I worked on the aero dev of that car. Excellent video, almost all hypothesis are actually right. Missed a couple of details which maybe can not be spotted from released photos.
Have they released any pics of the floor? Haven't been able to find any with the usual google keywords for some reason. If not, then not much point in doing an analysis quite yet.
Does a lot of radiator cooling in the front of the car, far from the center of gravity, affect the polar moment of inertia? Or is this a minimal effect? I appreciate your channel. I'm watching from Brazil
I thought the cost cap is supposed to take care of unrestricted technological development. Why are we still strangling development through more and more rules when the whole point of most of the rules was to prevent having to spend billions to compete at the front? Though the bib trick was definitely illegal without changing the rules, so I think this one would actually qualify as cheating. What if teams are allowed to develop non-hybrid V8 and V10 engines, but they’re also allowed to stick on as many electric motors and batteries as they want, wherever they want? They could have 0 to 100 electric motors and maybe a certain overall battery capacity limitation. That could encourage the development of even more powerful and lighter electric motors that can either withstand higher heat or dissipate heat better. The cost cap could be adjusted to prevent buying the championship. If they go back to thirteen inch wheels can replace the weight with motors near the wheel or remove the weight entirely. That genuinely seems to be where super cars and regular cars are going, and teams can embrace electric motor power as much as they’d like. They should also remove the minimum overall car weight requirement because making any component lighter while maintaining a budget improves the performance and efficiency of anything. There are many problems with these ideas that need to be handled with appropriate rules and guidance, but I think they’d produce amazing racing and amazing vehicles.
There are no details of the underside of the W1, so might be difficult to analyse. McLaren said it uses ground effect, so there’s a lot going on aerodynamically at the bottom. Also haven’t seen much detail about the movable aero element at the front,
What I can tell from the press release, they are very similar in concept. Movable front wing, T-Tray, ground effekt, and big diffusor and adjustable rear wing. They use the same tires, so the limitations and hence the performance is very similar.
Shmee bugs me too but I'm not totally sure why. He always just kinda irritates me after a couple minutes of watching one of his videos. A lot of it is probably that he's just a stereotypical, unoriginal RU-vidr - and those people are annoying regardless of their content. He does the whole "RU-vidr voice" and his thumbnails make me want to slap him. Tbh, he's surprisingly chill for a guy who almost certainly got bullied for his entire childhood. Imagine being named Shmeee AND having pronounced lisp. Damn. Lol
Hey man, thanks for everything. Your channel was instrumental in my learning fluid dynamics and beginning to mess around with intakes and aero. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
This car's design has really grown on me since I first saw it, it's busy but they always are. However it was a mistake for Ferrari to introduce the Daytona panel on the Dodici Cillindri first, even if it will remain a consistent design feature into the future.
That was already answered by Adam himself in an interview with itsdanielmac. The data on their experiment was sound but a full study from one of the big 3 automakers said it doesn't work at all. He even joked about how wasting one of the big 3's time and money was a highlight in his life.
Those ‘strakes ‘ behind the frond tyres look as if they are vortex generation for along the rockers to keep high pressure creep out from under . Looks like there is more than what we see going on .
@@simbarashekunedzimwe1372 yes, every single person I’ve met there who works in development was absolutely fantastic. Curious, humble, and very, very competent. And brought, they are very good at working across specialties and working together instead of against each other.
hi, and thank you. I'd have a request for you. In 1986 World Rally Championship had its greatest but saddest year of its history, with the pinnacle of the Group B Cars. The championship was decided by some season changing tragic accidents, and... by a controversy about Peugeot's 205 T16, which were disqualified at Sanremo rally at first, but then the Fia deleted Sanremo results and Lancia lost the title that Markku Alen won with the win at the final Olympus Rally. The reason of the controversy was about some side skirts that Peugeot said being some protective appendages, but in reality 205 T16 cars had some very trouble at high speed trim during jumps. Being that kind of element banned, the cars were disqualified initially, but then Fia deleted the Sanremo result accepting Peugeot's appeal saying that they did some test and the car with or without these skirts didn't show any relevant change in aerodynamic load. Many said in the years that this was not correct because the test was not conducted with an active ground (mobile ground) tunnel but in a static way. You can see the car (they're talking about it starting at 15-56 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dqNV1SxrL34.html Can you do a video about it? Thank You!
Since this car is based on the lemans Ferrari, or at least that's what Ferrari said, I have a question: Why do Lemans cars have a gap over the wheels??
From what I understand, but I could be wrong, those cut outs are mandatory for all prototypes and hypercars. They are there to get rid of the high pressure air within the wheel wells. This should in theory make the cars less likely to get airborne.
The aero work on the undertray is crazy for a road car. I guess Ferrari is going to homolagate this..otherwise why? It's not a hyper car..or is it? Anyw😊ys great insight. Thx.
Is it possible to have a side by side aero analysis of the Enzo, la Ferrari and this F80 please? My intention is to understand the aero developments that spawned in these years and see any gains or otherwise. Thanks.
Question! The front 3-element "wing" that you talk about at around 8 minutes in, since it's generating so much DF and it's venting straight up right before the window, is there a chance that in wet conditions it'd potentially throw out water through it, and maybe even cause visibility issues? Theoretically of course, a road car of this caliber probably wouldn't be pushing super high speeds on a track in wet conditions very often.
You know, back in the day I might have considered that those ducts running through the doors would be too long and tiny to really do anything. But I've read Willem Toet's article on air ducts, and how they blew out the door on their Aston Martin Nimrod at Le Mans after making the cockpit air intake smaller, but having a decent expansion area after it, increasing the pressure... So yeah, not gonna make any guesses as to how it actually works, because clearly I know nothing. =)
@9:42 Those strakes, and the diffuser look to be out-washing the tire wake. A lot of work has gone to manage tire wake from the looks of it. Those strakes are starting to become ubiquitous on cars nowadays, they work, rather well actually.
0:40 "No aerodynamicist can perfectly predict flows just by eye," except Kelly Johnson, because "That damned Swede can actually see air" - Hall Hibbard
I hope, this channel will be spared from LEGO technik comments that are spreading on F80 videos currently...every little boy wants to have famous comment and repeeating from theirs same stupid comrads. Good work, Kyle!;-)
Well some might spare you the Lego comment but it will not change the fact that this F80 is ugly as fuck and that there are a lot of solutions to make an as effective aero car without making it as ugly…
@@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire Yes indeed, and even the Mclaren W1 which is clearly not perfect in terms of design is much more appealing than this F80 which is a collection of retro reference (Daytona, F40, Enzo, etc.) which are simply botched together without any coherence...
Well, maybe if Ferrari didn't make a squished Camaro we wouldn't have such discussion. This is still a road car, if all you care are lap times then no matter what you do it will never be the right tool, aesthetic should be crucial for an hypercar. And speaking of it, I simply don't believe the shape of the F80 is what it is just because they chased aero, actual race car are way more aero focused and they look much better than this mess.
@@GenghisDanielF80 is much sexier than W1. McLaren has too much black, front wheels are too small(too big wheels are also not great) and front has no attractive features. The rear looks pretty good. Front is controversial on the F80, but it atleast has soul, when W1 has no emotions. Just like on the new Nevera and Jesko.
Why does this have twin turbos if they are electrically assisted already to eliminate lag? Isnt whole point of parallel twin turbo to reduce lag by lowering the diameter of the turbo hemce lowering its inertia, why not single turbo with electric assist?
@@elianioriofarrell valid point. But I think the overall reduced weight and doe to high location over the engine lowered center of gravity would be preferable in this case. Furthermore the relative freedom of the placement of a battery pack cold achieved the same and more.
this is a refreshing video coming after all the ignorant people out there and their "why did they put the v12 in their suv" and "laferrari price skyrocketed" and "its like lego"
Why did the put lots of radiators? To improve the efficiency by keeping cooler each part? The wheels are pretty similar with Porsche's Taycan . Also with those brake ducts creates outwashing ?
4:21 actually you can see at the front part of the door how the “black part” that its closer to the window its going down along the door to end up in that hole. I really like this car, I think they have done this car more into a performance phylosophy than into a beauty one, like with the LaFerrari, and thats why the choose the super v6 instead of the v12
possibly the best part of this thing being unveiled. love how detailed and clever aero designs are getting, shame it seems to go hand-in-hand with the cars looking worse.
I was watching a video on probably 1 of the most boring types of racing recently. It involves race cars that turn left all the time. The only thing of interest in the video is the way in which the engineers fiddle around in the grey areas of the rules to make the cars faster. Simple things like literally driving bumper to bumper and putting a hand up to or out the window are sometimes enough to get more competitive. While watching it I was wondering how you would rate the hacks that they have come up with.
Analysis aside. This car is not pretty. It has that same odd nose as the 365GTB but immensly bulked up middle and back body. What were they thinking when they designed this car? Back to the drawing board. Have a look at the FXX, and modernize it but better than the K model.
I don’t know why they thought they needed two gigantic straight vertical lines at the leading and trailing edge of the side panels around the wheel. Same for the black strip. How does boring, bland, straight shapes equate to making it a futuristic, sci-fi design? It’s like they had to put effort into purposefully making a home run or easy layup body design just a bit ugly. It’s so close to being magnificent.
@@bonifacelukosi9580 Thank you. I feel like everyone forgot the F40. That and the F40 had a twin turbocharged V8. It's so clear that this is a modern interpretation even down to the rectangle headlights.
Do electric turbos still use intercoolers? That front shot with the doors up looks like the front of the garage 56 Camaro and the charger hellcat to me lol. Enzo would be so pissed.
Yes, you still need to cool the air even if you have easier control to keep the compressor in a better part of the compression map, the only real replacement for inter cooling is ethanol or water injection up stream and both are more for short term running (drag racing) not really used in race or road cars as they introduce a consumable and can’t remove a lot of heat for extended periods of time (without topping up fluids).
100% agree with the rest… add more mass in a less energy dense power source just to hit a 0-100 number while making a whale of a car in the corners/real world driving… he would fire anyone that suggested doing that.
my only gripe with this model is how normal and car like the front face with the lights and the huge plastic air area looks, it really contrast way too much with the rest of the car's design it's schockingly ugly
I thought the cost cap is supposed to take care of unrestricted technological development. Why are we still strangling development through more and more rules when the whole point of most of the rules was to prevent having to spend billions to compete at the front? Though the bib trick was definitely illegal without changing the rules, so I think this one would actually qualify as cheating. What if teams are allowed to develop non-hybrid V8 and V10 engines, but they’re also allowed to stick on as many electric motors and batteries as they want, wherever they want? They could have 0 to 100 electric motors and maybe a certain overall battery capacity limitation. That could encourage the development of even more powerful and lighter electric motors that can either withstand higher heat or dissipate heat better. The cost cap could be adjusted to prevent buying the championship. If they go back to thirteen inch wheels can replace the weight with motors near the wheel or remove the weight entirely. That genuinely seems to be where super cars and regular cars are going, and teams can embrace electric motor power as much as they’d like. They should also remove the minimum overall car weight requirement because making any component lighter while maintaining a budget improves the performance and efficiency of anything. There are many problems with these ideas that need to be handled with appropriate rules and guidance, but I think they’d produce amazing racing and amazing vehicles.
I never understood why more engines and transmissions are not angled around the Y-axis, whenever the regulations, or lack thereof, suit it. Yes, the CG will be raised but that will allow for larger diffuser expansion right in the center section with all of the benefits that come with it. Even racing categories which do allow for such implementation see very little to nothing of the kind. Maybe I am underestimating the side-effects of the raised CG, but as high-noses have shown in F1, the aero benefit does outweigh any CG concerns.
Do you mean simply moving the engine higher up in the car, or somehow orienting the various components to be arranged vertically? I think the new Lamborghini Revuelto’s transmission and electric motor are kinda stacked vertically to be more compact lengthwise.
@@ALMX5DP I mean tilting the engine and gearbox in relation to the ground, where the back of the engine stands higher than the front the engine. On side view, angling the engine and transmission by about 10-15 degrees would allow the floor beneath it to be angled by that exact same amount. The differential still needs to be connected to the driveshafts, but this layout will allow for more diffuser expansion in its center section, as opposed to no expansion (assuming zero rake), whenever the engine is mounted flat or perpendicular to the ground.
@@leoa4c ah gotcha. Yeah since no mechanical driveshaft is going to the front, a little for-after tilt may not be so difficult. Still have to consider where the rear half shafts connect to the transmission so maybe that is where they might run into potential issues. But yeah interesting idea to allow for more underfloor aerodynamic work.
@@ALMX5DP The best way to deal with the differential would be to implement it above the drive shafts, in the center, with a gear coming down on each side to meet its respective geared shaft. Essentially, each shaft is a metal tube with a universal joint connected to a small diameter gear. That small diameter gear connects to the diff's "side gear", while a housing keeps it all together and, most importantly, no lower than the U-joint itself. Such layout would drastically increase diffuser volume. In most mid- engine configurations, I think that an increase of 50% could be achieved.
One of the ugliest Ferrari I’ve ever seen. Just look at what Newey achieved with RB17. The car look so dang cool while keeping 90% or even more of an aero performance and function intact.
I agree and I get your point, but from all hybrid hypercars with 4 wheel drive (especially those with two front electro and one rear electro) it seems to be the lightest.
AMG One is 3800 lbs. this thing has multimatic suspension so that should help hide the weight, just like the heave springs for the One do. also, knowing italians, this is definitely more than 3700 lbs
Thank you for the clarifications. Ferrari and others have a problem. These cars are getting fatter and fatter. This rendition looks positively clunky. as if Lego did the concept and Ferrari to be made full size.
You can talk all the mumbo jumbo you want, I still don't like the flat square pancake look with a bubble on top. Seriosuly, why all the right angles? It looks like a flat square...an old square lambo from the 90's that someone stepped on and squished and they tried fixing it with a bubble on top...it has zero curves...🤷
If someone had told me that this was some other supercar designed by a rich Arab, grousing that it had 5000 horsepower - I would have thought it was even good. For a Ferrari, that's pretty bad.
Disappointed with the new F80. I think they have lost their way at the Ferrari style centre. The 458, the LaFerrari, the F12 tdf and the Daytona SP3 were wonderful. But with the 12-cylinder and the F80 they screwed up big time. And even the F80's performance, while exceptional, loses out to the competition of the RB17 or Aston Martin Valkyrie. In 0-100km/h it even loses to a Tesla S Plaid that costs 30 times less.
Did anyone tell people that these European sports cars are crafted & designed for the worlds average height (5'6). Damn cars should not be on United States roads, wrong pedals and bumper height. Short Resume: Lambda Lambda Lambda Alumni, Mitsubishi Family, ULA Family Court Judge, Lead Council for IBM.m and owner of GTWorld (I'm on hiatus).
@@zontetaji506 honestly don't see anything unorthodox or unique about the W1 aero that warrants a whole video. It's full of things Kyle has explained dozens of times before.
That is a fugly Ferrari. Looks like it was designed by a kid with a ruler, taking inspiration from a Saleen S7. If I had to jump through Ferrari hoops to earn an allocation, and then this was the first F car I could buy, I'd be bitterly disappointed. There are going to be lots of moaning 'Car RU-vidrs', no least of all thanks to the hairdryer motors fitted.
The computer is just solving equations, applying curl and gradient operators to a field of vectors. If your eyes can make that calculation, and your brain is a computer, is your observation not valid? The eyes work better at resolving boundary conditions anyway, which all CFD kind of sucks at. Not saying CFD is useless, it's a tool, it has its place, I'm saying ultimately it's our eyes making judgment calls, our eyes need to know what they're seeing. CFD gives you a hint of what's happening, not the final say, the final picture always forms in your head.
I’d argue that essence evolves with the target demographic. I’m sure some thought the Enzo lost essence when it was only available with a flappy paddle gearbox, or some though going hybrid with the Ferrari the Ferrari was taking away from the experience. It’s all relative and ever changing.
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