Yes, why should we accept that politicians and authorities make a difference between Europe and the USA? Is the American more considerate, more mature to handle more powerful engines on the bikes? The authoritarian people put themselves over us and decide at the same time that they themselves cross the boundaries in one way or another. Is it possibly to milk us for more taxes and insurance money for the companies? Hypocrisy is probably a good word in this context.
@@erik7452 the electric scooters that you stand up on are technically illegal in the UK yet there are companies that offer for rent to the public. The UK really is fucked on the matter. The police threatened to take my ebike that I use for work but I refused to give it to them, I gave them my throttle instead so I could be on my way and just put another one on the day after
@@manoz6194 well done for not allowing yourself to be bullied by the UK cops 👏👍 In my area they can't be bothered to go after the numerable balaclava wearing stolen Surron riders that whizz around the streets amongst the pedestrians, but they will stop and harrass a high-viz clad man on his scooter doing 8mph on his way to work 🤬🤷♂️
I just received my T1 pro and took it for my first run did 26 miles had a great time bike is strong and gives you confidence when riding above the 20 mph speeds ! can see this being my new camping transport vehicle five ⭐️ (update) Been four months now covered 312miles so far and I’m certainly not cutting my throttle, I’ve never been stopped once, did have a police officer tell me the bike looked cool though. In short if you don’t ride it like a plonker you can comfortably de restrict the bike and use the throttle as and when you need.
My first ever real job, was as relief postman for the summer of 1977. I had a post office issue bike with a front basket attached to the frame! I’ll never forget the advice from or of the full time posties…….. Remember not to follow the basket! Bought one of these today. Assembling tomorrow! Can’t wait!
I got the T1, as well as the M21 & Q1S, & love them all for different reasons, if any of you are on the fence about buying a Fiido, DO IT, you won't regret it.
Next week im buying a T1 pro, im so excited. Good for going to work, have some groceries, and want some long trips a few times (50-60 km) Cant wait! :)
I don't think you need to apologize- the people selling this should make people aware of this when you buy it - but well done for putting the note out there anyway 👏
This is what I really appreciate about all of your videos. Not only are they well filmed, informative and wonderfully relaxing (in a world of loud youtube content creators!), but if you spot something you aren't happy with, you immediately either pull or alter the video and admit you made an error. I wish more people were like you. Keep up the great work.
I’ve traveled to Great Britain several times, enjoyed my visits immensely, and plan on returning. I just wish it wasn’t such a nanny state. Love the videos. Thanks
I watched this sat next to a retired police officer, and he said the amount of kids riding around at night on these scooters with no lights on and on the path , as long as you were not acting like a complete knob on your bike , the police wouldn’t bother you on it
That’s good to know me and the wife have ordered 1 each, she was worried about getting stoped we live out in country so we don’t see many police Iv told her they not to worry
Thank you for the update, Simon! I know you always strive to share as honest and up-to-date information in all of your posts as is feasible and I appreciate that about you. I hope that authorities agree with you and have far more pressing issues to attend to that they will NOT harass you about your ebike. Take care and be safe! Looking forward to more of your adventures! 👍👍🧡🧡😊😊🙏🙏
Like the update, and now we know you are going to do another ride to show the power cutback version... in USA many places require helmets for bicycles Anyway, lights and so on also...it should have probably mounted with the moped required lights and whatever legal. I am curious about the motor action if you were to switch to all motor. You might wish you hadn't cut the throttle control off. Would the throttle have been legal on the bike if it was only for trail use? A rack on the back of Landrover for getting to trails?
Too bad that you had to make the adjustments to the bike. Riding the bike to campsite will be a treat for you and we know you’ll always be smiling as you feel the breeze in your face as you head to camp. All our best, Skillet
I've been researching this myself. Fido EU have some nice-looking bikes, but most are illegal here in the UK. In my area, 3 ebike riders were prosecuted last week. It's not a simple slap on the wrist fine, either. It's riding without a helmet, riding without insurance, operating an unregistered vehicle on the road, etc., and all resulted in actual driving bans. This means you can lose your 'other' means of transport too, probably suffer highly inflated insurance premiums etc. in the future as you will have to disclose a traffic prosecution, driving without insurance, etc. I was tempted to do the same and asked fido if the throttle could be removed (no response), but given the severity of the possible punishment...
I have an e-bike in the states. It was detuned from 1000 watts to 500. I reversed it. That is done by unhooking one wire (already in there) from the controller and hooking up another. Yours is undoubtedly the same. Look inside and check online. You would benefit from the upgrade and the police won't know. Also, the restrictions you mentioned probably do not apply in the woods or on private property. That looks like a VERY nice bike.
So, if they are not legal to be used in the UK in a brand new as purchased condition, then surely any company selling one is in breech of the sale of goods act?
Hey Simon you make really awesome Reviews. And testing that Stuff pretty well. Like many have said, better than many tv shows. Especially the Facts , Miles and, Speeds , Loadout weights. Hope you stay sharp and bring us more from this amazing Survival Travel Bushcraft Style of Content. My biggest wish would be you would become the Fiido Titan with 400 Km Range for a Test ! This E-Bike, when reliable, will be the Game Changer for every Nature Enthusiast. 💪👍
Shame you felt the need to remove the throttle. I have 2 Fiido D2S bikes and one of the key features I wanted was a throttle to aid with pulling away . The police are never in a million years going to bother people using them, they may use scaremongering through social media etc to put people off but they simply haven't the time to police it. Last summer we used them so much when out in our campervan going to surrounding places and seeing places we wouldn't normally see. Really liked both videos look forward to future episodes
Actually the police are looking at illegal e-bikes though it seems it’s mostly around delivery riders in cities. Having said that they’ll quickly become aware of the models that aren’t compliant & if you’re riding on the road with one you’ll have a greater chance of them taking an interest
@@hughmarcus1 it's still a very grey area as you can have a throttle to assist you upto 6mph so unless people are silly enough to go past the police doing 15+mph then no reason to get stopped. Hopefully if the rumour about allowing throttle upto 15mph and upto 500w motors becomes legal next year then those people who worry about it won't have to.
I didn't know these bikes had a 750 watt motor reduced electronically down to 250 Watts . I live in the USA so I will take a second look at this bike on RU-vid from American reviewers . Thanks for pointing out this information
Simon, we always look forward to your videos as you combine information and entertainment in a down to earth manner. Pleased to see you wearing your cycle helmet - unlike someone else who has an e-bike! However -" has the look of a paratrooper bike" - nooooo it has a shopping basket on the front!! Enjoy anyway, Sue.
Simon. I had the same problem with mounting my Ortlieb panniers to my Reise and Muller Load 75. I found that rather than putting extra weight on the bike, get some 15mm copper tubing and attach it to back frame. I did mine either tightly wound strips of rubber. The mod I did is still attached to the bike and so far has lasted me 5000 miles with no bother at all. Regards from King’s Lynn
darn!!!! "Simon a bloke running from the authorities on his Ebike" might have been an awesome channel - at least for one video anyway. Sigh, however, we will never know. Glad you're legal now mate. Would have been an interesting scenario if you'd found out after you were stopped by the constable. Looking forward to the "slower" Simon a bloke in the woods on his Ebike.
UK legislation does allow a throttle up to 6 km/h (3.7 mph). This is commonly known as "walk assist", and was intended for walking a bike uphill. "Walks Assist" was commonly made available as a simple button with speeds controlled by changing gears. Using a throttle for walk assist is becoming more popular because it give you a simple way of initially accelerating.
the ultra silly part is a throttle is actually SAFER the idiots who made throttles illegal did so under the notion that pedal assist just helps you out a little the harder you pedal the more if gives you a push thats not how it works there are a few bikes that do indeed do this they use torque sensors but those cost too much for most ebikes so the rest have cadence sensors which just care that the pedals are turning they then dump full power for the mode your in you could pedal at 1 rpm and the motor is going to give you full power 15mph the pedaling portion is redundant then there's the fact that whilst trying to pedal slowly your bike is jolting full power on and off as your coasting and giving the odd pedal to push a little bit finally throttle is actually safer if your using the roads because it gives you immediate ready to go movement without needing to set pedals and push off and change through gears so instead of smooth throttles where you decide the power we have novelty throttles that require you clown pedal and then get whomped with full power with no adjustability beyond the 3-5 settings the controller gives
@@Sarge92 It is safer. I use the throttle to get me going to about 6MPH before I could use pedal assist where it would be a smooth and comfy ride. Like what, I am not forcing the traffic to stop cause my pedal assist has a major delay, it is also safer in places were pedestrians tend to be walking across as you have better control over the bike unlike with a pedal assist only situation. Thankfully there are bikes that have little delay but my bike was a tad cheaper so I had to make do. By the way, all the assist levels are the same level of thrust only that it is more delayed which may cause an accident, at least on my bike. Twisting the throttle a few times to get going is much better than only pedal assist as that seizes my ability to stop in time, especially when a ped crosses the road without looking or due care.
@@Sarge92 totally agree with you! I have this bike for 3 months and I was falling few times riding it in snowy conditions. I was avoiding the throttle since is 'illegal' and when start pedalling the full power kicks in, comparing with using the throttle where you can control the electric power more precise
Hey Simon. Kudos to you mate. What I find brilliant about your videos is how honest you are. You showed the same with the water filter and even the tea lights in that power outage grab box. When I saw you hack sawing off the throttle I thought NO, but of course you did the right thing. And a very neat job with the silicone too.
I can't scoot along like that on the throttle assist...mine does 4mph tops with an ordinary sized person, with my heavy butt and all my gear, it'll be greatly reduced and is only useful as an aid to get the bike moving in order for the pedal assist to kick in. 15.5mph...I'm happy with 10mph. I remember doing 37mph downhill on a racer and the speed wobble was scary. At 58 years old, it isn't the speed, but the ability to get there safely and the journey's sights
The UK e-bike rules are similar to ours in Australia. Up to 250 watts - OK, no throttle over 200 watts, anything over 250w to be registered, insured etc. A 750 watt motor governed to 250w ? Don't think that would pass the test here - the cops look for stamped 250 watts on the motor cover. The cops don't seem to know about battery volts though so the 48v would get past them and provide an extra boost. There has been some daft commentary here about allowing larger motors but setting an overall speed limit for e-bikes. 750 watt motor but bike the subject of a 25 kph speed limit? ! Most bikes with a reasonably fit rider and no motor easily go faster than that along the flat and certainly downhill so I wouldn't like to see that. Looking forward to your upcoming videos, especially now spring is in the air up there.
Yeah. Reading the uk gov site. It says anything with over 250w is illegal for use on UK roads and is classed as a motor vehicle.. needs to be labelled as 250w having the 750 w label and ‘restricted’ to 250w electronically will not fly… as the Australian commenter says the police will see the 750w badge and say it is not compliant. You would need a letter of compliance to prove it falls under uk e-bike rules.
the 250W restriction is a bit of a walk around by the manufacturers, by the letter of the law the motor needs to display a 250W marking on it, but this is nominal value (whatever the manufacturer wants really) . Most completely legal pedal assist e-bikes in the UK have 400-750W motors in them with a "250W" sticker
I really do like this bike! The way it looks, how much it can hold and the heavy-duty battery that gets you unbelievable distance in the colder month's. Just gutted it had its throttle removed 😔Cheers Simon 🍻
It's such a strange "quirk" of the law that you can use pedal assist to ride at 15mph, but using a throttle to go the EXACT SAME speed is illegal.... I would understand using a throttle to go 60mph, but in this case it seems to make very little difference to the safety of the bike as far as I can tell. Regarding the bike. I don't usually like this sort of bike, but this thing has a pretty cool "utilitarian" vibe that I kinda dig. I'm not convinced by the alloy wheels, as I have no experience with them and there may be a reason more companies don't do it, but I'm sure they'll be sturdy! The only thing it needs is tyres with a bit more bite!
I was interested to see you have removed the thumb throttle from your bike. My first Ebike had a thumb throttle but the speed when using it was limited to 4mph. It was very handy to get going when mounting the bike. If I had been you I would have left the throttle in place. The chance of you ever being challenged by the boys in blue are vanishingly small. They can't even respond to fairly serious crimes these days. I look forward to seeing your future adventures on the bike.
I agree, the throttle and speed limits in England are pretty harsh. Where I live in the states the speed limit is 28 mph with throttle only and it is still a bicycle.
On the issue of throttles. I'm from Australia with pretty much the same regulations... what I've found quite hilarious with my own ebike is that the maximum peddle assist mode is several orders of magnitude more powerful than throttle alone. Throttle does about 17km/h, max assist does about 25-27km/h (the legal limit for ebikes here). So really, just doing what I call 'fake peddling' (peddling slower than the speed of the motor) is already more effective than throttle. Yet that's considered 'legal'. And it's still just a 250w motor. My 'foil hat' thinking is that they couldn't possibly let the plebs get a whiff of freedom and then lose out on motor vehicle taxes etc.
The Police won’t batter a eye lid at one these it’s only really the big Surron like bikes and e-scooters that grab their attention. If your under 500w and not going obviously quicker than a bicycle turning the peddles being sensible you be fine and will probably never get stopped because you just blend in with normal bikes.
it could all be done in software , no need to hack up a nice bike , it could have had an on road mode and an off-road mode to allow use of the higher power and throttle in cross country tracks .
It's a pity we can't have the higher power and throttle option on these bikes in the UK without the need of the extra licencing etc. I think Ebikes and normal bikes are a fantastic way to get to camp
@@marks-0-0 meanwhile people go round doing what they like on e scooters.. Let's not also forget you can easily hit 30mph under pedal power, no difference really. Just out of touch law makers making up nanny state rules for the rest of the sheeple to follow. In my opinion the e bike rules need serious updating. Minimum 500w motors allowed and 20mph throttle. That's my tuppence anyway and I've been riding ebikes for quite a few years now. Remember just because some out of touch person makes rules doesn't mean they know what's best either..
Great to see another e bike camper ,ive got a very similar powerd folding bike love it no more carrying heavy backpacks .im leaving mine as it is love the power im sensible on buisy roads and ride very slow and courteous past people on pathways and always weat my helmet.its the scooters that are illegal not ebikes and scooters arnt botherd by police.im sure the neighdowers will disagree, but they winge about everything dont they.enjoy the bike simon maybe do a double ebike camp with andy.👍
I have noticed variations in battery cells used on the Fiido T1. Oriinally some of the batteries used 2170 cells. In the video here you have 18650 (2900mAh) cells. My T1 was an early bird, it uses 18650 (2600mAhr) cells. There is about 2500 miles on it. So far so good with regard to degradation.
Mobility scooters have a throttle and they're okay, I personally class my e-bike as a 2 wheeled mobility scooter with pedals. Had mine for 2 years now no issues at all :)
My elderly friends first motorbike when he wasnt even 18yo was a Triumph Bonneville with 600HP, oh an Simon that regulation was an EU/Brussels dictat and doesnt apply to private property or travelling fyi ;)
Hi Simon, Thanks so much for the update, that all makes a lot of sense. I have an e-mountainbike and love taking it out in the woods and hills. Your eBike looks very sturdy and well up to the task. Also very affordable compared to some other ebikes. I notice the saddle also has some suspension which is ideal on a hardtail bike.
I was going to mention that. The law really is an ass. Gently pedaling will make the motor kick in. Pedaling hard gives you the same power as having the throttle and pedaling hard. The throttle merely provides convenience. It seems to me to be one of those situation where the law is decided by people who have never even ridden a bicycle, let alone an ebike. In the country where I live, the throttle is allowed, thankfully, and probably accounts for the very high numbers of ebike riders.
pedal sensor requirement was passed by lawmakers who think pedal assist means the harder you pedal the harder it powers you there's only 1 system that does this which is torque sensors and no one uses them aside from a small handfull of companies the rest use cadence sensors which just care that the pedals are moving at all
How do you accelerate once the throttle is gone? In the early part of this video you adroitly snipped and plugged the thumb throttle, but it reappears subsequently. You up front mentioned using previous footage. Great homage to the paratrooper bikes. I also thought it featured strongly after them.
@@kevindblew6822 you pedal and the bike whomps you with full throttle basically the bike now has 5 speed modes each triggered at there full power by the pedals moving which is clearly safer than a throttle which allows near infinite amount of power choice and control over acceleration rates I've had it happen many times where ill go to adjust pedal position whilst coasting slowly but turn the pedals just enough to trigger the pedal assist and send the bike flying along at full throttle for 2-5 seconds until the controller cuts power from me not pedaling banning throttles is the dumbest restriction they placed
@@kevindblew6822 There are sensors on the pedals. When you start to pedal, the motor kicks in, but at full power. The throttle allows you some degree of control.
I ordered one last Saturday, March 11th and the cost for me was shown to be $1499 Canadian after a $200 voucher but I just saw now that they charged me $2083 plus $34 in transaction fees. Do you have any knowledge of that because I can't even get a hold of them
I didn't know you were a carpenter by trade, but building your own canoo should have told me! I am a tradesman too of sorts, and I bought an ebike, I thought I could transport tools in a box on a trailer! Haha. I can if the road is flat but I live in a hilly area, so that was a fail. You can buy disc locks that have motion sensor alarms, good for camping because its quite a high pitched noise, though cover it when it rains because even the rain will set it off. Maybe you could get one of those rugged mono wheel trailers and review that for camping too
I was thinking the same a separate video with a trailer 100 kilos onboard on a long trip . Great job on the videos , thanks a lot I was looking into this bike myself and you are the only one who has done review on this bike . 👍
@@bobanzikic779 I now think it is possible to build a trailer, aluminium box section drilled and bolted together, buy a small shock absorber and find a wheel from a childs bike. If it is 1M long it can have a flexible solar panel as a cover, this will enable a spare battery to be charged a little bit on the way
The " Bloke in the Woods" is now compliant on his e bike, well done Simon, that's what we like. No more throttle to make it lawfull, because if you got nicked, that would be awful. 👍😏
Crazy how the rules are different over there in England, having to remove the throttle & adding turn signals & license,seems like it’d take all the fun out of your E-bike. Another great honest vid Simon! & I know y’all call it the U.K. 🤷♂️
Unfortunately it's not just the UK. I live on Reunion island and as we are part of the France/EU we also have the same restrictions as the UK. It sucks.
actually the turn signals and moped registration are for msva which upgrades your bike to 1000w+ with a top speed for 24mph just to have the throttle you actually need type certification which gets you throttle allowance but the manufacturer has to apply for this
The throttle to be is weird as even with having it the bike can't go beyond the adjusted speed limit without modifying the bike to go faster. Yet the turn signal requirement to me makes alot of sense since honestly if you are going at speed even if 25 mph having to remove your hand to signal a turn or lane change could be pretty dangerous, but having a turn signal indicator is safer an also something drivers are used to needing to see more than hand signals.
Hopefully, the police will be too busy focusing on real criminals like- I dunno- rapists, murderers, burglars etc....... I'm a shift manager and recently some lads stole an e-bike, one night from the bike shed in work. I rang the police gave them all the details and told them we had CCTV footage. Nothing!!!! No follow up of any sort what so ever.
... but, you know, these criminals, well they are so frightfully ... criminal 😮 Much safer to bugger well behaved, responsebly driving everyday people isn't it 😑 🖖🏻
A UK throttle IS legal if it is limited to 6 kph, or 4 mph, as it usually is on a bike with a cadence (speed) sensor. You can use it in 'walk assist mode' to help you push the bike up steps or a steep hill, for example. It also assists in getting off the mark until the sensor kicks in and starts giving you power, which can take up to two or three turns of the pedals. Edit; I don't actually know if the T1 Pro has a cadence sensor, as opposed to a torque sensor (which is much better), but the (stupid 🤬) law is the same in both cases.
Brilliant video Simon, and very nice bike I own a fiido L3 which is more a tarmac travel bike, the build quality is very good, I notice it has the same computer on it as mine, I usually drive it in a3 and unlocked by holding the 2 buttons till it blinks then up down up on the buttons, mines a 350w motor and gets 20mph, yours be getting 40+, safe journey 👍
This comment by Simon does not refer to all ebikes, just his. I decided to research a folding ebike to use off-road in Norfolk, UK. But when I saw what Simon had done I thought maybe an ebike for off road use is not for me. But his machine is 750 watts and has power to propel the bike without pedalling. This means it is classed as a road vehicle. Must be registered with DVLA, be insured and more. But buy an ebike with only 250 watts in UK only with power assist whilst pedalling and you are good to go.
Rack mount. I used pipe mounts one for rack one for a 10mil tube I mounted to accept bag clip. Bolted together so you have two tubes the thinner outer one for bag.
We’ll done Simon. Worth pointing out. A bit drastic actually cutting the lever off! 🤭. Btw, I emailed you my canoe/camp dates, did you see it? Atb. Paul.
Great video - I'm pretty sure you're vanishingly unlikely to attract untoward police attention, particularly since you'll demonstrably be pedalling any time the motor's kicked in. My own e-bike (bought secondhand) has a much more iffy setup in that there is a toggle button on the handlebars to switch between "EU mode" (throttle active) and "UK mode" (pedal-assist only). Since it was originally bought in the UK, I can only assume that's somehow legal.
Your subservience to the law is both admirable and disgusting at the same time. My philosophy with my throttle equipped, overpowered bike facing similar regulation here in the US is to say, " the unjust law. If the police ever stop me and care, I'll worry about it then."
A great looking e-bike! Too bad that you had to circumcise it 😊 to satisfy British law concerning unlicensed vehicles. At least you didn't have to castrate it! 🤣🤣🤣 Great video!
