It's funny how he says "I would never make pale imitations of my brethren! You dont know me!" when even the real Hythlodaeus on the Moon when you tell him how you (sort of) met him before and the shade Amaurot, basically says "yeah, that sounds exactly like something he'd do"
Emet pretends to be tough and cool character but his a big softie in the inside that loves his people more than anyone and for me it feels like his the most affected and hurt out of all the ascians
Basically hearing him say that fucking wrenches the heart. I'm literally thinking to myself "Dude, I may be fragmented but you considered me your brethren. Otherwise why....... Why would you tell me to remember you!???" Fucking hurts 😭
The gutwrenching part is seeing Emet's reaction to the reveal of his future self. He could never account for actually LIVING what he did and can only deny he would go off the rails from sheer depression (Elidibus being the only thing keeping him going after a while, Lahabrea making him just sick). It makes the end of Shadowbringers that much worse, if only the lines weren't drawn at that critical moment...
3:37 A little fun fact, when Emet-Selch mentions about Venat's unruly Successor (Azem), depending on the player's gender, Venat will refer to Azem as a he or she. This is due to the fact that the WoL is the reincarnation of Azem. It's a neat little detail, but what I like to think is what Azem looks like it basically the reflection in what your WoL currently looks like. Just with some minor different details.
As neat as this is, it doesn't really make all that much sense. Playing as a female character doesn't make Ardbert female as well, so why does Azem change depending on the player's gender? Unless being the incarnation that represents the Source ensures being the same sex as the one any given individual is a reflection of, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in-universe (not that it really needs to, mind you.)
@@omegaipodmaniac I'm pretty sure they made it a happy coincidence to further emphasize the fact that the WoL is the reincarnation of Azem. Otherwise, there's no reason to do it.
@@omegaipodmaniac because the WoL is the Source Shard - the originating point of the soul. We aren't one of the fragments as much as what was left behind. Plus after so many Rejoinings it makes sense Azem's soul would feel more at home in a form that more closely matched its original (thus why there are some comparisons to the WoL even looking similar to Azem)
I think it's pretty safe to assume that our WoL does NOT look like Azem because Venat didn't recognize us when we first meet. In fact, she figures out that we come from the future specifically because we had her "Traveler's Ward" blessing despite the fact that we hadn't met yet. Emet-Selch and Hythlodeaus only recognized us as having a connection to Azem due to their very strong ability to perceive the color of souls. That's why they were the only ones to be able to see us in the beginning. They recognize Azem's soul in us, but initially assume we're a familiar sent by Azem for whatever reason. The other Amaurotians also don't immediately believe we are Azem, but rather that we are a familiar. That's only after Emet-Selch helps create a physical body for us.
My favorite thing is Venat looking at you once and saying “YO ARE YOU FROM THE FUTURE?” Because she put one and one together based entirely on the fact that you have her blessing and you’ve never met. Amazing.
Duel purpose blessing, both it's utility and the fact it is part of the bootstrap paradox that she would recognize her own "signature" on it when perceiving it.
I cracked up so hard when she just throws the line. It's like, up to this point we've been so secretive and though suspicious, the other two would never guess it... and Venat is like "ahh, a visitor from the future!" HAHA I could almost feel the WoL's panic at such a dressing down. Iconic. Loved every bit of Elpis but Venat might have taken the crown.
The English VO Actress for Venat just killed it and went full METAL MAMMA BEAR! The story, the character's look and the English VO made this expansion on a level not seen before, that last scene with her walking thru Amourat, even broke Shadowbringers emotional depth which was already 11/10.
Venat is one of the few characters that I like the English voice better than the Japanese one. The Japanese VA sounds like she's about to cry everytime she speaks. Which is ok when she's hydaelyn, but as Venat, it's a bit too much for ne
I made a comment earlier, but I’d like to add I don’t think Elidibus was warning us not to mess with the past. I think he was basically just saying don’t waste the effort on changing stuff if you think it will change YOUR future, because it won’t. Basically the whole “go back in time and kill baby thanos” scene from avengers
It's not really like that. Elidibus really did mean that we shouldn't change anything that would drastically shift major events like the outcome of the 1st final days because we would've ended up creating another parallel universe where the Ancients survive and no sundering, cutting us off from our original timeline just like what happened to exarch graha.
@@Durahan82 I mean, he did admit at the end he'd still pursue his wish. Assumptions abound, but after knowing what happened he still would carry out his actions given the chance.
@@pancakepop680 thats because despite what happens Emet Selch will always stick to his ideals and his duty. Its one of the few things he takes very seriously.
Such a tragic character, but something else it gives us, is an idea of just how much more Venat has been through. Even knowing what emet and hyth forgot, she could do nothing to avoid it, and unlike emet, she didn't have peers working with her after a certain point. She was truly alone for a long long time, and yet where emet faltered, she stood strong.
... It's settled. Emet Selch and Hythlodeus are Bert and Ernie respectively. I can just imagine Hyth keeping Emet up at night with his bullshit like Ernie does to Bert when he's trying to sleep lol "Hey... Emet?" "What is it, Hythlodeus?" "What if they put a suit and a top hat on a shark?..." *Emet rolls over, covers himself with his blanket, and furrows his eyebrows* "What if, with the proper biological modifications, I called it a 'killer whale?" *Emet selch groans loudly in annoyance*
Emet-Selch is just in a perpetual state of 'oh for god's sake', and it's amazing. You half-expect him to pinch the bridge of his nose and mutter 'oh, whatever gods on high, give me the strength'. Man's way too fun to mess with.
Hythlodeus is so damn clueless lol, WoL actually fucking unsheathed right in front of him and he's like oh what're you two looking at? Also it's funny how the shark's triggered by him dissing other shark concepts.
This entire Elpis episode is probably my favorite in the entire game so far. Obviously it hits harder because of the groundwork laid. But even then it has a good 3 act arc. With a major climactic ending before you leave and return back to the present.
Me too! I was ready for this type of story arc since the episode of speaking with Hythlodaeus at the Bureau of Architects in Shadowbringers. The idea of time travel and weaving the past and present together in such a way was rewarding to say the least.
@@Exteliongamer Yeah, for me playing since around 2.0 to 2.1ish, watching all these threads come to a close was so emotional. I really got invested in so many of these characters over the years.
@@cyradus yea I played since beta and I’m really invested to the story regardless of how bad or good it gets and endwalker ending everything really made me cry and I coudnt hold it in specially the venat walk part 😞. So if u haven’t cried yet and wanting too then u should let go and do it man cuz a lot of us did already 😭
Spoiler alert : Don't read this comment if you're not ready to. You've been warned. That loop doesn't work at all when taking into account the events of Shadowbringer though. In Graha's timeline the WoL dies centuries before time travel gets invented, and even if we were supposing some other ways of travelling back, the WoL has no reason to travel back without Fandaniel unleashing the apocalypse - and in Graha's timeline, Fandy is kept in check since the unsundered ascians are prevailing. In other words during Graha's timeline there is no mean or motivation for the WoL to go back while WoL going back to Elpis is the very reason Venat could build her whole scheme. And whitout Venat doing what she did, well the Ascians would live somewhat happily ever after in their un-sundered world shielded by Zordiark or something and so Graha's and any other sundered timelines are not happening. Asides from that, in a vacuum and whitout thinking too much about such technicalities, Endwalker is an absolute masterpiece of an emotionnal rollercoaster alright.
@@liquidefreet We are not in Graha’s timeline. Just because we are using his dimension does not necessarily mean we are going back in his timeline. The Crystal tower exists our dimension, too.
I feel this was somewhat answered in some of the cutscenes immediately following this one: She very quickly decided she'd rather hear about _our_ life, and what the world would be like in the future. She definitely considers us to be our own person, our kinship with her successor as Azem notwithstanding. At most, she was delighted to enjoy the "meeting someone for the first time" experience with the same person twice.
I love Elpis. And I especially love it when Emet-Selch, Hythlodeus, and Venat talk about Azem. Lol. Because I their Azem fits the description of how I imagine my WoL would be. Headstrong diving into danger just to help people. Well I guess for a lot of people's WoL, this would be the case as well.
Yea I love the Elpis arc too they showed us a lot more about the pass and Emet and Venat. Now it’s hard to look at Emet being a villain and I find him more of a hero.
Well I laughed at the short story where Hyth actually is laughing at Hades getting grey hairs over Azem was trying to sneak out Ifrit so they could stop a volcanic eruption because they didn't want their favorite vineyard to get destroyed
@@sirei01 maybe more of an antagonist than a villain but regardless he was portrayed as the one who oppose us the wol in shadowbringers. In endwalker after knowing more of about the past Emet look more of a tragic hero but that doesn’t justify the role he played in destroying multiple worlds or creating the Garleans that killed a lot of people. Emet is the enemy up to shadowbringer along with Other ascians just cuz we know the past doesn’t erase what they have done already. And don’t get me wrong I like Emet and his probably the best character this game has but let’s not confuse the role they played just cuz we like them. That’s why I said it’s hard to see him as a villain after knowing things in endwalker. Yea the story stayed true to him and his character up to the end but did that overall change the role he had before ?
@@Exteliongamer on the other hand, if the rejoining didn't occur, we won't get WoL the way they are in the moment, being like, 8/14 or 9/14 of the original Azem-soul. The bit that may be rather important for outdynami-ing despair.
I think these cut scenes are some of my favorite parts of EndWalker . Venat is everything I would have expected. Strong …wise… intelligent…caring…decisive…and many more things.
Kinda like our adventurer? Lol, I guess thats how people that Bared the name of Azem are😊. Well look at what venat's predecessor did...Heading into a volcano....doesn't that remind you of someone🤔🤣🤣
Everything from this point on had me really emotional. In our journey we defeated and ended Emet and the other Ascians life. We are now spending time with the very people we viewed as our enemies and experiencing the gravity of their suffering. To know that all of this will end and we will also be responsible for half of it. Or the endless suffering Venat will endure while she waits for our birth.
@@pengwinsRus well Emet did give us a chance but he thought we were not good enough and so he decided to preceded with his original plan. The sad part is that eveyone was trying to achieve the same thing save the star but in their own way.
@@navi2710 The sad part is in Emet's case was his trial was to control the light inside of you- and your character fails right up until the last second and then everything changes, but by that point he was pretty much commited to fighting the WoL.
@@AsreiMurasame I've noticed an issue with a lot of Japanese games. The "villan" just doesn't want to wait or talk things out which usually would resolve a lot of conflict. I think had Emet decided to retreat near the end rather then go all in we could worked together and he'd still be alive.
@@pengwinsRus From my perspective, Emet is just a symptom. The root of the problem was in Hermes' desperate search for meaning and eventual creation of Meteia to achieve it. Pretty much everything that happened originates from that single desire that literally broke his world, killed countless people to a point where you can almost consider it genocidal and caused literally every single major threat we've ever encountered, with the exception of the dragons which would have arrived on Etheirys regardless. Hermes is beyond redemption. Beyond forgiveness. Beyond salvation. His singular desire and unchecked curiousity ruined his world for millennia to come, simply because he was obsessed with finding an answer that was under his damn nose the entire fucking time. It's the same answer Meteion gets at the end of the EW story. He had the answer all along, but he either didn't see it or didn't consider it good enough. Emet is just a symptom of the problem that he started. He wanted to undo the destruction of his world, but that destruction never would have happened if Hermes had simply accepted the obvious truth that was staring him in the face the entire time.
The camerawork and animation on Emet during the last few moments of the discussion at the table are so well done it always surprises me to see it every time I watch this bit, given that they're working with such an old engine. It all flows together so well, none of the occasional odd shuffling we see in similar cutscenes. It gets his anger and urgency across perfectly.
7:30 If I was the WoL I would have broken down to my knees and start crying from all the sh*t I've been dealing with and she was the first one in this world who would understand lol
That's what I felt when I met Ardbert in the First. He was the first character in the game that truly understood what it was like to be you, the WoL. Then you lose him, so meeting Vanat was like getting that friend back, in a way.
Dude It was so fucking hard to hold back tears for the the entire time we speakk with Emet-Selch, Hythlodaeus, Venat. Especially with Venat tho....ooof man. I couldn't stop crying after...This game has emotionally destroyed me lol
When I first heard Venat's voice, I thought she sounded familiar. Then I realized that it is the same voice actress as Aveline from Dragon Age 2. But I was more surprised when I learned that Y'shtola's voice actress is Sera from Dragon Age Inquisition.
I KNEW Venat sounded familiar! Just couldn't put my finger on it XD Kinda a shame we didn't get to meet this time periods Azem..... Would've been interesting
the part where emet says you're lying is such a well written scene, because he says why what we say can't be true in a way that pretty much proves it's exactly something he'd do, he believes every word, but he's in denial because the very idea of being cruel and evil is just too much to bear
Many of the analyses of Venat as hero or villain overlook the one critical choice she made before she even met the WoL, the one choice that made all the rest possible. SHE CHOSE TO LIVE after her term on the Convocation as Azem was done. All the choices and actions she engaged in afterwards were in service to that choice; to live, to continue to contribute to the well being of humanity, no matter how ghastly the cost.
21:06 this little bit is so powerfull. Because till the moment he died, he never gave up on his home, his own people. He kept fighting, till he saw that his people live on divided over the 13 shards
idk if youve completed endwalker or not but at one point with the scions theres an option to recall the white griffin and alisae walks you through calming down. Like the WoL isnt just implied to have ptsd- they genuinely do, and their companions only really start to realize it in endwalker when it becomes significantly more obvious.
@@ashathlok829 it shows up in the scene where the warrior and co first interact in the Forge area of Labyrinthos, and the guy starts asking for the materials. If you had done the Binding Coils of Bahamut, the WoL has the option to recall Nael (the White Raven)
@@just_d3spairity Ohhhh okay! I'll have to look through the book now! I think I got the binding coils stuff done a lil bit after endwalker came out ^>^ Thank you!
@@asteri8299 I would be more concerned if the WoL didn't have PTSD, i mean they've been through so much pain, lost people they were close to, they almost turned into a monster and don't even get me started on what Fandaniel and Zenos decided to pull at Garlemald (I will never get over that)
hythlodaeus rambling about sharks without subtitles only to fucking meet hydaelyn right after was the fastest I went from laughing my ass to going WHAT THE FUCK in my life
I really wish we had actually met Azem. It's overwhelmingly implied that we are a fragment broken off from that Azem, and it would have been really neat to see who we used to be. And with this story arc closed off, I don't think we ever will now :(
Implied? No, it's outright stated. They may not have used the words "The Warrior Of Light is the reincarnation of Azem" specifically, but it is straight-up told to us that we are, in fact, the Source's 1/14th of Azem.
@@omegaipodmaniac It is never stated. You have people hinting that they recognize something about you. You have these individuals believing you're a familiar of Azem. But no one ever says You are (a fragment of) Azem.
@@noneayourbusiness5149 I can't stress this enough, they are very emphatic about the fact that you are Azem. It IS something they're leery about at first, all the way from Shadowbringers to halfway through the next exapnsion, but after that they don't bother to hide it. During Endwalker, after you've defeated Zodiark, Hythlodaeus comes over and talks to you. He drops the hinting bullshit and just outright says you are the reincarnation of Azem. So I was wrong, as a matter of fact. They DO straight-up use the words "The Warrior Of Light is the reincarnation of Azem." Okay, so the exact words he uses are actually "Ah, that unmistakable colour. The soul of Azem. But not the friend I knew, I think. Nevertheless, you are you." He also ends the conversation with "My new old friend". I don't know what else you might need to be convinced of this but I promise you, the game stops hinting and starts telling. WoL is Azem, end of story, I swear to you.
@@omegaipodmaniac The "unmistakeable color" line is referencing the memory crystal you're holding - not you. Yes, the "new old friend" line is a REFERENCE to Azem, but never flatout says You Are Azem.
@@noneayourbusiness5149 Good God. You HAVE that crystal in the first place because Emet-Selch made it to hold Azem's MEMORIES (not their damn soul) and it was contrived to be given to you by the shade of Hythlodaeus SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE Emet-Selch was able to recognize that you are, in fact, Azem's reincarnation. Holding the soul crystal doesn't change your character's "soul colour" or whatever, nor is it what Hythlodaeus zeroes in on when talking about the colour of your soul, it's specifically the WoL's soul that has the same colour as Azem's because they ARE Azem's fraction from the Source. The "reference" you're talking about is a WEE BIT MORE than just that, you know. Breaking those four words down, it is specifically referring to the fact the Hythlodaeus knew Azem before the Sundering but is able to recognize the WoL as a seperate existence, not just a fractured version of someone he used to know. That's why he says "My NEW, OLD friend". Because they are a new existence splintered from an old friend. a "NEW, OLD" friend, as it were. You seem to be taking a very literal interpretation of what you initially said. It's almost as if you actually need to see the words "When Etheirys was fractured into fourteen shards, Azem was one of the Sundered and The Warrior Of Light is the Source's 1/14th of Azem, I would know, I was there" in-game by one of the characters before you'll finally be satisfied. If that's what you need before you'll finally believe something THEY HAVE OUTRIGHT STATED then there is just no helping you.
Azem is always referred to by the gender of the player character. Azem will almost certainly never been shown as their true self, it could impact player agency else.
@@sabertooth5979 I am certain, The Azem that the PC is reincarnated from is always referred to as the same gender as the player character. If they make a canonical Azem, Most likely they will be male but this is based on two assumption, first assumption is that reincarnations are always reincarnated as the same gender. Generally speaking the Ascians always appear to come back as the same gender after reincarnation. second assumption is that sundered souls follow this rule, in that all shards of a soul equally are born of the same gender, the only evidence we have of this is Minfilla with seemingly all of her shards in the first being female but they were also altered to appear the same as herself, so there was more going on there than normal; additionally that also only started after the flood was stopped. But if both these assumptions are true, Ardbert was male. Overall I do not think we will ever get a "canonical" Azem or PC, Meteor Survivor is the closest for PC and is really just a placeholder for trailers and such.
I was really hoping our meddling would create an alternative timeline were they all survive. I was sad when that wasn’t the case. Gave me hope and then ripped it away.
😂so any body on here using black mage?( I'm level 90 I lvl 575 ) I can't seem to beat worthy of his back ! I can't beats the adds fast enough ? Over a month and can't continue the msq without beating this one . I've never been this stuck in the game in years . Lol
I remember how boring and lame, or maybe just generic, this expansion felt up until you came here. Like fightinf Zodiark felt like tje beginning of the expansion because it got SO much better once that was dead and buried.
😂 I remember the complete opposite. After elpis the story turned in some shit based off a Dr Phil tv show with some emo teen trying to end themselves over Twitter text comically then looking for a "meaning to life" and an "inspiration to live through bad times". I was bored as fuck after this.
@@sopadefideos5636 story wise? Nah I don't remember it being fun after elpis. 😂. Just lot of emo bitch stuff looking for an "inspiration to live through bad times". Literally bored the fuck out of me so bad. So all the calamities and story behind the ancients demise all boils down to some little emo girl having a mental break down with no reason to live.. 🤣 if that's not some Dr Phil shit I don't know what is.
@@unclemonkey1977 except that this (like the first terminator) is done well and it’s not a subjective opinion, i’ve seen enough time travel stories to know which ones (most of them in fact) are bad.
How? The writers never intended for time travel to be portrayed as the standard. The natural order pre and post sundering aren't even the same. So to Hell with any frame of reference you or I would have from the past 4 decades where the plot revolves around time travel.
