Father Fidelis Mukonori, Religious Leader and National Peace Maker In Conversation With Trevor 

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Sadly, father did not speak honestly concerning current issues. It buffles me that we all know the systems which ZANU PF has put in place. State institutions belong to a political part, we all know this. Why in the world is it not being talked about. The Zim case is a sad one. We will continue to pray to God almighty, Jehovah is his name.

Father Mukonori pindurai mibvunzo yamabvunzwai not just running away be on point and tell the truth you are part of the authors for the note of Priest saying Lord may you hear the crying of the oppressed where are we now

Unfortunately, i give this show a 2/10 for the simple reason that it overlooks the fundamental reason why elections are disputed; CONSTITUTIONALISM.

Trevor, you gave him too much respect and missed the ball.

If we had a man like this Father being involved in negotiations,then we have a big problem.He can’t even explain much and he is very slow.He is the type of man who wants to be heard instead of hearing the problems.His training by the United Nations provides nothing of substance to Zimbabwe and we all know that that organisation does not care about Africa,so to me, what he was saying makes not relevance to Zimbabwe’s problems.Those two lawyers he is talking about are the exact example of people who want to be heard and win but not look at the problems faced in Zimbabwe by Zimbabweans.

I think it’s important to publicly note that Fr. Mukonori is not speaking on behalf of the Catholic Church. He is speaking in his individual capacity.

Trevor. Your editing of this video is symbolic of why we (the nation) are in the situation we are in. You edited out Father Mukonori's narration on the death on Tongogara. You glibbly discussed Ghukurahundi. At what point are we as people stop being participants in the cover up.

I really looked forward to enjoying the conversation with the church man but he did not quite articulate the facts well and says the election cannot be stolen he should explain what it is when people cannot vote because there is no voting material and people are being forced to vote for a particular party in the Rural areas

He used his sense of humour to articulate The Word. He was amazing when he visited our parish. The whole church would be in stitches laughing. I vividly remember, yet it was in the 80s/90s

Something tells me the Father is not coming clean on certain questions..

From what i hear from Father Mukonori,we going in circles,the flushing and crushing of opposition is persisting.

It turned out to be not so much of my expectations and enthusiasm

Sounds to me like Father does not know how elections are stolen.

Lots of loose ends that were left hanging...! I give this conversation a 2/10.

Thank you Trevor for bringing my uncle to the show the man wth wisdom and courage proud to be your niece wafanaka

Maybe it's me who was not paying proper attention. I didn't hear elaborate and conclusive answers from the Father for questions asked. Maybe there was no enough time, maybe language. I wanted to hear more about what he knows about these issues, maybe one at a time.

Very sad that our elders are scared to tell the truth we all know how our current leaders deal with critics 😭

And also Nelson Chamisa bring him on this amazing show

Trevor this is an interesting interview with Father Fidelis.Thanks for bringing us to speed with this part of history.

Trevor you could be a prophet... Just this Thursday I was talking to someone wishing you brought Fr Fidelis Mukonori. He was my priest @ Chishawasha in 2011. I just feel he has a lot to really talk about. The man has information. I literally am waiting for this! 33hrs waiting could kill me hahaha

Trevor you should allow us to suggest questions before you interview your guests. Just like what Dhara with the free talk sometimes on HSTV.

Yes elections cannot be stolen Fr under the Right conditions and when the constitution is being respected.. In our case we have a captured judiciary a captured uniformed force , and a captured electoral body. Trevor you should have asked him this.. Should the opposition have representatives also at zec, police, army etc?

Trevor I like this show very much much I watch it almost every week because it is the only show in Zimbabwe that hosts these high profiles. this is our only chance to interact with them and have the questions in everyone’s minds put on the table. What I dislike is your leniency. You sometimes let these guests whitewash their history and not take accountability. I’m not talking about Father Mukonori in this instance. The interview with Olivia Muchena is a good example as well the one with Saviour Kasukuwere, you let Mucheba parade as if she was a bystander when she was part of the cabinet. You did not ask her on her part in political violence especially in her own constituency. Sometimes I feel like you dont press hard and you let interviewees control the narrative. You’re the host, put down your anchor

We need Part 2 of this conversation. The good Father has a lot to tell us. He may have the keys to our freedom.

I find it odd that Trevor never brought the issue of SEOM into the picture.

Father Fidelis Mukonori has a lot of wisdom, courage and secrets. God bless this fearless National Peacemaker

Trevor: How do you see the recent election? Fr Mukonori: I once went to Moza Zimbos: He is so full of wisdom 😢😢😢

- Confusion between when Mugabe was prime minister versus president. - Front line states even when South Africa was independent of white minority rule? - 2008 issues were what has ZANU PF to offer versus what had MDC to offer not that ZANU PF had killed so many to win the re-run? - He trained Morgan as a trade unionist leader. - Trained with UN. - He doesn’t wear a priestly collar is that normal or he was excommunicated? - He’s not happy opposition getting funding from external sources. Is he aware that local funders of opposition are targeted by ZANU PF? - Toyi toyi on the streets is demos handitika? I’m happy to hear Trevor admitting that innocent people get killed, in zoom meeting of the 21st Trevor was suggesting demos. - I’m shocked father justifies one side stealing elections as long as the other side is not watching. He doesn’t consider or is oblivious that in Zimbabwe people are scared (for their lives for very good reasons) to represent, observe or testify for opposition - CCC. - What’s a state craft issue? What’s being a cog in the wheels of the state? Was he just a spectator in the plot “coup” that was playing out? If that’s what he meant there, i agree. Otherwise, father has challenges in expressing himself well - replaying video at x 1.5 times he’s very slow. - I could be wrong but I am having doubts on the integrity of this man of God. - He sounds fake and I doubt anything good comes out of this man. I really wish if I am wrong.

Haaa Father could have done better really, perhaps he took an oath to secrecy in such peace brokering initiatives. But expected more from him

"Intelligence is something we are born with.Thinking is a skill that must be learned"- Edward de Bono-

Very disappointed at the level of shallowness demonstrated by someone heaped with so much praise at the beginning by Trevor. The suggestion of the Roman catholic way of locking the two lawyers in the same room until they find a solution is not only absurd with regards to it's practical implementation, but a flight from reality by the clergy man. If it were practically possible, he could have used it on Tsvangirai and Mugabe. And that he doesn't believe elections are stolen when there was glaring voter suppression in Harare, Bulawayo, and Manicaland, opposition strongholds, which, even a blind man could see, resulting in voting spilling into the second day for the first time in our history, is mind boggling, to say the least. Whilst he harps and trumpets about his training by UN in Mozambique and SouthAfrica, it scantily justifies his warped notion that current regime cannot steal elections. He only stops and counting of votes, but what about the manipulation of the spread sheet when punching in figures, a high, if not unbelievable number of assisted voters in the countryside as well as biased state media reporting. Why is he mute on such critical issues? Am left with none other than the conclusion that he supports the status quo, for one reason or the other, best known to himself. Even though he makes reference to thousands dying in the liberation struggle, 'more than 70 000 people', his failure to articulate a practical and reasonable solution to the current electoral dispute and conundrum, left me very disappointed, to say the least. The attempt to philosophise something that is as clear as a brazen, shambolic, electoral theft, that forms the genesis of the current crisis, which crisis is not new, a crisis which is well documented since the country's independence, is mind-boggling. While one can't run away from the clergy man's senility, hence lack of comprehension of current issues, his soft spot for the current regime in light of how he was declared winner through dubious and unverifiable results by ZEC, makes me suspect he is an accomplice in the heist, who knows where his bread is buttered and doesn't want to question the current status quo, for fear of losing a place at the political dinner high table. And l also blame Trevor for not asking hard hitting questions, preferring the spiritual side rather than the practical and physical. For instance, l would have expected him to question the practicality of locking the two in one room, as well as the chaotic nature of the last elections and how his training by UN was relevant visavis the sophisticated methods methods used by Zanu pf when rigging elections.

Trevor you are a treasure, your inquisitive mind is very insightful and honest

Great job Trevor !! Father Mukonori has a lot to share. Will check out his book. He is obviously a moving encyclopedia of Zimbabwean history and diplomacy.

Good show. However most of these prominent guys don't want to share some the best information we would like to hear.

His level of diplomacy while appreciated is also evidentiary of he and his generation have let down Zimbabwe. It is a greater sin to know what to do and not do it. He tells us the errors in the process but does not tell the perpetrator that he is wrong. His philosophical approach sounds full of wisdom but his actions show him to have been amicable to ZANU because of his see no evil, hear no evil approach.

Travor please when are you going to bring the legendary Peter Ndlovu on the show?

Baba Mukonori: thank you for your way of seeing the situation in Zimbabwe. Ndinotenda nekumira pachokwadi panyaya dze nyike yedu se mutumwa waMwari pasina kutya kana kuda kufadza vatungamiri ne nhema zvatioona nekunzwa vamwe vemasvondo vachiita. Dai Mwari vakuchèngetai mabatsira,neuchenjeri hwa Mwari huri mamuri kubatsira vatungamiri venyika ino kuti vave nekusazvifunga panyaya dzehutongi nenyaya dzemagariro akanaka eruzhinji rwezvizvarwa zvenyika ino. True Zimbabwe has everything that is needed kuti upenyu hwe vana vayo vese vagare zvakanaka, asi kumwe kushaya hany'a chaiko kwadzorera nyika kumashure. Ndinokutendai Baba: muitirwe zvakanaka na Mwari.

Thank you brother Trevor Ncube for your extremely informative and insightful conversations. We thank God for Father Fidelis Mukonori, our link from the past to the future. Am going to grab all his books. We yearn for peace in our land.

Mukonori is way below average in comprehending anything let alone complex issues!

Father story in Mozambique with tongogara, chitepo stories, ndaningi sithole, Mugabe, Lancaster treaty etc. Father knows most of information. I think. I agree with most of his narrations but some issues he is subtle I missed him and I have suspicion on certain issues like having tongagara embalmed with the enemy, why driven by a Mozambique driver,. Just thinking. Anyway the truth will come out. Thanks the story was informative but leaves some stories and issues hanging

Good interview. Should have allowed him to finish the Tongogara story. That was the most informative version ever told and I guess we will never know now...

Being @ Chishawasha before he came was one of the most traumatic experiences of my life and many students would agree. I was young but everyone felt something had changed as soon as he arrived and he was the right man. Everyone loved him.

A lot has been left hanging. we could have been told a lot that we desire to know

Thanks Fr Fidelis for your input, that as it may, some issues were not conclusively dealt with. I sensed some hestancy in tackling some issues raised by Trevor, perhaps that's the way of being a man in the middle or was that diplomacy. There is however some evidence in his delivery that he doesn't want to wound either side in disputation. My take on the issue under discussion. Zim needs peace, Zimbos need peace wherever they are moreso at home than elsewhere. My father used to say home is home though never been so homely. I say home should be homely to all offspring, parents have a duty to welcome all. Thanks Fr, thank you Trevor. You are building bridges, healing souls and inviting people to self- introspection. Let's create a national indaba and move on as a people

i was disappointed he actaully said nothing,serve for being too philosophical

This conversation didnt reveal the depth which it was supposed to Father has alot which he could have articulated

He must come back and share more on Tongogara's death

I hope I'm the only one who didn't understand a single response by father mukonori

A lot of the key questions put across to him were left hanging. If l compare the previous Gono and Makoni interviews on the brutal political entanglements, Father Fidelis fell short on the detail in his responses. The Tongogara mystery was disappointingly scratched on the surface. He seemed to portray the picture that Mugabe or anyone in the Zanla camp was not involved in the shocking death of Tongogara. Very little or zero detail on the post-war feuds that were stirred up by Mugabe were revealed. The good part that he highlighted on, was to suggest the idea of having the two leaders in one room.

Saka Zimbabwe haina kwairikuenda nekurasika kwakadai kwevanhu panyaya dzekutenda. Roman Catholic has been there in Zim since Independence and it is a church of choice for mazidhara eZanu. How can you think this is a man of God under those circumstances.

For a man who knows so much....he does share little. Not really happy with the way he doesnt divulge much.

Father mentioned that we need to regulate our leaders, how do we regulate them when they themselves violate the laws they put ? there's gross abuse of law in Zimbabwe

Father, you are very elusive in your answer to the Question of the Election issue you are answering in circles

These madala in now old he nolonger speak sense, we tired of war rhetotics, if it may be we want our war also so that we can learn on our own we cant suffer forever in the name of fear

I like the comment that both parties should be represented by Agents. The opposition cannot cannot field Agents due to victimization and fear....

Thank you @InConversationwithTrevor for bringing Fr Mukonori to the show. What an icon he is

Father has so much to tell us

Very different from Mono interview Trevor was asking great questions but very shallow responses from baba ava

Trevor it's so so painful what you're are discussing with The man of God I'm an old man and MY Grand children have never seen peace since Indipendence My heart is broken broken

A good conversation with potential for a framework for a dialogue between ED Zanu PF & Chamisa CCC. Serious dialogue, not just playing to the gallery of youtubers and western donors. Trevor's leanings to CCC were wisely rebutted by Father Mukonori.

Thank you Trevor ,i must say this is only one conversation so touching listening and i didnt want breaks you were taking bcoz i was listening attentively word by word bcoz the questions was about unsolved zimbawe key issues kkkkkk i wanted the convasation flow without taking a break. well, father Fedilis has seen it all bcoz he was boots on the ground and friendship with almost all our key Zimbabwe founding heros and fathers. I cant wait to get my copy of that book. So the other party that was getting secret funding from EU during GNU government i can say the purpose was to make things work for govenment under sanctions so that people will think things are working bcoz that other party inorder to decampaign the other party nxaaa what a dirty game.

Great conversation. What a Diplomat he is (Father Mukonori)..... and to Trevor - your content curation is out of this world.

The good priest does understand estimate the chicanery of a person who wants power at all cost.

Probably one of the worst disapointing programe, no substance , he was not answering questions, l did expect a lot from this man , but bit of empty

However I differ with the blame game of hiding behind sanctions. The worst sanction is refusing to use common sense.

This country is blessed to have a man like Fr Fidelis Mukonori , may God keeps you for us father , you have a lot of work to do concerning our motherland Zimbabwe

Mukonorì doesn't çonvince me much on this session. He doesn't look confident to elaborate on issues

Thanks @InConversationwithTrevor for this high profile interview but then my concern is why do you cut your interviewees in the midst of explanation of some points. Your are not letting them finish their points

His masses were full of laughter compared to the dread students felt of both attending and serving mass before him. Serving his masses was one of my great honours.

Father Mukonori has much to say but avoided almost all sensitive issues. He knows what will happen to him and is also afraid. I give this interview 1/10. Not much out of it. Trevor should also have asked sensitive questions to this Father.

From his views, opinions and analysis of Zimbabwean event pre-independent to post 23 August 2023 elections. What is his ACTION plan to converge discourse of the political adjunct to rescue the electorate? @InConversationwithTrevor you are actively working for the best.

Thank you father you are a true man send by God

Wonderful interview indeed. Will the good Father bring Mr Mnangagwa and Adv Chamisa together for the solution of the current stalemate in Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe have suffered enough.

Interesting conversation and good points raised there👏

Trevor can you ask father why the 2008 GNU didn’t level elections ground consistently and electro laws. Why it’s still an issue in Year 2923. My name is George Ndoro

wise words

Such a quality conversation! It is my prayer the learned lawyers in question meet and talk and father brokering !. Zimbabwe will never be the same again.

At times you were too intrusive Trevor and changing the trend of Father's thoughts. If you had allowed him, gems could have come out. Anyway, it was good!

Father Mukonori is good. I respect the man and enjoyed reading his book. Ngavarambe vachiita zvehistory vachitaura zvemagamba akafa. his view on the current politics is off side.

This man is a loving man he made our days @ Chishawasha the best... He came to Chishawasha when he was needed the most.

l thought he is articulate as mugabe was, unfortunately, pedestrian he is. He never answered any question.

A lot has been missed out . He must come back.. and he must resolve Zimbabwe issued . Show him this message. ..he must solve Zimbabwe issues once and for all

Fr Mukonori is a well educated Jesuit and very senior for the matter so with due respect please answer the questions truthfully baba vozve mweya and help the country go forward please

Very sincere brother thanks.

Thank you @Trevor for such a powerful interview ❤

"Man's frailties and ficklenes is abound" I liked that part. We have to guard against.

I think my hopes were to high for this conversation. I am sorry to say the good Father didn't do justice at all... He said nothing to show for a man who was in the thick of things... Maybe the juice lines are in the book... I will try the book...

Interesting

Best Interview ever

I actually wanted to hear more concerning the death of J Tongogara, Father Fidelis is indeed a national treasure and he should be in interviews to unpack a lot of questions without answers coz it seems he is a neutral man who has been on the ground from liberation struggle.

I haven't yet gone through the interview, but halfway through, I find the Father's responses and articulations uninspiring. Perhaps he is a strategist and negotiator, but certainly not a clear speaker. Seems to be reticent, keenly avoiding to offend powers that be. Unless there are already talks behind the scenes whose process he does not want to unsettle.

Man in the middle.....can 1 get the book in SA?? Great content Mr Ncube as always 🙏🙏

Peace Lover Father Mukonori❤❤

I read the comments section before I watched the interview. I think I'll give it a miss.

Trevor u are or must be better than this!The interview lacked depth of what the truth is regarding our sitiation!

Interesting to see the clearly Father Mukonori and Trevor don't share the same views and they argued in a very professional way. Trevor really tried to get the old Padre to go into a corner but the Father Mukonori was very intellectual in his responses and refused to be moved into corners and sensation.

He spoke well and in great wisdom. However, he did not give away much, especially at key moments. He is probably one to be left to talk as much as possible when he provides comprehensive responses.

Hi Trevor, Did you intentionally cut the Father when he wanted to give Josiah Tungamirayi's version of Tongogara's accident? When you came back from the break, then you started asking something else.

Indeed he been the man in the middle through out Deno vana Mutendi vadzidzawo one or two things from him vawedzerawo on their capabilities