there are still the arturias + mordred to kick around so thats not a problem. sieg is actually going to be usefull for anyone whos not done with camelot yet since there are some assassin fights and mordred + laturia.
@@fenixmartin854 tbf neither of them are generally useful against dragons. The part of Sieg's skill design that actually carries him is the NP spammability inherited from Fran.
@@natchu96 What are you talking about? Siegfried is plenty good against dragon enemies. Especially considering additional additive multiplier on NP + the ridiculously high special modifier of up to 80% that comes with a mana burst as well, he deals incredibly high damage against dragon enemies. Its Sieg who doesnt really do well because most dragon enemies are riders and assassin dragon trait enemies are rare: not to mention unlike Siegfried he doesnt have that high special mod. When it comes to anti-dragon, Siegfried is unparalleled: not even Sigurd can outdo Siegfried in that aspect. This isnt me saying that Siegfried's a top tier saber but in his niche he is extremely effective, being able to dish out high damage while having tanky defense against dragon enemies
you know what would be hilarious and fitting at the same time putting him in a team with jeane and jalter jeane can provide some hard defense with her NP and jalter can boost his attack with her dragon charisma 2 of his main weaknesses
Will be grailing Sieg and then send him to the Second Archive, like how he got the grail and yeet himself to the Reverse Side. And to reunite him with Jeanne to flex on the haters
Me watching Apocrypha back in 2017: What kind of BS is this? Shishigou and Mordred should've been the MC Me using him in Fgo: Dat NP looks pretty cool tho
@@sibsart2039 Nah, I just can tell when T-M is putting out complete shit when they know they can do better lol. Apocrytha's not even good to begin with.
i need something that works as a dps caster and sieg is good enough for that so i wont mind farming the event for him. unless im lucky and get sanzang befor that...
Unironically HYPED for my boi Sieg! Both because he'll dragon surf like no tomorrow for gameplay And it's great to have this adorkable boi post-Origin Story in Apoc
His focus on being a farming caster actually seems great to me since I absolutely despise assassin nodes in any event. I have Nursery, CasGil, and Helena, but they're all only at NP1 and unreliable in anything that doesn't have an insignificant amount of HP. Yes, I know there's Halloween Eli, but charging her NP is a pain in the ass. Sieg coming at NP5 with a pre-damage def down sounds like an incredible breath of fresh air.
Well, this is certainly a surprise, lol. I was expecting to see Chiron's Spotlight next, but I'm happy to see Sieg's Spotlight either way. ^_^ To be honest, I do like Sieg a lot; specifically because I personally love Arts Teams, I can see myself using him a lot, since Arts Teams are all about NP Looping as much as possible, which I love doing when it comes to any kind of content I get from FGO. ^_^ Also, I have plenty of ways to have him NP Loop, if not NP Spam, when it comes to all of the Servants I have in my Roster, and where I know this is a generic choice of Servant to mention to pair up with Sieg, I most certainly Will be pairing him up with Merlin; ever since Babylonia when I fought Gorgon the first few times, and I paired the Support Merlin from the Story with 4 Star Nero and Mash And getting Nero to the point of using her NP LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TURN, I just wanna re-create that scenario with Any other Arts Servant in the Game and enjoy them NPing Every Turn!!! So, I seriously cannot wait to get my hands on Sieg and make him Hard Core NP Loop!!! lol ^_^
@@amari7782 With the same buffs (self + 2 wavers), NP5 Sieg does the same damage as my NP2 lvl 100 Helena (~37k neutral on average), as long as her 2nd skill fails to activate. Otherwise, she does about 16-20k more. Both would comfortably clear most 2nd waves, but Helena provides stuff to the team, so she's more valuable in general.
@@kundatrix Well, that's Sieg's niche. He can loop and clear semi-tough assassin/dragon/zerker 3rd waves. On the other hand, Helena's "niche" is to buff, charge, and do enough damage to clear any wave 1-2 (that isn't just a giant dragon) which is universally good.
Not really caring much for his character isn't the big thing for me. The biggest issue for me is that a farming Caster...is the last thing I need. For others I'm sure he'll be a very nice pickup. For me though...I'll probably never use him. Well maybe if I ever get bored of using Caster Nero, Anastasia, Helena, Nitocris, Caster Gil, etc. He can take it easy and just not do anything.
FlareKnight to be fair he’s a free np5 meaning he can hit much harder than most of the ones you listed not on top of being able to be used in CQs as your main dps
@@georgeabreu6392 Not only is he the most reliable but also the most efficient compared to the ones FlareKnight told. Just max his NP gain and NP battery. You only need kscope and arts supports to make him NP loop.
I already have Anastasia, so there’s no need for me to get Sieg. However, I actually still really want him because I like his character. For a emotionless homunculus who was only born a few ago he’s a pretty interesting guy. Plus I’m a huge dragon fan, so I really like his NP.
Javier C. You don’t know how happy I am to see someone who actually LIKES Sieg-kun~ So many people call him a “cardboard protagonist” or say he isn’t very interesting but I thought he was really good 😭
He's the very reason I'm even playing Grand Order :D so to honor this kid I'll max grail him, max fou him, Bond 15, max skill and have him and Jeanne fighting together on the frontline!
Rods' Retroplays not the same reason really for me, apocrypha was kinda my introduction to fate, (watched a fate zero episode before I couldn’t get attached to it, prob because I didn’t really know what was going on oops) after watching it, I watched the other fate stuff and went looking for a game for fate. Surprisingly, there was a apocrypha release banner and did a single summon on it and got my first non guaranteed SR, Astolfo.
@@minomax3229 zero was a really good watch for me, even more so after watching unlimited blade works and how it all connects together. Iskandar, Waver, Gilgamesh, and saber wearing a suit were what made me stick to zero along with Kiritsugu's ideology to become a hero of justice. I still need to watch apocrypha before this event drops tho 😂
What I think he need the most is a strengthening quest that let his 3rd skill ignore class disadvantage. Similarly to Semiramis. Cuz, you know, most dragon are Riders. And they eat Casters for breakfast. Doesn’t matter how people talk about Sumanai, at least he isn’t handicapped against the one thing that he’s supposed to be excelled at killing.
He should also be pretty good in challenge quests that throw tons of Berserkers or Assassins at you for the same reasons he's a good farmer: High spammability and pretty good damage once you've buffed him with a Tamamo. Doesn't even need to be your own, although I can definitely see him become a monster with a double Tama setup. Basically the classic "kill them before they kill you".
As someone who have not watched Apocrypha, I'm actually interested in seeing what he can bring to the table. Well, one of my very few SSRs is Caster Nero NP1, so I might have a case of a jealous empress on my hands (there, there, you're doing great), but still. Georgios+Siegfried+Sieg meme team incoming? ... maybe.
Finally, my favourite piece of cardboard is almost here! My EXP cards, Fous, Grails and most importantly, SIEGFRIED are ready and waiting to receive you! .... Oh and Jeanne's here I guess.
Guys, the Apoc rerun was just recentlyly in JP, so burning the cardboard would lose you 5 rare prism once the rerun back in NA. I suggest put him in the second archive, not lv him or something. 5 rare prism worth a lots and you have to deal with the ascension he leaves behind too. Burn him after that should be fine.
@@zachshield5187 Yep, they don't. But from LB3 onwards if you already played the event and have the welfare, then the rerun of that event in the future will give you 5 RP. Or that's what I heard from jp players
Ugh, damn right he SHOULD be an Alter Ego. Wyvern/Dragon slayers are best in the Assassin/Alter Ego classes since they often show up as Rider class mobs anyway. You dun goofed DW.
Neither of those things actually have anything to do with Alterego qualifications specifically, though they can certainly contribute to qualifying in some ways...but even that was the case of a pseudo-servant. The artificiality and multi-origin aspect of Melt and Lip is more due to how they were made, which is itself the reason for their class. So one doesn't justify the other; they correlate due to having a common cause.
I only want him for collection purposes, other than that he'll stay at level 1 in my second archive.NP5 Nitocris,NP2 Caster Nero and now Anatasia has me covered for AOE Casters. I'll make servants work if I like the character but I can't with Sieg. Maybe someone else will use him.
Please first play the event before making any clear ultimatums, the Apo event legitimately gave Sieg a ton of much needed character development that has made him a much better character in many people's eyes. If afterwards you still dislike him then that's alright too but I'd recommend giving him at least the one chance.
I won't speak for everyone but I have a NP4 Beowulf who's been at level 1 since my first year of playing but I have NP3 9/9/9 Penth & NP5 9/9/9 Atalanta because I like their character. Medusa & Bedi are leveled for the same reason, rarity doesn't matter.
@@VetoShizu I get that, though I personally have ALL of my Servants leveled (Day 1 player privilege). Me personally I've never really cared about Atalanta either in Apo or Fgo (she was okay in LB1) and I only really use my own Pent for her buffs (I'd rather use my np4 Ibaraki since she's my favorite waifu) whereas I really like Beowulf since he was my first good st Berserker and really saved my ass during the months before Ibaraki's debut.
I prioritize servants I like over the ones I hate so it's likely Sieg will never see 1 ember on my account lol. Banana Oni is pretty good so can't blame you on that one. I honestly doubt the event will change my mind since the only servants from Apocrypha I cared for were Astolfo & Mordred, the saviors of that anime for me. Atalanta I didn't care for until FGO and as I said in my original comment Nitocris (the reason I started FGO) has me covered.
Sieg for the win mate! Best and most refined character of Apocrypha. 👌 Excellent F2P option for what constitutes 85% of this game - very nice. I have NP2 Caster Umu, but a great farming Arts Caster will be welcomed without hesitation and Tamamo will be a great compliment here.
After finally watching all of Fate/Apocrypha for the first time a while back, I'm really happy and excited to be able to have Sieg later on, and him being Arts makes the deal even sweeter, thankfully I have a decent bulk of Arts support to make him as strong as I, hopefully can, make him to be.
This guy's totally gonna get added to my arts team. I already use Andersen, Caster Gil, and my friends op Tam to make everything assassin related ez mode, this guy will make it even easier, since now ill have some actual damage.
IMO NP charge > NP gain > Arts boost. Having the charge + gain maxed first greatly stabilizes farming while the arts boost mostly comes in handy in wiping out a hard 3rd wave or to help wipe turn 2 if you need extra np gain. It's not the highest priority if you're farming... Though i suppose it depends on what units you have.
Even if you don't like him and don't hava any intention to lvl him up don't burn him. Now in JP Welfare servant give Rare prism i you already 5 copies of the welfare. And for F2P they are very rare so don't burn him and in two years you will have 5 RP
It’s honestly hilarious people are boasting about wanting to burn Sieg yet are actually forgoing future free rare prisms due to this. Even if he wasn’t one of the best Arts based NP loopers(and farmer by extension), it’s kind of hilarious.
I intend to put him with Jeanne and grail him; Not just out of spite, but because I think she'll be good at keeping hm alive alongside Mash. Plus I can also put Tamamo in to heal him as well.
So I dropped Apocrypha halfway through, so I didn’t have to deal with whatever bullshit everyone had to go through with Sieg that made them despise him lol. So I guess he’s safe from the second archive/burning haha. More seriously, I’ll probably get a lot of use put of him. I do have Caster Nero, Nitocris, and an NP 2 Nursery Rhyme, but if he’s as good as an NP looper as you say he is then he’s probably a better option than them for more efficient farming.
Battle in New York is the next lotto. Sieg/Jeanne Archer(lol the irony), para, waver, waver is the usual comp. It's a 5 slot, 3 turn comp that allows sieg/Jeanne to loop and hit two waves. Essentially, don't burn this guy. If you have a waver /skadi on your account, you essentially have a 3 turn comp to farm the lotto to the max. Edit: IT WORKS ON ALL LOTTO NODES IN GILFEST. Seriously, wait before burning him.
Let's see if cardboard kun is slightly more tolerable than in apocrypha ,Honestly he was the weakest link especially once they focused on the relationship with Jeanne ( surprisingly enough I was fine with his and astolfo's relationship in the series just the jeanne parts made me want to commit personal lobotomy by spoon.)
I really need a farming caster after completely maxing out Helena(Bond 10 included) and CasGil is nearly Bond 10 as wel, so Sieg will be an excellent addition to my team.
Aside from the bitchin np, sieg... I'll max out but i don't need a farming caster. Anastasia already has that locked down, sieg most likely will be benched until I get around to ascending him. That said, looking forward to the fate Apocrypha event! It was the anime that got me into the Fate series so the anime will hold a sentimental place aside from quality of the anime, I'm happy it got me into the series
Surprised you didn’t mention that his girlfriend can help Arts chain and provide the survivability that he lacks. Not crazy about Sieg’s kit but I’ll definitely use him for that NP alone
Uhuh, he's not useful early game? lol, i got him when i was at level 40 in jp servers and he's still carrying me through the easier main quests due to me completing the apoc event instead of the main story.
Good review, I definitely will get him NP5 lvl80 as every welfare servant, but don't think that I'll use him much, I have Nero Caster & Nitocris, so I don't see him in any of my farming teams atm.
It is worth it to invest in Sieg, he is your only loop farming caster until Murasaki. But even then Murasaki is a premium unit, and you need her at NP2+ to reliably tri-loop more tanky mob.
even though i already have nero caster, cas gil, and scheherazade for aoe casters im still looking forward to getting him, he’s cute and he turns into a dragon in his np, that’s all that matters. plus arts loop memes lol
Merlin with sieg is broken. His survivable is amazing. With merlin’s skill, he gets his np gauge up and gets a significant health boost. With merlin’s invincible, they can survive a np attack to continue np looping. And with merlins np, it will become a cycle of np spamming the longer the fight continues which is absolutely amazing. Plus depending on your master equip, it gets even better. Just the base mystic code: chaldea allows for one evade (use it to defend against a np, while merlins skill cool down) and then you have first aid to give someone the health needed until Merlin’s skill/np get to work
I personally would have put him a rank higher, Sieg is kinda like the Rider Kintoki of the AoE Servants, he only has one real niche to use, his kit is horrendously selfish and he lacks any true survivability but my god does that one application give him such vast amounts of usage that he can easily become anyone's MVP when used properly. Overall, excellent review though. All the points you made were well executed SoberOni
Thanks for the info. I was saving up quartz for the Apocrypha event because I wanted Achilles as a farmer, but I rather roll for Xuanzang. ...not that it stopped me from a 30 quartz roll an hour before this video was published, bringing her and three Go West CEs to my lineup, hahaha. Still, thanks for the info. I love casters, so it's a win-win. I'll save for summer now.
Its kind of sad tbh. I started JP after their rerun of this event 😅. Idk if I want to go full JP since I started NA last month and I don't know if I can play two FGOs while dealing with school. Maybe I'll just do both and hope I can manage. I really want the welfares but at the same time that may just be because I want them and not need them.
Bruh I already have several farming casters but I’ve been excited to get Sieg Cuz he can spam his NP without Tamamo (which is good cuz I don’t have her or bride Umu) Also he’s just a lil dork and I love it XD
I know this video is about Sieg but ... I have to admit my mistake, about Hokusai His skill of diminishing the defense of the enemy is incredibly powerful You were totally right to give it priority, I take off my hat at your words XD
Sieg seems like budget Anastasia. Not as strong or as versatile as her, but has no problem NP Looping. Not as self-sufficient as Nitocris, but in the right set-ups he can clear 3 waves instead of 2. As far as 4 star utility goes, I think he ranks comfortably below Nitocris, but above other AoE Farming casters, for the most part. Nursery Rhyme does have an Arts Crit niche but I don't know what you're doing that for other than liking Rhyme.
He's my premiere 3T caster servant ever since I got him in JP. Pair him up with Paracelsus, Tamamo, and a suitable Mystic code (or Waver/any arts support) and he'll be clearing assassin waves easily. Not good when trying to 3T against berserkers though, for obvious reasons.
I think I would rate cardboard-kun an A-, but that is probably because I am a GSSR Only that needs an arts looper. So, I think the description of his use case spot on, I just value that niche more.
Still didn't watched the video. I am trully interested in your opinion. I really, really hope they redeem cardboard-kun, as i don't mind him getting with Jeanne if he just was a better character. In the anime i just hated how everything was handled to him and how everytime he loses, it was just to win a power up.
@@Lord_Mori same, or at least hoping that he died using that suicidal np. but somehow he survived that to and turned into a dragon................................................... HOW THE HELL DID HE BEAT KARNA, I HATE HIM SOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!
My major problems where "Getting beaten up so Siegfried boi kills himself to give him a power up. Frankenstein suiciding herself and he getting fixed because sparks and getting Frankenstein powers. Astolfo's master getting killed and him beaten by mordred just to have Astolfo has his servant... I can asure, everytime Sieg loses, a power up is turning the corner.
@@gdog1ful Tbh Karna losing was appropriate, given that he died in his myth after his own plot armor was literally taken away from him by Arjuna's dad. Karna is just destined to die against MCs I guess.
I think we can add gilgamesh caster too. Why, add crit drop, add damage with charisma, add art damage, plus with np defense down, he's well go with casgil.
Jason willums 18 if you want to add more damage for sieg attack and art card, yes. And I just realize this, if we get strenght quest for hans, he can provide crit star a lot and make sieg more powerful.
Also something for people who are reading the comments to realize: There aren't that many AoE casters, especially ones that can NP loop. The only other servant apart from the recently released Anastasia is Murasaki Shikibu (who is releasing NEXT YEAR and she's SSR). Murasaki is Anti Demon niche and without it she deals less damage NP wise at NP1 compared to NP5 Sieg. So you're looking at a free Servant you can NP5 or an SSR who is hard to get an increase NP. I'm not a fan of Sieg or his kit but I can't deny that he's a rarity in his niche and in his class and he is undeniably an asset for farming to those who can fully use him. Just a TED talk about not burning him.
Free cardboard caster farmer in case of assassin waves. I'm already not a big fan of him from the anime but welfare servants after Caster Liz are usually good for something and Sieg can at least fill some role, not to mention so long as you attend their event you can easily get them to NP5 for massive damage (and he just so happens to be best at spamming his own NPs). At the very least he's worth picking up so Helena doesn't get too many bond points from Exp Hand Farming or anywhere a caster would be helpful. However, most farming areas I feel just need a servant you enjoy using, single target NP or otherwise, Edison isn't the best for farming but he satisfies the role of caster with character.
Well since he's good and all i'll just use him as the tool he is meant to be instead of putting him in the second archive, at least he can make himself useful for farming.
