I honestly think we are giving the rouge nation too much credit for their weapons technology, if their radar can be flown under and their targeting systems can’t tell the difference between the jet infront of it and the terrain around it, then I don’t think they got missiles that have proxy fuses, also why are flares working this effectively, don’t missile currently have ways to tell the difference between a flare and the actual engine
I mean it’s an F-14 old ass aircraft and the missiles maybe older Edit: im talking about how old the missile is not the technology, tell me will a missile work if its been sitting for 20 years not maintained. Edit: 40 years.
@@YarAresмне препод говорил, с хорошим двигателем и табуретка полетит 😂 ох как он был прав если тяговооруженность больше 5 то вообще пофиг есть планер или нет 😂
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Nothing new! Look up the X31 that could already do that back in the 80s. Thrust vectoring is old tech, F22 has it. Even the LEM had a gimbled engine back in 68!
@@TinPanMan_REAL Its really not that hard of a maneuver, the thing that makes it rare is how demanding of a maneuver it is. You need certain amounts of lift to be generated in a turn, certain energy retention, etc. The reason why you see Russian fighters do this all the time is because of their design philosophy. America thinks that to design a new and effective aircraft you need great radar, be able to carry a big payload, use modern missiles, be able to carry out a lot of different roles, have a lot of fuel, etc. Russian's, however, try to design super maneuverable aircraft because for some reason they think that dogfights are still a thing. they are not. They died in the vietnam war.
@@leduckified1534Fuel in usa jets???😂😂😂 wtf you about? Russian jets are bigger and have bigger internal fuel tanks. Su-27 has no thrust vectoring and can do all of thats maneuvers. But not only that design is used in Russia. Russia has high speed interceptors with 300+ kilometers range amraams, strategic bombers, attakers and fighterbombers Su-34.
@@krizztykrab2297 he at the start of movie survive explosion at 3 mach, brobably without parachute and close to end he successfully uses flares against rockets with radiolocation and so on, so on. It like if plot armor was his official superpower, like luck in Deadpool.
That maneuver would have made it even easier for the missile to splash it. Yet, apparently, the proximity fuse decided to go on a strike and not to work when the missile passed 5 metres away from the plane.
@lamename8030 jamming the wez doesn't mean he was using trons, missy. Just means he was too close for the missile to track its target by pulling enough g to intercept.
@@ankilo5519 Can you explain to me the fundamentals of how an energy management diagram for a fighter jet is read as well as what information they give to the pilot?
How to defeat missiles IRL: Jinking, notching, drastically reducing altitude, countermeasures How to defeat missiles in movies: do an airshow maneuver that bleeds all your speed, conveniently forget that proximity fuses has existed since WW2
Your absolutely right, but just a reminder that notching only works for Radar missiles, although it could theoretically make an IR missile harder to hit you, but not by much.
😂 Real French pilot told us This manoueuvring allow russian's aircraft to disapear from the missile's guidance..so it's not about movies but This is Real
The funny thing is most of the defining factors of the 5th gen aircraft have been a "collaboration" between US and USSR research. Modern stealth theory was invented by USSR physicist Petr Ufimtsev, but implemented by Americans on the f117, and thrust vectoring was first experimented by Americans on modified f-15s but it was USSR which turned the feature to mass production with the Sukoi line.
Если побольше углубиться в науку ,то можно всего столько интересного откопать в разработках отечественных учённых ,просто у нас сейчас проблема с семейной составляющей ,нужно продвигать в массы и СМИ
There's a similar move done by a p 51 mustang done in WWII. With at least one confirmed kill. The pilot shot the Persuer down on his way past. Full back stick. Full bottom rudder. Torque of the prop turns you over. Nutrilize the rudder. Full forward stick and recover. About 1500 feet below and behind the pursuit aircraft. They'd just disappear.
Если такой маневр получится мустанг останется без энергии и не будет иметь преимущества он будет ниже и рано или поздно снова будет жертвой вертикального боя
Purchase VR helmet+ hotas+rudder pedals and buy any modern aircraft in DCS come through a PvP server..and u Will see how difficult u Can use your gun in this situation....years ago i Would Say the same things like u ..but DCS show u the truth if u don't use as a game..but as a tutorial or Real sim ❤
@@Bryan-cd9clIn DCS if someone is dumb enough to do this maneuver, just make a vertical roll then you will find a target with very low energy stage and altitude.
@@alexchang2712 becoz their idiot. Theres a place and time for it. If ghe other plane chasing you is too far away then theres no point doing thjs move
Y'know what? Hot take: I'm giving the movie the benefit of the doubt. We'll say that missile malfunctioned, that's all well and good, it happens. What's REALLY unforgiveable is that Maverick just watched an enemy pilot bleed all his speed for an aerobatic maneuver that presented him a large flat surface for at least 5 seconds, and NEVER ONCE thought to follow through on that missile with the guns. HE WAS HANDED THAT KILL ON A PLATTER AND INSTEAD JUST CHOSE TO STARE DUMBFOUNDED AS HE OVERSHOT ENTIRELY. The ace pilot of the movie, ladies and gentlemen.
The range was quite close, would be risky to shoot there due to debris And, it's not like this isn't the movie where S-125 does not need radar and fuses on flares, while lacking a fragmentation warhead. Or where Maverick shrugs off a mid-air breakup at hypersonic speeds like it's nothing.
It's crazy, requires great skill and is completely useless because you just turned you aircraft into a giant target(by facing top towards the enemy jet) and lost most of your energy
@@Xirenec_This technique is not completely useless. It can rarely be used, but it is not useless. According to your logic, it turns out that all aerobatics are useless.
You'd have to point your jet right at him though, while he's motionless in the air and you moving at 1-2 machs. Split second reaction that can either work or get yourself killed. If you really wanna take him out then point the jet at him and eject - praying the explosion doesn't kill you too since both jets have fuel + bombs on them.
Su-27 can do it and Su-33 and they don’t have thrust vectoring. You’re pretty much turning the computerized flight control system off. F-14 can do it too bc of no FBW
@verticpc3546 they are the most skilled actually. They have the most flight hours out of any other airforce. Plus the maneuver is useless in a combat situation.
@@lockheedmartinf-22raptor73Idk mate, with many more training hours, yet they are incapable of pulling moves that Russian pilots can do... then either the US pilot training is significantly less efficient, or Americans are just not as talented.
Except it's not. You never see the top profile of the aircraft in the illustrations of the cobra because the cobra is 2 dimensional, unlike this maneuver.
WWII P51D pilot Don Bryan initiated a similar maneuver which he named the vertical inverted reversement. It allowed him to avoid a Luftwaffe fighter which probably saved his life.
Practical or not aside, the original maneuver was so much cleaner than how TP:M producers understood and portrayed it. In TP:M you see the pilot actually doing at least one full unnecessary circle on the yaw axis instead of pointing its nose back onto Maverick ASAP to shoot a missile. It is as if the pilot lost control 😂
The only brakes I know on Sukhoi are the little platform that goes up in the middle of the airplane to reduce aerodynamics ( and speed) or the small parachute that usually is used when landing. I can't see them on this video so... This RU-vidr is wrong!
Don't matter if you have a a Aim 120 when the Russians can shot a Vympel R37M and destroy your jet 200km before you can launch yours 😅 You have ever seen one of those little monsters?
@@Eluxivo the R37 would fail to fire due to poor maintenance and missing internal components, that were sold off by corrupt soldiers. also your having a totally separate conversation then the comment that your responding to.
@@Eluxivo just cause it has a long range doesn't mean it's going to track. The 200km range is for big heavy targets like refuelers, b-52s and AWACs. Firing that missile against a maneuverable fighter and thinking it's gonna it is classic russian copium lmfao
Everyone writing how this doesn't have any combat applications, can we still appreciate how this maneuver looks absolutely amazing? In real life, not just the movie.
You mean the scene where, from the missile's point of view, the plane just stops in mid air right in front of it? And yet, the missile still seems to miss? How could I forget?
not true - Su-57 has same IR blinding system as the combat helicopters - 101KS-O which is mounted in dorsal and ventral positions - if anything this maneuver positioned the drsal 101KS-O emitter perfectly to 'blind' the missile @@HaartieeTRUE
15 апреля 2024 года ушел из жизни выдающийся российский летчик-испытатель Анатолий Квочур. Он освоил и испытал более 90 типов и модификаций летательных аппаратов. Его общий налет превышает 5 000 часов, в т. ч. испытательный налет - свыше 3 500 часов. За карьеру летчика-испытателя установил 11 мировых рекордов по стандартам Международной авиационной федерации, из которых 5 по состоянию на 15 апреля 2024 г. - действующие. Продолжал летать на сверхзвуковых самолетах до 65 лет. 16 апреля ему бы исполнилось 72 года.
You should mention it’s beneficial to do it because it hides the heat from the winder and it’s difficult to determine what way he will go when he pulls out. Plus it’s mostly an Air Show move anyway 😏🖖🏼🇺🇸
west jet or american jets? European jet have incredible maneuverability, unlike american which basically a flying brick who can't survive without the support of awacs
We have an expert here I see If you paid attention to the video you'll have noticed he described the tailslide, that is not the same as a cobra in any way. But even worse is that you say Kvochur's Bell is called the flying leaf, while the flying leaf most definitely isn't an official name for a maneuver, just try looking it up, and the falling leaf which I guess you meant is something wildly different
@Combat_Aviator obvs doesn't have the hammer and sickle but it's what is placed on the red star. Clearly you don't know fighter planes in certain countries 🤣!
@@nickson_2024 The Soviet Union used a red star with white outline for its marking, with the russian federation using the same star with a line of blue added to make the star wit with the Russian flag and colors. Plus MIGs and Sus were exported to many countries, and are the most exported aircraft, by number of buyers, in the world. So that does not mean they are Soviet planes. Plus the SU-57 is the new Russian super-plane so for minor propoganda purposes they want to show a near half-century outdated naval aircraft blow them up with its cannon.
Supermaneuverability was first studied by the US and a swedish jet in the 60s was the first to be Supermaneuverable. Russian have had great minds but the US has technilogical dominance. The F-22 is only rivaled by the F-35.
