Ferrari 458 VS McLaren MP4-12C 10 Years Later 

That's certainly a part of it

Congrats

Yeah they behave totally different. That's what's fun about experiencing them though.

@@normalguysupercar Absolutely, you gotta appreciate them for what they are. Good luck with the sale!

Parts, yes that’s true

Plus it looks better.

Same here. I particularly like the side and back profile. Epitomy of a sportscar outline. Perhaps, check out the channel of Frank Stephenson, he was head of design at McLaren back then and creates excellent videos about automotive design.

Looks are subjective. Not weird at all

I like it too, but the more modern ones I think look a little bit better, my personal favourite would be the 720

I think it's a very good looking car.

@@normalguysupercar Its a good thing you got the car. I can get some idea about the actual quality of the car (reliability department). Looking forward to you explaining about ownership experience and issues you uncover (although you plan to own this for only short time).

Exactly! I'd still take the 458 but I think the McLaren shouldn't be so easily dismissed as a bargain.

I couldn't agree more. I drove Ferraris, Lambos, and several McLarens before I made the decision to go with my 12C. The DIY community is growing, the alternative support for repairs like Thorney Motorsports in the UK, and McMedics in the US are expanding, giving you alternatives with much better pricing. Many of the common issues like temperature A/C screens going bad can now be fixed by their owners for $450 in 15 mins, the accumulators are about $1,300 and can be done in less than one hour. Hose clamp failures, pumps, transmissions, now have DIY options to repair them before they fail for very little money. BTW if you buy a 12C from a McLaren dealer you get a one year limited warranty that will cover the major stuff. You can also still extend the warranty after an inspection for another two years from today. I love the 458, and it will be a timeless classic for sure, but the 12C is a massive bargain right now. You can buy two 12Cs for the price of one 458, this way if you're worried about parts and repairs, just use your space 12C parts lol. Last but not least, most of the issues in a McLaren 12C can be solved by turning off the car, locking it, and leaving it alone for 30 minutes lol. The Corvette Z06 is also going to offer a new, nice alternative to 458 N/A engine fanatics. They sound almost the same, it is faster, more HP, and all new tech with a warranty for half the price.

LOL na, it's sold now.

They are pretty badass

It is the best looking of all the McLarens

The Volcano paint certainly is much better looking in person than in pictures.

Yup

Sorry

Basically.

Those parts wouldn't be hard to get.

Lol I think it was letting fluid in

Thanks

Eh I don't agree with all of that but certainly the 12c is an impressive car

@@normalguysupercar yes lots of generalizations here more, indicative of internet perspectives than actual tangible experiences.

Oh, that is interesting indeed.

I think the reliability thing is not as accurate as people think.

@@normalguysupercar Don't you mean less accurate???

@@dzikijohnny yes typo

Yup

Indeed

Yeah I certainly enjoyed myself

Lol thanks

True

I've been researching as well, and it seems like they are relatively reliable. Obviously it won't be as reliable as a Honda, but in supercar terms they do well.

Yeah the diy is a concern for sure

I certainly think the 458 is a better car but it's hard to argue the $100k price difference right now.

@@normalguysupercarand realistically - 458 *may* appreciate more, but the upside/downside of the 12c is negligible. Spend 110k for a great car, chances are it goes up/down very little. Lots of fun for 110k with little risk other than maintenance. I’d take the 458 for sure in comparison, but independently, 12c is a hell of a car for the price.

Indeed.

Haha yes, all of these cars are very rational. 😁

Yup

Generally

@@normalguysupercar Or, would a 20K mile car be more likely to be more long term worthy due to having the issues already dealt with? Thanks very much.

Indeed

Lol thank you

No, I really am not a huge F1 fan.

Yeah the warranty part is certainly another checkbox in the Ferrari's favor

@@normalguysupercar mclaren is 15 now

True

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I don't really see the 12c as dated looking but the 458 does have more appeal

@@normalguysupercar well I guess once you’ve seen them for a while if you don’t particularly like them that much. The 12C isn’t terrible but not as attractive as all the others in that class. I would rank the 12C last in that group of that era. At least in looks. Lol

Lol

Yup!

In uk the 570 cost 80k

That too

Yup

LOL!

That's true

There are alternatives to the battery for half the price. It is a lithium battery and in most 12Cs it has lasted over 10 years, so when you break that down over 10 years the cost is small. However, you can get an AGM battery for about $1,500, it just requires McLaren to switch the programming from Lithium to AGM. You can even get batteries with a remote option to avoid the window rolldown issue when the Lithium battery dies. As for the suspension, the hydraulic system is amazing and remains in all the Super Series and Ultimate Series cars because it is truly amazing. You can have the ride of a Rolls Royce around town, or the stiffness of a GT3 cup car on a track.

@@DeeperImageAutomotive how are the maintenance costs on the hydraulic system? Is it reliable?

The plate? It's metal

Thanks and I agree, in an ideal world you'd have them all. Lol

Correct.

Very true

Perhaps so.

It says I hate turbo lag... But yes that was intentional

And that's completely acceptable. Lol

Eh I suppose

@@normalguysupercar I was jk, kinda. for me it’s the naturally aspirated engine and the more analog feeling the 458 gives. But if I had to go purely for performance and costs the McLaren would be the best choice.

Yeah

Yup

Thanks

Yeah, I still prefer the 458. But.... not a bad deal right now on the 12c.

For sure

I wouldn't go that far

Those are fun

Yes indeed

LOL!

That's like saying a Patek Philippe isn't a Rolex

What service are you doing that's costing that much?

Yup

when they are worth it lol

Who’s to say we don’t have one? 😉

@@normalguysupercar your sidekicks doesn't count lol

@@PixelVogue we bought one yesterday. Lol

The car is already sold 😉

Indeed

Certainly I prefer Ferrari overall

Cool thanks

Agreed.

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