When my sister was playing through FFVIII I would be watching her play and add my own commentary throughout, so after she got Odin, anytime he showed up I would create random dialogue for him that she would respond to. So by the time she reached this fight, we had this full personality for Odin and she had gotten really attached to him, which made it really fun to watch her reaction to his getting killed.
most ironic part is my luck really sucked in this game. From the moment I got Odin to the point I fought Seifer he literally NEVER showed, not even ones. So I nearly forgot about him, then he finally showed during the battle with Seifer (me not knowing this was a scripted summon) I went like "Finally! make yourself useful!" and then he got cut in half...
You know what most people miss about this moment in the game? The fact that Gilgamesh is crippled, tattered, and missing 3 of his arms. Astute fans will remember that in Final fantasy 5(his last appearance) he is catastrophically injured and broken in his final battle to save the heros. Makes one wonder.
In the Japanese version of Gilgamesh's dialogue here, he basically says "Is that you, Ba..." and it has the first character of Bartz's name. That along with his design and mention of a dimensional interval - a direct allusion to 5 - and it's basically hinting that this is the same Gilgamesh from 5.
I remember the first time I got to this battle and seeing "Zantetsuken" appear, thinking: "Sweet. That's lucky. C ya later Seifer !", only for Seifer to cut Odin in half. My jaw dropped to the floor and my thought changed to: "Oh shiiiiiiiit".
I'd forgotten just how badass Gilgamesh's moment here was. The way he just walks off in particular after owning Seifer was just dripping with awesomeness. This guy needs his own fucking game already.
The even funnier thing is that Gilgamesh is a joke character in V and even in this version of him, he's missing arms from the fight in V. Still has an amazing theme though
Actually based on the original lines... This Gilgamesh is the one we all loved from FFV as he almost said Bartz's name till it was cut short... And if you noticed that he lost all his arms on the left side which makes sense when you considered that he sacrificed himself to protect Bartz...
Alright Seifer...sassing your peers on a regular basis is one thing. Deliberately disobeying orders because you want to fight is one thing. Abusing a dog because it's just there is one thing. Using your best friends as your personal pawns is one thing. Stabbing the good guys in the back is one thing. Triggering the worst boss in the game is one thing. Trying to kill your ex-girlfriend is one thing. Trying to kill, torture, and break the protagonist for no real reason is one thing. Being a total buttocks about everything you do is one thing. But when you brutally kill not only a GF, but a beloved classic summon, AND HIS HORSE, and then gloat about it?! Oooh, NOW IT'S PERSONAL. I'm glad Gilgs blasted you away a-la Team Rocket.
@@Aster_Iris dunno if you've played the game, but in the ending scenes, he's with fujin and raijin either at Balamb or Fishermen's Horizon...well fishing with them and shoving Raijin into the water for being better at it, so no he ain't in jail, even though he should be for all the stuff he caused, all for just trying to play at being a knight.
@@j3bus141 Quite a bit of Gilgamesh dialogue was muddled up in localization. He was suppose to mistaken you for Bartz from FF5 and the "dimensional interval" was suppose to be "the rift" or "the dimensional rift" from FF5, the place of the final confrontation and also where Gilgamesh was banished to, and got horribly lost in.
This is great having recently played FFV for the first time and shortly after returning to complete FFVIII 16 years after I last played. Gilgamesh in FFV references being banished into an interdimensional plane outside of time before crossing paths with your party once again. I love that this meant he travelled around time and space, stopping to fight Seifer in FFVIII (and other later games I believe) before eventually returning to FFV. He's got next to no role in this game but he had a nice low key character arc as a recurring boss in V.
Gotta love how Gilgamesh makes his bad ass entrance, blows Seifer away, and then just.... forgets how to leave. "Where is the Dimensional Interval?!" *shuffles around looking* "Oh, here we go." *leaves*
Gilgamesh's first debut was in ff5, he was a sub boss in ff5. In that game he was defeated by player for several stages，the last boss-Exdeath felt angry and send him into the dimension interval
This is a reference to FF5. Your last encounter with him, he finds the Excalipoor -- not the Excalibur. But anyway. He's sent to the interdimensional rift (Dimensional Interval). The person he's asking about is Bartz, whom Gilgamesh likes. He's trying to find his way back to the Rift. When FF8 was released, FF5 still had not been. so this was translated in a way that it wouldnt really need knowledge of FF5. It makes more sense in Japanese, as he actually uses the words "Butz" ("bartz")
I remember when this first happened to me, screaming like a little school girl when Oden popped up, " Oh F@#K YEAH! this is gonna be quick!" ............ Well fuck. (Tears begin to roll.)
+Lois.P I think Odin's japanese means Zantetsuken and Seifer's means Reverse Zantetsuken. Just something I've believed all these years, I don't actually know for sure.
+sirfullofhimself Yes, the text that appears on 0:30 means "Reverse Zantetsuken". The first word is "Zantetsuken" (斬鉄剣) and the second word is the noun "kaeshi" (返し), which means "reversal". "Zan-Tetsu-Ken" comes from the Kanji characters for "decapitation/murder" (斬), "iron" (鉄) and "sword" (剣). You can also see the Kanji for "sword" in Squall's "Renzokuken" (連続剣). In this case, 連続 ("renzoku") means "consecutive", so "Renzokuken" pretty much means "consecutive swords", or "continuous sword strikes".
Norse god charging on horseback, who's a samurai now, with the most beautiful scene a PS1 can possibly render. VS Some edgy teenager holding out in front of him a sword with a pistol grip, and doing nothing else.
Holy shit! I played this game back when it was new, I know that this fight makes you lose Odin and get Gilgamesh. But since this was my first Final Fantasy I didn't know about the other games. I just found in some random article that this Gilgamesh is the very same Gilgamesh that was cast into the void in Final Fantasy V and now he's back as a pseudo-Guardian force. Mind: BLOWN!
I think that's the only time in the series that a deity is defeated. It's a shame, though, that at the English version he does not ask for Bartz after the battle.
+Jay Nova But he's not a deity, but an ancient construct. And he's technically not destroyed directly because he has been summoned (it is more like you were breaking its link with this dimension or his summoner). Both Odin and Gilgamesh appear without being summoned, so it's arguable you could truly kill them in battle.
s1vh The mechanical fortress you usually see is indeed a construct that was made to house and control Alexander himself (if you follow the pieced-up canon of Alexander). FF4, he was akin to that of a God. FF6, he was an Esper. FF7, a summon (so not necessarily a god), FF8 a summon again, FF9 eidolon (practically gods), F11 celestial of light (quite literally a god), FF12 airship (lol), FF13 l'cie (practically a God) So you're both right and wrong.
You are getting to the point. Alexander is both the construct and the spirit/deity within. But as the construct gets crushed we can't deduce the "deity" is truly facing death, more than being "unsummoned".
+Link Technically, every time you use the trigger on your attacks he shoots his gun and slices his enemy at the same time :P Whether or not that's the intended purpose is something to be debated.
To be honest, he was copying his style from a person who had barely any idea how to wield it as well, Seifer copied his style from his childhood hero, who was actually Laguna who had gotten roped into helping with a movie where he had to use a Gunblade he had barely any knowledge on how to wield. So yeah, Seifer is a master of the wrong way to use a Gunblade.
+vc180191 in martial arts using a self made style doesn't mean is wrong, many people became legends in japanese history by mastering unusual ways of using swords , some poeple used to say one can't wield 2 swords at once effectivly then came Musashi .
This was absolutely fucking insane. One of the coolest moments on the PS1, but I'm actually glad people DON'T talk about it and seemingly most people who've played 8 don't even know about it, I haven't seen it brought up anywhere despite me giving up on trying to avoid spoilers ever since Lunatic Pandora appeared. It's not JUST the subversion of expectations showing you Seifer's strength, it's the fanservice of fucking Gilgamesh showing up out of nowhere to obliterate his ass.
i remember when i first saw zantetsuken at the start of the battle, i was just like "oh well too bad seifer, would have loved to stay and chat..." BAM seifer is so badass
One of the top reasons I always loved playing as Zell in this game was to stare at his super fine ass shake back and forth in his battle stance. Nice!!
I don't know if it's ever stated, but it is my headcanon that the reason Odin doesn't show up in boss fights is because you have to beat the boss yourself. He'll help you during weaker, random encounters so you won't waste your time and energy on them, but you still have to beat the bigger challenges by yourself. So this means (according to my headcanon) Odin views Seifer as a normal enemy. Tl;dr: It's 12:39 where I am and I'm tired.
Gilgamesh is the same a crossed all the games, actually. It's the same guy from FFV. Even though his design is quite different from what it would be in FFV and FFXIII-2 and Dissidia 12
Enzeru Kagai No he isnt, thats ignorant ,hes much more cooler here than anywhere else, lawl in FF5 and FF12 hes a laughing stock, a punching bag. He might be the same character, but he´s much more badass here. Hes personified as a demi god here.
+BlueBerry14 It's the same "Gilgamesh appears as a pseudo-Guardian Force only obtainable if the party acquired Odin before entering the Lunatic Pandora and fighting Seifer at the end of disc 3 (if Odin is obtained after the fight, acquiring Gilgamesh will not be possible). Odin will attack at the beginning of the battle, but Seifer will use "Zantetsuken Reverse" and slice Odin in half instead. Odin's Zantetsuken creates a rift in space/time, from which Gilgamesh appears and picks it up. Later in the fight, if it has lasted for more than 12 rounds, Gilgamesh will appear and defeat Seifer. Afterwards, he will appear at random during battles just like Odin to attack enemies with one of four random swords, but unlike Odin, Gilgamesh can appear even during boss battles and any time during battle, not necessarily at the battle's start."
+BlueBerry14 "The dialogue he exchanges with Seifer hints that he is indeed the same Gilgamesh as the one from Final Fantasy V: Gilgamesh "You gave me the 4th one..." "Huh? Was it you...?" "Then dodge my sword!" "Eat this!!!" Seifer "Ergwahhhh!!!" Gilgamesh Where is the dimensional interval...? In the Japanese version, Gilgamesh's line "Huh? Was it you...?" was "「ん？ オマエなのか・・・・？ バ・・・・？」" ("Huh? Was it you...? Ba...?"). The "Ba...?" in the end could mean he was talking about Bartz (バッツ, Batsu?). Also, the "dimensional interval" may be the Interdimensional Rift. "
+Fabricio Canllo yeah gilgamesh is confirmed to be same person from ffv in all the games he appears in. he just travels to different world to aquire swords after h was banished to the rift. I like the way he appears in this game via odins demise and his sword tearing a whole in the rift for gilgamesh to appear. badass!
Actually FF8 and FF5 take place in two different universes. Gilgamesh just travels between the FF universes. Infact, each FF seems to take place in it's own universes. The only expection to this is FF7 and FFX which are believed to take place in the same universe since a character in FFX-2 that goes by the name Shinra mentions that the energy of the planet might be harvestable but would take generations to reach that technology. So often it is speclated that FFX takes place before FF7. But other than that, pretty much every other FF game is its own universe
You know what annoyed me more than anything here? The fact that Gilgamesh ends this battle in a scripted timer, when Seifer is the ONLY enemy in the entire game that has the Aura spell in his inventory. Any other way to get that spell is finding rare draw points in only a few areas of the game (that barely replenish), or transmute items/cards.
These PS1 1 games are still cool even today This Square Soft game was amazing And this game is 15 years old now. So the PS4 is out now and what can i say. The games are to pricey and rubbish they seem to be running out of idea to me. They need to remake this game. Like people are saying there need a remake of FF 7.
As a child, I was in denial when Odin was killed. Also I didn't like Gilgamesh that much. his outfit reminds me of the circus I went that traumatized me for some reason.
@jeremymuccllar I'm not entirely sure what he means since it isn't really confirmed as far as I know, but that Gilgamesh may be referring tot he Interdimensional Rift in which he was banished to in FFV I think? That's what I read...
now i bit understand why its always raining when Odins come... just to make this scene where the sword cut the clouds. you see, it wont be dramatic in the nice weather when no "Cloud" around.
This is pandamonium and shows why Gilgamesh is one of the all time great heroes , When the sword splits into the sky and you see Gil's hand grab it, thats the image of the Ace of Swords from the Tarot deck, and he is likely the King of Swords!
first time seeing this i was like no freaking way you killed Odin. if remember correctly i got Odin shortly before getting into a fight with seifer,which made me go crazy after all the work of getting him.
In my second playthrough, I skipped getting odin until after this part because I didn't like Gilgamesh random attacks, especially the one with 1 damage.
Ugh, why does nobody realise Seifer is the best source of Aura in the entire game? Seriously I just draw like a madman in this fight untill Gilgamesh destroys him.
Gilgamesh is awesome. I fought Ultimecia for fun back in the day and he used to drop in the beginning. Even used Zantetsuken on her. Too bad it didn't help lol.
FF8 was a good game but I have to admit the magic spells sucked in this game, the damage scaling was really reduced and dubbed down. A level 3 spell in say ff7 or ff9 did damage in the 4 digits but here it barely reaches pass the three digits. Then again, the spells were meant to be more to boost your stats rather than use them frequently.
If you junction your strongest Magic to the Magic Stat, you can do some pretty decent damage with mid/high level magic attacks, especially if you cast Triple or use Cerberus. But you are right to be honest, you spend your whole time running around stocking strong magic, and then not using it, because you need to keep 100 stocked to have max stats. The best way to go on this game is simply Haste -> Aura -> Limit Break every time. GF's were fun for the first half of the game, but as you get other stronger attacks, their damage becomes mediocre. It's a bit of a shame, but limit breaks were so overpowered on this game it was almost like cheating.
The only good GF's in the end were Eden with reaching close to 60,000 hp damage, Cerberus for double and triple status, doomtrain for meltdown and status effects. The only good offensive magic spell was apocalypse and when Rinoa went into Angel wing and spells were 5x stronger but with no control. Yeah the limit breaks were overkill and broken. lol
I agree with you so much. This, linked to the fact you cannot gain money easily until selling to death items through refinements and they ruined this game so much. Still, a great game.
The other thing I discovered recently is if you junction 100 drain to elm att, you get 50% of the damage replenished with every attack (doesn't work on limit breaks). It's virtually impossible to die. Even Malboro doesn't stand a chance, bad breath casts berserk with means Squall constantly attacks and heals unless he's asleep, and Malboro's attacks always wake you up so it can only attack once before Squall wakes. This makes the game insanely easy. In one fight, I actually tried to die, and couldn't...
@shadowkolo Incorrect. Squaresoft was never the name of the company. The name of the company was Square, until it merged with Enix to become Square Enix, a name which it still goes by today.
