FFXIV Lore- Understanding the Twelve 

This was pretty great. I enjoyed them "in universe" look at the lore. Its sometimes easy to forget how unusual the WoLs/Scions knowledge base is in the world of Eorzia.

after EW i am 100% convinced the twelve were Venat's allies

This is so cool, and makes me actually wonder about the alliance raids we'll be getting in Endwalker.

This was very well done, your colleague did a great job here! After watching this, I think I finally understand the gold/silver linings of each symbol for The Twelve. Gold represents the active polarity of Their respective elements (Thaliak's constant search of knowledge) and silver is the passive (Menphina's loving shield against hate). Thank you, Scribe. :-)

Σ(ﾟДﾟ) the tower of Byregot and Rhalgr is a depiction of the Crystal Tower drawing energy from Dalamud!

Even the ever studious scribe has colleagues to help him find his many book and scripts

I absolutely love the way you portray ffxiv lore, it’s very fitting and immersive.

This. THIS is the format of video that I love, man. It does take a lot of work but this one by far (based on composition and scripting) has been my favorite. Keep it up, Teach!

Althyk raising Nymeia and then becoming her lover is a bit creepy though very fitting in god myths. This video is super helpful and interesting before the Myths of The Realm alliance raid.

This was really cool! The way you structured it, as an in universe conversation, earns so many points in my book. Really good stuff, neatly organized, and spun into an informative, entertaining lesson on the 12. I didn’t realize my patron god, Halone, resided with the moon goddess. I love the moon, so im happy they are together.

That was both adorable and incredibly informative! Thank you for all your hard work studying the lore of this incredible world, and your joy sharing with all who will listen!

Your channel doesn't really have the attention it deserves man but given how exponentially popular XIV is becoming I think you'll have an explosion of subs sometime in 2022. Keep it up, the quality is great! I really enjoy this "in world" approach you took with this video.

This myth and some of the gods/heavens actually makes sense with the insanity of everyone being like 'oh yeah, calamities based around elements, rise and fall of civilizations constantly happening every few thousand years, just another day we have to survive here' as the cycle of destruction, creation and gods that SEEM opposites working alongside seems to be a common theme amongst gods. It's engrained into the cultural mind of Eorzea.

Feels synchronous that I happen to RP someone who's aethersick and happens to just avoid aetheryte teleportation and was also born under Oschon. Big think. 🤔

I can not thank you enough for making this video. My friends couldn't even explain it and they have been playing nearly a decade!

Now I understand that Line Lahabrea says when he is casting Ultima.. from the deepest pit of the 7 hells, to the pentacle of the heavens. I do wonder if him saying that Line means that the creation myth has any truth to it.

I've recently found your channel and been loving everything I've seen! I've been sharing your videos with my RP group to help them immerse into the lore, thank you for making such awesome content!

Love the lore bits here! As invested as I am with the story of FFXIV, I like that the lore has been discussed to this extent in your video. Will probably see more and understand the Twelve once the alliance raid for Endwalker hits! Thank you :D

I think the Twelve are actually the Amaurontine members against the Convocation. The Convocation was probably thought to be consisting of only 13 members as Azem's was known as the "forgotten seat". To oppose Zodiark they mustered an equal amount of members to form Hydaelyn: 12 members and Venat against the Convocation of 13. The Twelve arose as they regained their own individuality and pulled away from Hydaelyn to become their own deities.

I've always wanted to know more about the twelve. We may hear an occasional prayer or name drop or we may learn what their belief has influenced on eorzean society but they never talk about the gods in regards to actual eorzean lore to the point where like the student in your video barely any players actually know anything about them. I really hope they becomes major plot points in future expansions so that stuff like their lore is more common knowledge among players. Me and my friends even have a theory that after Endwalker we might start fighting primal versions of the twelve now that Spoilers We've developed a cure for tempering so maybe some believers of the twelve might start getting reckless and primal summon some of them now that they no longer have to fear becoming a mindless zombie

Thank you very much for this video ! I've been wondering about the lore of the Twelve for a while now, and your video helped me understand a lot of it.

Such a creative way of doing lore videos, great stuff!

Awesome video. The explanation was masterfully done I understood everything. I love the roleplay in this video as well. Please more of this!

When I started FFXIV last year, I never thought to be very invested in the game's lore. This channel helps me piece together and make sense of the information that I may have come across in game and brushed off as some random lore drop. This primer for the history of the twelve gives me confidence that when the EW raid drops, all the new information wouldn't just go over my head. And that makes me more excited for it. Thanks Scribe!

They are really teasing us with the "12 are ascians theory" imo. We only have 2 samples to work with, but for example Emet-Selch. Nald'Thal. 2 words for the name. Nald'thal is the overseer of the underworld and commerce, Emet's true name is Hades, also ruler of the underworld, nd he does have nice understanding of the life stream. Emet-selch's crystal and associated constellation in FF12 is gemini, and nald thal are twin gods. Emet Selch also means Angel of Truth, and an arbiter of commerce like Nald'thal probably has to be very truthful. And finally, NaldThal resides with Azeyma in a city of prosperity and gold. Azeyma is theorized to be based on azem, us, and a dear friend of Hades/Emet. Azeyma is considered a just and honorable lady, who's light and sun shine overcome darkness and injustice, just like the warrior of light does. So yeah it's not 100% there (like, i highly doubt azem would spend much time in a single heaven. He has a lot in common with oschon in that respect), but it's too many similarities to be just a coincidence

Honestly Oscheone (spelling, sorry) just showing up one day makes sense to me. Wanderers tend not to have beginnings or ends, otherwise they aren't wandering. Just noticing, Halone had nothing to do with the 'truce' between herself and the nature goddess (bad with names, apologies).

I wonder if we shall travel to these "Seven Heavens" given certain stories regarding Azemyma The Warden.

Good video. Will you do a part 2 after Myths of the Realm is done?

Honestly, the use of in-game proxies for the explination was just perfect. Great work!

I like how you have a buddy to ask some questions to help clarify some stuff. I'm a new subscriber and I like your videos they are great to listen and I love learning about the lore of this game.

This has been very helpful with the new alliance raids and seeing the future bosses and heavens themes, very informative!

The Q&A format of this was really nice

My character's deity is Halone and watching this, it honestly fits her character as a whole. My WoL Oiamh is a Miqo'te born and raised in Ishgard who yearns for battle and revenge against her father for killing her mother. The main colour I wear for her is Red, bestowing her with the title "Crimson Summoner". Very well done as well! I loved watching this.

your friend did a great job

I'm a bit new to the ffxiv community but this was the best lore vid I've seen yet, cant wait to explore this world more!

What a wonderful lore Video! Gonna share that for sure

I feel like this video might change in the future when the alliance raids drop, I have a theory they might be the ancients who backed Hydaelyn

Still better voice acting than high guardian spice

Excellent video keep up the good work guys

Post Thalia, one year after this. The seventh heaven -- where one becomes all and all become one. Damn. You're good.

hey man, ive been binge watching your vids thanks for the great explanations of the lore of our game! Just a question, Do you think there’s a chance that the twelve has some kind of relationship with the “you know what” group of the ancients?

25 minutes TED talk on the 12? YES PLEASE! Thank you! This was easy to follow and had a truly immersive feel. It has the same energy as the best Greek/Roman mythos with all of the good, bad, ugly, and scandalous that humanity likes in some god lore. When I started the game, I chose Thaliak because I am a teacher, not realizing how much I already resonated with him. Great stuff here!

Great video as always

Great lesson! For the future, could we get a lesson on what we know on the ascians, both unsundered and sundered?

I watched this to get a sense for the new raid. I love your videos!

I need to finish the msq so I can safety watch all of you videos

Can't wait to see the supplemental information from the EW 24-man.

This video is more relevant than ever seeing that we have the new alliance raid, and might learn more

I’ve always been curious about the Twelve, the creation myths of Eorzea along with what the gods do and why/how Eorzeans pray to them. As a lvl 65 Smn/Sch just about to get into Stormblood by going over Baelsar’s Wall I do have to temper knowledge with spoilers. Naturally as a Hyur female Summoner during solo content and Scholar during group content I chose Thaliak as her patron god, though she probably also likes Oschon since she’s a travelling adventurer and the goddess of love since she loves Limsa Lominsa, Gridania and Ishgard enough to risk her life a lot protecting them. Not so much Ul’dah after the events at the very end of ARR content right before she winds up sheltering in Ishgard. It wasn’t just you-know-who. There was enough corruption in Ul’dah at all levels, not just in the Syndicate that allowed that to happen to an entirely innocent party who had done nothing but good for Ul’dah. Even those who knew what was really going on as rivals of the conspirator allowed the false accusations to happen. Nobody except Raubhan stepped up to protect the innocent. That incident damaged the Scions forever. We know what happened to Minfilia, what Thancred lost, how Y’shtola was changed for casting that forbidden Flow spell. And how Yda and Papalymo abandoned their duties for a whole expansion. And perhaps adding insult to injury when we finally do get to face “Griffin” and beat him down, forced cutscene inaction forces us to watch our WoL fail to land the saving fatal blow while Griffin is down. Instead we’re forced to let him get to his feet and enact his plan. Another thing that causes major damage to the Scions. *Snort.* I’d have never listened to Aymeric and toss those items down a random frozen gorge. Not knowing the Asians and the kind of power they wield. No, I’d have given them to Midgardsormr or Hvaesrelgyr for safekeeping. Who better than either the father of all dragons or one of his First brood? So yeah me and my WoL aren’t too fond of Ul’dah. It’s corrupt on all levels. Remember the merchant who first accused a female refugee of theft so he’d have the excuse to rape her? The one that got us “fed” to Ifrit? Him and the corrupt Brass Blades and Immoral Flames? Anyway I enjoyed learning about the Twelve. Just as during the Dragon Age series I enjoyed learning about the Maker in Andrastism, the Elven pantheon (which seems like a smaller version of the Twelve.) And the Dwarves and their worship to The Stone and their ancestor Paragons. Even in the Fallout series it’s fun to see the Children of the Atom. Not really a surprise that living in a post nuclear apocalyptic wasteland for two centuries caused a religion that worships radiation. Then there’s the Nine in the Elder Scrolls series. Always fun for a RPG fan who enjoys lore like me.

Given recent patches, when I found this vid I thought it'd be a good Idea to brush up on the lore of the gods. And now that I have not only did I learn a lot of interesting things, but recent events make more sense with this context. Plus I now know the chosen deity I picked on the character creation screen so long ago I can't remember the reason for my choice is still a deity worth following.

This so much more interesting after finishing myths of the realm

Byregot is pronounced like the word Pyre.

Anymore episodes with your friend? Loved this style of vid with you being the teacher

After learning of the truth of Hydaelyn and Zodiark from the Ascians, witnessing the Power of the Twelve shatter before the might of Bahamut, do any of us still think of the Twelve as actual Gods?

love your lore videos. totally approve of the "skits"

With the new Alliance raid, this video might just get a sequel.

I picked Azeyma because of the letter A leader the word and the symbol of the sun. I am happy I chose it after knowing it is just and nothing can hide from her. Another favorite is Althik because wielding time and space is a powerful domain imo. Still, its impressive how the developers thought deep into the lore and aspect of hydelyn and Zodiark!

Revisiting this vid after beating Endwalker, and... spoilers... Emet-Selch teases "the true identities of the 12." Possibly inferring that they were surviving Amauroti.

can I hope to see a updated visual version of this since we now know what they look like? wishful thinking I know lol

**Heavy Spoiler warning:** Last chance My headcanon shortly into SHB was that the Twelve was the greater whole of the WoL before the summoning of Hydaelyn. So either the 12 was the 'complete' WoL plus her/his companions or 'The Thirteenth' was a deity lost or omitted throughout the ages.

Loving all this lore

And all of a sudden, this is much more relevant.

Loved the new model!!!

Good stuff.

THANK you for this...!

does the lore ever go into detail about how, according to the faith of the twelve, mankind first came into existence? or for what purpose?

the more i learn about ff14 lore the insane thought i put into my character just so slowly happens to match actual lore my characters fits

My character in my mind has developed into an artist, a poet and most of all a historian, so Nymeia being his Guardian co-incidentally is a perfect fit I will honour those who came before me, my writings will ensure that I keep that promise, the promise to remember

given what emet-selch tell the Wol in endwalker, the twelve are probably the amaurotine who joined venat to oppose the convocation of 14, i think that's the direction they might take in the future

They exist. If a primal can be created out of aether and prayers then 12 gods certainly can.

I love the way you pronounce wanton as wonton. ;) Always makes me hungry for those Panda Express Cream Cheese Wontons. ;) If it makes you feel better, for years I didn't realize that facade had one of those french c's that are pronounced like an s. I only got away with it because I knew the spoken version. I had always assumed facade was spelled differently. It blew my mind when I was reading closed captioning one day and saw the spoken word spelled out and realized it was a word I had been mispronouncing in my head for years.

I'm back now that the raid is out, I'm looking for comments and reactions everywhere

So, where does the mother crystal rank among deities? She's not one of the twelve, yet still worshipped.

Could you do another video on the twelve with all the new lore that came out?

15:44 :o am I wrong or does that look an awful lot like the shape in the endwalker logo?

How does this play into the Viera lore then? Its said they hear not only the earth and that its alive. But the world beyond, the spirit world. And that's it's their law and way of life. So is the 12 they hear, or something else? Or possibly something else along with the 12?

I want to RP with you guys!!! this looks so fun to film

What area is this? I remember it but don't recall the name of the dungeon.

Like Fudge Muppet said in one of their Elder Scrolls lore vids "To not believe in the gods in Elder Scrolls would be like not believing the Force in Star Wars. You would just simply be wrong." I believe the same goes here but still a great and insightful video

Ooh, try more in character dialogue while presenting these vids maybe? I always enjoyed banter between characters :)

I thougth the twelve were primals. Since they grow in power with prayer and crystals and were one of the main reasons why gaius wanted to "educate" the eorzean peole

New player (still haven't actually started, but I need a firm grasp of the lore/myths to get into a game) and this is amazing, thank you so very much. The wiki is a hot mess and this is so easily accessible.

The guy voicing the second guy sounds like Joe Cappas cartoon voice for "Dino Girl"

"In a kupo nut" I am stealing this phrase XD

Funny how your company wore a half mask but he sounded more muffled then yours? But regardless of sound what a delightful way of handling a topic with someone to bounce off. I always wanted to do such myself with the lore. Keep up the good work.

I'll quote you in Sharlayan circles. Without a lingering doubt. That when I get there.

I wonder if the 7th is where a soul is placed when they can be classified to one.

Huh neat. My WoL is Hyur Highlander who worships Althyk. I picked it because it was the closest thing to Akatosh from the Elder Scrolls. After watching this I'd like to think he only started actually praying properly after the sh*t that went down in ARR in Ul'dah. Becoming the rock for the surviving Scions and once mostly everyone was recovered they had all gotten used to deferring to him and he kept his worship up in a "Oh please don't let me fuck this up." kinda way.

Really liking the conversational format, gives a Socratic maieutic vibe to the lessons, where the one learning finds it's own answers thanks to the knowledge and the discussion about it.

I wonder if there any stories about Menphina and her loyal hound Dalamud

wait a second is that miqote the same miqote from the "Trying to Study with friends" video?

My character is a miqote dragoon who worships rhalgar. He is an odd character 😆

Coming back on patch day just to dust off my old twelve knowledge and show off the lore brain lol

Sooo, what was your reaction after meeting them?

Hilarious coincidence that I'm a sun miqote that mains warrior. And just so happened to pick azeyma as my deity. That fits surprisingly well. Edit: I just realized that azeymas daughter llymlaen is the goddess worshipped by limsa lominsa. My starting city. And the deity residing over my nameday is halone. The goddess of war. IT ALL CONNECTS! :0

This is so gooood

Llymlaen worshipped by seamen not because of the sea current but because the wind is the force that pushes their sails

Oh good. Choosing Halone truly did match my WoL lol

another example of how XIV's world building might be the best in the series

Sun goddess is Azema AZEM a And the crystal has the sun symbol