you don’t even fight Archetype Earth instead Tohno Shiki is the final boss.
In reality, Rho Aias cannot block Ryougi's skills because her skill can "cut" anything she can see. She can see conceptual weapon(Rho Aias) and as a result she can cut them. The same for world, she can see world(UBW) and therefor she can cut them(negate) them. However the last part can only be done by Ryougi(Void)
Yeah, Shiki cant do it because she needs to understand a concept before kill it, and noble phantasm are concepts difficult to understand, she cant see their death lines and death points (Void can do this)
Richard Maciel Not canon. Shiki Tohno can kill Servants. "Can" in the sense that his MEoDP are capable of it, but he himself would be killed 10/10 times before he could even use them. Given the chance to assassinate a Servant with the element of surprise his chances go from "impossible" to "very improbable." Shiki Ryougi wouldn't really fare much better because her swordsmanship is only Taiga level. Her ability to fight Servants in Extra is attributed to Moon Cell dickery. [ ] Ryougi is a different story though. She can just end a Servant on a whim.
duddude321 "Despite this claimed ability, her combat ability is only possibly around the level of Ciel, allowing her to manage a defensive fight against a being on the level of a Servant. While still much stronger than the regular Shiki, who holds no hope in even competing with a Servant defensively." Cut from the Type-Moon Wiki Humans just can't match up to Servants. Shirou is an extremely rare case because of his abilities.
solopy567 Not saying Shiki can beat a Servant, but [ ] can. [ ] doesn't even need to fight, she just has to wipe the Servant from existence. She can do anything. It's her attributed power, Omnipotence, which is funny because she's still a frail little human compared to a Servant.
duddude321 According to Nasu the 3rd personality can only fight a defensive fight against a servant. Her power level is somewhere around Ciel's class. Q: In the other Type-Moon works, who else besides Arc can fight against Servants? A: If we're working on the condition of one on one, with an extremely average Noble Phantasm. Generally most of the 27 Ancestors, Kishima Kouma, Aozaki Aoko. If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight, then Ciel. Shiki (Rakkyo), Shiki (Tsukihime) are no match for Servants....but Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class. Shiki is only able to fight Archer,Caster or Saber in fate/extra because she herself is summoned as something similar to a heroic spirit.
She should of been the final boss in my personal opinion she had triple the amount of HP that twice piercemen’s servant had for sure! This battle for me was beyond ruthless and definitely the challenge I needed, nice work by the way!
Lastly, if you're actually exposed to more Type-Moon content, you'd notice that unusual powers or hax skills usually does the trick in the Nasuverse. Tohno Shiki had slaughtered several of the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostles and had defeated lesser Crimson Red Vermilions in outright combat, Kotomine was able to fend off Servants and Aozaki Aoko can perform True Magic with a limited amount of circuits - though in the case of nutcases like Arcueid, sometimes power does really mean everything.
He says "Our ancient history comes twisted, Caladbolg!" I guess twisted talking about the fact that he remodels the Caladbolg sword into a twisted helix.
@@whyyoureadingmaname1775 When you're about to fight Twice Pieceman, the last boss, you can fight Shiki as an optional boss by entering the Floor Arena
@@ceruleant777 it's easy tho all you have to do is fullfill all of taiga's request and shiki optional fight would be unlocked. (Of course the optional battle can only be unlocked after you completed your first walkthrough)
Secondly, Gilgamesh was never an expert in melee combat. When he encounters Saber, he'll usually stay a safe distance away, tank her blows with his armor or force her back with his prototype weapons. The factor of Agility seems to differ from Servant to Servant as well - Rider's attacks wasn't insanely fast for instance (It's manageable by Shirou) despite her high Agility Rank but she's incredibly skilled and quick in aerial combat.
Secondly, it was mentioned time and time again that every weapon Shirou Projects, it's experience was taken into account as well. It was already seen once before that Shirou's hands literally started swinging on his own when he Projected Kansho and Bakuya against Souichirou. Also, Saber used her Magical Energy Bursts to enhance her attacks to make them as powerful as they were.
Lastly, it was mentioned that Assassin fended off most of the Servants in the War and all he has is high Luck and Agility, as well as an average Rank in Strength. Take it this way, Aozaki Aoko have a limited amount of Magic Circuits but is able to use it to her fullest and perform True Magic. Gilgamesh have high stats but is unable to excel in using it in melee combat.
I think the regular Shiki also has the "power" to kill Servants, but she's not nearly as fast enough to keep up, so she'd get rekt before getting a chance to touch them. (well, not really, but she wouldn't last enough to "kill" their Noble Phantasms)
@@kevinhanandi No... Magic also does not work on her. She can "kill" magic. The real action that would beat Shiki is to beat her "physically" To use magic may awaken "Void" Shiki and just end your life. Void Shiki can instra kill any being but she's pretty much bored. Should you entertain her even a bit by using the magic of the god? Yeah, it's your doom as a reward for entertaining her.
@WarriorPrinny 1.Be in New game plus 2.Clear all Taiga Quests 3. Prior to the final boss fight, there should be a table, flask and a note. Read it then go to the end of the arena.
Not sure how that would work in the Moon Cell as each layer of SE.RA.PH are structured Reality Marbles and when a Master/Servant initalises a NEW Reality Marble all the Moon Cell does is give ownership of that section to the Caster and due to Reality Marbles showing the caster's inmer world it is overwritten. In normal HGWs EMIYA uses a border of fire as his bounded field to isolate a piece of the world and overlay it with vision. This should be applicable to Nameless as eventhough he never made contact with Alaya he still based his Reality Marble on the same context. If Shiki destroyed the Reality Marbles making up the Combat Zones for SE.RA.PH using her MEDP she could either be deleted or fall out of the simulation like LE Hakuno (but i know thats an oof) if the Moon Cell doesn't revert the combat situation to before the Reality Marble was overwritten which is more likely. If anything she would probably just use the MEDP on the Projected Swords as most likely they would have many lines of death to exploit due to them not being real objects and just being sculptures made from mana/od, reinforcement does strengthen their origin but should not decrease the lines by too much.
Ryougi Shiki can do it. Her void origin combined with the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception allows her to kill anything that is "alive" in her eyes. This includes magic. Just like she killed Fujino's bending spirals, Araya's bounded fields, and the closed space cage she was thrown in.
Caladbolg is used in many games, and even in such case still no excuse for Hrunting. Of course they would demand CCC because any translation is better than no translation. I question their knowledge of Nasuverse.
As long as Ryougi Shiki or Tohno Shiki can sense and understand a force nearby, they can trace the lines of death of that force. Barriers, mana flows, and other nonphysical things aren't safe. It's not LIKELY that Ryougi actually would be able to grasp a Reality Marble enough to kill it, but it's not impossible.
Well, Shirou can use reinforcement on his body to a point where he can use Berserker's sword at supersonic speed so matching Gilgamesh isn't the big deal, and even if his stats are high, Gilgamesh has little to no skill in close combat. And don't forget Shirou absorbed a lot of battle experience from Archer.
It's been Six Years since I saw the Anime, Seeing Archer use his Unlimited Bladework and kicking ass is somewhat, Overly Awesome, I guess the Nostalgia Factor Empowers it :D Thanks for the Fight, sure was Grand!
Ryougi Shiki is more than capable of "killing " Reality Marbles. In KnK , her Mystical Eyes of Death Perception is beyond the level of Tohno Shiki's. She can kill living things, non living things, concepts, ideas, thoughts , etc. She can pretty much kill anything .
He can reproduce it, yes, but it needs Saber's magical energy (she has to be close) so no he can't use it. Which is why Rho Aias is his best defense. Archer can easily create strong swords out of nowhere and rain them just like Gil, the problem with Excalibur is that since it was made by the fairies it's hard to reproduce it. But yeah he can get close.
which table? in the classroom? I didn't know u had to read a note, I'm pretty sure it was that you had to talk to the priest to get permission to go in the arena and she will always be there to challenge you, or at least once.
Amm... No, Shirou (with Archer's arm) used Excalibur to destroy the grail in HF, so that whole statement doesn't make any sense. And i said powerful swords, i never mentioned anything about shields or whatever.... And Shirou was also able to reproduce Avalon perfectly at the end of Fate you really aren't making any sense.
Than what about Type-Mercury. It was also stated that it doesn't follow Gaia's laws of death making MEDP useless against it. Since Ea was an object from outside of Gaia, I just wanted to know if it works. Yes she can kill many things, but Nasu made it that other wordly beings that don't follow gaia's laws are immune to MEDP.
actually I believe I heard someone say that third personality Ryougi can only fight a servant defensively (Nasu's words) though it doesnt specify which type of servant so I just automatically assume hes referring to a True Assassin class as the templet.
Not exactly, he can only create weapon/shield if they are made of resource found in this universe and upon wielding it, he gain full profficiency. However Excalibur is a weapon that chooses it's master, and shirou is not it's master. Avalon's passive effect only works while saber is nearby cuz it require saber's mana. Avalon cannot be reproduce because it contain material not of this world. Also you must keep in mind they have mana limit and reproducing shield cost ALOT more mana than weapons.
@XeroMaano oh ahaha ok, really like this game took me a week to finish it and another week for new game +. cant wait for fate extra CCC :D i want to play this more, but am done using the three servants wish they have made all classes available..
Sorry but no. Fake Helix Sword? It's Caladbolg II. Red hound is a terrible translation of Hound of Crimson Plains, they should've just used its OFFICIAL english name, Hrunting. By the way official english name for projection is Gradation Air. Same would be said with Rho Aias. An example of good translation would be like Unlimited Codes, though I don't know what happened to the translation team. There are various key terms in this particular game that is translated very badly.
My point is that while she 'can', she either 'wouldn't' out of personal choice because it's more fun, or 'would not be allowed to' because Archer knows what she's capable of as a Counter Guardian himself, and would do his damn best to stop it.
But heres the thing. Its said that Gae Bolg couldn't be stopped when used as a projectile but that was proven incorrect, so why couldn't Piercing Thorn of Death Thorns be disproved just as easily? I mean if you really think about it Avalon would stop its effect as well as its projectile effect.
This type of translation/text flow is actually intentional in Type-Moon works, to simulate internal monologues that rarely, if ever, follow gramatical rules.
Mystic eyes of death perception apparently allow people to kill anything. I haven't read the novels but I think it should be possible. Also, @Evap69, while that is true it wouldn't have made for a very interesting boss fight.
Its a self contained univrse that are described by nasu's work. The universe has its own rules that are explained through various media such as the fates staynight viusal novel, the knk novel, etc.
its alternative universe, but if her background story is the same, well she will always be addicted to killing so there is always a reason for her to fight.
In that regard you have to think about where UBW death spot would be. Its its own reality so theres a good chance its far out of her reach and even trying to get to it would simply lead to her giving Archer an opening to annihilate her (as if he couldnt do that already considering how powerful he is even among servants)
You know there's something that I'm wondering. Type Mercury is immune to MEDP since she doesn't follow Gaia's law of death and so. Since Gil's EA is not of the world, does it mean it's immune to MEDP?
So now you're accusing me to post fallacy ? Yeah WHY do you think people on Beast's lair forum edited the wikia themselves ? Concerning the japanese paragraph i'm quoting the translated text i posted previously. And as if you can't copy/paste the last two kanji and put it in any translator online: 除く(Nozoku) Means Remove/except/without according the context. I suggest you stop right here before ridiculing yourself any further. Also claiming i shouldn't use japanese text but trying to
Doesn't really change the fact that he wasn't quite familiar with nasuverse, sure he wasn't obligated to do so but it doesn't prevent it from simply being bad.
At some point,I dont remember if it is after Gil tried to pull Ea or not,Shirou says that: he is lucky that the fight didnt drag out/it mustnt drag out . Their "melee fight" in the VN was nothing like what we saw in the movie.Just like with Archer vs Shirou,the lack of info on Saber vs Assassin and I dont need to mention how Berserker become so "weak" in the adaptation.
@legionz200 I can't wait for CCC either. Meanwhile, I have a list of personal achievements for Extra on each servant. I have completed the game 6 times now(3 Saber, 2 Caster, Archer), and I am on week 4 rani's route with caster for my 7th playtrough. :3
Not quite, yes Saber was able to avoid death because of her luck but at the time it was only C rank meaning that it doesnt take much to break that rule. In addition its been show that the so call unstoppable lance could be stopped as Archer demonstrated with Rho Aias. Sometimes the difference in strength trumps the rule applied to a specific ability. That being said saying she could kill UBW is no different than saying she could kill the world because a Reality Marble isn't just a concept.
fun trivia... this archer is quite broken.. reason include that he can go on bow mode despite he is in UBW... next is that there should only be 1 hrunting... and then its not pre-recognition, its trace on!... and the rho aias isnt really 7 star of heaven and what makes it broken is its usable in any way it should only be usable during magic burst, and it must only block projectiles...
This is the same Shiki that's said to only be able to fight servants on a 'defensive' battle, mind you. Also, Shiki's effective range is 3 meters; even without UBW, Archer's range is much further than that and he has no need to worry about his Master. You speak as though it's a given that she'd win, but there's no concrete proof she would; she could barely beat Araya with her sword, and if it wasn't for Araya's origin she would've lost.
Theres an explanation for why shirou could do it. 1 Berserkers skin was ripped off and if you recall his skin was supposed to act as the armor, and even if it werent Shirou performed 9 consecutive strikes in under 1 second, even Berserker cant heal that fast meaning his immunity wouldn't have taken place yet. As for your corruption argument that is invalid because Excalibur is a blade with affinity to both light and darkness its alignment doesnt effect its power. SA still has it as A++
Can someone explain to me how to use red saber's colosseum and the unlimited blade works. Cuz all i can master to use is tamamo's amaterasu mirror. Also how did you do that trace to 5? I thought you can only trace 1 level at a time and i saw you start at 1 trace as standard for high level emiya archer
*sigh* you do know you can just search up a guide for this game (which literally explains your questions) instead of asking about it in a random RU-vid comment section. Also to answer your question to raise your trace you need to use the skill "pre projection" which would raise your trace by one (keep using it to raise it to 5) or you can use the skill fortification (if you use this skill it would automatically raise your trace by 1 the amount of times you successfully able to guard against an attack). Also you need 5 trace to use UBW.
Well in that regard, she could still only kill him so many times, not 12, beheading, Excalibur laser, pierce through the heart and then just ripping him apart that would equal 6 deaths at max. But the wiki isnt always correct, the most common understanding ive encountered is that a weapon is counted as the attack, so 1 kill from excalibur would be it, it would explain Archers tactics in fighting him. Using different weapons each time. Overedge counts a different weapon.
That would still require a ludicrous amount of time, not to mention the sophisticated and complex ability to travel between those planets and build an armada... and if that happens she effective kills herself in the end so it would all be pretty pointless.
Seriously, your referring to the MOVIE? Blimey. Like it was reinforced a countless times, UBW allows Shirou to draw his weapons faster than Gilgamesh. It was also mentioned that they were both "owners" of weapons - they bear a large variety of weapons but was never able to use them to their fullest extent. Also, each weapon Projected (Or rather, pulled out from Shirou's world) bears the properties and experience of the weapons he pulls out.
It's not the capability to 1-shot people, it's the capability to bring forward a fated death. If the enemy is strong enough/not fated to die (Arcuied Brunestud at her strongest / Araya Soren) then she is unable to 1-hit them.
Oh yeah , Saber was never nerfed under Shirou's command - she was weakened from start to finish even after the Magic Circuit implant (Which was pretty much just an act to create a bond between Saber and Shirou for Mana supply) She was only at her best with real Masters like Rin.
No, I'm saying they were like "Fake she could of destroyed the Reality Marble". If the thing really was real she could kill anything on the first hit, which as you saw she do a heavy hit on Archer (Twin Towers) so in reality if she had the chance Archer would be dead.
Actually, he just needs to spend a lot of magical energy in order to use "projection" magic. The whole "materials" thing is a lie because Shiro's actually a natural "projection" user" (he just didn't use it much because his father told him it was useless) And sure he shares magic with Saber, but that's not why he could. As for Rho Aias. It's more like a double-edged sword. It can block attacks and avoid fatal strikes, but every time each layer/petal break, the user takes damage anyways
Her power allows her to kill the existence of everyone/anything that is form Earth(Origin etc). Speed and strength agility etc are high for a human at least but nothing OP(at least from what I have seen you cant call her powers normal).
Actually...it is heard of..in a certain doujin work series. You'd know this if you frequent a certain site..it was hilarious because they will spam this answer when you ask "can shiki kill... ?"
Oh yeah, not that the Skill sheet is BS - Stats do come off as being obvious at times. Lancer, Assassin and Berserker were all insanely fast for instance with A Rank Agility and the Agility difference between Saber and her Alter form was pretty obvious with Archer when he was getting pushed back by brute force instead of technique and speed. Berserker also had an A+ Strength which pretty much sent Saber flying around the place in the earlier chapters.
