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Federer, Djokovic or Nadal: The Futility of Tennis' G.O.A.T Debate 

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Federer, Djokovic & Nadal: Tennis' G.O.A.T Debate
Who is the greatest of all time? It’s a question that gets posed in every sport and tennis is no exception. The world's best have been competing on an equal footing in the Open Era for half a century, so the list of candidates for the G.O.A.T, or Greatest of All Time, is long - and has got longer in the last 20 years.
At the time of production, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic have, between them, won 57 of the last 69 Grand Slams, dating back to 2003.
But are they the best ever? And does it really matter?
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@BaselineTennis
@BaselineTennis 3 года назад
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@mattytownsend9633
@mattytownsend9633 3 года назад
NO WAY MATE FEDERER
@schmirgldecks
@schmirgldecks 3 года назад
You forgot one extreeeemly important thing For the goat debate and that thing is that Federer has lost all three Wimbledon finals against Djokovic, including the last historic one where Federer had three match points
@graememorissey3276
@graememorissey3276 3 года назад
Sampras is the greatest grass court player of all time. His Wimbledon record is 90% and Finals record was 7-0. This is unmatched by any player. Sampras' competition consisted of far more grass court elite players - Ivanisevic, Edberg, Becker and Krajicek, to name a few. Then there were other grass-court effective stars such as Henman and Rafter; two guys who would have posed significant problems against Federer in their primes. Federer's run in 2001 was stifled by Henman, as an example. Federer also never beat Rafter. I acknowledge that he was very young for those matches, but it is nonetheless an indicator that he would have experienced some problems. Put plainly, in Federer's era, his competition were not grass-court oriented players. None of his competitors could enforce an attacking game style that was most effective on the surface. And, yet, Federer still lost on grass to the likes of Murray, Djokovic and Nadal. I don't think those guys are beating Sampras in his prime. In fact, in his prime, Sampras only lost once at Wimbledon and that was to Krajicek, again, a serve-and-volleyer who fit the surface. Meanwhile, Federer lost a number of times from 2008 - 2014. One of his losses was to Sergiy Stakhovsky who openly admitted that he did not play serve-and-volley tennis but nonetheless gave it a go against Federer and won. I can only imagine what experienced serve-and-volley players would accomplish against Federer if he went up against a multitude of them year-after-year.
@schmirgldecks
@schmirgldecks 3 года назад
@T now flush the toilet with your theory
@schmirgldecks
@schmirgldecks 3 года назад
@Tone its not about the opinion it’s about your theory which is complete bullshit
@dcfunhouse
@dcfunhouse 3 года назад
re-asserting comments I've left in other sections re greatest of all time: The tri-valry of Fed/Nadal/Nole is the best in the history of tennis. Nadal can make an opponent look weak, Novak can make them look slow, and Fed can make them look silly.
@kalidas.m687
@kalidas.m687 3 года назад
That's a best comment I have seen abt the big 3
@hiwayman981
@hiwayman981 3 года назад
Good assessment, DC Funhouse!
@malcolmreynolds5712
@malcolmreynolds5712 3 года назад
But the thing is Novak make them look not intelligent enough, Fed makes the game simple and easy which is very hard, Nadal makes the game super hard for the opponents, main qualities respectively (even though each one of the big 3 can do most of the stuff the other 2 can): intelligence|elegance|force, and lets add the math component, of course, I have respect for all 3 players, IQ>F>Elegance, therefore..
@pedrodytzmarin5698
@pedrodytzmarin5698 3 года назад
I never heard such an accurate description.
@jimmybrice6360
@jimmybrice6360 3 года назад
if you are looking at 3 players, connors, borg and mcenroe ruled tennis for quite some time. you can not compare players from other eras. only in the same era. people do not evolve in this short time span. we are talking about a century or so. that is a drop in the bucket, compared to evolution. the main differences in various eras IN ALL SPORTS has to do with everything EXCEPT THE ATHLETE. rules change, equipment changes, technology changes, etc. there was a tennis player talking about his personal trainer, his chiropractor, his nutritionist, etc. people of today dont realize how much advantage an athlete has today, over an athlete of yesteryear. laver and rosewall ruled tennis for a long time, as well. and then they keep comparing number of grand slams. but they seldom mention that slams in the past were amateur events. and the french open and the australian open had no big presence. many of the best players didnt even play them. back when rosewall and laver were competing, the biggest deal by far was the end of year championships. that meant a lot more than one of the slams. so the emphasis was different. of all the sports that i know about, the equipment changes in tennis is probably the most significant. if you are not old enough to have actually played with a wood racket, then you have absolutely no business in making comparisons of older players. i am old enough to have played with a wooden tennis racket. they are so inferior to today's rackets, it is absolutely laughable. in any era, the best players rise to the top. because they are the best at the skills needed. the skills needed to day are different than those needed 60 years ago. so it is likely that the best 3 players of yesteryear would not be as good as the players today with the skills that are needed today. it is equally likely that the 3 best players of today would not be as good as those in yesteryear, if they were born in yesteryear. you change any rule in a sport, it is bound to make a difference on who the best players are. with today's rules, mcenroe would not be great. it is difficult to get to the net, in today's game. so you would be taking most of the game away from the best net player of all time. there is nobody even close to mcenroe, when it comes to playing the net. he was a damn magician. i didnt even like him when he was playing, but i am willing to be honest about his ability. any discussion of tennis greats without the mention of pancho gonzales is missing something. he was super dominant at his peak, and was still in major tournaments in his mid 40s. the thing about being older is that one has a lot more experience in everything. and is much better able to see the forest from the trees. starting with pancho, you then had laver and rosewall, then connors, borg and mcenroe, and then i didnt follow as much. but certainly these 6 players were the best ones in that 40-50 year span. they were all different, with different skill sets. i can still recall being on the edge of my seat watching rosewall beat laver in the first 2 wct championships.
@no-oneman.4140
@no-oneman.4140 3 года назад
I'll miss Federer the most. Djokovic will end up with the most grand slams though because he's now the one to beat at the Australian, Wimbledon and the U.S , plus he is the strongest between the ears.
@S1rWakka
@S1rWakka 3 года назад
He has more contenders there than Rafa does on clay
@Smileater
@Smileater 3 года назад
@@S1rWakka That's why I consider Novak to be the best and the GOAT. He's beaten harder-to-beat opponents.
@S1rWakka
@S1rWakka 3 года назад
@@Smileater True, but he also loses more matches to lower- ranked opponents than Rafa, indicating higher peaks but lower consistency. The debate is on :-)
@Smileater
@Smileater 3 года назад
@@S1rWakka Djokovic has reached more finals and SF and QF in less time than Nadal. And let's remember Djokovic is younger and he started winning major titles being older.
@S1rWakka
@S1rWakka 3 года назад
@@Smileater They differ only one year. The fact that Novak needed more time to mature speaks in Nadal's favour. Nadal also had a higher win % last time I checked
@Illya_Marchenko
@Illya_Marchenko 3 года назад
You don't need titles to be the G.O.A.T. You need to be Bernard Tomic
@drtash21
@drtash21 3 года назад
Tomic The Tank Engine - He thinks he can (but never bothers).
@philipnguyen3107
@philipnguyen3107 3 года назад
Don't make fun of Tomic. He is a great player. Make more money by losing.
@keepleftunlessovertaking4364
@keepleftunlessovertaking4364 3 года назад
@@philipnguyen3107 he is busy counting his millions
@billybobobenner
@billybobobenner 3 года назад
Hahaha that's really funny!!! But being serious for a second the GOAT is obviously Nick Kyrgios!
@fyodordostoevsky9671
@fyodordostoevsky9671 3 года назад
I’m already missing them thinking about missing them in the near future. Thanks Big 3.
@nielssorensen9856
@nielssorensen9856 3 года назад
How's the writing going?
@fluffyninja28
@fluffyninja28 2 года назад
Who do u think will be the next big 3 in the future?
@fyodordostoevsky9671
@fyodordostoevsky9671 2 года назад
@@nielssorensen9856 hahahaha haven’t been inspired in awhile.
@fyodordostoevsky9671
@fyodordostoevsky9671 2 года назад
@@fluffyninja28 tough to say but I think it’s looking like Alcaraz is the next Nadal, Medvedev the next Djokovic, and I’m still unsure about the next Federer haha. Maybe Tsitsipas if he can get over himself for a sec. Looking forward to seeing other great players continue to grow like Sinner, Felix, Korda, and Hurkacz.
@kingnole4237
@kingnole4237 2 года назад
@@fyodordostoevsky9671 sinner could be next Federer...
@matangox
@matangox 3 года назад
The GOAT criteria that means most in my opinion: 1. Number of GS titles 2. Weeks at n1 3. H2H against main rivals Number of "big" titles ( GS, masters, WTF) should also be taken in consideration IMO at number 4. One month from now, Novak will have the winning h2h record and most weeks at n1. If I'm not mistaken, he will also have the most "big" titles of the three. He is also the youngest.
@cha0s1999
@cha0s1999 3 года назад
and he has 18 Grand Slams,Nadal has 20 same as Federer and Federer is unlikely to win another one
@brocklesnar8780
@brocklesnar8780 3 года назад
Nadal will beat novak at grass
@sainimishgoparaju6487
@sainimishgoparaju6487 3 года назад
@@brocklesnar8780 lol no 😂
@brocklesnar8780
@brocklesnar8780 3 года назад
@@sainimishgoparaju6487 i mean yep novak would be the favourite but their wimbledon 2018 was a close five setter match 😳
@sainimishgoparaju6487
@sainimishgoparaju6487 3 года назад
@@brocklesnar8780 well Nadal is competative like he had closest fight 2013 AO. let's see what happens in Wimbledon
@djfunkychicken
@djfunkychicken 3 года назад
Roger is the blueprint for executing every shot ever seen or known.. perfectly.. eyes closed Nadal the greatest warrior.. doesn't let anyone pass the gates of his house of clay Djokovic is the computer game.. even when you play your best.. you most likely will lose
@serbianwarrior385
@serbianwarrior385 Год назад
Lol well said
@annewalden3795
@annewalden3795 Год назад
Well said but my favourite player remains Roger Federer.
@Glowyyofficial
@Glowyyofficial 3 года назад
Any Djokovic fans here?
@JustMe-er9ve
@JustMe-er9ve 3 года назад
Yes
@goldwolf0606
@goldwolf0606 3 года назад
Chokevak is a Defaultovic
@danielkurtovic9099
@danielkurtovic9099 3 года назад
@@goldwolf0606 - good to know you are ok
@aleksaandrijasevic5918
@aleksaandrijasevic5918 3 года назад
@@goldwolf0606 if you have nothing nice to say do not say it. The question was whether there are Djokovic fans out here and you are clearly not one of us
@goldwolf0606
@goldwolf0606 3 года назад
@@danielkurtovic9099 you too buddy 😂
@1438Thejames
@1438Thejames 3 года назад
Maybe tennis have 3 goat. On each surface.
@lombardia1509
@lombardia1509 3 года назад
Rafa and Novak. Okay. Who is the third?
@RP-kr2mg
@RP-kr2mg 3 года назад
@@lombardia1509 Roger. On a surface called Earth
@ghazankhan7600
@ghazankhan7600 3 года назад
@@RP-kr2mg weak era champ
@Himachaltimes2024
@Himachaltimes2024 3 года назад
Rafa is only goat.He fought both djoker and Roger at primer
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 года назад
@@Himachaltimes2024 don't forget 2011 and 2015 NOVAK DJOKOVIC completely dominance over NADAL... 12 straight wins in finals
@dzonibravo7867
@dzonibravo7867 3 года назад
Suddenly number of GS is not that important? When Roger was on top there was no debate? Now Novak is getting close and we are changing GOAT rules? Nice try.
@Mr.Edd3905
@Mr.Edd3905 3 года назад
The whole argument about ‘weak’ NextGen players or ‘prime’ Fed vs prime Novak seems to be part of some other kind of discussion. For most players, pundits and tennis followers, the debate is rather about who emerges as having had the best career on court. The weak era arguments are too subjective, they can’t be proven or put properly to the test, and they are not productive because there is no given criteria for a player like Novak or an upcoming player to aspire to or meet the requirements. If Novak is not the greatest because his recent slams are not fought against prime Fed or youthful Rafa, then the debate is over and the door effectively closed for the rest of time, which is neither fair nor productive. The point is that the ‘best-career-on-court’ debate (which hitherto recent events was used by Fedal fans) is a debate based around one’s whole 15+ or 20+ year career. If Novak ends up physically better off than Rafa in the next 2 or 3 years, then that is not all down to luck. If Novak cashes in on some slams in his thirties when apparently the other players are not up to scratch (not my opinion), then his perseverance, determination and attention to health and fitness has paid off better in the long-run. In summary, if people want to have this highly subjective debate over age differences and so on, then fine, but this is a different discussion or debate. If it took Federer 7 years of appearances to finally reach the semis at the French, then it shows that he was a bit of a slow starter. Fed has also been good in his thirties, but Novak does seem the better player in this late stage of career - he has clearly been fitter, more flexible and more ferocious than Fed between 31-34. Even if Federer was better in his early to mid-20s (which is debatable), well, that is not really the discussion most people are having or care about. Holding all 4 slams at the same time (2016) is an incredibly rare feat in either men’s or women’s. If Novak is the only one to do it (in recent times), then that is an achievement “unlocked” that neither Fed or Rafa did. They’ve all had their dips in form and injuries and surgery etc. They all had their chances to achieve great things. But if Novak ends up obliterating the stats of the others (e.g. top ten wins, No.1 weeks, slams etc., spread of victories on different surfaces), then he will be the best (at best for the time being).
@hype2beast119
@hype2beast119 3 года назад
Agree. Before there was no debate. Everyone said Federer was the goat because he was the only one with 20 grand slams. Now that Djokovic is about to break the record people want to make excuses lol
@fender1000100
@fender1000100 3 года назад
@@hype2beast119 Yeah pure DESPERATION.
@Coa_Kralj_Coa_The_King
@Coa_Kralj_Coa_The_King 3 года назад
@@Mr.Edd3905 Agree!!! Novak Is holder of records witch Fed and Nadal couldn't do it together,All 4GS in the same time,All 9 Masters twice,All 4 GS twice, weeks like number 1, years like number 1, H2H, highest ATP points, nearly 17000,and many many more...And it's not over yet... He's already The Greatest tennis player who ever lived!😉🥇👑💪👊🤫🎾💯🐐🤡🇷🇸❤️
@fender1000100
@fender1000100 3 года назад
@@Coa_Kralj_Coa_The_King For sure. The only question left is how far he can go now. He is no longer chasing Federer and Nadal. He is now chasing Steffi, Serena.and Margaret court. Their numbers are 22 23 24 Novak will almost certainly match 24 by the end of his career. And possibly pass it. And in this era it would be a far more impressive achievement.
@rajanchana4232
@rajanchana4232 3 года назад
Brilliant content, such a refreshing take on this topic
@justicetiwol1147
@justicetiwol1147 3 года назад
Let's just enjoy them, we will miss them when their gone
@S1rWakka
@S1rWakka 3 года назад
We're enjoying the debate just as much as their game
@QueArgh
@QueArgh 3 года назад
No its always an interesting debate, let it carry on. It also says alot about a person if they believe Federer is GOAT. The argument can only be made for Rafa and Novak
@mikthe2004
@mikthe2004 3 года назад
@@QueArgh Novak!
@mikthe2004
@mikthe2004 3 года назад
They're gone!!
@danishdhar8374
@danishdhar8374 3 года назад
1:18 Update: Djokovic is on 18 and 28 now July 11 ,21 update: Djokovic level with rafa and Roger. 20 and 30
@Summon256
@Summon256 3 года назад
I hope he can keep winning more slam finals without ever losing one! 10 lost finals is more than enough!…Especially at the US Open! He shouldn’t have lost as much as he did! That US 2012 against Murray and 2013 one against Nadal will forever haunt me! The one to Wawrinka in 2016 is also quite painful...He now shares this “unfortunate statistics” with Lendl, who also lost 5 finals out of 8 he played! That is squandered for someone, who is considered hard court goat! Imagine Nadal losing more RG finals than winning! I hope until the rest of his career Djokovic will add at least 2 more to at very least make it even (not even asking for more! Just 50/50 success ratio will be fine!), but first he has to figure outa how to stay in the tournament without getting disqualified...
@2CSST2
@2CSST2 3 года назад
​@@Summon256 Djokovic also has a 100% 9/9 conversion rate in the AO, the other hard court GS, THAT'S why he's considered the hard court goat. Lendl is 2/4 at AO. The only thing unfortunate here is you not understanding that cherry picking specific results is meaningless, the whole picture is what tells the story. His overall record on hard court GS is 12/17, that's 70% success rate, we're WAY past the '50/50' success rate here, it's also higher than Federer's success rate at Wimbledon of 67% 8/12, and he's widely and grass goat without controversy. And while Nadal has perfect success at the FO final (which again Djokovic also has at the AO), his success rate at anything other than the FO is 47% while Djokovic's record at non hard-court GS us 55%.
@Summon256
@Summon256 3 года назад
@@2CSST2 Well the problem here is that US Open and not AO seems to be the biggest hard court event...i would have agreed if Djokovic had 9 out of 9 record at the USo and the opposite of what he has now at the USO at the AO, in which case it would valid argument, but US Open is 2nd biggest tennis event of the year, next only to the Wimbledon, while AO is the least prestigious of the four...so i dunno pal...i'm Djokovic fan, but...
@guruk
@guruk 3 года назад
@@Summon256 🙆🤦 do u understand tennis !!!
@guruk
@guruk 3 года назад
@@Summon256 its clear as broad daylight u r more a fedal fan than nole fan !!! Edit ur earlier comment from fan to critic 😉😇
@zudiekarlbalundo5350
@zudiekarlbalundo5350 3 года назад
"...we're gonna miss them when they're gone." Damn. That hits so hard
@FootFaultTennis
@FootFaultTennis 3 года назад
Completely agree with all your points. The GOAT debate is pointless, especially right now, all it does is validate toxicity and bias across fanbases.
@juancarlosjuancarlos4629
@juancarlosjuancarlos4629 3 года назад
Goat debate is pointless. If Fed didn’t get old in his early 20s he would beat 17 years old Nadal on clay. You could clearly see that when he played against young Nadal he was already losing speed. Also when playing against Djokovic on slams he looks 60 years old. If result is 40-15 he becomes even older. If Nadal and Djokovic would met Fed in his prime he would destroyed them. In his prime from July 2003 to April 2004 Fed could beat Safin and Rodick. Djokovic and Nadal were lucky to be born later and avoid prime Fed
@juancarlosjuancarlos4629
@juancarlosjuancarlos4629 3 года назад
Even if Djokovic will hold soon all tennis records Roger will still be a goat in my eyes because of his mental toughness. He reminds me of Michael Jordan mentality because he is so efficient in crucial moments. Even if whole stadium is cheering against him he always finds way to show who is the real goat
@juancarlosjuancarlos4629
@juancarlosjuancarlos4629 3 года назад
@John Smith Roger was beaten even by 17 years old Rafa. Rafa has the same number of slams but he is younger and can win much more. He has way better h2h against Roger. Also he has more masters. Roger also didn’t win slam against Djokovic for almost 9 years, he lost all 3 Wimbledon finals they played. But Roger will always be a goat even if Rafa and Novak are way better players. We Fetards will never admit that Roger is dominated his whole career by 2 better players. We will always find stupid excuses to claim that Roger is a goat. Roger is our hero, Roger is tennis 😜
@vojislavl6665
@vojislavl6665 3 года назад
@@juancarlosjuancarlos4629 I see what you're doing there haha😁
@SimonJack94
@SimonJack94 3 года назад
@@juancarlosjuancarlos4629 lol what
@ChaunceyDos
@ChaunceyDos 2 года назад
Novak is the GOAT. Nadal is the most unique and unforgettable. Fed made it look the easiest at his best.
@STANKORachev
@STANKORachev 10 месяцев назад
Wrong opinion
@jsy361
@jsy361 2 года назад
Most interest fact: Nadal has scored the best winning percentage against the Big Three at the majors. Nadal owns a 20-11 record (10-7 vs Djokovic and 10-4 vs Federer) against his biggest rivals; Djokovic is 18-16 overall, and Federer is 10-21.
@david-yn2bf
@david-yn2bf 2 года назад
Djokovic has better record vs nadal by one win
@012Manuel210
@012Manuel210 Год назад
Though Federer’s poor winning percentage is most likely due to his age. His prime was already over when Nadal and Djokovic started hitting their primes.
@vladimirmarkovic4947
@vladimirmarkovic4947 Год назад
Not interesting fact. Yes, I am team Djokovic but if you read carefully you will realize that I am speaking objectively. Truth is, Nadal was occasionally wise but much more powerless. What I want to say and you can check it out - majority of these wins are on clay (FO). Translation would be: very often Nadal wasn't good enough to qualify to play against Djokovic (or Federer in that sense) on hard courts or grass while Djokovic and Federer (but especially Djokovic) was able to get to play against Nadal on clay. It is 8:2 for Nadal on FO (Nadal's fortress) and only 2:0 for Djokovic on AO (Djokovic's fortress)...it was not Djokovic's fault that Nadal lost to Murray or other players. On the other hand, Djokovic was very consistent on FO. Yes...ironically, Nadal have more USO than Djokovic; it is partly Djokovic's fault, but it is not anymore only due to reasons related to sport. My point is - it was (and it is) more likely for Djokovic and Federer to appear in late stages of FO and face Nadal than for Nadal to appear in late stages of any other tournament and face other two players. I recently found out - Djokovic has appeared in astounding 13 consecutive FO quarterfinals...if there was not 2009 loss in third round it would be 15+ consecutive quarterfinals. That is wise part of Nadal's game...he realized very early that he is the king of clay (and nobody can deny it) and he often skipped other tournaments or lose (intentionally or not, we will never find out) in early stages. And, of course, win them when he is in the top form.
@everly-shadystudios9900
@everly-shadystudios9900 3 года назад
This was totally enjoyable to watch from start to finish thank you for doing such a fabulous job for putting it in perspective and keeping me on my toes this was well-worth while and I'll be saving it on my playlist for me and others to enjoy thank you again
@stefan2608
@stefan2608 3 года назад
Novak GOAT
@brocklesnar8780
@brocklesnar8780 3 года назад
Haaa aaa pussykovic
@Sandsubha
@Sandsubha 3 года назад
@@brocklesnar8780 lol
@tom0176devo
@tom0176devo 3 года назад
You can't separate the big 3 in my opinion. They all have vaild arguments to be GOAT, but they have their holes in their credentials too. I think if Djokovic overtakes both Nadal and Federer in every stat (especially slams), it's hard to deny that he's the greatest, but for right now, they are all at an even level (imo).
@valdencorr2861
@valdencorr2861 3 года назад
Djokovic is 3 slams behind Fedal....3 slams ain't no small thing.
@ncc1701218
@ncc1701218 3 года назад
Yes but he won evere tournament! He will have most weeks at number one and positive h2h with both Federer and Nadal All ready has most records and by the way is the youngest If we add that he was best in golden era... Well, in my book he’s missing just one record for western approval that he is the best
@Smokeye74
@Smokeye74 3 года назад
@@ncc1701218 Nadal had to deal with prime Federer and prime Djokovic. And yet, if number of clay, hard and grass tournaments were evenly distributed, Nadal would be the undisputed GOAT. And if there was 2 clay GS instead of 2 hard GS in a year, the other two wouldn't even be in GOAT discussion. The same argument can be made for Federer for 2 grass GS in a year. But the only reason Djokovic is in GOAT debate is because there are two hard GS in a year, many hard 1000s and hard ATP finals.
@ncc1701218
@ncc1701218 3 года назад
@@Smokeye74 If!! Underline that if part. Djoko is best all round player. In that scenario he would adapt. And yes, hard surface is most common on the tour. That’s why there is more competition. Name five clay players and five hard court players from 2010 till this day(beside big 3) Who is having bigger challenge to win: Nadal on Clay with Djoko,Thim,Wawrinka,Ferrer, Federer,Murrey... Or Djokovic with better Federer, better Murey,Del Po, Tsonga, Wawrinka, Cilic, Zverev, Medvedev, Berdych,Raonic, Yes he is the best clay court player but Djokovic is best all around and hard court player; and he also has great results on grass against Federer If you need to choose some one to play for your life who would you choose? Evere smart person would choose Nadal on clay. But what if you have to choose a player before you know on which surface would be a match? In that case Novak is better choice!!!
@Smokeye74
@Smokeye74 3 года назад
@@ncc1701218 with all due respect, I would choose prime Federer if the surface is unknown
@mickaellandry9726
@mickaellandry9726 3 года назад
The GOAT conversation wouldn't have been pointless if Federer had converted one of his 2 MP against Djokovic. Federer's fanboys would have talked everywhere and everyday on how Federer was the undisputed GOAT. Now all of sudden, the debate is pointless just because Nadal and Djokovic are overtaking the most important records in tennis. You said hypocrisy ?
@dewman7477
@dewman7477 3 года назад
There is no goat overall since no player is the greatest on ALL surfaces. Even 10 years ago I never believed in the GOAT since it depends on surface who’s better. On grass it’s either Sampras or Federer, on clay it’s clearly Nadal, and on hard courts it’s likely Djokovic. On carpet it’s McEnroe and indoors it’s edge to federer. So surface matters who’s better and the tour is uneven in surface distribution which makes goat debate impossible in ideal world
@pr-tj5by
@pr-tj5by 3 года назад
@@dewman7477 True but you have to take an overall look and with Djokovic just one GS behind and with a winning record against Roger and Rafa it's tough to look at anyone else
@dewman7477
@dewman7477 3 года назад
@@pr-tj5by no denying that but it’s not as lopsided as anyone thinks it’s debatable but this RG made things interesting. I don’t think there’s a goat when no one dominated all surfaces. Maybe on one surface but not all. Plus the imbalance of surface distribution between clay and hard and grass courts doesn’t give an accurate representation of stats. But make no mistake it’s still an accomplishment for the big 3 even in this homogenized era since early 2000s
@pr-tj5by
@pr-tj5by 3 года назад
@@dewman7477 We need to take a look on average at all 3 surfaces Roger got many of his GSs before the other 2 turned up and Rafa won his last 2 US Opens without facing Roger or Novak, you also have to remember that Rafa hasn't beaten Novak for 8 years away from clay and he hasn't beaten Roger for 7 years away from clay, Novak for me
@dewman7477
@dewman7477 3 года назад
@@pr-tj5by ok that’s your opinion
@wanderer6960
@wanderer6960 3 года назад
No1E G.O.A.T.😎
@rag7027
@rag7027 3 года назад
By a good margin too!
@pr-tj5by
@pr-tj5by 3 года назад
@@rag7027 I have to agree especially after his 19th
@davidpascall3631
@davidpascall3631 3 года назад
@@pr-tj5by and 20th
@pr-tj5by
@pr-tj5by 3 года назад
@@davidpascall3631 👍
@tonydaysog9164
@tonydaysog9164 3 года назад
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are truly the g.o.a.t.s. But, I will always have Bjorn Borg as the one who changed tennis -- not only brought it into the modern era but made the sport into the cultural phenomenon it now is. That hair! The clothing style! That mysterious persona! That racket swinging style! Think of it: even though he never won the US Open, he still fought hard ...winning the French, Wimbledon and getting to the U.S. Open final all in the same year (1978 and 1980). Also: Borg brought out girls and women, who, in turn, got more guys to play the game. Until Borg, tennis was always considered a sissy sport. Borg changed that! Boys and men wanted to be like Borg! Even McEnroe said so. Borg was truly one of sports' (not just tennis) ROCK STARS!
@QueArgh
@QueArgh 3 года назад
Because of Borg more guys got into tennis for female attention, is that what you are saying?
@tonydaysog9164
@tonydaysog9164 3 года назад
@@QueArgh yes...actually John McEnroe says the same thing. He actually was a great fan of Borg before hitting it big in 1977, for the reason I wrote. Also: I remember in the 70s every guy thought of tennis as a prissy (or gay)(ie white shorts, gentlemanship [except Comnors]...Wimbledon was on PBS!) sport . . . until Borg. Girls loved Borg -- had posters of him. That was big in the 70s! That got more teen guys playing...becsuse more teen girl got into the game. Borg change the game for the better!
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 3 года назад
Yep. Tbf, wether you acknowledge it or not, 90% of what men do is done to attract women
@StudyingManually
@StudyingManually 3 года назад
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 Attracting women is not important. I always do what I think is best, not what women like.
@karlkatrak7318
@karlkatrak7318 3 года назад
lol prime novak vs anyone in their prime .....id bet my house on novak
@rolinti9146
@rolinti9146 3 года назад
Prime Nadal was better
@danielkurtovic9099
@danielkurtovic9099 3 года назад
@@rolinti9146 not even close. Nadal crush in 2010 won 3 grand slam and enter in 2011 in his prime. It was question mark at the end of 2010 , could be Nadal in his prime be the first male tennis player after Laver win a calendar Grand Slam. We all knew now how prime Nadal go vs Novak in 2011 all in finals.
@mattytownsend9633
@mattytownsend9633 3 года назад
Looks like i’ve one a house cuz Federer beat him in his prime in 2015 and Fed was injured
@bitanmandal977
@bitanmandal977 3 года назад
Then get ready to be homeless..lol
@APRA30
@APRA30 3 года назад
Hahaha Prime Federer
@mfguio
@mfguio 3 года назад
I'm Federer fan, I really look up to him but I must accept that in terms of titles and statistics Nadal and Djokovic will have better numbers at the end of their careers, however the influence of Federer in the sport, the way he made this sport so attractive for new generations, his leading, his charisma and especially his technique and the beauty of his game will made of Federer the GOAT.
@Gligorije01
@Gligorije01 2 года назад
I think Novak is the goat because the numbers matter. His style, his haircut, his backhand, his manners. It's all a nice addition but the most important thing is results..
@miroslavjanecek9993
@miroslavjanecek9993 2 года назад
@@Gligorije01 His haircut :D :D :D That's a great idea for a criterium. :)
@RamZar50
@RamZar50 3 года назад
The Fabulous 3 are the greatest tennis players of all-time. They’ve won more Grand Slams than all other players and would’ve won more if say there were only two instead of three of them. It’s tough to pick one of the three and that should be left for when all three have retired. For now, I hope to continue enjoying them for several more years.
@iang8169
@iang8169 3 года назад
I rate Gonzalez as the goat as he was no 1 pro in the world 8 years in a row and 3 months after laver won the grand slam, Gonzalez at 41 years old beat him in 5 sets in the final of a tournament
@Sandsubha
@Sandsubha 3 года назад
Djoko is the only GOAT. He eats grass too....
@theUroshman
@theUroshman 3 года назад
😂😂😂
@sub2t-series714
@sub2t-series714 3 года назад
Your wrong but ok
@nevenamilosavljevic2829
@nevenamilosavljevic2829 3 года назад
@@sub2t-series714 Goat eats grass, whats problem
@sub2t-series714
@sub2t-series714 3 года назад
@@nevenamilosavljevic2829 Djokovic isn’t a goat he is a racket smasher
@user-cf5cv3zd6j
@user-cf5cv3zd6j 3 года назад
Sub…, have any fact?) no! Cry baby cry
@Pazuzu82
@Pazuzu82 2 года назад
I'm more of a Nadal fan these days, I did like Ivanisevic back in the 90s him and agassi had the best charisma. but I'll have to say that Novak Djokovic is probably the GOAT.
@controversialmusic9141
@controversialmusic9141 3 года назад
It is the best I ever heard on this stupid debate. They all greats, it depends who you favour
@Smokeye74
@Smokeye74 3 года назад
depends more on which surface they play..
@chloeharvey5684
@chloeharvey5684 3 года назад
It’s between Rafa and Djokovic, Roger is a weak era champion.
@controversialmusic9141
@controversialmusic9141 3 года назад
@@chloeharvey5684 hahaha there is no weak era bro, every match is a difficult match, it’s actually the opposite in Roger era there was more than one world champion Carlos Moya, Kuerten, Agassi, Safin, Hewit, Roddik and some amazing better players than now like Nalbandian do you even know him??? Someone might argue the last 10 years been the weakest era because only 3 or hardly 4 players winning everything????? They are not gods if there was a kid with the talent of Boris Becker as a kid he would have thrown 3 of them over. All in all every match is a difficult match, plus Nadal been around since 2005 and winning only on Rolandgarros? That was Federer era, if you don’t blame Djokovic and Nadal for not winning enough when they were young don’t blame today’s young players then. If you understand tennis it’s all about how you play every match you could lose against no 500 If you hate Federer it’s your opinion but the way he plays the game no one played the same in terms of elegance and aggressiveness. Plus Sampras and Agassi, Borg and Conors, Lendl are in the debate as well
@Smokeye74
@Smokeye74 3 года назад
@@chloeharvey5684 nonsense, stop being delusional because he is half a decade older if not more
@OriginalKarasu
@OriginalKarasu 3 года назад
@@chloeharvey5684 hahaha good one.... :/ but no!!!
@natashas9026
@natashas9026 3 года назад
Who is the greatest tennis player of all time? Roger is like graceful dancer Rafa is like a brutal boxer Novak is like a lethal martial artist To determine who really is the GOAT, simply look objectively at all the major records, stats and facts, applying rational thinking and logical reasoning. The answer is obvious to the objective and unbiased mind. Keep the wishful thinking, delusional dreaming and misguided emotions out of the discussion. It is important to factor in that Roger has played about 5 years/ 90 tournaments & Rafa has played 2 years/ 35 tournaments more then Novak. That said, now it’s time for a comprehensive review of the top 50 major records & stats. Major Records & Stats, Novak Roger Rafa Advantage 1. Total Titles 82 102 86 Roger 2. Winning Percentage 83.10% 82.00% 83.10% Novak-Rafa 3. Grand Slam Titles 18 20 20 Rafa-Roger 4. Masters Titles 36 28 35 Novak 5. Year End Championship Titles 5 6 0 Roger 6. Total Big Titles 59 54 55 Novak 7. Big Titles Conversion Rate 59/194 54/237. 55/190 Novak 8 Big Titles In A Year 10 8 8 Novak 9 Four Straight Grand Slams 1 0 0 Novak 10 Three Straight Grand Slams 3 2 1 Novak 11 Consecutive Slam Titles. 4 3 3 Novak 12 Consecutive Master Titles 12 9 9 Novak 13 Consecutive Year End Titles 5 4 0 Novak 14 Golden Masters 2 0 0 Novak 15 Years Number #1 6 5 5 Novak 16 Weeks Number #1 312 310 209 Novak 17 Head To Head. 2-0 0-2 1-1 Novak 18 Head To Head Total Won Loss 56-49 39-51 50-45 Novak 19 Head to Head Majors Finals Big 4 13-7 7-10 10-7 Novak 20 Head to Head Masters Finals Big 4. 16-14 8-14 14-13 Novak 21 Head to Head YEC Finals Big 4. 4-1 1-3 0-2 Novak 22 Highest ATP Points Ranking 16,950 15,903 15,390 Novak 23 Highest ELO Points Ranking. 2,629. 2,550 2,552. Novak 24 Highest Peak Playing Level 3 2 1 Novak 25 Grand Slam Finals Wins vs, Big 4 13 7 10 Novak 26 Year End Championships vs.Big 4 4 1 0 Novak 27 Masters Titles vs. Big 4 17 8 14 Novak 28 Winning Percentage vs Top 10. 68.61% 64.55% 65.02% Novak 29 Years with 20 plus wins vs Top 10 5 0 1 Novak 30 Years/Matches Required on Tour 18/1112 23/1513 20/1193 Novak. 31 Level Of Competition 3 1 2 Novak 32 Losses Holding Match Point. 3 22 8. Novak 33 Mental Strength. 3. 1. 2. Novak 34 Dealing With Adversity/ Hostile Fans. 3. 1. 2. Novak 35 Five Consecutive Finals 5. 3. 4. Novak 36 Wikipedia Head To Head Tallies. 29-5. 13-33. 19-23. Novak 37 80% win rate on Grass,Hard, Clay. 1. 0. 0 Novak 38 Supreme 14. Majors,Masters YEC. 14. 12. 11. Novak 39 Winning Percentage Record in Finals 70.43%. 65.60%. 69.67%. Novak 40 Winning 71 matches at each Major. 4. 3. 1. Novak 41 Winning Each Master. 9. 7. 7. Novak 42 Winning Majors in 30s. 5. 4. 5. Novak-Rafa 43 Under Pressure Rating. 249. 239. 241. Novak 44 Deciding Set Win % 73.5% 64.8% 68.6%. Novak 45 Mental Toughness Rating. 2.347. 1.817. 1.931. Novak 46 Losing Record VS. Opponents. 3. 10. 3. Novak- Rafa 47.Losing Holding Match Point 3. 23. 8. Novak 48 Deciding Set Tiebreak Win %. 69.2% 56.3 %. 52.8%. Novak 49 Losing First Set Win %. 42.6%. 41.6%. 42.5% Novak 50 Ultimate Tennis Stats Ranking Points 899. 933. 833. Roger Totals 46 4 4 Novak In conclusion, on 50 categories, Novak leads in all but 4 of them. The only reason he doesn’t lead in all 50 is the fact Roger & Rafa have had an additional 5&2 years to pad theirs stats and records. Anyone who is honest and objective knows who the best of all time is.
@lukeivanov2327
@lukeivanov2327 2 года назад
Flawed analysis as always, cherry picking stats for Djokovic. Apparently you got nothing from the video. You're wasting and doing a disservice for everyone when you're comparing legends that are not yet done with their careers.
@faltbasse
@faltbasse 2 года назад
@@lukeivanov2327 Hahhah the stats are as biased as CNN
@natashas9026
@natashas9026 2 года назад
@@lukeivanov2327 not flawed at all Luke. Give one example. Simply look at all the major facts and stats. Novak is by far the best ever
@lukeivanov2327
@lukeivanov2327 2 года назад
@@natashas9026 Your ignorant comment is astounding. "Simply look at facts..." without providing some of your own makes you sound utterly stupid. Nadal has 21 grand slams, more than Djokovic. He has won 4 majors without dropping a set, a feat Djokovic has never been able to achieve. 13 FO, a feat Djokovic will never be able to achieve at AO. Djokovic won a career grand slam twice, yet cannot win a gold medal in the Olympics, an event that does not even hold the same prestige as a GS. Djokovic has a higher H2H against Nadal, good for him... Until you realize he played Nadal 7 times in 2011 where Nadal was pleaged by injuries all season while Novak was well and healthy and when Nadal was in peak physical form in the late 2000s, Djokovic barely played him as much - so like I said, you can cherry pick stats all you want, but there is no denying Rafa is the greatest. Did I mention Rafa has a higher H2H vs Djokovic in GS tournaments? And did I mention that 3 of the GS tournaments surfaces benefit Djokovic more than Nadal? Go take your pestilent self away from this comment section.
@superdopehiphop
@superdopehiphop 2 года назад
Imagine if Rafa didn’t have degenerative foot issue since a kid?!?! Imagine if he just had better injury luck period?!?! He missed 03/04 FO, 10 other Wimbledon/AO/USO and had to to retire 2016 FO 3rd round with wrist injury (Fed’s only FO🏆was that year). He’s won 22/64 majors he’s been in, Novak 20/67, Fed 20/81. If Nadal had played in say 74-76 majors instead of 64 clearly he has 26+ majors right now and without this foot debilitating thing he’s had his whole life damn near I’m sorry objectively this makes him the GOAT. Novak has argument also especially for his 2011-2021 dominance but they’re very close regardless. If you give both 100% health give me Nadal! They’ve both had very close 5 set classic losses to the other at AO/Wimbledon/FO so anyone who acts like it’s not very close is being disingenuous!
@synhet84
@synhet84 3 года назад
Great video, was not expecting such quality!
@knotwilg3596
@knotwilg3596 3 года назад
If anyone could adapt to the modern game and compete with the modern top 3, I'd vote for Borg.
@claussteiner5857
@claussteiner5857 2 года назад
Sampras
@jb894
@jb894 3 года назад
Djokovic now. Especially if he wins all 4 this year he will be at 21 and the only player in the modern era to win all 4 in one year.
@EndoftheTownProductions
@EndoftheTownProductions 3 года назад
It is difficult to compare players from different eras as conditions have changed the game. The discussion should center around who is the greatest against their peers during their era.
@shubhama2908
@shubhama2908 3 года назад
Quite a comprehensive analysis. We will have to wait and watch though for some years.
@MrShabanotti
@MrShabanotti 3 года назад
I root for Novak and for me he is the GOAT,he has to deal Rafa and Roger and in their era to pull 18GS is mindbogling keeping in mind that he always had crowd against him in finals vs these two. Hopefully after this AO he will have succesfull 2021 year so he can cement himself in the history as a GOAT in next couple of years.
@jty9631
@jty9631 3 года назад
I still think fondly of the early 2000's, Agassi and Federer battling it out. I was a kid then, and it gives me a lot of nostalgia to think about. I wasn't alive during Connor's time but watching him play fills me with excitement. There's something about his game that just makes tennis so appealing to me.
@RajeevSingh007
@RajeevSingh007 3 года назад
Brilliant video. Subscribed. and Thanks
@chavarrie.b8698
@chavarrie.b8698 3 года назад
The subject of the debate is between Nadal and Djokovic. Federer is practically out of the question.
@juniormensah1106
@juniormensah1106 3 года назад
First djokovic has to win his 20th grand slam than we will talk
@climatechange9893
@climatechange9893 2 года назад
@@juniormensah1106 hehe
@firojomar5901
@firojomar5901 3 года назад
I am fully agreed with the presentation but for me it's always Nadal.
@jamesedward3619
@jamesedward3619 3 года назад
You agree we shouldn't pick a GOAT but you pick Nadal as the GOAT? Ok...
@vez7257
@vez7257 3 года назад
That’s how you FEEL, the accomplishments are saying Novak. But let’s not predict the future, they are all still playing.
@cindygirlification
@cindygirlification 3 года назад
Laver and Rosewall won over 30 slams which included(pro) slams which is basically what the professional slams are since 69. Plus they both won over 200 tournaments. Emerson also won more tournaments than the current top players.
@callummcandrew5992
@callummcandrew5992 3 года назад
Honestly I think all three of them should be remembered as the three GOATS, they are very evenly matched. If there was a single GOAT then that player would need to be well above anyone else in slams, titles, master titles and weeks at world number 1. The debate of GOAT between Federer, Nadal and Djokovic is interesting though it is way to close to call even when they retire.
@ickomanveselji8450
@ickomanveselji8450 3 года назад
Very nice video !!!
@daveroebuck7771
@daveroebuck7771 3 года назад
Excellent video! Great insights.
@anthony90123
@anthony90123 3 года назад
Just like everyone else I enjoy watching Federer most out of all players. However I would never agree that he is the best on grass when he is 0-3 to Djokovic in Wimbledon finals. And stop saying Federer is 6 years older becoz he didnt lose those matches on fatigue. Djokovic simply has bigger balls.
@akshayyz
@akshayyz 3 года назад
He is 6 years older and the tennis that he produces at his age, djokovic can only imagine in his dreams....the only time djokovic beat him convincingly was in wimb 2015 final nd fed was 34 ( before this age many tennis legends have retired nd fed is still going strong) nd wimbledon 2019 final was the reason y fed is the greatest grass court player even though he lost that match....djokovic can never come close to beating any world no1 on any surface when he is 37+ bt federer almost beat him and was the better player statistically
@boriskostic6964
@boriskostic6964 3 года назад
@@akshayyz He can only dream about it you are talking like they are so much different they are on the same level Djokovic is a little bit better in my opinion. You dont know if Djokovic could beat the Number one in 37 years old it didnt happen. My point is what are you saying is insane
@akshayyz
@akshayyz 3 года назад
@@boriskostic6964 djokovic is a little bit better coz he didn’t have to face the prime fed when he actly started dominating fed....prime federer > prime djokovic....prime djokovic (2011) had to face 30+ fed ( not close to his prime )..still got beaten by fed in 2011 french open semi nd almost got beaten in us open 2011 semi....clearly says who is better....plus thr skill set federer possesses is much greater than djokovic’s skill set !
@Smokeye74
@Smokeye74 3 года назад
Don't pretend like you are a Federer fan. I immediately feel the presence of your kind when I see one.
@dimitrism.1814
@dimitrism.1814 3 года назад
@@boriskostic6964 Fed fan here but i have to give it to Nole. Fed is so pleasing to watch ,elegant and so effortless play but he has certain weaknesses such as his backhand and mentally not so strong. Nole is most complete and clutch player than Fed
@guudnewdle6910
@guudnewdle6910 3 года назад
All i got from this was that a true objective analysis about who is the best just can't be done xD
@Smileater
@Smileater 3 года назад
It can be done. It's between Rafa and Nole.
@Agamemnon5
@Agamemnon5 3 года назад
Novak era 2011-present Grand Slam- Federer 4, Nadal 11, Djokovic 17 Atp Finals - Federer 1, Nadal 0, Djokovic 4 Atp 1000 - Federer 11, Nadal 17, Djokovic 31 Weeks no1 - Federer 25, Nadal 107, Djokovic 311+ Year end no1- Federer 0, Nadal 3, Djokovic 6 HtH- Federer vs Dokovic 10-21, Nadal- Djokovic 11-22 Federer+Nadal Grand slam Fedal 15, Djokovic 17 Atp Finals Fedal 1, Djokovic 4 Atp 1000 Fedal 28, Djokovic 31 Weeks no1 Fedal 132, Djokovic 311+ Year end no1=Fedal 3, Djokovic 6 HtH=Fedal 21-43 Djokovic
@JBprodJosephBae
@JBprodJosephBae 3 года назад
and why do you start from 2011? start from 2001 so federer can whoop djokovic's ass
@Agamemnon5
@Agamemnon5 3 года назад
@@JBprodJosephBae Because in 2001 Djokovic was only 14 years old and Federer had no real competition at the time. When Djokovic and Nadal came along, everything suddenly changed. From 2011 they all played against each other often and the result of these encounters can be seen above.
@NopeP
@NopeP 3 года назад
Lol it should start when they started their careers. Not 2011, Djokovic won his first major in 2008
@cikicar
@cikicar 3 года назад
@@JBprodJosephBae maybe because Djokovic was child then
@sainimishgoparaju6487
@sainimishgoparaju6487 3 года назад
@@JBprodJosephBae how do you feel after getting answered back huh?no question left 😂
@linford545
@linford545 3 года назад
Novak is simply the goat. To win all master 1000 twice 😳🙆🏾‍♂️ that record will never be broken 🤷🏾‍♂️
@LinusFeynstein
@LinusFeynstein 3 года назад
I am a Fed fan. But I would say that Djokovic is the best. He has a positive record against Federer, more or less on par with Nadal or better. Djokovic will most probably break Rogers record of weeks at top position (now it is End of January 2021). He still has chances to reach or surpass the 20 GS victories of Rafa and Roger. Nole shouldn’t take it for granted, because Thiem, Zverev and Medvedev and maybe some new man might be in the way for another record. Djokovic pretty much reigned from 2010 to 2020. He has a positive record in Wimbledon against Roger in his favorite tournament Wimbledon. Only Soderling and Djokovic could beat Nadal in Paris. So, for me, Djokovic is the best. The story would be different if three of four majors were played on slow clay and not on fast grass or hard court. Then Nadal would have like thirty plus major titles. We always forget about that detail that the choice of surfaces in most tournaments favors Roger and Novak over Rafael. Last but not least we shouldn’t forget other greats. But do they come close? Connors had a terrific career, but not enough majors. McEnroe couldn’t come back to a real favorite for the majors after his time out in 1986 or so. Lendl never won Wimbledon. Becker never won a clay tournament. Agassi played horrible volleys and had some bad years compared to the big three. Borgs fire went off at the age of 26. Laver, Emerson etc. can’t be compared, because they played at a time when tennis was still a gentlemen’s amateur sport and was played with wooden rackets. The only one who can be compared with the big three is Sampras, who had the best attacking game. But he never took clay court tennis really serious and had just semi final as best result in Paris. That is pretty bad compared to Roger and Novak, who, both would have won many titles in Paris if there had not been Nadal. So, you can pick any of those three. It will be an excellent and correct choice. I think we should not forget that from 2000 on, the game became so much more athletic and physically demanding compared to the eighties and nineties. I think the rackets in the nineties were not that much worse. Wilson Pro Staff, Head Prestige and Yonex etc have been around since them. But the strings were improved in the early zero years, so we see much much more top spin. I dare to say that most top twenty players of the last two decades would have won a major title in the years before 2000. A time machine would be the only way to test my hypothesis.
@silka87
@silka87 3 года назад
He won RG and Wimby ;)
@Coa_Kralj_Coa_The_King
@Coa_Kralj_Coa_The_King 3 года назад
He break everything bro,now is July... Debate is over!!! He's the GOAT!!!
@haroldsmyth6685
@haroldsmyth6685 Год назад
Laver won 2 personal gs with his wooden raquet in a very very competitive era. Nastase. Ashe. Newk. Rosewall. Smith. Not his fault he only had wood to use
@shuvammishra2837
@shuvammishra2837 3 года назад
Wonderful take on the topic. I hope more people find your channel!
@Smileater
@Smileater 3 года назад
But No1e is the GOAT
@gideonroos1188
@gideonroos1188 2 года назад
It's obviously Federer, not only for his performance over the years, but for his personality. I mean, he is literally known as a 'gentleman on and off the court'. That said, I do believe a more appropriate way of viewing it is that Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic are the three pillars of good tennis, together they embody all the principles and skills a good sportsman and tennis player should have. Not to mention that they're all great friends off the court, too.
@MrJayb76
@MrJayb76 3 года назад
Those 3 dominated more than any other 3 in any other era. No debate there. The 4th one is light years away from them. They have set up such standards and accomplishments that it is almost impossible to replicate. Just look at Nadals 13 RG titles. That in and of itself cannot be replicated.
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266
@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 3 года назад
Well, it could probably could if Nole kept winning AO 5 more years...
@brocklesnar8780
@brocklesnar8780 3 года назад
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266 by then how many clay titles nadal would have??
@xav9258
@xav9258 3 года назад
No, no, no!
@HenryZhoupokemon
@HenryZhoupokemon 3 года назад
I think the Big 3 needed each other to push themselves to this level. Fed, Nadal and Djokovic all coulda dipped after 15 or 16 Slams and retired early as the undisputed GOAT. Instead they all pushed each other to nearly 20 slams each
@disneyhater6987
@disneyhater6987 3 года назад
It’s not all about slams, but who was #1 the longest
@twentytwo138
@twentytwo138 3 года назад
I never watched tennis in my 24 years of age and suddenly i'm interested a little bit. But i feel sad that i missed everything by Roger, Novak and Nadal. What i learned about them is they're like Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, Maradona, Xavi, Iniesta... If i ever start watching tennis for real, i will have big regrets for missing them. They even played in my city during ATP, and i could never care less because i didn't know them lol.. Maybe i will just have to endlessly watch their highlights on youtube.
@siddharthdighe5908
@siddharthdighe5908 3 года назад
Great video. You just won a subscriber.
@rohangupta9326
@rohangupta9326 3 года назад
I don't care who the goat is... But it's fair to say that Federer has had the most impact on tennis out of all the legends....
@valentinvanruiz
@valentinvanruiz 3 года назад
Nadal is better. You will see
@farhatk6054
@farhatk6054 3 года назад
cant argue with that , Federer is also by far the most popular among them
@rohangupta9326
@rohangupta9326 3 года назад
@farhan it's not even about sheer popularity ..its about what he's given to the game...one of the biggest reasons why tennis itself is so popular today!
@rohangupta9326
@rohangupta9326 3 года назад
Depends on how you define greatness sir! If it's only based on statistics then you are being a bit biased.
@StudyingManually
@StudyingManually 3 года назад
@@farhatk6054 The popularity of Federer is ridiculous. Nadal and Djokovic are way better!
@metblvette
@metblvette 3 года назад
I've been watching tennis for 40 years, and people have this debate every generation. I don't think there is a greatest of all time, because the game evolves every 7-10 years. I remember back in the 80s, everyone thought Borg, Connors, and Mcenroe were the greatest with their volley games and everyone thought they were the greatest. Then Becker came along with his power serve and volley game, and everyone thought he was the GOAT. Then Sampras and Agassi entered in the 90s with their attacking games, and everyone thought they were the greatest. Then Federer came along with his variety game in the early 2000s, and everyone thought he was the greatest. Then Rafa and Djokovic came along with heavier groundstrokes, and now fans of this generation think they're the greatest. I think each player has their strengths and weaknesses. It's impossible to decide who the "greatest" is. I think the best four players are below: - Sampras was the dominant player of the 90s and probably had the best offensive game of any player. Also, he played tennis at a time when the clay and the grass were very different from each other. But he never won the French Open. - Federer was the dominant player from 2000-2010 and has the most longevity of any player. But he lost a lot of big matches to Djokovic and Rafa. - Rafa dominated at the French Open for 15 years, but he never really dominated the game. He was generally the second-best player to Federer during the 2000-2010 era and then the second-best player to Djokovic during the 2011-2020 era. - Djokovic was the best player in the world when Federer, Rafa, and Murray were all playing good tennis from 2011-2020. But he dominated at a time when the surfaces were fairly homogenized, so it was easier to win with a straight up baseline game.
@bsrussian
@bsrussian 3 года назад
that is an amazing take on it. i think its a great way to basically put that they're the 3 goats.
@metblvette
@metblvette 3 года назад
@@bsrussian Like I said, I think that you can only say who is the best of that generation. Laver was the best in the 1970s. McEnroe and Borg were the best in the 80s. Sampras was the best from 1990-2000. Federer was the best from 2000-2010. Djokovic was the best from 2011-2020. Rafa was the best for a few years here and there from 2000-2020. I think those are the only conclusions we can draw. The game changes so much and improves from generation to generation.
@stuewz
@stuewz 3 года назад
@@metblvette I agree with everything, but it's important to say that Nadal never really dominated the game because he's had the toughest competition. When he peaked he had peak/prime Federer to face and a few moment later he had peak/prime Djokovic to face.
@bsrussian
@bsrussian 3 года назад
@@metblvette yes it does, I just sincerely doubt that anyone would have been able to match the longevity of the big 3 as this era is by far the most difficult one
@rishbahpandey8697
@rishbahpandey8697 3 года назад
@@metblvette Nadal the GOAT.will he be your goat if he wins 25+ slams??
@DanielHernandezCa
@DanielHernandezCa 3 года назад
Very good video. Well made!! Please now do one of football (of course it means soccer).
@anirbanghosh7987
@anirbanghosh7987 3 года назад
What makes a GOAT in any walks in life is that "I won't be denied of what i want". Be it money, fame, women, championship whatever. You never settle for anything less
@nujeru99
@nujeru99 3 года назад
Tennis didn’t magically become what it is today in 1968. When the Open Era started, there were 3-4 different pro men’s tours, and no uniform pro women’s tour. Also, the 4 GS tournaments as we know them today, didn’t all become uniform among all players until the late late 80s and early 90s. In the 70s, most top players skipped Australia and skipped the French half of the time. The year-end Championships and tournaments like the Philadelphia Indoors and New York indoors had Grand Slam level prestige. I say all that to say, tennis’s history is way to complicated to base “who’s the GOAT” on most # of Grand Slams or tournaments won-but a lot of tennis fans today don’t know the history of the game, and just go by analytics/numbers
@xav9258
@xav9258 3 года назад
Great analysis. A lot of people don't realise that Borg, Connors and Mac for instance, missed 1 or even 2 slams a year at certain times.
@JaySmith-ym6zd
@JaySmith-ym6zd 3 года назад
After the 2021 French Open, I'd put Djokovic leading the clubhouse at that point. Minimum 2 of each slam & the non-calendar-year grand slam + most weeks at number 1 make up being behind by 1 in the grand slam tally, after I'd seen it achieved. If Federer's 20 was the yardstick to score on g.o.a.t, Novak could possibly rate 20.5 with those extras. Nadal's 20 include 65% from one major only, less diverse than Federer with minimum 5 of 3 best majors. There was also the missed 2020 Wimbledon which affects the balance - Roger & Novak probably have more claim to an opportunity there than Nadal based on last 10 years, although it's also some opportunity for Rafa to add a 3rd for himself, balancing his spread of majors. One more Australian for Nadal is huge opportunity for matching Djokovic's minimum 2 of each achievement. This or 2 more majors would undisputedly put him on top of the g.o.a.t contest.
@eduardoantonio2172
@eduardoantonio2172 2 года назад
well... we won hahah
@hbsblkk3842
@hbsblkk3842 2 года назад
@@eduardoantonio2172 dont count, djokovic was banned.
@NopeP
@NopeP 3 года назад
Just asking a question: Who do you think will be the goat at the end of their careers? How many majors, weeks at number 1, Masters 1000, Olympics, Tour finals, end of year number 1's etc do you think the big 3 will have.
@aliciamcdonald7105
@aliciamcdonald7105 2 года назад
I Whole-heartedly agree with your perspective. No metric anyone comes up with will be agreed by everyone and as such it is POINTLESS to debate this. I have my favorite and I have my reasons for that just like everyone else and that should be that.
@corettaaicha
@corettaaicha 3 года назад
Roger is the goat for winning more than 1 slams on all surfaces except RG, Rafa is the goat for winning 13 time on one surface (umbeliebable),and Novak is the goat for defeating them to win slams except at RG😅. The rafan in me🤣🤣; but all jokes aside they are all 🐐 🐐🐐
@paulotorres5022
@paulotorres5022 3 года назад
You do realize that what you said about Federer is true for all three right? Rafa has 2 of each except AO and Novak has two of each except RG. So how can that make Federer greater than the other two? Stupid comment. And also, Djokovic has defeated Rafa at RG unlike Federer. Not in a final but he has defeated him.
@isaz597
@isaz597 3 года назад
Lol this aged so badly after Djoker destroyed Rafa in RG semi final.
@corettaaicha
@corettaaicha 3 года назад
@@isaz597 destroying is winning in straight set 6:0 6:1 6:2 , it was a beautiful match and nole was the best player. This rivalry won’t be complete if nole don’t win 20 slams. Like nick said they’re one kind in a life time 🐐🐐🐐🙌
@Sealdrop
@Sealdrop 3 года назад
don't act like any player 1900-2000 could compete with the top 3, just look at old tennis clips it's like 10 year olds today
@jackmeyer8656
@jackmeyer8656 3 года назад
to 2000???? As if people like Sampras and Agassi couldn't do well today. That's called recency bias.
@dewman7477
@dewman7477 3 года назад
Tell the current modern players to play with wooden rackets and no modern medicine back in the early 70s to 80s. They won't do well as Laver and McEnroe and Borg back then with those circumstances. Man you are an idiot
@nujeru99
@nujeru99 3 года назад
Spoken like someone who knows NOTHING of tennis history prior to 2005 lol
@cudderlover1216
@cudderlover1216 3 года назад
In a individual sport where 4 titles are so heavily weighted, imo the player with the most grand slam titles won. This isn't like basketball where you have to have teammates they impact your performance.
@igorstambak718
@igorstambak718 9 месяцев назад
You can really see the age of the video here. Djokovic was at 17 and the other two at 20. He has since won 7 grand slams (a third of what the other two had at the time) and likely added 2 years as #1. Federer fans in particular have tried to cling onto a "there is no GOAT, they are all so close" for years now but they really aren't close at all anymore.
@dondgamer
@dondgamer 7 месяцев назад
Federer is still GOAT. He still has enough records in tact for mine and the fact that he won five straight in not one but two grand slams is a feat no human will ever match. Djokovic was always going to overtake Federer, but time ran out for Federer, due to age. Nadal has always had injuries so his time has been limited also. Federer lost 6 years on Djokovic and 5, Nadal - Those two were always going to start winning more matches due to fresher bodies. That doesn't take away from what Federer achieved previously, 20 slams will always be enough for GOAT status because of how he achieved it.
@seanhurley4003
@seanhurley4003 3 года назад
Well said... it's an impossible question many of these goat debates. First question might be, what does "greatest" mean to you?
@Smileater
@Smileater 3 года назад
Of course is my opinion, but also anñ fact that debaters usually forget to mention and it's an incredible achievement.
@benparsons4979
@benparsons4979 3 года назад
it means best
@milanvesovic1703
@milanvesovic1703 3 года назад
There were never era of 3 players like Federer Djokovic and Nadal playing at same time. Therefore from this golden era GOAT should be announced
@milanvesovic1703
@milanvesovic1703 3 года назад
@Jack Of Blades hahahhaha, with Murray and Wawrinka, Del Potro, Ferrero. And how can you remove them they were there. moron
@lucian7338
@lucian7338 3 года назад
What a fantastic video. This is how one turns a tennis novice into a full-blown acolyte of the sport. I'll hold back on sharing my own views on the debate as I must admit, I'm pretty biased. However I must say how much I appreciate the manner in which this video has allows us to view the debate from an all encompassing, open vantage point. It's also clear to see now how the Big Three have impacted the narrative of Tennis, and all of sports as a whole...
@Nakakapagpabagabag1
@Nakakapagpabagabag1 2 года назад
novak roger and rafa are like 3 f1 race drivers which are tucked in the slip stream of one another and changing positions
@sks146
@sks146 3 года назад
For me it's Rafa Nadal though both has 20 GS titles but R .Nadal defeated Federer in his GS favourite surface ie Wimbledon but Federer has never Defeated Nadal in RG ie Clay Djokovic has 17 GS titles so far but lets see after the three has retired who will be the GOAT
@paulotorres5022
@paulotorres5022 3 года назад
Nah if that's your argument then Djokovic has defeated Federer in Wimbledon and Rafa in RG, but Rafa has never defeated him in Australia....
@sks146
@sks146 3 года назад
@@paulotorres5022 rafa has more GS than Djokovic
@mdbilal7373
@mdbilal7373 3 года назад
@@paulotorres5022 he beat injured nadal,not a legal win in my book
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 Год назад
@ Paulo, yes but Djokovic only beat an old Federer at Wimbo. Rafa beat him at his utter peak in 2008
@haajiryabre335
@haajiryabre335 3 года назад
Excellent narration and awesome video overall. Watched one from UEFA RU-vid about appreciating LM10 & CR7. It’s better to the stop the debate to at least until they hang up their racquet(big 3or boots(cr7 lm10)
@rishbahpandey8697
@rishbahpandey8697 3 года назад
Messi is way better than Ronaldo and Nadal way better than Federer.
@haajiryabre335
@haajiryabre335 3 года назад
@@rishbahpandey8697 wonder which sports you are watching. It’s clearly not Tennis and football.
@tom0176devo
@tom0176devo 3 года назад
@@rishbahpandey8697 they are equals, with different styles, you cannot compare. Just watch and enjoy
@rishbahpandey8697
@rishbahpandey8697 3 года назад
@@tom0176devo no no no.federer was always considered goat when he has most slams.now if Rafa win more and more slams he should be considered goat.all big 3 wants most grand slams records ,Federer feel super good when anybody says he is GOAT.federer has more fame,money, recognition than Nadal because he was known as GOAT,it's Rafa time now
@vez7257
@vez7257 3 года назад
@@rishbahpandey8697 Don’t fight, Novak is officially GOAT.
@espritdelescalier1244
@espritdelescalier1244 2 года назад
It's important to consider if we are considering who was "the best" or who had the best record. In terms of consistency and career performance the three listed were undoubtedly the best. But if we compare all given players at their best I'm not so sure. It's difficult for me to picture any of these three being able to beat McEnroe in his prime, especially if McEnroe had access the modern technology, training, conditioning and coaching that these three had. They were certainly better athletes and hit harder but in tennis touch and control count equally. McEnroe's racket control and accuracy was beyond anything I've ever seen. He also had the ability to control games using his return. Also, people don't talk much about anticipation but in Tennis this is everything and McEnroe's anticipation was super human. It is also safe to say that if he was playing in the same era as these three he would have been more athletic and had a better serve. Great Video.
@adifferentkindofanidiot2215
@adifferentkindofanidiot2215 3 года назад
Love your channel
@parasovhal8573
@parasovhal8573 2 года назад
Djokovic is my favourite 💪 In my unbiased opinion,Djokovic will be the Greatest tennis player of all time at the end of his career But I must say Nadal is the most entertaining player to watch and I love watching him play
@drkvenger
@drkvenger 3 года назад
Interesting to think that Roger, Rafa and Novak may all end up with 20 Majors. Rafa may bag another FO, but he can only hold back Thiem, Medvedev and Zverev for so long. Novak will likely get to 19-20 this year. Roger will be 39 and while my heart says he has a shot at Wimbledon, he's racing against father time as are the others. Sad to think the changing of the guard has begun.
@sadikmuktar9961
@sadikmuktar9961 3 года назад
So Nadal is the GOAT.
@paulotorres5022
@paulotorres5022 3 года назад
@@sadikmuktar9961 If he is at 21 and no one else is, he should be for now. What Federer fans don;t understand is that they made the rules for the GOAT debate the day Federer surpassed Sampras with 15 slams. Federer has been the GOAT because he has the most slams. Now that that record is in imminent danger if Rafa wins another RG, Federer fans start to use other arguments to make him the goat. The truth is, as I said before, they set the rules, and if a player has more slams than Federer, then that player is the GOAT. I'm a Djokovic fan and I think that as things stand right now, Federer is still the GOAT because he has the most slams (tied with Rafa), but he has been number.1 for so much more than Rafa. Djokovic will soon overtake weeks at number.1, but he is till missing the slams in my opinion.
@sadikmuktar9961
@sadikmuktar9961 3 года назад
@@paulotorres5022 yes right
@guilhermestringheta2902
@guilhermestringheta2902 3 года назад
Rafa will win at least 3 more rg, he wins without putting any effort into it, he didnt dropped a set last year
@arcorke
@arcorke Год назад
Funny how these numbers have evolved since this video and thread. To 20 apiece, then 20:22:22 Also poor Thiem 😢
@david-sb2mh
@david-sb2mh 2 года назад
*THE SERBIAN PEOPLE HAVE HONOR* . 🇪🇦❤️🇷🇸I am Spaniard and I am next to Novak Djokovic. Resist Novak against the tyranny of the NWO and the health mafia. Even if you don't play one more game in your career, YOU ARE AND WILL BE THE BEST TENNIS PLAYER EVER. Greetings brothers from Madrid, Spain.
@QueArgh
@QueArgh 3 года назад
Good vid
@joshheinink
@joshheinink 3 года назад
Federer needs 110 title for record
@paulotorres5022
@paulotorres5022 3 года назад
Yeah but that record means nothing in the goat race. Otherwise Connors would be the goat right? Also, given that Djokovic, Nadal and Federer have almost the same number of big titles, Federer having more titles than them only means he plays worse events to build upon that record.... It's the truth.
@disneyhater6987
@disneyhater6987 3 года назад
Who was the longest #1 ? It’s Djokovic
@rade6026
@rade6026 3 года назад
Win Grand Slam tournament beating at least one of top 3 seed player. Đoković 15/18 (83,3%) Nadal 15/20 (75%) Federer 10/20 (50%) Win Grand Slam beating one of top 3 seed player in final Đoković 11/18 (61,1) Nadal 12/20 (60%) Federer 5/20 (25%) Win ATP 1000 tournament beating one of top 3 seed player Đoković 22/36 (61,1%) Nadal 18/35 (51,4%) Federer 13/28 (46,4%) Win ATP 1000 beating one of top 3 seed player in final Đoković 17/36 (47,2%) Nadal 13/35 (37,1%) Federer 9/28 (32,1%) Win ATP world tour finals beating one of top 3 seed player in final Đoković 4/5 (80%) Nadal - (0%) Federer 2/6 (33,3%) Win ATP world tour finals tournament beating one of top 3 seed player Đoković 4/5 (80%) Nadal - (0%) Federer 6/6 (100%)
@SuperOrbion
@SuperOrbion 3 года назад
nice video . Verry well sed . It s really about who likes who . No fan of a specific player would accept their favorite to be second best even if the facts woul hit them in the face. That being sed you have to see that Federer really have the most creative , technical and compleate game:)) hard to be impartial here
@RickeGnool
@RickeGnool 2 года назад
The more important question for me is who my favorite player of all time is, which is Nadal.
@whfan007
@whfan007 3 года назад
Nadal will win more French Open titles than all of the players in the video will win slams combined. 😘
@kumarprateek238
@kumarprateek238 3 года назад
No, Roland Garros will ban him for being too brutal🤣🤣
@militod6588
@militod6588 3 года назад
And who win last french open ? Novak GOAT
@srnablanusa6830
@srnablanusa6830 3 года назад
Yeah..he won another one.. oh wait no.. Novak did.. :)
@DevenderKumar-mh6fl
@DevenderKumar-mh6fl 3 года назад
Novak destroyed rafatards
@BabyFed
@BabyFed Год назад
I greatly respect both Nadal and Djokovic, but, regardless of what any statistics say, I think Federer will always be the GOAT! His peak was far and away the highest of any to ever hold a racquet. From 2004-2008, I think he came the closest to perfecting the game of tennis we’ll likely ever see from any player. Best forehand, best slice, best footwork, one of the best serves, one of the best one-handed backhands, and the most phenomenal talent to ever play the game. If it comes down to intangibles and the eye test, in my mind, Federer has the clear edge in the GOAT debate.
@mickaellandry9726
@mickaellandry9726 Год назад
Your intangible is so biased and subjective Big titles in tennis 🎾🏆 1. Major titles 2. ATP finals title. 3. ATP masters titles 4. Olympic gold medal 66>59>54 Djokovic>Nadal>Federer Goat criteria 🐐 1. Major titles 2. ATP finals titles 3. ATP masters titles 4. Olympic gold medal 5. Most weeks as world no 1. So hence Djokovic is objectively Goat of tennis. Djokovic won 22 major titles Djokovic won 6 ATP finals titles Djokovic won 38 ATP masters titles Djokovic was world No1 for 386 weeks.
@BabyFed
@BabyFed Год назад
@@mickaellandry9726 your interpretation of what makes a GOAT tennis player is equally as biased as mine. You’re only using a single category of consideration specifically suited to fit your argument for Djokovic….. at least mine was far more nuanced and encompassing despite my bias towards Federer. Also, Federer’s prime was objectively better in almost every metric imaginable: H2H Records Prime Djo v. Fed (2011-2015): 17-9 = 65.3 win% Late Prime Fed vs Djo (2006-2010): 13-6 = 68.4 win% True Prime Federer vs Nadal (2004-2007): 6-8 = 42.9 win% True Prime Nadal vs Federer (2008-2013): 14-18 = 77.8 win% True Prime Nadal vs Djokovic (2008-2013): 15-15 = 50 win% Late Prime Djokovic vs Nadal (2014-2015): 6-1 = 85.7 win% Elo Grand Average Peak Ratings Federer’s True Prime Average Elo (2004-2007): 2501.25 Djokovic’s True Prime Average Elo (2011-2015): 2541 Nadal’s True Prime Average Elo (2008-2013): 2473.5 Grand Average Match Win% Federer’s Extended Prime Average Match Win% (2004-2010): -Overall: 88.5% -GS: 92.8% -Masters: 83.3% -Grass Courts: 96% -Hard Courts: 88.2% -Clay Courts: 84.4% -Best of 5: 92.2% -Best of 3: 86.3% -Versus Top 5: 66.9% -Versus Top 10: 75.1% -After Winning First Set: 94.4% -After Losing First Set: 60% Federer’s True Prime Average Match Win% (2004-2007): -Overall: 92.7% -GS: 95.2% -Masters: 88.5% -Grass Courts: 98.4% -Hard Courts: 93.7% -Clay Courts: 86.4% -Best of 5: 93.9% -Best of 3: 92% -Versus Top 5: 79.2% -Versus Top 10: 88% -After Winning First Set: 96.4% -After Losing First Set: 68.5% Djokovic’s True Prime Average Match Win% (2011-2015): -Overall: 89.2% -GS: 91.7% -Masters: 89.4% -Grass Courts: 87.1%** -Hard Courts: 90.3% -Clay Courts: 87.9% -Best of 5: 91.5% -Best of 3: 88.9% -Versus Top 5: 72% -Versus Top 10: 80% -After Winning First Set: 96.9% -After Losing First Set: 58.8% Nadal’s True Prime Average Match Win% (2008-2013): -Overall: 86.7% -GS: 91% -Masters: 85.9% -Grass Courts: 64% -Hard Courts: 81.9% -Clay Courts: 95.4% -Best of 5: 91.4% -Best of 3: 84.2% -Versus Top 5: 64.5% -Versus Top 10: 71% -After Winning First Set: 96.3% -After Losing First Set: 46% Streaks/Records Federer’s Extended Prime (2008-2010): -Titles Won: 13 (Average: ~4/year) -Total ATP Tournaments Played: 51 (Average: 17) -Total Win% of Tournaments Played: 25.5% Federer’s True Prime (2004-2007): -Most consecutive weeks at #1: 237 weeks -Titles Won: 47 (Average: ~12/year) -Total ATP Tournaments Played: 64 (Average: 16/year) -Total Win% of Tournaments Played: 73.4% -Grand Slam Final appearances: 13/16 = 81.3% -Grand Slam Semifinal appearances: 15/16 = 93.75% Djokovic’s True Prime (2011-2015): -Most consecutive weeks at #1: 122 weeks -Titles Won: 41 (Average: ~8/year) -Total ATP Tournaments Played: 78 (Average: ~16/year) -Total Win% of Tournaments Played: 52.6% -Grand Slam Final appearances: 15/20 = 75% -Grand Slam Semifinal appearances: 19/20 = 95% Nadal’s True Prime (2008-2013): -Most consecutive weeks at #1: 56 weeks -Titles Won: 36 (Average: 6/year) -Total ATP Tournaments Played: 97 (Average: ~16/year) -Total Win% of Tournaments Played: 36.1% -Grand Slam Final appearances: 13/21* = 62%(was absent from 3) -Grand Slam Semifinal appearances: 16/21 = 76.2%
@HarleyMars.
@HarleyMars. 3 года назад
Extremely well-made video.
@kevindang7252
@kevindang7252 3 года назад
The history of sport don’t count how love you are, they count how your winning and dominate the gaes
@seadkurbasic9726
@seadkurbasic9726 3 года назад
Looking today,Novak the best,this guy is unmistakable.
@thefedererexpress7609
@thefedererexpress7609 3 года назад
Really well done. Only thing I would add is that the guardian poll was proved To have been hacked and he put wildly in Djokovic’s favor.
@vez7257
@vez7257 3 года назад
After 6 months, the poll is correct.
@stebone123
@stebone123 2 года назад
this is simply the correct take on the GOAT debate
@losmi433
@losmi433 Год назад
For a long time it's not a debate.. One goat, one man, one legend.
@schmirgldecks
@schmirgldecks 3 года назад
And lets not forget career grand slam djokovic has, and all 1000 masters he won
@slytlion
@slytlion 3 года назад
he's on his way to beat all the numbers. he will not just in one case: if roger came back winning slams which is unpredictable. but who knows he's the most talented ever.
@pavlemegane
@pavlemegane 3 года назад
Djokovic is defenetly G.O.A.T. He has most major titles and still counting. Most weeks as No. 1 on atp list. Best h2h against both Nadal and Federer. Most years finish as No.1. Only player in history with all masters titles (2x time each !). All records are on his side. Only player in history that have 4 GS in same time. So everything is already over about goat race.
@Sticktothemodels
@Sticktothemodels 3 года назад
Doesn’t have an Olympic gold, and only has one title at RG.
@pavlemegane
@pavlemegane 3 года назад
@@Sticktothemodels So ?? No player has everything, but GOAT is one who has most major records.
@Turrican60
@Turrican60 3 года назад
@@Sticktothemodels Federer and Nadal don't even own a full set of Masters 1000 titles, so they can hardly share in the unique feat of holding the *two sets* that Novak has achieved. He now also holds the all-time record for most weeks as World No.1, which is yet another landmark achievement that neither of them will ever equal, let alone break. At the end of the day, tennis is as much about *consistency of performance* throughout the season as it is about winning Grand Slams, and the prestigious Masters events are huge indicators of precisely that. Pinning your argument to the Olympic Gold is absurd in this regard since it is an event that only takes place every four years, in which case it's hardly a reliable guide to 'greatness' as it's not an annual event to be competed for. Furthermore, that one victory at Roland Garros that you mention means little in terms of actual numbers as Novak has still achieved 18 Slams with doubtless more to come. Besides, who rules Melbourne Park? Same thing, isn't it? Nine Semi's = nine wins; nine Finals = nine Championships. Just a reminder there to add much-needed balance to your obviously loaded 'point'. Of course Novak's solitary French title did enable him to hold all four Slams at the same time, something that I don't ever recall Federer or Nadal doing, unless you can tell me differently? Incidentally, winning all four of those titles consecutively was yet another pertinent example of that all-important *consistency of performance* that I mentioned previously... .....just as holding winning records against *BOTH* Fed and Rafa similarly demonstrates.
@NopeP
@NopeP 3 года назад
He's not the only player to hold all 4 majors at once. The goat debate isn't over, its over when they all stop playing tennis. What happens if nadal wins the next 3 majors? It will flip again, what happens if djokovic starts losing the h2h against them etc etc. Thwr are far too many variables to say who will end as the best. Literally last year when nadal won the French open, everyone was saying he was the goat. Now djokovic has won the australian open people are saying he is the goat. It changes with every big tournament win. If Federer wins Wimbledon this year, oh Federer is the goat. The debate isn't over until its over for all of their careers.
@sanjapkoki
@sanjapkoki 3 года назад
I agree. Why is this still being debated. Why are we even mentioning Federer? It's now big 2.
@mence5992
@mence5992 3 года назад
very well made video
@justinsaehoon
@justinsaehoon 3 года назад
What a great video
@ninefortyeight9310
@ninefortyeight9310 3 года назад
1. Djokovic 2. Sampras 3. Nadal 4. Federer
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 года назад
Is almost impossible to understand how much is difficult task for NOVAK and NADAL to achieve this magnificent number and overpass all this Roger Federer record.... unbelievable performance from this two superstars players.... to be better number then Roger Federer is really for greatest respect.... NADAL and NOVAK are original GOAT position next couple of years race is open
@Drzahman
@Drzahman 2 года назад
None of them are head and shoulders above the other two meaning no goat but a generation that will be remembered as the goat.
@milanm403
@milanm403 Год назад
Djokovic is in numbers exactly head and shoulders above the other two.
@kitano
@kitano 3 года назад
Dont forget that the Big 3 players make progression in their game, they all have a period where they were unstoppable so the others have to improve... For me, the players who have
@kitano
@kitano 3 года назад
...reach the highest level is Djokovic in 2011 and 2015...
@user-oe4wr9tn2n
@user-oe4wr9tn2n 3 года назад
@Ronish Padhy 2005, 2006, 2007 Roger
@user-oe4wr9tn2n
@user-oe4wr9tn2n 3 года назад
@Ronish Padhy The problem is there was never a year with Nadal that he just absolutely dominated like Federer or Djokovic. He won 60 out of his 80 tournaments on clay, so I feel like he is hands down the greatest clay court player ever, but saying that he is the greatest player ever after only winning 20 something tournaments outside clay in my opinion doesnt make sense.
@haroldsmyth6685
@haroldsmyth6685 Год назад
@@user-oe4wr9tn2n thats another argument lol good point
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