FF7 "A Masterclass In Storytelling" | mlwjrpg Reacts 

Legit though. Why does every other FF7 essay person go "Aerith is amazing. I wish I had someone in my life like her. She is everything that is good in the world. If only Cloud could have saved her. He loves her so much.... But Tifa is the obvious canon love interest and I will not elaborate further."

People acting like those who ship Aerith and Cloud don't understand FF7's storyline is one of the things that bother me the most. Ship whatever you want to ship, but don't act like I'm stupid for shipping the ship that the devs are clearly throwing at me over and over again lol. I can see why people ship Tifa and Cloud, even if I don't agree. But I'll never understand why so many people can't seem to see how Cloud and Aerith are clearly depicted as romantic, especially in the Remake.

For me, playing FF7 and ignoring Aerith is like ignoring Cloud this whole time. However, this surprises me less and less, because I come to the conclusion that many Clotis do not like Cloud as much as they like Tifa, but he is the main protagonist in the game, not her, which some of them do not cope with very well

I've made this point elsewhere but I can't believe that these 'storytelling analyzers' completely ignore what the game was trying to convey about the Promised Land the entire time. Aerith says no one knows where it is, Cetra were nomadic people that would journey until they'd find it, that they would feel it once they got there. Her mom wanted to leave on that adventure to search for her promised land. Death was never overtly referred to as the promised land. They always called it 'returning to the planet.' And for some, that might have been their PL after a long journey where they'd reunite with their loved ones. But ultimately, note that the ONE description that we get about the PL is that it's a land of 'supreme happiness.' Look at ShinRa's obsession with finding it. ShinRa's interpretation of the PL is that it's a land where people are happy and want for nothing, hence they concluded that the land must be fertile and ripe for mako harvesting. It's hilarious to me as you can imagine that they chose that ending scene where Cloud sees Aerith, and immediately talks about the promised land.... AND MEETING HER THERE. It's an overt declaration that Cloud's Promised Land IS WITH AERITH BECAUSE SHE IS HIS SUPREME HAPPINESS. Sigh. This fandom is so tiring lmao.

Did people forget that Tifa wasn't even going to be in the game at all originally? It was only Cloud, Aerith, Barret and Red. And like dismantled and the ultimania states you get Aerith if you play normally. You literally have to go out of your way to get Tifa. With things like lying and saying Tifa is your girlfriend, literally having to walk around Aerith to get to Tifa in the sewers, etc. And even in Remake sewers Clouds arrow is pointed to Aerith on the mini map. And there is soo much more. People really like to self insert themselves onto Cloud. It's ok to have a preference. They gave the option for a reason. But to act like Tifa is Clouds canon choice doesn't make any sense. Even after her death they don't work out. And Clouds still looking for Aerith in his cameos in other games.

Saying that ff7 is a masterclass in storytelling and then saying ur fav ship is tifa and cloud is kind of wild to me... I know there is a lot that ties together tifa and cloud and them being childhood crushes and tifa looking after cloud what not, but the fact that aerith and cloud don't have that kind of tie makes their relationship that much weirder...and better. Starting with Aerith being the canon choice as rosa in the loveless play, and cait sith prophesizing the same fortune for all rosa's (which is Aeriths fate), also that rosa's weapon is literally a staff and we know which party member uses a staff, but the best part about aerith being the canon rosa is that the story for loveless completely matches her story with cloud and sephiroth AKA starcrossed lovers (Alphried being cloud - rosa being Aerith - Barret being sephiroth), and to make it even better... guess where aerith and cloud first meet, on loveless street! Even this little part of the story is so well crafted its insane, imagine how intricate the story is when it gets about aerith and cloud... if this is not canon it wouldn't have taken such a big part out of the game. Everything makes sense and everything clicks together, the story is so cohesive when aerith is the main interest. So to say ff7 is a masterclass in storytelling and maaaajorilly omitting aerith and her relationship with cloud out of the story does not make sense at all.

"i think we can meet her there" dang. 27 years later and i STILL remember cloud did NOT say that. it has always been "i think i can meet her... there" that line meant so much to us especially in disc 3 because of how limited we get to see aerith then, only a glimpse here and there. so every time cloud mentions her and then said HE wants to find her, it was like a meaningful gift to us players who miss aerith and CA's interactions. there's no way they can just edit the translation and think they can get away with it. trynna fool us but they be foolin' themselves~ :'))) love your videos! keep 'em coming!

You are the cure to the delusions this fandom suffers from.

Preach it brother. You are literally the voice of truth. I love how Tifa fanboys take an optional scene and treat it as an ultimate truth 😂 Also FF7 was marketed as "the lovestory that could never be" Why it could never be? Well because the main hero loses the woman he loves. That's why. No matter how you look at it FF7 is the story of Cloud and Aerith.

One thing I would like to point out is, this game for many people is about loss. Loss cuts deep and it can define you. Cloud losing Aerith in the OG helps him to find himself his true self that comes out when she dies in his arms. The short monologue this guy gave after that scene should have been a pivotal moment in his view of storytelling. But of course, these fans focused more on a ship than the actual point of the story and its main character. Great video!

This really shows that there are ff7 fans and then there are Tifa fans, we shouldn't confuse the two. People experience art on different levels and you can't expect people to appriciate it beyond their own limitations and biase.

This is one of my main problems with people who are more Tifa then Aerith prone … they completely eliminate their interactions stating them as either nothing at all or use Zack as an excuse. Not once was there any support to a layout didn’t show any Aerith content. Clouds reaction to her death is a monumental moment in OG and Rebirth. Look at the differences in Rebirth on the sky wheel dates with Cloud body language it’s really interesting.

Great and concise reaction video. I just want to add that SE produced "Reminiscence of FF7" which was a story compilation released alongside Advent Children, where I believe they even took the opportunity to revise some translations. Even so, Cloud's final words were STILL LEFT AS "I think I can meet her there". I think that says everything about their intent for that line. I'm not sure where that guy got that biased translation mod from, but I wouldn't be surprised if many new fans are using such fan mods for their OG playthrough and getting the wrong impression of that scene. This fandom is so annoying about Cloud and Aerith, so thank you for your channel and videos!

Thanks for this masterclass in the bloody obvious and the conviniently overlooked. None so blind as those who refuse to see. That "translation" of 'we can meet her there' - this is the first time I've ever seen that. In the game it's "I". And in Reminiscence of Final Fantasy 7 it's "I" as well. The masterclass in storytelling starts with two theme songs focused on the two main players' love story. Of inserting a side quest where you take her picture in front of star formations to subtley remind you they're star-crossed lovers. And of course of not having to tell everyone their affectionate date scene in Rebirth is just fan service. Among other things...

Awesome video. FF7 is also a master class in subverting expectations. Back in ‘97everyone knew Aerith and Cloud were the romance. Tifa was simply the busty babe from Cloud’s childhood. That’s why when Aerith dies the impact was unlike anything in video games. Final Fantasy is no stranger to killing off characters, even party members, but never the “white mage” main protagonist’s love interest. If Aerith is just an optional romance then it really cuts the knees out from underneath the game. I was there in ‘97, I still feel the loss. Incredible game, great response video.

Vaughn: Look at how profound I am talking about death. *Cloud's emotions on Aerith on full display* Also Vaughn: Let's just ignore that. It's not relevant to my heavily biased opinion.

Hi there. This whole situation feels like the entire problem with FF7 discourse and kind of the problem with the entire internet. If I was to take an educated guess, I’d say this guy likes Tifa (which is fine) and then when doing research for FF7 read a bunch of tumblr blogs of people warping the meaning of FF7 to be purely about Tifa. So in his head it makes perfect sense, but his point of view isn’t the entirety of all human existence. He can’t have my point of view. Why can’t he just be honest and say “I like Cloud and Tifa’s story for these reasons.” Why does he feel the need to selectively choose which scenes to include and not include. Why does he feel the need to say something is canon where, in truth, it is open for interpretation? It’s so frustrating to see so many writers, web sites and video people just going along with the group think rather than just doing their best to play the game and asses it with out a bias, or just be honest. Anyway, part 3 will probably be a rude awakening for a lot of people. Cloud’s identity crisis is going to get a bit real.

Bruh only mentions healing wind? Not Fury Brand? Planet Protection? That's how I know he didn't bother leveling her at all lol

Finally! A warm homely place for Clerith's soul like mine, where nobody will deny the obvious things about these two. Thank you for the videos!🤍

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Wether you like Aerith as Cloud’s love interest or not, a video this long that is meant to display why FFVII’s Narrative is so great, needs to have at least a somewhat major focus on Aerith. The narrative’s most central characters are Cloud, Sephiroth, and Aerith. I’d say Tifa is probably the 4th most central character but not to focus on Aerith much in the video just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I always find it surprising when people consider one or the other ship to be the only canon couple. It's very clear that both of the girls are dear to Cloud. Love is a complex feeling, it plays an important part in the ff7 story, yet so many fans pick and choose which moments matter to favor the pairing they like more. How frustrating.

well for me FF7 is indefinite on the romantic side of cloud choosing both girls. its a preference. its not like those FF titles for example FF8 thats romance focused game with squall and rinoa being a couple and have an happy ending. no such thing is cloud has on tifa. its the utter BS on tha youtuber on that take on his videos. love FF7 as i dont want aerith dies in the story for i can have her all the way around. but its unfairs to be bias on such character just to feed your delusional fantasies.

I'm just really curiuous about how they gonna put some of those lines in the third game you know. Because even in remake and rebirth we saw a lot of those "little" "mistranslation" in the english subs from the original japanese that are already being fuel for toxic shippers debate. And i might being crazy, but i have the feeling that this is intentional by the devs. For example, in the temple scene, cloud in the sub says to aerith "i got this" but what he actually says is "wait for me". I mean, wtf? Whats the purpose for such change??

Yeah most Tifa fans on RU-vid seem to be a lot more chill while the ones on Twitter are often…unhinged to say the least.

The guy from this video is the perfect example of what is wrong with most of people who are into shipping CT. See, people are very lazy from nature, they tend to pick up on the first thing/information that they come upon and get so fixated on it, that they only focus on that one aspect believing it blindly, not being interested in actual fact checking (as it requires effort and then often admitting their own mistake). This is called "confirmation bias". Cherry picking things out of context is what CT mostly floats on, and this video is a perfect example on that. There is no "the love interest for Cloud is up to the player" nonsense either. This is not a dating sim game with a self insert nameless character to play with. These people need to go play Persona or a myriad of other similar harem games. Cloud's closing words in the game are there for a reason. He wants to meet with Aerith. Case closed, thank you for playing. And go watch AC as it picks up right there. I can understand that someone as a player may prefer Tifa over Aerith PERSONALLY for one reason or another, or they want to see another boring "from childhood neighbours to lovers" corny plot but this game has a fucking FANTASY in its name. They are playing the wrong game. This is supposed to be a story about "love that can never be" (SE's words by the way, not mine). Tifa is the obvious eye candy fanservice character by design, it is understandable that most audiences are being drawn to her when first picking up interest in this game. Sex sells and SE is also aware of it. Remember when first Remake trailer with Tifa dropped, how many "fans" were outraged on the internet because SE dared to desexualise her a bit, give her high socks and supposedly make her Tifas smaller? This is the kind of people we are dealing with here. The thing with CT is, they have been digging their own grave for 2 decades now, parroting the same old shit again and again. Things like false translations ("we can meet her there" - oh yeah, that is why even since FFT Cloud has been shown looking for Aerith in his cameos BY HIMSELF up to this day), cherry picking things out of context (stuff from ultimanias), ignoring inconvenient facts (somehow they rarely bring up AC and novels especially CoT where Cloud shut down Tifa a few times and has always been portrayed as emotionally unavailable for her). Lots of them got lost in their own lies so far that they now refuse to admit their mistakes, it is no longer about the story or the characters, it is a "we vs them" kind of situation. Part3 will be a harsh reality check for a lot of ppl, but I don't feel sorry for them. I do feel sorry for newbies and first timers however, people who never had the chance to actually taste the game by themselves and trust their own feelings, because they had been indoctrinated way before they even had a chance to play. I don't get into "debates" with CT anymore because it is pointless. No matter how many times you prove them wrong, they will just come back with some other overplayed (long disproven) nonsense, or will twist the argument like little children with the legendary "no you!" argument ("no it's YOU who don't understand the story" etc). As soon as I see someone bring up "the hW sCeNe" I immediately don't bother anymore, as it is either a horny teenager on the other side or a straight up troll. Square knows how to imply physical intimacy since games like Xenogears way back from 1997 or most recent FFXVI. Anyone going deep into HW argument is simply wasting their time. SE made absolutely sure not to make CT a thing for nearly 3 decades and that is a fact. Unfortunatelly they have backed themselves into a corner with this and there is no easy way out anymore (therefore personally don't expect too much out of p3 ending in terms of satisfactory conclusion regarding LTD).

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Tifa is the obvious love for Cloud. I mean you can love people differently but Arieth is the one who had the wrong attraction she's the star-crossed love interest the heroine who falls. As an Arieth fan boy it's painful to see her struggling with her lose of Zach being twisted by Zachs attachment which Clouds mannerisms because he is still a soul broken individual. That's why she wanted to meet the real Cloud because she never seen him she saw Zach!