FFXIV Heavensward Thornmarch (HARD) Guide for All Roles 

Heya, sorry you didn't find the information you were after so easily. I didn't focus a ton on what healers should specifically be doing because there's honestly not that much to say other than 'just heal people so they don't die'. The 'Thrown for a loop' debuff is so unimportant that it's actually barely worthy of being mentioned - which is why I covered it the way that I did. When you do the fight, unless you're really focusing to watch out for it, you probably wont notice it at all. There are a good number of ways for people to instantly die and with so many players and enemies all over the place it'll be extremely hard to tell if an ignored Thrown for a loop kills someone (the debuff only lasts 6 seconds anyway). I will always highlight the most important things to focus on, usually with a 'so listen up' beforehand, so rest assured that if I don't make a big deal out of something you don't need to worry that much about it! That said, I wasn't attempting to mock healers by saying it'll be ignored, it's just a combination of the very small danger it poses combined with so much else going on that requires attention (moving out of aoes, healing people who don't move out of them etc), that there's just no point trying to watch out for it. It's not super common to be comboed to death like I was in the video but if you look at the time between when I got the debuff, and when I died, you'll see it's such a short amount of time that it's unrealistic to expect healers to pay so much attention to this mechanic anyway - when again, there's so much else going on that is more important. You've probably done the encounter by now I suppose but I hope that helps to clear things up!

Also, me mentioning that it can get esuna'ed off was supposed to be more of a bonus bit of information about the debuff rather than something healers should focus on :D (Why does RU-vid always put huge gaps between my paragraphs? Is it because I put a space between them when typing? What if I don't leave a space now? It looks harder to read when typing the comment but let's see how it looks once it's posted - exciting!)

Looking over the clip now, even if someone did esuna it off of me, I would have died anyway as there wasn't enough time to escape that aoe. There's less than a second between when I start moving back to the paladin, and when the huge aoe fades (which means i'll be taking the hit). (Looks like not leaving a space didn't work. Back to leaving a huge space then I guess. Why can't RU-vid not be silly?)

@@TomScottDoesStuff i think you needed a healers save like rescue. the debuff only lasted 5 sec's

Probably, but dying there didn't matter anyway really as the encounter isn't that hard. Quick combat rez, brush the dirt of me knees and press on.

Thanks Simpley Si! That's great to hear :)

Nice :D Glad to have helped & welcome to the game ^^

Hey that's great! If my guide can help turn a first timer into a mack daddy i'll consider that a success. I'm happy to hear that macro trick has come in useful for at least someone :D Good job!

The legends say that he is still waiting.

I watched the guide during the queue and it popped right when he said good luck at the end.

Tell me you're dps without saying you're dps

@@TomScottDoesStuff 29mins of que time

That makes me feel old :hidethepain:

Many mispronunciations were deleted that day... #neva4get

Yeah it got reworked in 6.2

Nice one! Glad to help. Enjoy your moogle power :D

Hey no prob, thanks for the comment ^^

Ah you'll be alright. It's mostly just 'don't stand in stuff' combined with 'hope I don't get mind controlled'. If people eat the ground they eat the ground. Good luck!

Thanks Johnggernaut! ( I was just on holiday ^^). If you've any suggestions for other guides you would like, let me know :D

Hey thanks, good to know! Welcome back and good luck finding those marbles! :D

Noice! Yeah this fight is a little bleh with all the names but fortunately it's not too hard. Thanks for the support!

If someone marks in this fight they automatically get +6 Likes and at least 2 Cool Points.

@@TomScottDoesStuff :D Agreed! Since my original comment, I've been the one that usually marks if one of the tanks don't. Got thanked a few times by tanks since they can actually do their thing and not have to worry about it.

@@Altearithe Please accept these 2 cool points from me to you. You are doing Eorzea proud.

You're welcome Stephanie! Those macros continue to surprise me in just how easy they are so glad to know they helped. Thanks for the awesome feedback!

Yeah this is much easier now these days. Memento Moogle isn't even a killer anymore (at least I've not wiped once yet even when our DPS focus the boss).

No worries Dan(theman). Happy to have helped, thanks for letting me know!

Nice one! Glad to hear it!

Well I wasn't aware of that but fair enough ^^ Glad the guide helped but yeah, I suppose this is just one of those fights where the majority of people seem to have no idea what's going on. Hard to go in blind and not wipe people I guess. Oh well!

Open the system menu > User Macros. Then just pause the video at each macro and copy the text to a new macro.

If you can snag the OT role then this fight is GGEZ. All you need to do is grab the bright blue paladin and the red warrior and dance for the rest of the fight. Also me making sure I say the colours of the moogles before their class in this video as a memory aid has worked a fuckin treat because I know the paladin is bright blue and the warrior is red all these years later writing this comment :D Also even the MT role is quite easy. The only moogles you can actually tank are the paladin and warrior. If you're the MT all you gotta do is pick up the boss once all the moogles respawn and take him off to the side somewhere and GG.

@@TomScottDoesStuff Yeah, after watching your video, everything was made clear. Thank you. :) I made a post-it (haha) with the spawn order too so I can help mark the kill order for any new sprouts.

irk, I'm just happy editing is a thing :P

No problem, happy to help!

I like the part where you get mind controlled and eat a death strike most.

@@TomScottDoesStuff Today (at another boss as tank) I got feared and a bomb came near me and was doing his stuff. At that moment I was like "Ah shit". At those moments you just know you are going to die and can do nothing about it.

No prob, thanks for the support :D

You're welcome Ninjor!

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You're welcome Conor! :D

No prob :D I thought there must be an easier way to do the marking and here we are ^^

I had to record some of them more than once I can tell you that much :P

No problem my Eorzean internet buddy-pal!

Thanks Inujosha. I am happy to read your comment and type my own to inform you thusly :D

NP :D

Yeah it can be pretty hard to remove to be honest. It only lasts 5 seconds and if you happen to be casting a heal already, you have to quickly cancel and esuna - and that's if you even notice in time. Of course in the video, if I had gotten it removed straight away I would have died anyway as there was only enough time to escape that AoE once, as soon as my character was turned around, it was too late. It's the sort of mechanic where I can't really hold a grudge on anyone if I die from it as the reaction window where the person still has time to avoid any aoe they might be in after getting esuna'ed is so small.

Ouch. Sounds like you had fun :d (Sorry for the late reply, RU-vid's comment notification system is a bit broken at the moment so I've only just seen your comment).

Nerf taunting

Nah you can farm the skins just by repeating the trial, but for someone who just needs to clear it once for the story it's not really worth remembering the kill order - but if you're spamming the place then might as well learn it.

Don't think of it like you're killing them, think of it like you're just helping them to unlive.

I did originally plan to but when I typed out the script I saw that there just wasn't enough material to make it into a video. I think the main tactic was something like the tank pulls the first moogle, uses flash and then everyone hits alt+F4 on their keyboards to start casting buffs.

Was he on drugs?

As long as you avoid everything that kills you or is trying, it's GG EZ ;)

Generally nothing good. More aoes to avoid. They are different colours so you can tell the difference I suppose, but for this guide you just need to know that aoe = bad.

@@TomScottDoesStuff Thanks!

:D

That rando who makes final fantasy videos or something? idk.

Pretty much yes.

Don't think of it as wiping, think of it as a speed introduction to the floor :)

The dragoon just wanted friends to floor tank with

Some of the Moogles Guard can obliterate people with their AoEs (like how i died after getting Thrown for a Loop). Otherwise the big hit will come from the boss if you damage it too far without killing enough gremlins.

If you open the system menu, then the User Macro option, make a new macro and copy the text from each of my macros. Should work out of the box.

Yes, clearing this is part of the MSQ.

@@TomScottDoesStuff oh kk thanks a lot. I’ve just been having trouble getting put with a group to do it so I was hoping maybe I could skip it. I probably just have to log on in the evening over morning when more people are on. At least I know now. Thank a lot.

No problem, good luck 👍

Yeah. Unfortunately I don't have the time for end game MMO content right now so I couldn't get fully hooked. I've thought about coming back to finish the story (which I enjoyed) and perhaps being able to make more FF content for YT but I've so much else to busy myself with currently that doesn't require spending extra money. Returning is definitely something I've thought about but I wasn't exactly a pro player (I never hit level cap much to the bewilderment of my FC). The content I could make for the game was always limited to what I could do mostly on my own - which means no super pro FC boss kill guides and stuff. I didn't like abandoning the new player guides but making them felt like a lot of work as I had already stopped logging in to play when I started them. That said I still have a lot of material prepared from back then. We'll see I suppose. I still work hard on my other videos so check 'em out if you want. You never know. #promote lol ;)

While that's probably true, a kill order does exist (and for a reason) and going without one might be messy as people who haven't done it before might not know who to be attacking - especially considering anyone who is familiar with the fight will likely be following the order out of habbit. It'll probably also go quicker if people focus them. As I said in the guide though, if you're only doing the fight the one time for the story then you don't need to worry about learning any order.

Nice one, well done sprout!

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