Sengezo Tshabangu, Politician In Conversation With Trevor 

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the problem we have in Zimbabwe is we do not have politicians with people at heart . just power hungry hyenas

Thank you Trevor for this interview It is good to hear his side of the story and reasons for his actions. I have a few questions for him, 1. How does he think recalling his own representatives will help CCC be stronger rather than divide and weaken the movement. 2. How does he guarantee that supporters who voted will go back to vote and even keep supporting CCC. He is taking citizens for granted. 3. Why does he believe ZANU PF will let them win for the second time when they are desperate to gain more seats in the house? There is no way CCC are going to win back all the seats he recalled. ZANU PF has resources and can push for a win by any means necessary. 4. Was it not wise to put their house in order and argue amongst the leadership before recalling representatives that supporters voted for? In other words he is undermining their support base. 5. If he is so unhappy with CCC why is he to always tagging himself to Chamisa. Surely the party is bigger than just one man or is it? Are these guys just pods around Chamisa, busking in his glory. 6. He says ZANU PF was not responsible for Gukurahundi when all the leaders who orchestrated these atrocities were from ZANU PF. Both Joshua Nkomo and Dumiso Dabengwa are on record saying this was a ZANU PF project. How many families of the victims would agree with him? 7. I agree that CCC needs to fix itself but this is not the way. these guys are like two puppies that loudly fight for a bone, only to attract the attention of the BIG Dog (ZANU PF) will come and grab the bone and leave them to starve. 8. SURELY, ARE THESE GUYS STRONG, WISE ENOUGH TO DISLOGE ZANU PF AND BE ABLE TO RUN THIS COUNTRY IN A BETTER WAY??? In conclusion. I will say this interview has just shown me that these guys in the opposition lack fundamental wisdom required to lead the people. They dont know when to fight, when to come together, when to speak with one voice or when to keep quiet. They are in it for fame and Money. I am so hurt that we ever thought they would take us to the promised land. I am so hurt by how much trust and sacrifice citizen put in them in the last election only for them to start a cat fight that does not benefit any voter. They clearly dont know the direction to the promised LAND. All Zimbabweans can do is pray and not put hope in politics. Politicians are not concerned about people and are not there to save us for they only worry about themselves and their egos. This country will only change when the state organs become APOLITICAL, Only then will the gifted and innovative Zimbabwean citizens be able to contribute to the development of the country without waiting for political change. we need to look beyond politicians because they all sing from the same hymn book and operate on same ethos and values. ME FIRST AND MASSES LAST. THEY ARE GREEDY, TRIBAL, SHAMELESS , INSENSITIVE AND CORRUPT.

Zimbabweans worship personalities instead of principles,its sad that people will dismiss Tshabangu before hearing him out. This strategic ambiguity has been a mess but to most of my countrymen they don't care if Nelson Chamisa is right or wrong about it, what ever he says goes.Anyway thank you Mukoma Trevor for this enlightening conversation 👏👏

Wouldn’t it be easier for Tshabangu to use his power and expel Chamisa and replace him with his chosen man!!!

May you kindly invite real ccc to meet this man on your platform

The moment we all have been waiting for

After watching the entire video, his closing remarks are the most zanu apologist thing he's said. Also, saying that zanu was not responsible for gukurahundi when the person who allegedly engineered gukurahundi is the current head of Zanu has to be a slap in the face for all ndebele people. At the end of the day, his actions have done nothing for the average Zimbabwean person. His actions have weakened the opposition at a time of national crisis. For that reason alone, Tshabangu will be remembered for enabling the oppressor.

Thank you Trevor for this interview. This is exactly what some of us wanted. Asking Tshabangu objectively without any emotions or bias. Good journalism is allowing people the opportunity to judge for themselves and this is what you’ve done beautifully. After listening to the entire conversation, I can confidently say I like what Tshabangu is representing. This explains why his arguments hold water in court apart from the usual ‘our courts are captured’’. And I like the question that Trevor asked Tshabangu on whether he was misunderstood. I think he is misunderstood. Some people are clouded by emotions and worst imaginations of who/what he is representing. It’s understandable given the suffering that people have gone through. However, beyond that, Tshabangu is raising fundamental issues that if not addressed, the opposition will continue to have splits until Jesus comes. I personally think we should have more people like Tshabangu for democracy to prevail in Zimbabwe. Lastly, while the issues of tribalism he mentioned may be undermined, I strongly feel these issues are real within CCC and that’s very sad. Being a Shona myself, it’s so easy to dismiss this 😢We pray that we find leaders who don’t see Shonas or Ndebeles BUT leaders that see Zimbabweans. My final thoughts are, Tshabangu is not an impostor. This guy runs MDC, MDCT, MDC Alliance and CCC in his veins. Unfortunately, he’s an example of important players who work in the background and are never known YET they play significant roles to make the party tick.

Most people who are commenting are not interrogating the core issue but are just throwing tantrums. That's why Zimbabwe is where it is. People listen by heart not brains. Even in the face of facts denialisim.

I wonder if parliamentary recalls can really solve the lack of a constitution & structures in a party. This is well orchestrated attack on the CCC stable, issues to do with party constitution & structures would be solved whilst parliamentary business goes on. You don't strengthen a party by destroying it!.

This will end in tears

How can he say he is putting HIS house in oder at the sm tym giving floor to ZANU PF

The video quality is sooo good on this

thank you trevor for this engagement

Mr. Trevor Ncube you are the best. Very professional that is why your interviews are always above par.

Professional interview.Thank you Trevor setting the bar high. Not journalism full of emotions.

Please invite Chamisa for a balanced conversation 😅

He really knows he can only ride on Chamisa's name without it he can't go any where 😢😢

Thanx for the clarity my brother, we now understand and know what u represent, what ur doing and why ur doing it.

What does CCC constitution absence has to do with recalling of CCC MPs?

Even if ZANU candidates rig their own primaries, they will never recall their MPs, EVER. It still begs the question why?

Thank you Trevor for the interview. People must learn to follow the constitution, even in church in house of God there is some form of order. We say wapusa wapusa is stone age & this madness must be stopped. Tshabangu l am fully behind you even if l have never met you in life. You are fighting a genuine good cause.

If there are no structures so where do you derive the power to recall?

The moment you fielded double candidates, you became enemies of progress!

A dignified, professional interview. Thank you Trevor for respecting Tshabangu. I hope Blessed Mhlanga has taken notes.

Kkkkkkk Most interesting in this conversation is: how Uncle Trevor tries to appear neutral, and corner Tshabangu when infact, everyone including baboons on mountains know Trevor HATES Nelson and love wgat zanu is doing through thus gentleman Tshabangu. What a shame.

I now understand where Tshabangu is coming from,,

Okay, so in 1999 the MDC was started. 2005 the split happened & there was MDC-T to differentiate from those who had left. I’m still lost on the appointment of Khupe but l keep my mouth shut. So MDC Alliance is CCC as rightly explained & the President is Nelson Chamisa. I’m struggling to understand why this man is demeaning Chamisa yet on the other hand he still acknowledges that Chamisa is the party President. I do smell a rat, time will tell. Thanks again Trevor for asking those uncomfortable questions. You never disappoint 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Thank you Trevor for the highest level of professionalism during this interview.

Uuuuuuuuuumm,, Trevor Ncube is a star ⭐,,,never knew he is this objective,,I'm impressed Trevor

CCC is shooting itself on the foot by not having structures. President Chamisa also should prove through an affidavit in court of law to dispute the position held by Sengezo Tshabangu.

Thanks for the interview Trevor. Sengezo has articulated his case very well. He comes from the labour movement, as such he is committed to the cause of the workers. Chamisa is using Matebeleland for his own purpose he should work with Tshabangu if he wants people to keep voting for him.

He is indeed an enemy of progress like he says

i like the way u ask questions Trevor

Zimbabwe saints ( Mashonaland chiwororo) football club appointed an unlearned Jehovah Masowe chairman Max Kutsanstira or Mupostori) led to the clubs demise. CCC are following in the same footprints thinking a member of this sector would lead to prosperity.

Great interview, I think his facts are valid and making sense, I would like to hear Chamisa's side of the story or Biti and the Prof, for a balanced debate.

Travor atowona kuti Blessed failed. Blessed shld learn how interviews are conducted kwete ruzha rwaaita. Trevor asked the same questions Blessed asked but in a calm and professional way. Thank you Trevor, for your intervention.

Professionally done Trevor

Jealous is the key point of people who are after position they don't care about the citizens

The first level headed CCC/MDC Politician I've ever seen. I've never seen any opposition person in Zimbabwe calling out the snakes in his own party.

He is well researched on what to say, shallow people will believe his story,😂 at the end of day the mandate is simple to free people of Zimbabwe any act against that is not smart and must never be tolerated.

As long as tribalism thrives Zimbabwe will not go anywhere . Tshabangu has ignited a conversation that needs a huge table and people must be free to have that conversation

Like it or not, this guy is brilliant.

Hate this guy, but he is telling the truth. He is politically sound in politics. He has been there since the birth of MDC and it’s variant’s until it converges to the CCC. Keep doing the good work Tshabangu, may the spirit of Mzilikazi, Lobengula, etc., be with you.

It seems like 'strategic ambiguity' was eventually going to stop the interim secretary general from ascending so he decided to fight hard for preservation

I thought he could not talk for himself all along. I am impressed

only unity can take our country forward. we have great minds and resources that can take us forward but all of these are being killed by politics and partisan lines 😢

Thank you so much Trevor for making us viewers understand much better from this charlatan, we now openly see his angle. Tshabangu u are a sell out PERIOD, history will judge u

Just form your own party Cde. Leave Chamisa if you are not happy

Thank yu trever this one is eating money fro garwe.

I hasitate to open this because my heart boiles

Only a few will understand you Tshabangu but by the end of the day they will thank you 👏

A very mature, very sober and balanced conversation. I had the chance to listen to Mr Tshabangu giving the history in the trenches to the present. I also got to understand what he meant by the structureless creature as a "new CCC within the CCC". The lack of challenge by any leader in the form of affidavits in a court of law is a strong indicator that there is much more that the leaders would not want to be in the public domain.

When did you carry out a survey of the people of Bulawayo? And did you carry out a survey in Masvingo, Harare etc to see if they had no confidence with the respective Mayors. This is quite inconsistent

True to that Trevor the guy is working hard in glove with ZANU PF. The time is coming. Zimbabwe will deal with him soon. I feel sorry for him and his family. Thanks Trevor once more

What is Mr Tshabangu's ultimate political ambition?

Ccc is not mdc Chamisa was bared from using the symbols of mdc it's 2 different parties

Many leaders feel a great temptation to pretend they know everything that's coming down the pike. They feel an unreasonable need to project self-confidence. Leaders often fail to understand that people do not need a leader to have every answer. Mazvinzwa here?

So what is his end game after all these recalls?

I am now of the firm belief that strategy ambiguity has really affected Zanu pf and they really want to destroy it.

You don’t need to be a Zanu pf member to support it. Mugabe declared voting for Chamisa not because he was a MDCA member but he was an agrieved Zanu pf member. Even both Mnangagwa presidential wins can tell that there Zanu pf members who voted their Party MPs and voted for an opposition Presidential candidate. Tshabangu is an agrieved person who is reacting by benefiting Zanu pf even if he can say he will never be a Zanu pf

He has worked with Tsvangirai for years but still cannot pronounce his name correctly...and yet he scoulds Chamisa for same? Are we a cursed people?

Trevor,, if Tshabangu and his people mean well for sure... Why are they hiding in shadows.. Why are they not coming out open...Why are they not coming out so every citizen can know them and what they stand for so we can decide ourselves whether we can follow them or not

Greatest interviewer of all time , everyone is very angry about Tsabangu but still he deserves space to air his views without being emotional or bias

THIS GUY IS WELL INFORMED

two Zanuist interviewing each other. the only person that knows what he does is Blessing Mhlanga aka Dhara. that's what we call HARD TALK

The man, the myth, the legend. The man doing such a phenomenal job. Well done sir. Keep doing what you do. Chamisa cannot be a dictator.

Serious Zimbabweans don't deserve this Chabangu nonsense, by recalling members of parliament what does the opposition benefit?? Let them try their luck but history will keep repeating itself like Khupe and Mwonzora issues, this is a game of numbers which is Chamisa's strength.

My question is"My Shabangu (sorry Im shona and cant spell correctly some Ndebele words) when you make decisions abt the party do you sitdown with other NC members, as in a meeting,and come up with a resolution or you just sit at home and finslise as an individual SG? What does you constitution say abt this? Do you have minutes to the NC meeting which resolved this? Because if not I feel like something is wrong with you here.

I will say my prophecy now pointed to tshabangu you will pay heavily for your sins even though you have benefited fat packs from your handlers but surely God allows every one to pay for their sins depending on the level of the sin like for you tshabangu this will go deeper into your family bcz of the cries and tears of the citizens thank you

I hope Mhlanga learns a thing or two about professionalism. Good interview uncle Trevor

Tshabangu is offended by Shona people failing to pronounce his name despite having worked with him for years. But minute 59.23 he just failed to pronounce Priscilla Misihairambwe despite them having worked together as well, I saw a video of him failing to pronounce Gukurahundi despite the word has been used over and over again whenever people sympathize with the victims. He is somehow a tribalist, however all other political issues he z talking about makes sense and need to be looked into.

United we stand , divided we fall.

What is the reason of recall overturn the party

Much better interview than the one hosted by Dhara

Why is it that when if someone does not share your opinion they have to be met with either violence or insults?

Learn lessons from Dr Joshua Nkomo Sengezo it's sad to see you tearing us Ndebele people. Father Zimbabwe must be turning in his grave with all due respect

With Blessed you said the state captured zanu pf and now you are saying zanu pf captured the state. Which is which?

It's a shame that us Zimbabweans we allow such nonsense to happen, we allow our votes to be played with ans still see it as an entertainment or something to joke with.

Than you tshabangu for standing up

Well done Trevor,but tell Tshabangu to be organised.

What about the people of Masvingo did u consult them.before ur recalls.

Name those criminals around the President?

To be honest I think i am starting to understand this guy. Thank you Trevor for a professional interview.

Recalling the mps will it help with the constitution or loba yini okhala ngayo..why khona bekumele ulinde kuze kudlule ama election to do the recalls...

Dear brother Trevor, as I listened to this conversation please allow me to comment as follows, I don't agree with Tshengezo that if his name is wrongly spelt then it's someone mocking him in the name of tribalism. While there are people who are tribalist in Zimbabwe you have to understand there this is both ways meaning right now there are people who grew up in deep Mat North who struggle to pronounce Shona names yet they are not tribalists eg I am CHITSA a ndebele person would call me Tshitsa or Tshona so please don't be drawn to think like that including Tshengrzo. Secondly I agree with Tshengezo that gukurahundi was perpetrated by the state and not ZANU pf and his explanation is clear though not fully. What I mean is when we talk of Zanupf part we are talking about it's leadership and members. Zanupf has membership from across the country all ten provinces who feel gukurahundi was wrongly perpetrated against other black people in matebele region. Yet the state admin used it's leaders who were from ZANU party to cause what happened. In the early 1890s You may wish to know that my ancestors the Hwata. Mhofu people used to fight with Lobengula in Mazowe area yet when white people came Gwindi mhofu went to kwaBulawayo talk to King Lobengula that they should stop fighting as black Africans but unite to fight the European settlers. So this means a fight between ndebeles and Shona is like two brothers from different mothers.If there is a Zimbabwe who despises ndebele speaking people that person needs education because I can't love a Nigerian African and not love a ndebele from Tsholotho Zimbabwe. As for me I don't understand ndebele because I grew up in Mashonaland but I gave my daughter Táboka a Kalanga name so I think some of these things are childish from your platform we are maSahwira and blood brothers we are now marrying each other no need for this tribal. You Trevor I know you are not tribalist but don't act like you are instigating tribal discontent. I am not CCC member but I love what Tshengezo is doing no matter what people in his party think,you can aspire to be in government and ignore law because hapana chinoitwa mu government chisina cover of the law so CCC should desist from hiding under the so called courts are captured.Tshengezo asked a very valid question to Mlhanga and said if CCC had won the election on the calibre of its MPs who was going to be minister of what . Finally thank you Trevor

Besides not necessarily agreeing with you Tshabangu there's sense in all what you are saying and Trevor good journalism skills for asking and listening I'm Blessed Mhlanga can one or two things from this conversation

Zimbabwe is tribalistic nation. Two people sowed this seed during the liberation unfortunately these self emerging politicians don't know a lot of things.we know people who have messed up things during the liberation up to now but their cage is closing in.

Being a "secretary general" empowers you to singularily recall members of his party outside any party processess.

What is he want to fix now after election ?why did he do it before election?

Blessing Mhlanga should learn a lot from Trever.

ZANU pf wants to weaken us by pointing out issues of tribalism. I love my Ndebele people but not Tshabangu he is weakening the opposition and making it hard for them. Let's us not be confused by this ZANU instrument and stand strong as one people of Zimbabwe. Let's create a new Zimbabwe were tribalism does not divide us.

Crazy indeed just unbelievable

Tshabangu you know exactly what you are up to thank you for enlighting us

Only facts. Great conversation

my own understanding is CCC is a new party not an off shoot of MDCA, 😢 i give up

Which position were you holding in Gweru when Sikhala chaired

Why didn't he run as a parliamentary candidate in the elections

This man is evil. He denies as not being part of strategic ambiguity but still confirms he was elected through the same strategy he does not want to associate himself with