Well I mean, considering DBZ came out around the time shows like Power Rangers were popping up, almost completely different from when it had been Super Sentai, and *that* was considered the official release, despite that even today watching the two versions is essentially watching two different shows, I don't think it'd be a long shot to say that, while unofficial, DBZ Abridged does technically count as a version of the show's canon rather than just a parody. Sure, there are certain things that differ from the actual story, but they also get a few things that Funimation, and even the original dub didn't mention. When they do Buu, and they finish the series, the show will likely be the shortest way to watch the entire series without missing anything. And they really do pack everything in.
junior gunter See people forget that og gohan admires goku, is proud of being his son and the times goku showed care for him. The whole goku is a terrible dad meme exploded with TFS popularity and now people are taking it as fact.
@@HughJass901 actually it fits very well. That s like telling me the us one when broly is any form of good with it s edgy nickelbackish metal tone. That s funny you say the abridged is good when it s the cover of the japanese
Yeah...strangely, they did not used that Piccolo theme often on Piccolo. I suppose, that will be too much like the anime. But they are a lot to talk about the music in the original DBZ series.
It weirdly adds so much more to the scene. This is essentially Gohan's version of Goku's last stand against K.P. K.P.'s theme is honestly a masterpiece. Every time you hear it, you can't help but get *some* kind of feeling of "Oh. Shit."
"If you don't do this, Piccolo is gonna die, your mom is gonna die, everyone is going to die. But before all that, if you don't do this, you are going to die. And you're better than that, you're better then him, you're better then me!" This beam clash was by far my favorite fight of the entirety of the series, if not my favorite moment, and TFS did no wrong when making it abridged, what a Godly moment for all of anime...
"See? I'm not even close to that strong! yet" "You are more than my son. You, are Son Gohan." "So plant your feet, grit your teeth and EAT THAT HORSE!"
Max Levine hey son. Sorry it took me so long to call. King Yemma’s line was the worst. I literally thought I skipped it and went straight to Hell. You should go to Hell. Also the phone won’t stop yelling at me.
@@dominickfinch5693 _Dad I-- I don't think I can do this! He's so strong and it's--it's all my fault!_ It was my cowardice, my hubris, and now my weakness! We're all gonna--!
@@EvaOwnsAll he does end up surpassing unfused Goku again at super buu but then they had un fused Goku fight kid buu instead of Mystic Gohan when he could have easily done it himself without worrying about the ssj3 stamina limit.
+Thegamemaster352 Seriously, if you think about the final Goku vs. Kid Buu fight and how overly dramatic it was for no reason, considering that after reviving Gohan all they needed to do was to teleport him to the land of the Kaioshin to trash Kid Buu, it's kind of hilarious. The Genkidama wasn't even needed.
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEE "what with 1 arm?!" "Magnificent! One last stand against me! a climactic showdown!" HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!! "GIMME WHAT YOUR DADDY COULDNT BEFORE I SEND YOU PACKING TO HIM!" Cell: HAAAAAAAAAAA Gohan: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! Krillin: Grab your bodies and move!!!
Watching this, I had such an emotional moment when "Gohan Angers" kicked in. I know Kaiser isn't the biggest fan of Faulconer's score, but it means alot that it was included. For me, and many fans that grew up with the dub, that song defined that moment and made a huge connection. It shows alot of respect for your fans that you recognized that and put it in, so thank you!!
Likewise, i watched this for the first time when it aired on Cartoon Network and it was huge. This is before the internet was the thing it is today. So jpn dubs were still a thing only seen in order catalogs.
When the Bruce Falconur score kicked in at 2:10 during the episode I actually started tearing up a bit. I know you guys don't really like his score much, but it's what a lot of us DBZ fans grew up with on Toonami, and hearing it brought back with such love and care put into its rearrangement is really emotionally resonant. Thanks.
I think the real problem with Falconer's stuff is that he never shut up with it. It had some really amazing stuff, like Goku's super saiyan theme, and Gohan's super saiyan 2 theme, and perfect cell's perfect theme, but so much of it ended up being just noise that was always in the background when it didn't need to be. having something always playing meant that it made odd cuts to different things when the tone or scene changed, which just made stuff feel broken up. If that had been handled better, his score would have improved ten times, I think.
Yeah, it is nit picking, and I don't usually mind it. But watching some scenes without the music makes it feel all the more important when the music does start playing. I think most people will enjoy hearing something like Gohan's theme if they haven't spent the past several minutes tuning out the noise.
Same! Couldn't have said it any better! Surprisingly I always loved Falconur's score but I do love the original japanese composition too nd hearing Flaconur's score brought back so much feels
@@gideonjones8088 this is actually the best explanation i've ever heard. I dont feel the ost always fits the emotion but most of faulconer's does it's just over used and sometimes unneeded.
I'm so damned happy Kaiser and Cliff put in "Gohan's Anger" as part of this arrangement, because it shows a level of respect to the fans even if if Kaiser has some pretty 'meh' feelings about the Faulconer soundtrack. A lot of people who watched and loved DBZ when it was playing on Toonami years ago never had the chance to (and still haven't) seen the original Japanese version so they're unfamiliar with its music. To people who fell in love with the series this way, Bruce Faulconer's score was just as important to American audiences as the original music would have been to Japanese fans. Keep in mind too that Dragonball Z first aired in the US when anime was in a pretty interesting transition period between localizing every show that was brought over and leaving them as close to original as possible. Localization didn't just mean changing the names of characters and storylines, but also involved rewriting entire *soundtracks.* Yugioh! was a great example of this and it came out *after* DBZ started gaining popularity in the states. Some of that localized music is just as important to our nostalgia. I love the original Yugioh! soundtrack, but there isn't a person in my generation that doesn't know the US theme song or the phrase "It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-duel!" Back then, "sub vs dub" didn't mean what it means today - it meant the original show vs whatever the localization of that show was, and sometimes the localization barely resembled the original show. It didn't take long for the anime culture in America to move past this, with shows like Gundam Wing and Inuyasha and most of the Adult Swim block keeping all the original Japanese music of the shows they brought over. It's not an issue today, but that's something that's distinctly part of and unique to the early/mid 2000's anime fandom in America. For a lot of us, Faulconer's score was integral and some themes will always be associated with some pretty incredible scenes - Vegeta's SSJ theme for example during his Final Flash against Cell. I love the Gohan Angers theme, not because of the Cell games, but because of how it's used in the Buu saga. That theme will always be associated with Gohan's *best* line of the dub: "Fight you? No. I want to *kill* you." Faulconer's SSJ3 theme is as important to American fans as Unmei No Hi is to Japanese fans. I guess the point here is that by doing this, even though Kaiser doesn't really like the Faulconer soundtrack, is that it shows how deeply TFS not only understands Dragonball, but how deeply they understand people''s experiences with Dragonball and how it affects them. The remixes of the Japanese tracks like Unmei No Hi and Hikari No Willpower were incredible, and I love that you're taking the time to treat some of the more popular Faulconer tracks the same way.
"and sometimes the localization barely resembled the original show." Good riddance then. Typical American arrogance of "we can do this show better than those pesky foreigners, even though they created the damn thing they have no idea what they're doing" should go to the dustbin of History it deserves, and stay there. Even Funimation recognized their mistake, and when it came time to dub DBZ Kai, they decided to do it properly and pay the original show the respect it deserves.
I think it was mainly due to marketing more towards children. Things had to be changed so they would be easier understood to them(us) way back then. They did eventually release an Uncut version which was completely uncensored (I remember the first time it aired and I watched Garlic Jr. Arc with my little cousin way late into the night). I would like to think if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have become the respecting fan of this amazing show I am today.
I know some people are gonna look down on itfor being a medley cover of ~4 songs but this is fucking brilliant composing - not only is merging music from vastly different composers hard but the original parts are gorgeous too - and Ein deserves crazyass mainstream big money success
TFS, May I just say... Thank you for all the hard work you put into this series you've done a spectacular job, from editing, to scripting, to voice acting, and music like this! Bravo. Now give yourselves a break, and have a nice day.
Gohan's Anger was always my favourite Bruce track. But never imagined it would not only turn up in DBZA, but be done in this way too add. Seriously, thank you for all the hard work put into this for the past ten years. Despite what a certain company might say, I strongly believe you guys helped bring Dragon Ball back into the mainstream. You can rest easy now, you did it guys, you truly did well.
@@darkmessiah9566 Soo, I assume you know by now, but uh TFS is done. They're not doing any more abridging. However, they are still doing some one-off shorts, but no Buu Saga or anything like that...
"What's this, brat? Your second wind or your dying gasp? Either way, it doesn't matter. Behold the power... of TWO HANDS!! Take solace Gohan! Though you have fought alone, you won't die alone. That is my last gift to you: A PERFECT DEATH!!"
This was the best beam struggle in the entire series of dragon ball, from the very start we knew gohan had great power, and throughout the series we saw him showing glimpses of his power, then in the HTC we saw him go SSJ2 for a brief moment and nobody knew, when 16 got killed all of his inner emotions bursted out, showing his true power. Now this is happening. :3
Weldon Spivey Technically it’s not even Sinatra’s song either; it’s an English cover of a French ballad. Fun fact: David Bowie intended to write the English lyrics for that song back in the day, but got turned down in favor of Paul Anka’s version, which Sinatra then sang. Bowie would later create his own “parody” of “My Way” and release it in 1971; you might know it as “Life on Mars”.
@@novastar3990 "He's right, brat. It's just like you told me! Theres no point in being afraid of the inevitable." "Yeah. I guess you're right." -powers up- KaaaaammmaaaeeeeHAAAAA MAEEEEEEEEE Cell: GIMME WHAT YOUR DADDY COULDNT BEFORE I SEND YOU PACKING TO HIM!! HAAAAAAAAA Gohan: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
I'm not going to lie this orchestral version of Gohan's Rage is going to be my favorite song this year unless a face-melting, screaming speed metal cover comes out.
The Pinnacle of the Abridged Series, right here. I don't know if TFS will do the Majin Buu saga, but if you do... DAMN, what a high bar! EDIT: Sorry about the last part of the comment, it was very late when I watched Part 3 and didn't register that it said season 4.
The way this song is composed to fit with the scene is absolutely amazing, from piccolo’s theme at the start to unmet no hi being incredible. And then Cell starts to overpower Gohan and the strings drown out the entire Unmei no hi theme, coming in with this chorus to show just how terrifying Cell is as he overpowers gohan. And then the start of Gohan’s Anger plays, used to mark a moment of despair and pain. It’s a moment of reflection, a resolution as Goku helps Gohan find the strength to continue. Unmei no hi returns as Gohan gives everything he has in it. One of the best moments though I love about this track is when the theme distorts though, shifting to a darker tone as Cell starts to push back yet again, eventually turning into the Perfect Cell theme right before Vegeta hits him. It’s such a great touch to the theme, and added so much to this scene. There was so much care in this theme it easily made the iconic scene even better and I can’t imagine a better way for it to have been done.
Gohan's Anger being used for this particular scene was just so god damn perfect. It fit surprisingly well for it. Honestly, I think that if we combined both the original Japanese score and the Faulconer scores, we would have something legendary. Because the spots in which the Faulconer remixes were used within DBZA were just soooooo perfect. And the spots where the remixes of the original Japanese score were used were equally just as perfect. Now, full version of Cell's My Way when?
The Piccolo theme at the start was great, and the interpretation of the Bruce Faulconer Gohan theme (2:10, "Gohan Angers") was perfect. Actually, it was better than perfect: it was SSJ2.
Its like Piccolo was a key figure to help push Gohan to not be afraid, Then with gohans rage Goku lets out the final push to set Gohan off to finish it
3:23 Don't Tell me I'm not the only one who heard that Cell's theme reference. Edit: I'm glad that some viewers that haven't already are finally catching on to this.
"Are you... Peter Parker? Different and older than the Peter, of my Universe I know. No matter. Mr. Parker, I need your help. My universe is in trouble, from the Mad Titan Thanos. My body is dead, but my spirit is still alive. But I have enough shared magical energy between me and Wong to get you there. The Avengers need your help. My name is Doctor Stephen Strange, and I need you to come with me Spider-Man."
@@oisavvy Retooled a bit so it could be A) Placed after Avengers 4 when everyone including Strange come back from the Soul Dimension, B) Replacing the threat from Thanos to a unspecified, yet infinitely more powerful and threatening force that has been released because the Snap, the speculated Time Travel ordeal from pt. 4 and the resurrecting snap, which has also allowed the MCU universe to contact and travel to others by breaking the interdimensional boundaries and C) By making no mention to the name of either Peter Parker or Spiderman until the last line, I think it would be an amazing (pun intended) post credit scene which would setup a MCU Spiderverse with the inclusion of the 1977, Toei, 2002 and 2012 versions. (The first two ones could be optional, with their suits modernized and the last one would wear his 2014 suit) Anyway, totally love the dialogue you made, What if Dr Strange makes a Nick Fury post credit scene style to Peter Parker in Far From Home about being part of bigger universe, or in this case Multiverse. The explanation of why they would be talking after the Thanks events could even be related to the appearance of Mysterio. Here's my idea of how it could be introduced the Spiderverse: having Mysterio, during of their fight, give Peter nightmarish illusions of past memories he never had, yet looked strangely familiar, this illusions would turn out to be footage from the other Spiderman movies edited so well that they could flow easily by their similarities, with the mix of the soundtrack of Raimi, Young, Corner and Zimmer (I've seen video edits that prove that this idea is possible), then in the post credit scene, Peter goes to see Strange about those nightmares and the encounter he had with another Magic user, and that's when the Nick Fury moment would happen. It may sound weird, but I think it would be pretty cool, What do you think?
Now that we know episode 60 is officially the abridged finale, this theme and the music box theme with 16 in heaven have such bittersweet feel to them...
What I love is the end of the song. Throughout, it's shown that Goku is there. But the reality of it is, he isn't there. It's just Gohan. No one helping him with their power, no one behind him, just him alone.
Can I point out the brilliance of the usage Father-Son Kamehameha theme? It starts with Piccolo's encouragement, so it uses his leitmotif from OG Dragon Ball while he speaks Then it flares into Unmei No Hi when Gohan reaches into his power for his Kamehameha just like when he transformed and the song played But as he starts to lose and loses his own hope, and Goku starts encouraging him to reach into his emotion, turning the song to Gohan's Anger But as Cell starts taking the lead in the Beam Struggle the song ends with a small bit from Cell's Bruce Falconer Theme to represent his part in the fight
2:10 I'm really glad Kaiser is doing more than, as he put it, simply "throwing a bone" to us dub score fans, and that, when it comes to some pieces, including this one, he understands it's popularity. That being said, I am *very* interested to see what is done with the SSJ3 transformation. If Cliff's work with the other two Faulconer scores has set any precedent, it will probably the thing I look forward to most in Season 4. That is *if* they decide to go with the FuniDub score.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like that little bit at 0:21 is a sliver of a variation of Piccolo's Japanese theme. But I could be reaching there, admittedly.
"GOHAN! Snap out of it! Your father wouldn't sit there and take it, and neither should you! You wanna do right by Goku? Then don't let that bastard scare you!"
I am glad Kaiser has thought of ways to incorporate the Faulconer score in DBZA without him feeling forced about putting it in. I especially like how Cliff made this song a lovely blend of the Japanese and Faulconer scores.
I know the creators dislike the original soundtrack but literally without that little tidbit I wouldn't have started shedding tears or got as emotional. Perfectly timed.
Ik there’s a few reasons and all, but I don’t think hate ALL of it, there are some good ones, but it’s the fact that because so many people grew up with dbz being Americanized, they never got a chance to experience the original score/scenes. The moment I saw gohan’s transformation scene in Japanese, I felt it all, and I think it’s worth for both sides to give each other’s sides a go rather than staying in their bubble.
It’s curious that this theme goes from Day of Fate’s melody to Gohan’s Anger and then combines them both at the end. 0:30 Day of Fate 2:09 Gohan's Anger 3:00 Day of Fate and Gohan's Anger Though I may be reading too much into it, I believe there’s a meaning to this. Here’s my theory on what exactly. The different melodies represent different sides of Gohan in this fight. They’re in a way, leitmotifs punctuating them. Day of Fate represents what I call Gohan the Hero. The outer side of Gohan. The selfless Gohan fighting for everyone’s sake. The fated avenger that everyone needs him to be. The reason for this, is the circumstances and motivations involved when this theme plays. The first time was when 16 was killed by Cell. 16 was a stranger. And yet, the injustice of his death drove Gohan to the fury he needed to become the mighty hero everyone hoped he would become and defeat Cell. Thus why I dub this side of him the outer self, the Hero. This part of him is driven by external motivators, by other people and abstract concepts of morality and justice. It’s counterpart, Gohan’s Anger represents Gohan the Boy. His inner self. The ‘selfish’ part of him. A scared little boy who hates fighting. But doesn’t want everyone he knows and love to die. When does this play? When he’s on the brink of defeat, and the Hero is brought low and stripped of his awe inspiring power. Leaving only the boy, who had never truly thought of himself as the one to save the day. Or even a fighter. Then there’s Goku’s pep talk to him. “If you don’t do this, _Piccolo_ is gonna die. Your _mom_ is gonna die. Everyone’s gonna die. But before all that, *you’re* gonna die.” It always seemed out of place to me. Why is ‘you’re gonna die’ the climax of that sentence? Why is it that his own death is what snaps Gohan out of despair? After all, it’s awfully unheroic to care about your life above others. But then it hit me. This wasn’t about being a hero. This is about _Gohan_ . And why _Gohan_ wants to win this fight. “And you’re better than that. You’re better than _him_ . You’re better than *me* !” And this is Goku addressing Gohan’s sense of inadequacy that holds him back. Another personal issue. That’s why Gohan’s Anger is the theme of the Boy, Gohan’s inner self. The context shows a Gohan who fights for the people closest to him, rather than out of responsibility or morality to the world as a whole. And above all, his own survival. All very ‘self-ful’ personal things. Lastly, the part that harmonises both themes. Day of Fate and Gohan’s Anger playing side by side. This represents reconciliation of the two sides. As we recall, the first time the Hero emerges, when 16 dies, Gohan was conflicted. He was scared of losing himself. Scared of the all consuming rage he held inside him. He didn’t want to fight. He disliked violence. But everyone else was suffering around him. Because of his inaction. And finally, after 16, he was forced to put aside his own wants and surrender to his fate. To be the Hero people needed him to be. The Boy and the Hero were in conflict, and the Boy was forced to step down. This symbolically coincided with Gohan unconsciously capping a significant part of his power still. He was fighting with only half of his self after all. But with Gohan’s Anger and Goku’s pep talk. Gohan was finally at peace with his fears. And dealt with his insecurities. Gohan himself now had a personal reason to fight. He didn’t want to die and he didn’t want those close to him to die. So the Boy joins the fight. And as he regains the upper hand against Cell, Gohan’s Anger can be heard transitioning from the quiet piano into bolder and louder instruments until Day of Fate starts to play again. This either shows both sides now fighting together or that Gohan willingly dons his role as the hero to save the day. Regardless, it results in his full power being unleashed, matching Cell even with 50% of his power lost to battle damage. And finally obliterating him with a timely distraction by a certain prince. So on, so forth. Thanks for coming to my ted talk lol 😄 Pardon the repetitiveness of some parts. I’ve been thinking of how to word this for ages.
