Female Rap Has a Flop Problem 

The fact that more men support female rap artists like Rapsody shows that stan wars are more important than actually supporting your favorite artist

honestly idc About numbers Meg Is still A talented rapper or person in general To stay with

No one hates female rap more than female rap fans lol

The problem truly lies with these industries who don't allow these women to be better versions of themselves but they try to make them an emulation or a copy of who's the best female artist NOW. Nicki Minaj was able to break that cycle because she was not trying to be a better version of Lil Kim or foxy Brown, I'm not a Nicki Minaj fan but I can respect true talent, not something factory made.

Ice Spice, Meg & JT do better than a lot of the men who aren’t superstars.. the only different is male rap fans don’t overly obsess with numbers at the rate alot of female rap stans do.

Honestly i believe in megan. I think shes got what it takes.

If JT is a flop then I'm proud to say I'm a fan of a flop. That mixtape was easily the best female rap project dropped this year.

Ima need a consistent definition of a flop honestly, cuz i still don’t see how megan doing 63k was a flop to people but jt doing 26k was good??

Female rap is like Female sports. Women talk a lot about stuff they dont support... WNBA for example.

Remember when they said Queen Nicki’s 4th album flopped? Mind you it sold 167k. Truth is none of these girls can crack 100k it’s internet hype mostly

Everybody gon flop at some point😭😭

Most of these female rappers are better to look at than listen to. This is why their socials are popping, while their albums are flopping.

I was absolutely flabbergasted when I saw barbs call Megans 64k a flop but praise Jts numbers. Its the hypocrisy for me 🏃🏽‍♀️

Everyone is way too focused on stats and numbers to me

I miss when every girl wanted to be a singer

Hopefully talent starts shining again because promoting half naked women is getting really old. We need artist who have lyrical ability that can go in the ring with the guys not because the guy wants to sleep with them, but because the girl,can out rap the guy.

How can female rap be in its “flop” era when this year has been a PEAK for investment in female rap? Between basically EVERY big or cult female name in rap dropping projects and several beefs in the mix, 2024 to me is the peak year of female rap imo. Numbers be damned, if you can create conversation or if its simply just the fans getting an abundance of what they want then thats all that really counts.

I’m just confused when music listeners started giving a damn about numbers because it’s not our job that’s the people behind the scenes and on the artist label and team to worry about what numbers they pulling .

I’m so tired of talking about numbers and who’s “flopping”. Most artists will never go gold, let alone platinum. That time has passed. At this point, I just want one of the girls to make a truly classic, no skips album. The kind of album that would have you in FYE or Sam Goody ready to spend your allowance lol. We haven’t gotten one of those from ANY of the rap girls imo.

PF2 was a flop. Nicki has a strong fanbase and that’s the only reason she still makes numbers

Megan was a good album, I just wish she had did more songs like otaku hot girl and mamushi. They were different that what’s out now

Atp just feels like a popularity contest

Meg didn’t flop so stop the CAP..!🤷🏽‍♀️

Why do first week sales matter so much in music? The albums are still going to sale after a week. Is it just for bragging rights or something?

You bring up an interesting point, when did the audience gravitate to the sales and numbers the most, it’s like ppl only want something if others have it or like it, there’s no individual taste at a large scale. Of course there are exceptions but it’s weird how that came to be, who cares about what a song charted if it genuinely affected you in some way.

People expect to much and not just enjoy the music, we have selection, in the 90s 2000s we didn’t gripe bout the range compared to now. Now it’s flops, charts etc

Lakeyah is an amazing artist.... The problem is that she can't make good songs (Hooks to be specific). Same with Flo Milli. Flo's album sold 15k first week. "Never Lose Me" was a hit... but that's about it. Nothing else on her album made any noise. I actually like Monaleo, but all of her song sounds the same... Sonically and subject matter. Kaliii got a hit song because she sampled "Area Codes" by Ludacris and it went viral on TikTok. That was a year and a half ago and she has been unable to make any noise since then. Lola Brooke has officially fell off and there is no coming back from it.... She has a deeper tone to her voice (similar to GloRilla) but it seems like she is purposely manufacturing her voice to be deep where as Glo's voice sounds a bit more natural... Essentially what im trying to say is that it really doesn't matter how well you can rap or how much lyrical ability you have.... if you cant write clever hooks that people can rap/sing along to than you will get left behind. I think sometimes we forget that the hook is the most important part of the song.

This is the kpop capitalism formula, they saw how bts and other kpop groups were being treated by fans and american companies saw money

i cant “exept poop”

It’s in its flop era because everyone is giving up on their artist, too many rivals, fan groups beefing, just a bunch of drama, and ppl want something new. And it’s sickening. Even when we get some new, no one wants to hear it.

Female hip hop is in need of a complete overhaul. Versatility, great story telling and super catchy hooks with a new sound is overdue. Many a new artists are doing the exact same thing the last one did instead of being original.

Fans who care about numbers are weirdos.

‘MEGAN’ self-titled album is the best female rap album of 2024.

I don’t understand how y’all say Megan is a flop for doin 64k but y’all be the same folks that be hypin up Sexy Redd who did 24k. Mind y’all Doja Cat scarlet did 74k last year and she still went on a sold out international tour.

Female rap is hot right now. But it’s also a bit boring. On the mainstream side, Doja is the only one giving something varied and what feels like eras, the only one really giving songs. She is willing to switch up her vibes, switch up the topics, come at topics in different ways, work with different producers and sounds, and seems genuinely focused on song crafting. The obsession with trying to go viral or trying to come off cool and indifferent has taken away a lot of artistry. Everyone is scared to flop and everyone is scared to look silly and scared to do something in the least bit “out there”. And yes, Stan-dom and how judgmental blacks can be has stifled a lot of creativity and individuality. But aye, whatever you enjoy keep on enjoying it.

I'm my opinion music itself has always been in its flop era, music and to being on social media is to know that music has always been in the flop era, and the flop era is ignited in social media by stans. Social Media with music is still in its stan era, so flop era in music will still exists.

I don’t think female rap has a flop era, I think fans are delusional and not realizing rap is declining in popularity in general. Everybody is selling less

As a barb I’ll be honest, because people chose to drag and clown Nicki over her Queen album (which was great) selling 185K, I’m always going to say something for anyone doing less 🤷🏾‍♀️. Cardi B also ushered in a new wave of number watching because she continually posted and bragged about stats and top 10’s so now watching charts and streams and sales is like on obsession for some fans.

The new female rappers and just new artists period don't have a fanbase. They are blowing up off of IG and social media. Established artists have their loyal fanbase and are able to sell in the hundreds of thousands while the new artists it seems the norm is about 20-30k.

I feel like in a few years we will see who truly lasts. In this moment, we are able to see multiple female rappers taking center stage in black media, much like how all these R&B artists came out making the same type of bedroom music in the early 2000's, but everyone has their top 3 faves in 2024.

The barbs run female hip hop and that’s what’s holding women back

jt dropping no bars and sideways really had me excited for the album bcz she started off her journey so well bt her project was a bit underwhelming to me ( i stl like a couple songs tho) and crazy to say i thought ice spice was gonna give deli , in ha mood , butterfly ku type vibes bt frm her project i only like one song😭

I think female rap is at a turning point its either the genre is dying down cause looking at streams it doesn't feel like gp is really interested. OR, it is opportunity to usher in talent and lyricism in female rap. Cause right now these female rappers ain't doing it for GP. Except for Nicki Doja or maybe Cardi who shall remain powerful due to their fanbases.

Let's NOT forget: Back in the day, Nicki made it her MISSION to not be classed in the same category as the other girls. She was up there with Jay, Kanye, Drake, Wayne, and Eminem. But slowly, Nicki has not been able to compete with her actual peers, for example not making the business moves of Jay or the numbers of Drake...so, the barbs quietly put Nicki BACK in the 'female rap' category and thought we wouldn't notice. Now, because she's in a comfortable category (not with her peers) she seems to win by default. It's like a 40 year old in a high school class passing all the tests and getting praised for it. She shouldn't BE there to begin with!

Glorilla is doing really well atm

Its seem artists can't even sell 30k these days

i don’t think female rap is flipping right now at all tbh. i listen to the feeling myself playlist on spotify and hear a lot of the artist you mentioned flo milli, baby tate, doechii, lakeyah, kalii, monaleo, sukihana, dream doll, rocky badd, big boss vette, i could honestly keep going on and on. there’s so much talent going right now so thats why it’s kinda easy for me to tune out the repetitive from more popular artists lol

I think the problem is that we don’t have enough diversity in main stream female rap. Like I don’t want to hear about u shaking ur a** every song. When my mom was coming up she had women like MC Lyte, Yo-Yo, and Queen Latifah. If u wanted to listen to provocative music u could listen to lil Kim and foxy brown. Male rap works bc there are male rapper like lil Baby and j Cole to opposite ends of the spectrum.

Fighting over first week sales is useless because physical albums is not the way people listen to music anymore. Streams make a bit more sense but even then, numbers doesn’t necessarily indicate how good an album is. The thing that does is the album itself lol. With mainstream female rap, the problem is, there are only slight differences between the girlies. And then these girlies don’t really evolve their sound or subject matter. So I’m not surprised that they are struggling with longevity. It’s starting to suffer in the way male rap has been for a fat min. It’s a genre wide issue at this points

Female rap is in the "flop" era. The only one that moves unit is Nicki, Ice spice got a taylor swift feature, Nicki Minaj feature, and Travis Scott and only sold 20k first week. Sexxy red was hanging around Drake the last year and a half, made a song with chief keef, and got promo by the WWE, and she only did 28k first week.

We as the consumer shouldn’t care about the sales ….. when ice spice dropped munch 2 years ago it seemed organic very natural, when JT was featured on like that remix ; again it was organic and natural now it seems like a gimmick or ruse to rise in stardom. Like ice spice rushing to get that album out because she had all these rumors circling her about it and I’m about her tour. It’s not organic anymore female rap hasn’t been organic in a long time. When flo released ‘never gonna lose me’ it was so popular that she had over four remixes out. You don’t need four remixes to the same song when it’s just other artist, adding their verse on your song, not even a remix of the song. I think female rap is more of a cash grab than flop it’s just not organic anymore

I feel like whether you *NOTICE* or *NOT* a lot of the styles today sound alike. *DIFFERENT* cadence but overall they sound the same or just *ONE DIMENSIONAL*

It's mainly the labels and A&Rs fault. First week sales is a bad metric for success. You can thank Akademics for pushing that narrative hard smh

Theyre flopping bc they’re boring us fr they never change the way they rap the cadence and flow is getting so goddam boring i hate to compare talent fr but at least Nicki and Doja cat sing and touch a few different genres like even Megs new album while it has Japanese verses and references but she didnt really use any Japanese city pop sounds theyre all boring me i dont even listen to half of them anymore bc im bored (i listen to everything but my main genre isnt rap anyway i like Alternative and 70/80s music the most ) but id go to listen to the rap girlies bc it was more interesting than male rappers but now im like … okay do something new

Female is too invested in its appeal on the masses rather than the women innovation within the art.

Dochi *IS NOT* a rapper she's like Fergie or Azelia Banks when she sings

Maybe is just me but i think it's cuz we're just tired of the overly sexualized rap and same topice being said 😭😭BUT! I notice when female rappers talk about serious topics (for example "Anxiety" by Megan Thee Stallion which is one of my absolute favorite songs by her), then everyone is quiet and doesn't stream them. It's like a double edged sword. Sexual rap gets more attention but is dying out with attention but the actual serious raps we want but don't get enough attention. Like Rico Nasty, Doechii, Little Simz, and so many more don't get enough attention and they're not overly sexual. I just wish people would see that the lesser known projects need more attention and it's also our fault cuz we don't stream them/pay attention to them. I hope that makes sense 😭Like don't get me wrong I like sexual rap BUT i also love when raw and serious topics are talked about. You can balance both without delving too much into one

20k is a flop. if these mid tier male artists do 50k plus, people like ice spice can do more

I just get sick of the sex talk. I wanna hear some substance. I love Meg. She not a flop to me her albums are in rotation on playlist. I just wanna hear some real good music. I miss Gangsta Boo! Give me a La Chat😂

female rap stan culture is making the subgenre unbearable. plenty of songs that didn’t perform “well” on the charts are classics, take the electric slide for example lol.

Regional Sounds are almost obsolete. Before Internet regions were more able to develop their own sound. Now everyone sound alike.

I feel like people shit on Ice Spice way too much. She knows shes attractive, and like every other current artist, uses it to her advantage. Y2K! was honestly amazing and did show her versatility vs current chart toppers like The Death of Slim Shady & Vultures 2. Cant wait to hear what she puts out next...

I think the big issue is that a lot of these female rappers are more popular as public figures on social media then they are as artists which is why they might have millions of followers on Instagram who are interested in their day-to-day life and will interact with every single pic/vid on Instagram. But then when their album comes out it flops. They haven't been able to translate their fame into a core fanbase who loves and will support their music.

I liked Glo’s project the best this year! She still sounds authentically herself, the lyrics were good and the beats were fire! 🔥

It is male rap. Dudes write 80% of these women’s rhymes

The popular ones don’t even wanna support the lyrical ones who would’ve thought that Travis Scott would make a hit with Kendrick

I feel like people (specifically fans) are way too obsessed with numbers and sales, female rappers are always gonna be called flops because its more fun for people to clown on women then lift them up, im so tired of it, i wish people would just listen to what they like cause they like it, its way more fun to just listen to music you enjoy than tear everyone down

It is business after all so numbers do matter. Female rap is not a lucrative genre for executives to invest in. The girls ain’t selling and it is shameful

They're a flop if we comparing them to Nicki Minaj... Honestly, Nicki are just a leap farther away from these others girls and they're really not on her level. If we compare them amongst their level, i think the competition is there and the top spot is anyone to take...

Ice spice album did more than her so, but gotta see what the following weeks do. Everybody else they flopping

The Aussie rap girls deserve more love such as: Tkay Maidza, Vv Pete, A.GIRL, Tokyo Vendetta, Barkaa, Queen P and so many more

Tiacorine has been standing out the most to me lately

All numbers down nowadays. It’s the way streaming setup.

Megan on album no 4/5 is a 3 time grammy winner with a solo no1 this year and went on tour and sold 64K flop. JT is a new solo artist building her fans so 28K is not great but not too bad Latto is on album no2 put out a load of singles was on remixes this year probably won’t sell 35K is a flop Ice spice tracks with nicki and taylor put out 2-3 singles to sell 28K flop Labels are in debt and not getting a return on investment

i personally do not think that female rap is in a flop era in the same way i don’t think male rap is in a flop era. i think within any genre there are artists who flop or don’t make the strides you expect. but within those genres you still have excelling artists. in female rap alone i think of rapsody, doechii, lil simz, and flo milli just to name a few. everyone’s perspection is different i suppose.

I think female rappers are in their best moment but its something that is getting popular (massively) now so its like slowly growing

Female rap bar has been lowered so bad. Its sad to see. We are actually debating whether 20k and 30k are flop numbers. Megs numbers were decent. But still not good enough for a roc nation girl with

I think the genre has a quality problem because of too much hit chasing. Around 2020-2021 the hits that came from Meg, City Girls, Doja, Nicki, Rico, and Flo Milli felt raw and genuine. It felt joyful and authentic. Now everything sounds a little fake - the biggest songs currently like PTTR, Mamushi, anything by Ice, some stuff from Nicki are tiktokified. JT and Glo are the only girls that didn’t put out disappointing albums in the past year imo

Try to name a male rapper from this new gen (from late 2019/2020 to now) who is doing well and then you'll notice its not just female rap, but rap in general

Too many people are focused on 1st week sales. Most of these albums atleast go gold eventually

I want to call these flops, but truth be told we all know these fan bases are not that big. Labels are spending more money to make them visable, and hoping it will attract a following. Cardi B was the 1st successful case.

I feel like female rap needs something that would shake the game up like instead of diss tracks they can work it out on the remix like instead of charli xcx and lorde it would be Nicki Minaj and cardi b

Sounds like no grammy next year for spicey.

Honestly I don’t consider anything a flop these days. Ppl have to realize music is received much differently. One thing about music fans these days, we don’t buy shit! And that’s the truth 🤷🏾‍♀️ streaming has ruined music for like 90% of artists. Unless you’re already established it won’t work. Plus the music itself is not original. In female rap it’s the same topics Mind you I love it all it’s so boring. Plus.. with Stan wars ppl only care about the beef not the music itself. One last thing ppl get too comfortable with the word flop when to me everybody flopping because 20k is wild the label’s gonna go broke soon 😂

Megans album is certified gold with 500k sold in under 2 months. That's not a flop to me.

I think we need something/someone new & fresh or maybe even just sick of rap at the moment especially from the rap girls. Time for the men to step up lol

People seem to not want to talk about Hip Hop and Rap as a whole being in a decline, not judt female rap. People are so focused on numbers first week, but not stability overall. Say what you want about Megan but her album is still stable on the charts in the top 40 and she now sold over 100k on her album, showing stability and steafy growth And there was nothing reported by Spotify themselves saying they removed numbers. It was a rumor started online. RU-vidr J Nolan deep dived more into that

Ice got 28K

I dont think y’all understand sales are streams. 1500 streams = 1 sale. Streams are not adding up how they did few years ago. That means people outside of just y’all girls are not listening. Due to the poor quality n mediocrity of their music. It’s that simple. Women rappers used to be good. They’re not anymore. Simple answer These artists are corny n we

Omg I’m early

okay boom your friend has the same idea that i do. bc i love JT no bars, sideways, and okay were such good singles for the mixtape to not really represent that vibe she was giving initially. city cinderella was kind of boring to me bc i was expecting way more she kept tryna give off this hard rap 90s vibe and it just didn't give

Duhhhhhhh fans matter 😅Hollywood as a whole wouldn't exist with out em 😅

Tik Tok messed up female rap

Can y’all learn to have a difference in opinions and an OBJECTIVE view. The title of the video ain’t about men. Although, that’d be a good next vid idea !

Honestly the men are flopping too. Hip hop is flopping in general. It’s boring on both male and female sides. This Kendrick/Drake beef had people so hyped because rap is boring. Everyone talks about sex, money, and violence. There’s no more story telling or creativity. The videos suck most of the time too. I’m considering going to pop which is crazy.

Jt released mixtape that charted higher than any Cardi's mixtape so I don't think she's a flop

Honestly i feel like features would help in album numbers but thats just me But honestly the only album by a female reapper that hasn't flopped was PF2 😂

Idk why People so obsessed with First week sales lmaoo it's dumb to me if u like the music Listen to it but most them just rapping about the same They need to change the subject matter an have sum Substance real life is Goin on an be go through real stuff an alll this is trash 😂😂😂nothing real same with male rappers

Ive seen several videos like this popped up out of no dxmn way with the same rhetoric but syill bumped them nd buy what they sell. However, my real isue is tht meg is the main girlie in all these thumb nails and she is the far removed frm the conversation....😅 funny

Only one I listen to is JT n that Japanese song by Meg. I haven’t listen to latto or ice spice yet.