Two very different cars built for two very different kinds of racing. The Indy lost the start because it's built and geared for rolling start and fast ovals. The Ferrari is built and geared for a standing start and tight twisting turning tracks. Apples and oranges.
And the is Indy car setup for high down force Grand Prix's on road and city street courses or low down force for an oval? What this Indy is set up for we don't know. Is the F1 car set up for a tight turning high down force slower speed course or one with low down force long high speed straights etc., We don't know...
@@Kyle86910, Really I guess that explains why IndyCar stars flop when they try to switch to F1 and why older F1 drivers are usually very successful in IndyCar.
I'm a Formula One fan, and while it's the only class that I pay relatively close attention to, I know enough about some other open wheel classes to know what'll happen if you stick an IndyCar and an F1 car together on a banked oval. I'm sure a lot of F1 and IndyCar fans know it too. F1 cars accelerate and decelerate on a dime. F1 cars have eight forward gears and shuttle through them often, but they never stay in top gear as long as an IndyCar on an oval. Gear changing does not form part of the deceleration formula in F1, the downshifting through a corner made solely to be in the optimal gear for corner exit. For an F1 car to compete with an IndyCar on a banked oval, different transmissions and aerodynamics packages would be required. And blahdy blah bloop. What always strikes me when seeing F1 v Indy talk, or F1 v V8 Supercar or Indy v NASCAR is the binary nature of fandom. You'll see dedicated fans of all claim theirs to be somehow superior in every way as a challenge or a spectacle. More to the point I see comments suggesting that the _drivers_ in one class are uniformly superior to another. And that last point is just horseshit. If you're at the pointy end of the sport and you're there on merit (as opposed to being a pay driver, a state that shouldn't exist), it matters not one bit whether you're in F1 or Indy, you have to be wearing big boy pants to contain your big boy stainless steel balls. One of the funniest things about the binary nature of fandom is seeing F1 fans, for example, going on and on about how IndyCar drivers aren't as good as F1 drivers, then you'll see 'em under an F1 upload bitching about how Lewis and Seb are nowhere near as good as Michael and Mika, or Michael and Mika weren't as good as Ayrton and Alain. Worse, they say all F1 drivers are better than all other drivers in all other classes, but they can't shut the fuck up about how shit Pastor Maldonado was, despite the fact he hasn't had his butt in a Formula One car for over two years and, competitively, never will again.
I just watched the 2018 Indy 500 and immediately following on ABC was F1 in Monacco. I googled "F1 car vs Indycar and got this video as a result. I hate to admit it, but it took me at least 30 seconds to realize it was a videogame simulation. I was like " this is so cool that Ferrari sent one of their cars to race an Indy Car around and around and around..."
People still argue about this. Indy Cars are designed for this, of course they are going to have the advantage. Having the top speed helps a lot. Obviously it’s different on a circuit like Monza in the other tests. You shouldn’t get mad that a car *designed* for an oval beats a car designed for a road circuit. It’s a predictable outcome.
@@TheVideoGametuts In 2006, the Honda Formula 1 team decided to take their F1 car (the same car that had been raced by Jenson Button and Takuma Sato in 2005) to Utah’s world famous Bonneville Salt Flats. A lesser know driver, Alan van der Merwe (FIA's Medical Car Driver) set the F1 land speed record of 397.360km/h (246.908 mph) which is sanctioned by the FIA. The team also managed to clock a staggering speed of 413.205km/h (256.753 mph) while testing in the Mojave Desert it. www.sportskeeda.com/f1/f1-top-speed-record
If you watch the Indycar Vs. F1 on a F1 track, the F1 dominated just like the Indycar did to the F1 car here. So basicly a F1 car is not better than Indycar and vise versa, they both do well on there own type of track...
@@Quidproquo07093 IndyCar drivers have already said they won't be as quick as an F1 car at COTA. F1 is better suited for road courses, they have power steering, kers etc.
It is interesting that in this simulation, the F1 car wasn’t fitted with its low-drag rear wing such as is used at Monza, while the Indycar was equipped with its speedway wing. Huge handicap for the machine ...
Well made video. Very realistically representative what would happen in real life on this track. Now do a Monaco track comparison for completely opposite result
It is nowhere near a realistic representation. The simple fact is an F1 car has far more power than an indy car, if an F1 car was to be set up for an oval track it would have a much higher top speed. F1 cars never race on oval tracks so games like this don't account for that set up.
ir you reduce f1 aerodynamics it beats the IndyCar at an oval track, but if you improve IndyCar aerodynamics, it wouldn't beat an f1 car on a road circuit, so F1 wins
I wanted to see how things would change on a fast Circuit. Slow or "tight corner" circuits due to the demand for downforce should benefit the F1 greatly. But he already published many more videos, so You can check almost any circuit in FlashTv's channel. Cheers!
It would be interesting to see F1 on an oval. Pretty sure I watched a video of a Ferrari Clientele event, that was held Daytona. It was fun to watch. I attended one of those events at Road Atlanta a few years ago. First time I’d ever watched any F1 cars in person. Been to NASCAR and some IMSA/Weather Tech events, but F1 cars are a different breed on a road course. Marc Gene unofficially broke the Road Atlanta track record that day, in a Ferrari F2003 at about 1:01 lap/2.54 miles(close enough). He said that if a current car and current driver were at Road Atlanta, that they could lap that course in under a minute. I’d attend an F1 GP at Road Atlanta, seeing as how it’s only 30 minutes from me.
The Indycar sounded like it was hitting the rev limiter whereas the Ferrari looked like it wasn’t using it’s electrical boost. I think both cars would go quite a bit faster if both used a low downforce setup, the Indycar used longer gearing and the F1 car deployed both it’s ERS and DRS.
The Ferrari did seem to slow on the bent bits, surely the driver would release some juice here instead of the beginning of a straight on normal F1 track?
Youre dream may come true if Penske people really looking to bring F1 back to the states...through promoting & marketing east vs west bringing over F1 drivers guest appearances F1 drivers doing laps in indy race cars & the reverse. 2022 at Daytona charity race Top F1 driver Top Indy driver Top Moto GP racer Top Nascar driver All racing on the same track thats an ESPN moment.
Actually before I started to watch the simulation, my first question was is the F1 car setup for an oval, e.g. staggered tires, trimmed out aero, etc. If it was then everything would be "equal" except for the F1 weight advantage and the F1 power advantage.
yes . both quite easily . a few years ago before indycar reduced its downforce levels to improve racing and passing the indycars actually made more downforce than f1 at the time . this is because the indycar has ground effects similar to an lmp1 car and generates considerable downforce from under the car . ground effects are banned in f1 . since then ground effects have been increased in indycar but the top surface aero has been reduced .
I think it's funny that you are proud that a car is fast on a OVAL CIRCUIT. It requires no skill and is boring to watch. F1 cars aren't overrated. They are the future and they go through corners at speeds you couldn't imagine (i have seen them in person). If all you Americans try to copy a sport, make it worse, and claim that its better, honestly just keep our mouths shut.
Matthew • 33 years ago If it requires no skill why didn’t Jim Clark, Mario Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi win 15 indy 500s? Because it does take skill you butthurt loser. If anything it takes more skill to drive a 400,000$ car than a 8 million $ car
The f1 car could adapt a set of smaller wings and a better set of gears for higher speeds . The main reason why a f1 car will never win a indycar race is simple they wouldn't be able to finish the race with the amount of fuel they're allowed .
LOL I was thinking more of putting a radio control car against them and the RC would blow them both away!!! freaking idiots posting a video game... WTF???
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current regs prevent the F1 from changing ratios as they used too, hence the low top end compared to older F1 cars and sadly FIA is looking for a "standard"gearbox for future regs . That's the current major limiting factor as they have better Aero and BHP . I just hope if they do introduce a standard gearbox it benefits the racing and narrows the gap between pole and last on grid. I was surprised by the initial accel' difference , but not surprised by the end result. I'd love to see F1 race at least one oval a year , it's a different discipline, equally hard and may change the finishing order around a bit as some of the second tier teams have higher top speeds than the top 3 . interesting comparison thnx for uploading.
Love how people are saying indi is boring, has anyone watched F1 you know the one with no overtaking, the one where you overtake during a pit stop the one where the pole sitter Wins 98% of the races the one where the race highlights are the first 20 seconds and last 5 seconds , get a grip it’s shocking, indi isn’t much better but F1 please.
f1 car 1000hp, indycar between 550-700hp. Top speed depends on the length of the gears and ailerons and if they prepare a f1 car for a top speed will be much faster based on power.
@@TERRAJOVEM6000 circuito misto os carros da Indy perdem feio. Podiam fazer uma corrida no circuito misto de Indianápolis que recebia corrida de F1, Mercedes contra Penske, as duas melhores de cada equipe sou muita mais Mercedes, ela ganharia com no mínimo 50 segundos de vantagem. Os carros da F1, não chega essa velocidade por circuitos travados e por limitação de regulamento mas uma categoria nem se compara á outra, á um abismo colossal entre às duas.
F1 isn't really about flat speed as it is taking corners at rediculis speeds with insane breaking. IndyCar has ground effects as well, making it a beast in ovals and in a straight line. It's apples and oranges really.
Even though this ia just virtual, the Indy car engine and gears are designed for sustained maximum rpm and speed unlike the F1 that is dominant only on road course tracks because of its gear and aerodynamic setup. Overall, F1 engine will overheat in oval tracks due to stress from long periods of maximum sustained speed and rpm
Most people either forget or don’t know that the F1 engine has to last 6 races, so if they adjusted the aero package and maybe added weights to keep the car on the ground, (they might even add a different gear box) and keep it overtake mode (with no DRS), it could easily keep up with an Indy Car. Running a full race is a different story, but the average F1 Race is 70 laps, multiple by 6, you get an engine life of 420 laps. An F1 race has to last 90 minutes, and the average race length in miles is 190, multiply by 6, you get 1,140 miles, twice the distance of the longest Indy Car Race. An F1 Car never refuels during a race which means through mixtures of different fuel variants, it can last 190 miles, likely 1/3 of that time in Overtake is around 125 miles, which is 4 pit stops for fuel, with 4 more for tires, unless the use Goodyear (in the Indy 500). Indy Cars pit at least 6 times in that race. Usually around 30-40 laps in. The F1 car would make it 45-50 laps before needing to make 1 pitstop. So it’s entirely possible that an F1 car can keep up with, if not, beat an Indy Car. It’s possible. It’s also possible it will over heat, but not as quickly as you’d expect. Now, running 36 races like that, is $100million x 36 comes out to $3.6 Billion Dollars and the FiA doesn’t have that type of money laying around, let alone able to pull that in investment money.
The modern V6 is actually not bad, quite an impressive power unit from an engineering perspective. Obviously it doesn’t have the excitement of the V10 era but it’ll have to do. Two very different cars built for for different tracks. F1 wins off the line because it was design to get up to speed quick from tight corners, Indy cars need top speed. (Also I think the 919 Evo would cream both of these)
It is obvious the IndyCar is going to win- however on a track with twists and lots of braking with quick acceleration required - the IndyCar does not stand a chance
Tiene ventaja el indy porque sus casi 800 cv están en el motor de combustion mientras que los 850 del f1 están una parte en motor de combustiion y otra en la eléctrica y como no hay recuperación de energía el motor eléctrico no generara potencia adicional
if indy really went all out they wouldnt. the caars hit 250 mph in the 90s, imagine what they could do decades later. if f1 teams created an indy regulation car for the oval they would be the same. also indy is going to have a 950 hp engine next year
@@hinglemccringleberry8193 F1 have reduced the power for decades yet the cars break track records every year. They are on another level with technology and aerodynamics
Ronald Zion i’m not saying an oval race is boring I’m saying Formula One car looks boring on oval track to me because I like to hear them changing up and down gears
You know how it does on a road course? Great! And it doesn't have power steering, antilock brakes, and millions, and millions of dollars wasted on rubbish gadgetry. Oh and the racing is actually exciting to watch. And not a parade of Ferrari, and Mercedes.
There are tight corners in Indycar as well. Still no power steering. The difference you'll see between the drivers of each series is that Indycar drivers are built like brick shithouses whereas F1 drivers are built like swimsuit models.
The Indy cars race on all sorts of racetracks. This is conclusive and very impressive. It would have been devastating in a full race. F1 has become an event for spoiled brats.
Makes more sense when one realizes that Indy and NASCAR are essentially drag races with gentle curves - only because they have to - not because they want to. They would run in a straight line if they had the pit crews and spectators.
That's also a thing, Formula 1 has a unique aero package, that can be modified. While Indycar has a Speedway aero, and a Road Track aero. Probably if F1 had a similar wings, it will be closer. Good comment Scotch
Does everyone forget that there are indycars designed to run the same tracks and formula 1 cars? They are modified to turn better and have more downforce while retaining the top speed.
I've never watched Indycar, but from reading the comments, comparing F1 to Indycar would be like comparing Football to Rugby (2 totally different sports but they do both use an inflated ball).
Obviously Indy cars suspension axis are asymmetrical right side are more to the right compared to the left side to keep the gravity center below the floor just for two left banked curves Meanwhile F1 are symmetric for left and right up and down and all types of courses curves...
in video game top speed is relative to the pressure of the tires, the more inflated they are, the more speed you have. I reached more of 380 km/h with the Williams turbocharged on the Nardò track. a gain of 20 km/h changing ONLY the pressure of tires.
Nice CG, to bad that it's only a simulation and not real. Now lets see the real thing because simulations do not always turn out to be the actual outcome in real life.
