Film Scans can make or break your photos

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When the film scan makes all the difference between a throwaway image and a keeper!
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@jorbin7417 Год назад

Bro had no Fuji in his film

@segzeeman7356 Год назад

Hahaha! Great comment! I initially did’t get it and thought it was a troll. I got it while typing my other comment about a question I had. 👌

@mpk33 Год назад

Ripped off! 🤣🤣🤣

@pushingfilm Год назад

Perfect 😂

@sirvivor_1974 Год назад

Agree 100% I actually believe digitizing yourself is a necessity if you have some ambition in your film photography. No matter how capable a lab technician is, he/she usually doesn´t know your preferences or style. It takes work (and learning) but I really get the results I need.

@pushingfilm Год назад

For sure!

@znipy Год назад

Great video Hashem! I work as a lab technician, and we process hundreds of films every day, and we have to meet the deadlines that we promise to our clients, so sometimes it's quite difficult to spend a lot of time on each photo. The scanner I use at work (SP-3000) does a great job most of the time, but it can also misinterpret images and deliver mediocre results if not used properly. On the other hand, I also digitize my negatives at home using the Negative Supply kit (and the EFH before) and it's true: I get amazing results, sometimes better than what I get at work, but it takes much longer, and Most importantly, since I took the photo, I know how I want the final image to look. A tip for all those who leave the task of processing their rolls to a lab: create a close relationship. It is the only way to achieve results that leave you satisfied, and also to know the limitations of said lab. Finally, if you have the time, it is always best to process the photos yourself. Keep in mind that the learning curve is quite steep, but at the same time very rewarding.

@bobdots5974 Год назад

Hy Gonzalo, I used to work in a photo lab back in the glory days of analog and I understand exactly where you are coming from. We used to run off 'proof prints' (half postcard sized prints were called 'super' proofs at 2.5" x 3.5"). The colour balancing and contrast were adjusted at the start of a roll based on a 'typical' negative, but the rest of the images were just run through at speed. After all, these were never considered to be the final product - just a step along the way to that goal. The prices were also very low to reflect that reality, but so many clients wanted to come back and argue about image quality. It was clear that they were presenting these prints to their customers as if they were individually 'hand printed' and with prices set to match that illusion. Times change, but the challenges of commercial photography apparently stay the same...

@rocketgeorg Год назад

Hi Gonzalo, i also work as a lab technician an i can agree with you on all points 😊

@pushingfilm Год назад

Hey! That's exactly right, and probably the reason why pro-labs offer different "grades" of scanning where they might spend increased time on a roll; perhaps even including custom post-processing profiles. I agree with your other points also, there are always certain images that deserve a bit of extra attention. I usually treat simple lab scans as "proofs", depending on the intended purpose of course.

@AlexOnStreets Год назад

Watching this as I'm scanning.. (these days when am I ever not) and it such a difference to do these things yourself. Truely most labs don't know or care about each individual photo and your exposure intentions behind it. Film really has so much dynamic range.. I know some good labs are out there but I'm not letting someone else make these decisions for me. I payed for the film, went somewhere to shoot, found the moment, dialed in the settings, took the shot, developed.. why let the most crucial (digital) part go to someone in a rush to get to the next customer. Great topic Hash. And good thing you are reviving such beautiful photos.

@pushingfilm Год назад

Thanks Alex! Yeah, I find that with 35mm black and white it's so easy to get a good scan!

Год назад

For me DIY scanning made the difference between quitting film photography and continuing with it. All my rolls scanned in the lab looked nothing like the stuff I saw on RU-vid. They were dark, green and with loads of contrast. As a "one last try" I bought Negative Lab Pro's test version and rescanned a couple of photos with my Canon 7D. And boy, that made such a huge difference to the colors and overall feel of the photographs. It was night and day. I showed it to the technician at the lab and he couldn't explain it neither. Now I scan everything myself at home and I'm much happier with my results although I still haven't figured out how to get the "airy" look.

@bobdots5974 Год назад

Hey Hashem, your video got me thinking about how many people must end up being 'disappointed' with film thanks to only ever seeing the 'default' scans (either from a lab or self scanned). Scanning should only be considered the first step in digitising a film image - in the same way that I don't think you would seriously expect a great print from a negative in the darkroom, while using a single 'default' setting. Post is where the magic happens when getting the very best from your images. It is where you add your own personal interpretation of the scene you photographed. Learning how to get the most in post is akin to learning how to wet process print your images in a traditional darkroom. It takes time and experience to get the results you really want, but consider that time and effort as an investment and it will reward you endlessly...

@pushingfilm Год назад

For sure! If I was to print that same negative in the darkroom with the same tonal range as the scan, it would still require care and attention to the contrast filters, and maybe some dodging/burning.

@flyingo 8 месяцев назад

Before the digital age, back when you’d get your negatives and prints from a lab, I frequently was dissatisfied with many of the prints. Going through them and re-printing a few favorite negatives with my enlarger setup proved wonderful. Now, with scanning being an important factor in any and all photography work, I am an advocate of doing as much of the process yourself as possible. It’s the only way to achieve what you had in mind when pressing the shutter release in the first place. Great channel by the way!

@pushingfilm 8 месяцев назад

That's true! Thank you 🙂

@lMlusashi 3 месяца назад

Great video. Just decided to invest in a home scanning set up and I’m excited to have some more control and also rescan some old negatives

@pushingfilm 3 месяца назад

Glad to hear it!

@adamevans1989 Год назад

I recently rescanned all my stuff shot from 2010 to 2013 and it was amazing how bad the lab scans were compared to the new scans I made.

@pushingfilm Год назад

Nice!

@EstebanFonsecaAR Год назад

Another pro tip I've just recently found: Set your camera to silent shutter, this makes the result noticeably sharper, at least with my Sony A7, and scanning setup. I was getting lots of vibration from the shutter.

@pushingfilm Год назад

Good tip!

@calinj4121 Год назад

great video, really enjoyed this! this is the exact reason I started scanning at home a while ago. I was never fully satisfied with lab scans

@pushingfilm Год назад

Thanks! Yeah it can be a game changer

@didiMao Год назад

that b roll of hashem as a lab tech :P

@bebox7 Год назад

Well done on the video this is such an important topic for people to know. I bought my own Frontier that I got cheap back in the day as I was sick of getting back scans that weren't right. I used to get back rolls and be so disappointed I had done something wrong or the colours were way off. Then you realise that the Frontier (or Noritsu etc) is only as good as the operator. It can pump out very quick auto-everything scans or you can carefully set your personal preferences in the admin section and scan each frame one at a time. I was recently in Seoul and got about 30 rolls dev and scanned there to avoid bringing them back through multiple Xray machines. The scans on the same Frontier as mine were night and day compared to when I rescanned them all when I got back home with my settings. If I didn't have the experience to know what was going on I would have been so disappointed with the results and started blaming the myself, the film, the camera, the dev quality etc.

@pushingfilm Год назад

So true! There's so much room for variability, and the colours you can get from frontiers are one of a kind

@kiddeq Год назад

Good points about rescanning. I was hoping you’d talk about what you do differently when doing your own rescanning. In particular, how you handle the digital capture for the proper exposure and the histogram. I find that my histogram looks good in the camera but winds up bunched to the left on import into Lightroom.

@segzeeman7356 Год назад

I concur. I was hoping he’d talk about what he did to get the mountain back. I’m thinking maybe he had to watch the histogram on his 5D? Also, I know that getting enough/ proper exposure onto the negative above the light table is crucial, so yeah I’m curious about his process.

@pushingfilm Год назад

Hey! I have separate videos that go over my process including exposure in camera, but admittedly didn't show the detail of this particular type of scan. The histogram B-roll shown in this video wasn't actually for that frame. In all honesty though, getting the mountain back really wasn't hard and was just a simple single-shot capture. I then used negative lab pro and played with the contrast settings. Almost any digital camera can capture more dynamic range than you need to get all the info out of a film negative. The histogram ends up evenly distributed without hitting either of the sides. But, I could do a more in-depth video about exposure for scanning in the future!

@kiddeq Год назад

@@pushingfilm Thanks for your response. I would like to see a video on that topic.

@lombardy3274 Год назад

I've had the same problems with lab scans. It's much better to take control of the entire post processing pipeline (scanning, converting and editing). Having the lab scan your film is like having someone else convert your digital raw files and restricting you to working on jpeg files!

@pushingfilm Год назад

Agreed. I often like having lab scans when possible/affordable, and then also the option of rescanning myself for desired frames.

@erivera1993 Год назад

I recently started scanning my own film there was this one time I wasn’t pleased with my typical lab scans time to rescan that roll

@doozledumbler5393 Год назад

Home scans are the best. The only thing that bugged me was the time it took to get rid of dust specks from the scan. But they have a plugin for Photoshop that I swear is nearly as good as ICE so I see no reason to get lab scans anymore. Plus lab scans are always too contrasty and I don't really like that look.

@maybejensen Год назад

Hey, care to share the plugin? I'm very interested

@pushingfilm Год назад

Nice! Are you using the software plugin made by the SilverFast company? Somehow, I don't really get much dust in my home process.

@doozledumbler5393 Год назад

@@pushingfilm Yep, I'm using SRDx, which is the non-IR dust removal tool in Silverfast. I was doing some old scans so I had to get rid of a fair bit. New, just developed film, yeah, you usually only need to spot remove the big specks.

@TheFilmFellow Год назад

I once burned through four rolls of an expired film I actually loved but dismissed due to bad scanning. Burned through them thinking they were crap all with this being a stock I’ll more than like never find again. So for me this is a poignant video! Great message Hashem. If we all had known sooner 😀

@luciengraetz Год назад

I really gotta get a scanning set up...

@ale_s45 Год назад

I literally almost quit film photography because I couldn't get decent scans

@Jonahcastor Год назад

I always scan my own.,., I have options as scanning so can optimize the results prior to scanning

@MarkoPejovic 11 месяцев назад

I ordered my first analog camera and have been watching a lot of videos and have one weird question. Did anyone tried scanning film with digital camera using bracketing (hdr)? I don't know how that would look color wise but dynamic range would be amazing, i guess. ( :

@averywagg1839 Год назад

I pare the Nikon Coolscan V with Vuescan and get way better results than the local processing shop. I’ve even started developing my own colour negs. Again, way better results. No scratches and a lot less dust..

@pushingfilm Год назад

Awesome!

@averywagg1839 Год назад

@@judythomas2939 I use them both together. Coolscan is the hardware, and Vuescan is the software part of the equation..

@weisserth Год назад

That's why I don't waste money on lab scans. I scan 64bit raw files for 135 film in my Pacific Image RPS10000. Then process the raw files as needed.

@pushingfilm Год назад

Nice, I've heard good things about that scanner!

@weisserth Год назад

@@pushingfilm Absolutely essential for 135 format. I got two actually, identical models, one bought in Europe under the Reflecta brand, another bought in the US under the Pacific Image brand. The Pacific Image comes with a copy of Silverfast, however I prefer VueScan Pro. Why do I have two? For batch scanning. The scanner can batch scan a whole uncut roll of 135 in 64bit RAW. With two scanners (and two PCs), I can scan two rolls concurrently. When I shot a bunch for a project and need the files quickly, I can save some time. The quality is outstanding, especially with the flexibility the RAW files give you. You do not have to worry about anything other than making sure the rolls are mostly dust free and that the frames are aligned with the scanner window as it moves the film through the scanner. Exposure, colors etc. you can correct from the RAW files without a need to re-scan. The 64bit data also contains the IR layer of color film, so you can even do dust and scratch repair of the IR layer data from the RAW files. This is mainly why a dedicated film scanner still beats DSLR scanning.

@doozledumbler5393 Год назад

@@pushingfilm If you can get a decent non-faulty copy of the machine. I had two that had lines in the scans and had to send both back.

@extremelydave Год назад

I curse film labs 95% of the time I get scans back because they suck. Either the auto-bot had too many electrons that day or the human just wasn't doing their best... If I do my own scanning, well, there's only one person I can abuse or one person I can thank for a scan job.

@leeperry5144 Год назад

Hey, can I ask why you use this setup versus a scanner? I've been thinking about investing in a high end scanner but with this setup I have most the gear already.

@pushingfilm Год назад

Main reasons are that it's much faster, while giving better results (compared to the Epson V800 I used to have) I also already owned the most important gear needed like camera and macro lens.