Film Theory: Joker Is The Hero of Gotham (Batman The Dark Knight) 

You, my good lad, are supporting a good cause.

I second that good sir!

He should go there

Lmao pinned

Ooooh doubling the cringe ? I like that !

and that scene was improvised by Ledger

@@burjaman11 oh! Interesting. How do you know that? 👀

More likely it was just him mocking him...

Yep, and to think that scene was improvised by one of my favorite actors

Wow

So the Joker is a lion now? Call MatPat, that's going to be his next theory!

@Thomas Emilio *and

Oswin Benjamin said this line but slightly different in a freestyle on Sway In the Morning. "Until lions learn to write from their own perspective, every story told will be glorifying the hunter". Preach.

@@W.S._Ortega Damn! Mad props to you for referencing Sway in the Morning while on this channel.

This is weird, we don't like hunters anymore, so are we lion historians now?

No, people say, "And I thought my jokes were bad"

At least cheaper than guns and bullets

That is not exactly the line

After all, he is a "joke"r

"Yeah thats a good one buddy, no wonder why they call you The Joker."

Considering the jokers scars are likely a result of combat. Not because of a drunk father or self inflicted for his wife. His ability to tactically plan out operations , knowledge with weapons , explosives and ability to drive a large truck which requires experience and normally a CDL to be capable of . All points to a veteran who came home to find his home being controlled by thugs and mobsters with corrupt officials turning a blind eye to the problems. His wife he speaks of likely killed herself or was killed for outstanding debts to the scum of Gotham. That is likely what set an otherwise peaceful veteran off. And created this version of the joker. As he seems to have nothing but hate and disdain for thugs and mobsters . His actions show this throughout the movie.

​@@John2r1I like that theory

Why so serious?

Haha

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He died a villain :(

@@andrelintner9150 but lived long enough in our hearts to become a so called "hero"

@@andrelintner9150 wait? Joker died?

@@goji-0045 yep

@@neonsky77 not permanently

Duh, obviously he was talking about himself....I bet he did so many bad shit in his service that he makes pain look like a better boy scout than superman.

Music Sucks You got a point there.

never thought of that

Trying to tell him what he was going to have to do to catch joker.

@@chonkyboi7542 burning down a forest to catch a jewel thief. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

“Let go of vices”? He murdered a LOT of people, can’t get any more full of vice than that.

if you dont know someone's intent look at the aftermath of his actions

true and in fact joker did save gotham in the end think about it no corruption no orginzied crime for 8 years till bane shows up so yeah i do belive joker is actually the hero in a messed up but good way

Or maybe, the word "Agent of Chaos" here means Joker was created by the chaos that Batman created and he is here for one mission, to restore balance onto the city.

order in chaos

Exactly

Evan James *Laughs in Pharaoh*

DAJA KU

@@stevekujo8716 with Dio voice insert as well.

Perfectly balenced...As all things should be.

@JusticeGraceful its Rorschach not warshack

hes a pencil pusher quite the brain teaser

Tada!

@@wisdommapping9406 Its, ah, its gone.

I remember that part

Im gonna make this minority disappear

Funny thing is, I've read that dogs will wait longer to eat their dead owners if starving than cats will.

This explains both Republicans and Democrats perfectly.

State of Opportunity facts

Almost nobody sees themselves as the villain of the story

Simple, Be an anti-hero

That's why I don't like shows or movies where they think they are evil. Nobody thinks they are evil. Others may think it ab them, but they see themselves and what they're doing as heroic

Tbf he likes the chaos, not the attacks And it was incentive for the ppl to try and kill a guy

Gabriel Jordan he wanted Harvey dent alone

He wanted/needed to get harvey dent alone so he could manipulate him,like he was trying to do to batman

Gabriel Jordan sadly

@Wily Wyvern // Metal Dragon Productions how do you know he was gonna blow up the ships? Because he said so? HAS THIS THEORY TAUGHT YOU NOTHING?!

But I mean he would probably be charged with 2 first degree murder and attempted murder and probably more that I dont remember

omg its alia add arson and technically being a mob boss

Yeah that to and a bank robbery

Oh no that man was still be going to the electric chair No wait I truly think it'll be decapitation (from a holy blade such as Wonder Woman's) then burning of the body would And throwing the ashes into space work

@Juggled Lotus lol

Are you implying that the Joker creates order by threatening civilian lives with bombs? Or by turning an actually righteous prosecutor insane?

@@darklord884 common enemy unites

@@nuguns3766 Did Hitler create order then? The danger he posed united the allies after all, no?

Does this mean you fight fire with fire?????🤔

Jung: the fool is the precursor to the savior

Joker:*kills thousands of people to save millions of people* if want to have something you have to lose something and most of the people that were killed were bad people

@SILVI NUR FAJRIAH 2014 shut up bot

He killed dozens at most

He is joker saved a lot of parents for paying child support thanks joker.👍

Aryan Kakar joker was a manipulator. He lied about his past, his motives, not to mention trying to kill dents girlfriend without remorse. He clearly was a psychopath, but whether or not he was trying to save Gotham was debatable

VampRune Dude, I love the Injustice Storyline.

They're also a cowardly and superstitious lot.

@@FutureDeep or are they? Its all about perspective after all. You may see one thing but others may see something else.

@@bryantamon8633 🤯

So he’s saying he knows he’s the villain. Maybe in a broader sense the Joker really is just an extremely ill man and Batman can’t kill him because he’s morally opposed to killing an ill person, but no effort to lock him up works, and this quote is his acknowledgment that he’s the villain because he’d rather save his own conscious by not killing the Joker, which thereby allows many people to get hurt as a result.

Wow. That's. Impressive! Good job

simpler solution is more cow bells.

At least the villian of the Dark Knight wasn't Light Yagami, or any of the other Kiras from Death Note. Things would have gone WAAAYYY worse!

@@cedriclee7110 Yeah. Raw cowbell gets the job done.

@Smirking Loli True but I think the point is that the end result is better than before.

justin kongolo speaking of wich you know how i got these scars? - joker

"but this, does put smile on my face" -Joker

Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru - Joker

"Persona!" -Joker

Seems like somebody’s sharing Thanos’ family tree

oh boyyyy

@Octopus Of the nine realms Batman "became a villain" at the end of the movie in order to preserve Harvey Dent/Two-Face's public image. But this video is basically implying that Batman had already become a villain - or at the very least, complicit in Gotham's corruption - without realizing it.

@@DB-sd3cw I'm more of a soyboy tbh, but cuck works too.

Yeah Game/Film Theory's like that

Joker is the reverse card of " you either die a hero. Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain". Joke is " you either die a villain . or live long enough to see yourself become a hero "

Oof

@unknowning unknown Just cause it's old doesnt mean it's not accurate to the character.

Zangief literally wasn't a bad guy, though.

"I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's nobody I would rather be, then me...."

Who's BaD ?

I read this just as he said it

Imagine a sophisticated A.I. forecasting system that's connected to swaths of personal data and financial records. You ask it to solve a problem that nobody's been able to so far, like 'saving Gotham' or whatever. What do you think the probability is that it would suggest a plan of action that wasn't so completely bonkers that nobody's tried it, before? If anything, what we've learned here is that nurse cosplay is an undeniable force to be reckoned with. Alternating between that and evil clown make-up just kicks it up to 11.

Colby Berggren same

*He's s o p h i s t i c a t e d*

@@ladymercy5275 you have WAY too much time on your hand

And also to just f*** with them.

The commentator, i dont think anyone has mentioned the fact that joker even kills his own allies in the first scene of the movie. He kills criminals

There is a second joker in that film ^^ his brother

right?even the batman cant match up to the dark knight trilogy

What if they're willing to sacrifice both?

@@Gacha_gays then he’s Jim Jones

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I have no words...

@Acid gameplay eh he wanted to rile up the batman. thats why he said it and made sure bat heard it. if he wanted to actually blow both up he had PLENTY of time.

That's just smart.

The Joker's joke was on society. What he wanted was proof that everyone can be a murderer and psychopath like he is. And when that didn't work, he told batman about harvey dent, because he knew if he could have gotham, he'd have at least batman. The Joker is not a hero, not even an anti-hero. He accidentally saved a city when he tried to destroy it, all because he thought it would be a funny joke. THAT is the Joker.

So Alex Shelley is Batman, Joker is Joey Matthews and Gotham is RoH.

In Code Geass, Suzaku is Batman while Lelouch is Joker.

Literally me at my job

Slow and steady wins the race(?)

@@gv1685 nah

And he came back the very next day, bam bam bam batty bam

steven morales Hehehe I completely forgot why I made this joke

@@cathiaaskew1106 it was funny tho

Till the very next day! *bomp* *bomp* *bomp* *bamp bada bamp*

Got Any Graaapes?

Then we can do what we want. Without the restrictions of other people and their rules.

nice edgelord quote, it's not like as if he never said that or anything

I think he did, from another source.

OKAYYY, but if I say Thanos was right, I'm the bad guy.

@@KoolMonkE No offence God but you are the bad guy for believing that half the universe should die for a problem that doesn't exist

Can you back up this idea of Batman continuing his activity after TDK?

He burned all of the money. That's the joke. The fire will just spread over the whole thing

The whole point of that speech was always to let the audience know he does have a plan. He isn’t “an agent of chaos” in the usual sense of the word, he’s unbelievably methodical and meticulous in his scheme, he just needs to play into an extremely common fear of the unknown.

So true it's scary

"Introducing a little anarchy, Upside the established order and everything became chaos. Do you know anything above chaos? IT'S FAIR!"

because chaos means everything fights for themselves including the schemers of the established order.@@mightystellwan1974

That's actually the key to why he is the best villain and why batman is the best hero. Neither has powers. Instead of making them more powerful, they made them more interesting. Moriarty is also somewhat timeless for the same reason and it was vital for Doyle to make Moriarty to provide a good villain for Holmes. We don't actually like good superheroes. We like relatable superheroes that overcome through provoking and genuinely unsettling villains.

Same with Bruce Wayne

As Megamind said to Tighten: Oh you're a villain alright, just not a *super* one! O yeah what's the difference!? (epic entrance) *PRESENTATION!*

@@stevetheweebgamer6939 wow...

@@eschelar although I'll agree that the joker is one of the best villains, I don't agree that batman is the best super hero. Maybe for Gotham level villains but once you get to justice league level baddies, the only reason batman is so successful is plot armor by the writers.

You mean Lonnie Machin aka Anarky is exactly how MatPat is describing Heath Ledger's Joker?

Dang I didn't know the town was constipated

means cleansing Gotham of its chaos & scourge Also for us viewers it's cleaning out the shit lol

Psywriter 😔😔😖😖😩😢😫😭😭😭

@@Newt2799 I mean metaphorically it is definitely clogged up with shit.

​@Psywriter 1989 Joker said "This town needs an enema", you're probably too young to know about it. Here's the scene. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a1Tpe-dbPQI.html It's another way of saying "this town needs to flush out the shit out of its system so it feels better".

I always thought it was cruel, but I never gave it deep thought as these guys did.

How DID they catch the Joker? By using that Bat echolocator. I thought that was the "burn the forest" thing. But the Joker "stealing" the Mafia money so they can no longer bribe/control the Gotham justice system... Quite spot on. But HEY...

wait what????

@@reconx86 pls explain

@@edp-gb6yz Alfred is the real villian in his own story @12:11

No, that'a an anti hero.

Also, your'e supposed to say who your'e quoring it from.

What are you a teacher?

@@thatcooldudeisawesome876 no, Im just smarter. Jk

if that was true, you would have figured out how google works by now, try it! :)

I know this comment is old but I’m currently recovering from issues my anemia and medical troubles and this has literally made my day.

noted.

Oh no you dinit

The joker is actually John Wick one of the mob there once saw him kill a guy with a pencil.

@@1Weirdo oh hell no disrespecting the joker like that No you dinit

@@thekrazyhatter5063 All it takes is 3 bad movies.

He really wasn't kidding lols

Oh shiiit. 😂😂😂😅

The fact that Batman hates a lot

Aw for fuck sake, you lot will be pro Bateman soon enough

I bet it was a bell curve.

😂😂😂😂😂

Ima just buy some gunpowder and dynamite for that orphanage. Thanks Honey!

@MARK PEARSON why so serious

@MARK PEARSON just from reading your comments I can tell what type of person you are, and the Joaquin Phoenix joker is at the same level as heath ledger's joker in my opinion, but it's still hard to compare them when they are in 2 very different styled movies.

@MARK PEARSON Omg I'm so tired of hearing the words "I didnt like it because it was sad", thats literally the point, thats was what the director was going for. What did you think you were going to watch? And wdym he sounds gay? That's his voice in the movie, just because someone has a higher pitched voice doesn't suddenly make them gay, and the way that he acts and dances is just how he is, I mean he is crazy after all, why would you expect him to act like a normal person would.

That's a great way to get placed on the FBI watch list

Batman is responsible for crime? Uh... I don't think he is. Those criminals are responsible.

@@Cajek2 he's not responsible for the crime, only the escalation of it. Even in the comics whenever Batman's villains have a meet up they OFTEN talk about how the only reason they have gone as far with their evil plans is because batman pushed them to that degree of desperation. An example, at one point Mr. Freeze tried to freeze the world as part of a larger scheme... he stated he only attempted that because he knew batman would stop him (because deep down he knows the implication would be dire for humanity and he is not really a "bad guy morally") and that his "real goal" was just to secure stolen funding/materials along the way to keep his wife alive... which he also accomplished. In that same comic poison ivy remarks that while she's tried multiple times to wipe out humanity to make room for her plants she'd ideally be willing to settle if humanity would just stop destroying the rain forests/polluting and allowed her to grow plants capable of defending themselves there. Since she knows batman will stop her anyway she feels pressured to step up her threats so that people take her message seriously should she ever HAPPEN to win.

OMO

Im just ahead of the curve

Cajek Batman is not responsible for crime, he is the incentive that drove crime, which is why his retirement was indeed the solution to crime in Gotham. I thought this was so obvious Film Theory would not ever find themselves covering this. I guess I was wrong. Regardless, that was kind of the entire point of not only Dark Knight, but Dark Knight Rises.

He did suggest retiring. He said to Rachael something along the lines of, "Harvey Dent is going to stop Gotham's criminals, and then they will no longer need me."

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He actually said: "hold my beer"

Dead meme my friend

@@connieshoes9564 "Dead meme because I said so"

You could also say, "You can't rely on anyone these days, you gotta do everything yourself."

​@@mikkitoro8933 Joker always say this in cartoons

Anti-Villain

@@osiris8680 anti-vigilante

Gmz_ g14 Bravo

just like omar in the wire. they even have some of the same ideals about it not being about the money, but to send a message.

I don't think you know what anti-hero is lol

*what gives you the right?!*

i dont get what that should mean

Vastly underrated comment @ErikfromEarth xD

flo then obviously you haven’t seen the movie

I’M NOT WEARING HOKEY PADS

69 : so did you hear about joker

@AMIR HAKIM MUDA HASIBUAN 2014 i speak london

Zelno that's absolutely beautiful xD

“Wait, that’s illegal”

@AMIR HAKIM MUDA HASIBUAN 2014 FBI OPEN UP!

He's not wrong

@@MySerpentine The Joker: if I was to kill a gang banger or blow up a truck full of soldiers nobody says anything but one ole mayor gets killed. Everybody loses there minds. Me: that's a clever for the scenes where you have one boat full of prisoners and the other boat full of innocent people. If the innocent people blows up to boat full of prisoners nobody will say anything but if the prisoners blows up the boat full of innocents then everyone loses there minds. There is method in the Joker's madness

Lee Johnstone That is exactly what it is. The Joker is a genius, even if he is extremely sickening.

@@angelmendez-rivera351 his plan to clean up Gotham was sickening but it worked. The Joker also show Batman in order to make Gotham crime free you must kill otherwise what's the point. You can't clean up the city without breaking a few eggs

Lee Johnstone Exactly. I think the thesis of the movie is that sometimes, there is no good, ethical choice to be made to fix the problems, and not fixing them is not any more ethical either.

it probably would’ve been like in Joker 2019, where he has a bunch of followers

He was supposed to be in the Dark Knight Rises in some form. I think he was connected to League of Shadows. Surprised there isn't movie theories about that.

@@alext399true I reckon we would of got a scene of people in joker masks rioting at the end of the movie

@@volbound1700tdk rises was amazing but it still had some issues and sadly most of them were because of the unexpected death of heath ledger. They had work with what they could.

@@volbound1700I heard the plot would stay the same but when Bane frees all the criminals from jail, Joker would become the second main villain.

The one who turned the like count to 101!

* hold my smile

More like hold my gasoline.

More like hold my pencil, the Joker doesn't drink

@@ThreesiXtydegreeS he drank at the rich ppl event.

Alexy AND Friends Not even ignoring it. Being totally matter-of-fact about it.

@Manuel Camelo Satan would agree with you

I was thinking about it, and through that, it really wouldn't be hard to pull comparisons to what's happening in Gotham to real life gentrification you know, making things look good and doing very superficial fixes but leaving the impoverished behind and comparing gentrification to colonization and idk how well it actually stands within the movie, but an interesting thought none-the-less.

"You can't see yourself as the villain, when you think you're the hero"

Alfred's story?

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I mean i can think of at least 10 villains that are far from heroes of their story

Handsome Jack's words echoing every where If you think about it jack was the same too he wanted to cleanse pandora

Trust me my friend, when you said that you will got -70% ppl said "oh the hero who burn city" -30% joking on you

@@panickbutton7010 list them here

YOU'RE THE BANDIT, AND I'M THE GODDAMN HERO!

the hospital was evacuated and Matpat said he is not a good person

11:27

Yep

Neil Sosa not really, 50 people went missing during that explosion

Neil Sosa how do you explain deaths of hundreds of other casualties during his stunts , plus when he bombed an entire police station along with prisoners to get out , oh and what about when he bombed the judge or poisoned the commissioner ... ill wait

Well the incredible summed that up real well. Cape = airplane death

UrbanRose cape = 0 sight

ah yes allmight

Not every cape wears a hero.

What if a kitchen apron is just a cape worn backwards - and the heroic feat is feeding people that are hungry?

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idk why, i hated Batman ever since the first movie came and now i have my reasons

You’re the guy that always comments on SSSniperwolf’s videos!

all my joker videos I watched today you were there.

@@brodybingham6808 cmon man good thing he wasn't key epic

oooo good catch

I too like dogs :)

Yeah - that Dude at the beginning is like “My dogs are hungry!” Part of Joker’s world view is that people have a dog eat dog mentality. Joker set out to prove that people will destroy others to protect their own best interests and there is no social responsibility to community. Batman’s / Bruce’s contention is that there are still good people in Gotham - like the vast MINORITY 😕 of the Gothamites on the boat that voted against blowing up the criminals. And there are some good police as Gordon remains unfailingly selfless throughout the Trilogy. There’s also the scene where Joker threatens to cut that same mobster up into little pieces and feed him to his hungry pooches which again signifies the point that the dogs will not be loyal to their master when push comes to shove. It’s a pretty descriptive graphic 😳. One wonders if he did exactly that. Either way, Joker has those dogs working for him at the end in the skyscraper when he sics them on Batman. Even the police have their dogs that chase Batman after he tells Gordon to “call it in”. At that point I’m reminded of exactly what you said about Joker comparing himself to a dog chasing cars - so it’s almost like the Joker is personified by those police dogs which have switched loyalties like their masters as they chased Batman to his Batpod - and into that eight year long retirement. Joker won. Yeah Nolan has a whole “dog eat dog / there’s no such thing as real, lasting loyalty” motif going on in this movie. It’s brilliant because humanity already accepts that a dog can be and most often is the MOST unquestionably loyal form of life on the planet - but you have the Joker subverting that idea and putting humanity on trial by saying we’re no better than a pack of hungry dogs. So why should Batman be putting himself out for Gotham? That’s what Joker is basically saying to him in the interrogation room at MCU.

Theorists 2 seconds after this post: Dogs are people are the same?

Also how he puts his head out of the car window like a dog.

İt seems good intentions isn't enough

@ true, but what is enough are good intentions and the will to uphold and go about those good intentions in the right way

Dr. Grant : With the best intentions? Some of the worst things imaginable have been done with the best intentions.

Even with good intentions or not, ppl can still cause catastrophes and lead to more

@Ryan Alex just about to elude to that myself

That is an interesting idea he had extensive knowledge of weaponry also. This is very possible and he had no how of how the police worked in every way.

I just said the same thing 😂🤘

Don't you mean Joe?

Holsp Joseph Mother

@@Holsp Yeah, he probably meant Joe. By the way, did you hear Joe has ligma?

Whats that story about?

Was this a complaint or a compliment?

@@jamesmartinez9377 I believe it was sarcastic complaint, more as a joke than as an actual bad thing

@@khajiitkorner918 i was expecting an r/wooosh

@@jamesmartinez9377 nope I'm not like that unless the person in being overly ignorant or a jerk. Which you are not being, have a nice day.

@@khajiitkorner918 thank you

Oh, nice to see ya here

Only these two movies and an elseword comic. Otherwise you should see the moment he set loose.

Billie Eilish however...

To be fair, it might have to do with the fact as a people we're pretty against strict controlling bodies. Though there is definitely a case to be made that in many scenarios joker becomes a heroic villain. Given his entire goal is usually boiled down to 'take down the bodies of powers around with a psychopath's paint brush'. Though I will say this, I hope at some point we get a version of his and harley's relationship that's far more Bonny and Clide than abuser and abusey. I realize it's a weird take, but the that the two of them just bring out the literal worst in each other is a neat way to write their relationship. Still plenty of reason for them to split up, but it's a more interesting take than 'girl meets boy, boy meets toy'.

@@danielbailey845 why do everyone compare anythng with evil and horror with billie eilish like seriously this is just dumb

I think the story was more to do with Burmese poverty rather than colonialism.

He doesn't hand them out to kids tho. He dumps them in the river. Alfred saw some kid holding one of the stones, that the kid found in the river.

HISS even better remove the stones entirely from the economy

Funny thing. I'm Burmese. Hah.