Feature History - War of the Roses 

BazBattles I love you!!!! ❤❤ Best channel

Nice to see you here. I've been spending my entire summer crying that Ciri left to become empress, so I thought I might as well use the beautiful soundtrack.

Love your channel Baz

Hey, it'z Baz!

I've listened to the soundtrack since the game came out, please send help

android927 I see what you did there

Yugioh duelist of the roses

ICE zombies!

So Game of Thrones?

Jiaqi Wang so r/woosh?

lmao awesome haha

The Yorkshire remembers!

This is so weird watching this because nowadays Lancaster is such a small "city" and it's in such big history!

Btw I'm from Lancaster lol

There is no King but the King in the North who's name is York.

Monarchist wars of succession are soap operas on crack with alot more bad ass sword fighting.

I had to watch the whole video 7 times just to understand what happend

ha ha ha

The video kinds hugs the Yorkist's nuts, when the reality was a lot more complicated and nobody was right. In fact, most everybody was an asshole. Here's the short version: English hate the French. Pro-war-with-France English faction hates Pro-peace English faction. Nevilles hate the Percys, and likewise. York (pro-war) hates Somerset (pro-peace). York's family has also long felt Henry IV stole the monarchy from them and they deserved the throne. English economy sucks, nobody is happy. 1422: Henry V dies the most Oregon Trail death possible, dysentery. Henry VI becomes king, problem is, he's not even a year old yet. Henry V was really good at hitting French people with axes, Henry VI as he grew up wasn't really interested in warfare, and the English loved nothing more than a king who liked hitting French people with axes. Other problem was the Hundred Years War with France was unwinnable in the long term for the English, but Henry V had fooled the English into thinking it was possible with his victories. 1448: Somerset gains power as Henry VI's main advisor, which comes with a corresponding loss of power for York. York hates Somerset. 1453: French beat the English, Henry VI falls mentally ill and turns catatonic, which York uses as a pretext to steal power from Somerset, succeeds temporarily until Henry VI wakes up. 1455: York murders Somerset, and his allies the Nevilles murder the Percy and Clifford family heads at St Albans. This starts several years of intermittent warfare, and a few leadership changes as York seizes power, loses it, seizes it again. 1460: Lancastrians (named after Lancaster, the historical holdings of the royal family, and includes allies such as the Percys and Clifford's son) kill York and his 2nd son at Wakefield battle, stick their heads on spikes. 1461: Yorkists, now led by York's son Edward get lucky at Towton and a snowstorm fucks up the Lancastrians' day. 28000 people die, Edward becomes king, Henry VI flees to Scotland. 1464-1470: Edward IV marries a lesser English woman instead of a Burgundian princess, now the Nevilles hate Edward and back Henry VI. Edward IV temporarily deposed, but gets crown back due to political pressure, then deposed again, Henry VI made king again... briefly. 1471: Edward IV wins battles at Barnet and Tewksbury, kills Richard Neville and Henry VI's son, then has Henry VI murdered. Edward IV remains king until he dies of an illness. 1483: Richard, Edward's youngest brother, claims Edward's marriage was illegitimate, locks up Edward's two sons, and they disappear, likely with a case of the murders. Richard III becomes king. 1485: Henry Tudor, a distant sorta-cousin to Henry VI comes back, kills Richard III at Bosworth Field battle, becomes Henry VII, starting the Tudor dynasty. Has son who becomes the infamous Henry VIII, and the rest is history.

well done! @@theveteransergeant Your version was much easier to understand and in less time!

War of the roses is used for many things that pit Lancashire vs Yorkshire, lancs vs Yorks in cricket, Leeds United vs Manchester United in football etc etc

yeah I got confused too trying to figure out good guys and bad guys.

welcome to medieval history

The fact that everybody is called Henry or Edward doesn't help either xD

I did not give up, but had to go back a lot of times. God that was hard to grasp

Mykomatos but they're all related

Ma you have 530 likes

Don't forget, for some of them, killing 50,000 WAS the fun.

I love watching series about this war... It's a amazing soap opera

"Given there was no HR to file a complaint to" - that is gold.

Lol!

😂😂😂

Remember s what ,royals using people to fight on their behalf

They're both North

Why

The yorkshire remembers

@@jockmanjuicebox4595 King in the Northumbria!!!

@@bridgettewrite ok..... irrelevant

EmeraldCrusade... There is no middle ground

Or you escape to France.

Francisco Pizarro or Essos

@@CarlShull Or the New World

Shut the fuck up

Mézes Rétes Now you have done it...

Mézes Rétes GoT is nothing compared with real History

And thank god for that.

I'm glad. Every fucking video on this website links got to the war of the roses, which is correct, but history shouldn't be defined by a tv show.

You know nothing Mèzes Rétes

Yep. George R.R Martin was based in Margaret's character to create Cersei And her son was Jofrry.

She reminds me of my mom

Margaery is a lot nicer than Margaret

Pretty sure Tudor is Robert Baratheon, Edward the IV is Robb Stark, and the Lord Protector York is Ned.

And henry and george

Innovative little fucker as well, underneath a car park as a hiding place? Genius.

George Bennett Made all the more ingenious by the fact he came up with it *before cars were even invented! BRILLIANT!*

George Zhang nope, Edward IV's sons are the champions. We still have no idea if they lived or died or if the 2 boys who's remains were found are even them as the Queen won't authorize DNA testing for some reason.

Those remains are not of the princes. In the first time, they were founded in a place (under a staircase) and in a depth (as deep as the level were has been found bones of the Neolitic) that deny the possibility. That same place makes impossible a discret and quick burial, so everybody could be seen it. Finally, we don´t know even the sex of the children, but yes a fundamental detail: both present a particular hereditary dental characteristic, missing in any House of York member. Sincerely, I don´t understand how the Queen forbids the scientific´s work maintaining a so obvious lie.

+Elena Maybe the queen just thinks the mystery improves tourism?

She is cersie

@@pratik1568 No actually she was reasonable compared to Cersei. History (as written by male historians) just doesn't like a female in power, and of course it doesn't help that her husband was basically a weak ruler, not only unable to protect his own wife and son, but had to rely on them to protect him instead, which upset the whole patriarchal narrative of The Man being master of his domain.

@@aislingyngaio sounds pretty sexist of you to judge a man for being weak when if a woman was exactly the same way she would be viewed as completely normal.

@@hillarybm92 Because in the gender dynamics of the time, that was a woman's role: to be weak, feminine, merciful. It's not sexist to acknowledge what was basically the accepted narrative of the time when talking in the context of history. To ignore that very basic fact is ignoring the context of historical roles.

@@aislingyngaio No, you said when it came to Margret she was only seen as vicious/bad because The Patriarchy and "male historians" didn't like her yet regarding her husband you said he was weak, not that male historians said he was weak.

That's why it isn't a good thing to have many descendants of your dynasty, because it can create a bloody mess in the future like this.

@Ishir Mehra I mean look how well it turned out😂 a success indeed

@@Billythetoaster2004 oh yeah, little boys being murdered in their own home by their own father's other wives. Crazy shit.

It truly is.

+Coke Can ... But the baby has a weak claim...

I Regret Changing My Name throws female heir in bin

Coke Can or just rng to vicory!

and if you have any heir with weak or average claim, you can always choose "Henry Tudor" as your new heir with strong claim.

Just marry the von habsburg lol

Medieval parents had no imagination. You should see the number of Eleanors, Matildas and Isabelles littered in the line of the Queen Consorts of England.

Edward and Henry is to England what Louis and Charles is to France lol

You mean easier to follow.

@@aislingyngaio More like keeping with traditional names spoke of continuity. Likely considered a good omen. Usually it turned out to be the opposite.

@@aislingyngaio their real names were different, they chose there titular names to be the same as their ancestors.

The whole Stark/Lannister conflict is inspired by the Wars of the Roses

More like Baratheon and Lannisters

No...

@@Billythetoaster2004 Richard II was The Mad King and Henry Bolingbroke (Henry IV/Henry Lancaster) was Robert Baratheon. There was a little bit of Henry V in Robert but old Robert was essentially Henry VI. Margaret is Cersei, Edward IV is Robb Stark, Edward Lancaster is Joffrey, Edward V and Richard are Bran and Rickon, Richard Warwick is a mix of Roose Bolton and Rickard Karstark, Richard III is Stannis Baratheon (Stannis is more likable), Daenerys Targaryen is Henry VII, and (F)Aegon is Lambert Simnel.

@@Billythetoaster2004 Oh. Well, Stannis is The One True King and Joffrey, Marcella, and Tommen were illegitimate but Edward IV's children were legitimate and Richard III stole the crown and when Henry Tudor took the throne, his supporters fled to The Holy Roman Empire and found Lambert Simnel to use a figure head for a rebellion. Richard II was delusional narcissist who believed he was god's chosen one and Henry put that fucker in his place like Jaime Lannister did.

lmao, no one's going to die of disease and hunger if they die in the wars first! :P

Which technically solves the problem because as more people die, there is more food for everyone which terminates the famine. 4D chess there.

innit

@@jackblack4110 that's some God level thinking

I appreciate reading subtitles

Do you get paid?

@@eisleyism no

George Zhang You filthy unclean peasant #housetudor4life

#YorkistLivesMatter

George Zhang Long live king Richard!

#DisneyAgainstWarick

Fruit and Barley I felt like replying to your comment because I'm the almost exact same place on the political compass

It essentially ended in a lancastrian victory of sorts with a combining of the houses

Lololol

Ain't nobody got time for that

Or mouthes lol

@@evanwoods4074 they have lips

There's got to be some symbolism there.

Erueti Foster but George RR Martin would

Reality is often stranger than fiction.

@@hemidas , no wonder most criticisms on GOT are stupid

Leeds won the crown, a bit more of it, marrying a Mancunian girl. But in football, Leeds can't field a force to face the giant Manc on 2 legs, and with the industry behind it.

@@timomastosalo Other way around, a "Mancunian" married a York girl.

Ooh, Romeo and Juliet reference.

DannyBoy NeverDies Dosen't EU4 begin in 1444?

Gaurav Mishra no 1337 is leet

@@patrickmacready1779 what?

I honestly felt like Warwick was more like Roose Bolton, in that he supported the king until he married a commoner in secret (just like Robb Stark did).

Rambard noooo, Roose Bolton had already betrayed Rob during the battle of the blue fork. It is said in a books that the outcome of the battle didn't matter to Roose. If he won, he would be a hero. If he lost, he could claim the north for himself

Warwick is walder frey smh 🤦‍♂️

Welcome to Feudalism and thirst to be head of the state.

Rogue Gen Post-Fall of Rome, it all eventually culminated in the European “Age of Enlightenment” and the British industrial Revolution so at least there was an upside ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

GoT 1.1

Damn the entire world had some back stabbing politics. I mean just ask Ceaser... Oh you can't he got stabbed in the back..

Yeah And Hindu fundamentalists in India are using backstabbing in Muslim royalties as an excuse to wipe them out from history. Sad to see how biased people can be As if Hindu royals didn't do that

thanks

Love that show... just skip "The White Princess". It sucks balls, IMHO.

BBC have cast black to play part as margaret of anjou...just why exactly?

Melisa Williams That your opinion.

Navi, The Real Fairies Queen Former YANG. Yeah, IMHO means "in my humble opinion"

Yeah, Edward the cruel child and his mother Margaret? Wonder who that inspired....

I've been playing it so long I hear it everywhere I go

same! easily one of the best soundtracks of all time.

Do an episode on Taiping with the Gaunter O'Dimm song playing

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apparently so did youtube :(

Daniel What do you think inspired the plot?

Daniel The Tyrells took more than a little inspiration from this and Lancester and Lannister sure isn't a coincidence in naming ;)

Daniel if GoT really inspired from this, definitely Targaryen will rise to the throne in the end. because Targaryen is the ancient dynasty that once ruled the iron throne like the tudor.

Tedx has a video about rose war and GoT

razhor ryan Technicly only for 300 years. Before that, the kingdoms were seperate.

We don´t have any proof that George was drown, only rumours. There were some executions by drowning in Scotland and France during the middle ages. So it´s possible. Edward regretted his execution but George was permanent threat, unstable, arrogant, ambitious with to many informations (pre-contract, etc.)

Drowning in butt sounds quite forgiving, to be fair.

Lord Orio You do know George RR Martin used War of the Roses as a base for game of thrones :)

Aye but the Scottish are portrayed in GRMM's works, they are the wildlings from beyond the wall (Hadrians).

Yeah well we all pretty much know that by know (if you watch got), that war of the roses was a big inspiration.

its pretty depressing when people decide to associate the middle ages with an adult fantasy tv show on hbo...

It's more depressing when they say "War of the Roses is Game of Thrones" instead of "Game of Thrones is the War of the Roses". It's like saying that GoT was made first before WOTR happened.

Well, Edward III, Edward The Black Prince, and Richard II are Plantagenets. The first Plantagenet King was Henry II who was the grandson of Henry I and great grandson of William The Conqueror, the vassal duke of Normandy France. The Platagenets were French nobles and when Henry I and his son died, Henry I's daughter married Geoffrey Plantagenet and campaigned against Stephen I who stole the throne. That's why England and France hated each other because Henry II and The English Nobles, who were French, still owned a lot of territory in France, about two thirds, controlling more territory than The French King. Philip Augustus, an ambitious prick who left Richard The Lion Heart in The Middle East to deal with Saladin, gathered his army to try an retake The English controlled French territory. Richard returned to France and launched a campaign to defend his holdings. When Richard died and under the reign of John Lackland, The French retook Normandy, Brittany, and Maine. Under the reign of Henry III, most of Aquitaine was lost and all The English had left was Gascony and I think Calais.

@@gfilmer7150 John Lackland lost a big part of Southern England too, am I right ?

@@Pratyush2124 John lost his territories in Northern France (Normandy, Brittany, and Anjou). His son Henry III lost the lands in Southern France.

@@gfilmer7150 no no, I'm not talking about territories in France. I'm talking about England. He lost a big chunk of Southern England. Is this true ?

@@Pratyush2124 No. The French King might’ve taken that territory during The First Barons War but it was most returned when Henry was crowned King.

There is a series The white queen then after that you have The white princesses

He suffered twelve different wounds that led to his death so maybe Henry got one in. He was also unhorsed and it doesn't require excellent swordsmanship to ride someone down.

Everyone knows Richard III was killed by Prince Edmund, Duke of Edinburgh aka "The Blackadder"

It was Rhys Ap Thomas

@@taptapuyo2714 You are correct, Sir. He was rewarded for killing King Richard the Third with a blow to the head delivered by his halberd.

That´s because Henry was just sitting on his horse and watch the battle.

The War of the Roses pretty much IS what a "Song of Ice and Fire" is just add dragons and ice zombies into the equation lol

Bismarck bashing everyone to submission, in the end?

Frahamen Tywin Lannister is actually inspired by the Earl of Warwick; the latter was said to be the richest man in England, a political mastermind and nicknamed 'the kingmaker'.

You could do one on just the changes in armour and weapons.

"It all goes back and back, Tyrion thought, to our mothers and fathers and theirs before them. We are puppets dancing on the strings of those who came before us, and one day our own children will take up our strings and dance on in our steads."

no1 gives a shit wdym most people dont even this happened

You’ve never met an Englishman have you

Dan Carlin is your man.

pretty much ( I found another book reader yay me )

CarolAnnePoltergeist he’s king in the north! A right proper lad

i think William the conqueror is aegon

@@parthivsen9219 nice catch never thought of that!

henry tudor is jon snow both were kinda raised in exile both turned out to be the heirs to the throne

I play EU4 too...

However it may be I'm pretty sure the other two were much more used than the Cross

Aren Teodoro totally agree. they did a Tudors show so why not one about this

Game of Thrones was somewhat based on it

It does, though only Edward IV onwards. The White Queen & The White Princess.

the wars of the roses has two shows about it! one is the white queen and the other is the hollow crown.

Read Conn Igguldens books. Should be based off those.

No its cos he died

No he was named after the british WWII tank

he supposedly wore a suit of black armor.

He had black hair. People with black hair were described as black at the time as there were likely no or at most very few Africans in England then.

DAS RITE

Or Balkan wars?

To much flamewars.

Declan Newton Every video about ethnic tensions will have a flame war in the comments but just because of it doesn't mean you can't make a video about it.

But it would be nice to hear his commentary on this topic.

done

HoscoFelix Oh that’d be great really, definitely a turbulent and chaotic time period for the “Old World” centered around the Mediterranean. The after effects were even felt all the way to China, would definitely love it if this great channel would also make 3 other videos about the Assyrian Empire’s rise and fall, the fall of classical civilization(s) and on an unrelated note the Zulu wars.

originalhgc if that was true, why marry the sister of the princes of the tower?

If the princes were only killed once Henry VII took power then why did Richard not disprove the reputation the Lancastrians had given him as a child murderer by publicly displaying the two?

cool story, Richard still usurped the throne, disinherited his nephews and triggered the events that would lead to their murders.

Celestine Cassus Richard was killed in battle remember - a battle that, if I remember rightly, is documented as happening three days before it actually did to come before Richard’s coronation and make him the usurper

The daughter of time is a biased novel written by a Richard iii fan girl, not an academic description of the events. If the boys were murdered, Richard is still the strongest candidate for the deed. And regardless, he was still a usurper and actively took part in the defamation of his own brother and the ostracism of his own nephews; murderer or no, he was still a snivelling little shit lol

6'4 actually 😉but yeah you're right on the other things

James Spencer Could you tell me what happened to George, Edward IV’s brother? And why Richard III, his smaller brother claimed the throne instead of him?

@@user-py5gc5dn7t George switched to Margaret's side for a bit during the wars because he wanted to become king and as such Edward had him executed on charges of treason (allegedly by drowning him in wine)

George turned traitor and was executed.

Witcher 3 has one best medival soundtracks

Harry Jackson he did some videos if I weren't wrong on this channel or the other one jazby

third world emperor Jazby has done like everything on his channel about history but it would be cool if the crusades were done on this channel, I like this guys animations