Film Theory: The Uncomfortable Truth about the Jedi Order (Star Wars: Jedi are Evil) 

Mother: I love you son Jedi: hippity hoppity your child is now my property

"Hey Kid wanna become an indentured servant?" "I'm already a slave though." "Yeah but we let you have super powers."

Kenobi: “Only a Sith deals in absolutes” Also Kenobi: “Join me or die”

In Qui-Gon's defense, he did try to free Shmi and might have done so eventually if he hadn't died.

So being a Jedi is basically being a pokemon trainer?

I actually hate sand

"Parents give their 3-year-old child to adult man waggling their lightsabers"💀💀💀

I recently watched Star Wars Rebels, and the Jedi Temple's test literally makes you face your worst fears and you can be killed.

That is LITERALLY the point of the prequels, to show how the Jedi Order lost its way and it lead to their downfall and the rise of the empire

Anakin: I don’t like sand. JJ Abrams: Write that down

Samurai, soldiers, and most warrior culture began their training at 4 years old or younger

It’s a good thing that Luke realize this and allowed his students to have attachments thus fixing the Jedi order

"Only the SITH deal in Absolutes." - Obi Me: "That's an absolute." "Do or do not, there is no TRY." - Yoda Me: "...another absolute."

Film Theory: Mat Pat is a Sith.

YES. This is one of your best theories. Seriously I always felt this way, and completely understood the dark side characters who were ex-jedi. THAT'S A LOT OF TRAUMA. Honestly I pity the ex-jedi sith more than anyone else in Star Wars ... they were forced into a cultish organisation from childhood, forced to not act on their very probably volatile emotions, and ran straight into the arms of someone who specifically looked for folks like them just to manipulate their hatred and grief and trauma for his own gain. Also, Obi-Wan is definitely my favourite SW character, but I honestly think a huge part of Anakin's downfall was his fault and due to the strain of their relationship. Part of what I like about Obi-Wan is that he looks like just a plain old kind of boring hero dude, but his character is actually pretty complex, deep, and morally grey. He's really uniquely written imo. Both the Jedi and Sith are evil, with the Sith being worse but only because the Jedi are bad in the first place. The force is ... well ... a huge force to be reckoned with, and it's super easy for having that much power to corrupt someone, even if their order is specifically designed to prevent such an occurrence.

Imagine if John wick existed in Star wars with the force i wonder what kind of force user he would be ? Or the punisher or batman ?

"Can you imagine a world where parents willingly give up their 3 year olds and sends them away to a compound with adult men?" Sparta.

"You've made a commitment to the Jedi order." "I WAS 3 YEARS OLD!"

I’ve rewatched this video a dozen times now and love it each and every time! I do have one note: the “Pathetic Lifeform” known as Jar Jar (when you go back and watch Star Wars the Clone Wars) is actually freakishly competent. Maybe there is something to that…

0:10 That joke was cold. Oh wait nevermind, it was hot.

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!" - the guy who murdered 30 children edit: Wow, just ... wow. the amount of ppl that seem to think the murder of children ist in anyway justified is really disturbing

Matpat: you can't leave the jedi order before completing your training. Ashoka: am I a joke to you?

07:42 granted, Qui-Gonn did try to free Anakin’s mom, yet knew better than to use direct threats on Watto to make him change his mind.

Wait till he realizes what the empire does to force sensitive children.

The clone wars show actually looks at this topic properly

"Do or do not. There is no try." "Only siths deal in absolute" Both jedi quotes. Come on!

2 years later, episode 6 of Book of Boba Fett is really helping support the whole mind washed jedi theory here. It also helps support Asohkas reasoning for not taking Anakins offer to rejoin the order, she took it as her opportunity for a free out from an order she now realised never trusted her, but only used her.

That why everyone should watch the clone wars because it expertly conveyed the idea of the grey area more than any other Star Wars property or any movie in general

with the word of a Sith Lord: "Don't look so amazed. The Sith were always born and re-born within the ranks of the Jedi." - Darth Krayt

Jedi: We are good. Empire: We are bad! Grey Jedi: Force is Force.

My personal theory. Way back when near the old republic era the Jedi moved their temple onto corosant to try and cover up the sith one. Unknowingly the longer they stayed the more under the influence the later Jedi would become. I think this is why you see styles like Mace Windu who actually used the dark side powers of his Opponent to increase his abilities when facing them.

I think that’s why anakin really WAS the chosen one, he DID bring the force back into balance. For centuries there had been no sith, only light side, only when he became Vader did he bring back the other half of the force

I'm pretty sure, even as a functioning adult if given the deal of 'join our cult and get a laser sword', my response would ok where do I sign.

The main problem with the Jedi is they are always certain that they're never wrong. They don't grow or learn new wisdom as they develop. Hence why Qui-gon, Obi Wan, and Yoda all became better in their older age. They learned from their failures. The rest of the Jedi don't.

Okay Mat, but... where are you getting this idea from, that he's not allowed to quit his jedi training? Because it's not mentioned anywhere in the movies and every piece of extended media that addresses this says that jedi-in-training are allowed to quit whenever they want. You're just pulling this out of nowhere, aren't you? Because once they are allowed to leave, your *entire* argument just falls apart. So this entire video is just built on an unreasonable assumption. "And yes, the entire fault of the fall of the Republic is because of the jedi." What? No, it isn't. If Anakin hadn't turned to the dark side, which you blame the jedi for, Palpatine wouldn't have been revealed as a Sith Lord to the jedi. There would have been no confrontation in which Anakin saves him and then order 66 would have gone off without a hitch and Palpatine would have still killed all the jedi and taken over the galaxy. Blaming the jedi for the Empire is ridiculous. If they hadn't been around, Sidious would have still taken over, because he didn't actually need Anakin. Or any of the jedi for that matter.

10:54 , ok this was actually an inside joke between Obi-wan and Qui-gon, about Qui-gon picking up various creatures (pets) or plants on missions and obi would end up taking care of them one way or another. Or at least that’s the popularized headcanon.

When you're so early the title is still Game Theory

The Empire propaganda is strong with this one

The Jedi code reminds me a lot of Christianity. It's intention is well placed, and most Christians are good people, but there are corrupt self righteous individuals that claim Christianity that don't practice what they preach, and it's the same with the Jedi Order. They're so focused on their own self interests and having what they believe is a moral superiority, that they don't realize, or maybe they do, idk, that they judge, and condemn, and actually go against their very teachings. Also please don't bash me for anti religion, I am a Christian myself, but these things are unfortunately true with some people. We all know the type.

That’s Why Dooku was right all along. He saw Jedi and the Republic are corupted but nobody took him seriously. And that all led to their downfall.

5:07 human trafficing Yoda: get in the van you will

What do you mean they can’t leave the Jedi order, Ahsoka literally walked out from it

7:42 MatPat: "In Episode 1, we're told that they take Anakin, but not his mother, because they don't have the money to buy her freedom from Watto." Money Required: $1600 Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon: (Tries to win 46 million dollars from Powerball, but fails) Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon (after attempting the lottery for 10 years): Yes, we did it! We won 46 million dollars after ten years of trying! Now we can go back to tatooine to buy Shmi's freedom! :D

great video. should have included count dooku in this. he left the jedi because he was beginning to sense the ways of the jedi weren't the same as they made it out to be.

Imagine anakin’s reaction when he finds out his lightsaber is buried in sand

Once I saw general grevious cover his mouth ON A SHIP FULL OF ROBOTS I knew he was a true gentleman and that the Jedi were E V I L

Thank you for this, MatPat. I may be 2+ years late but this video is where the fun begins

Love and Passion helped Harry Potter defeat Voldemort. The Jedi can learn a thing or two from Harry.

matpat: the jedi are evil casul fans: heresy hardcore fans: your just now figuring that out?

Jedi: takes kids and forces them to serve Everyone: Sith: takes kids and forces them to serve Everyone: **gasp**

Honestly, I’m surprised Padme didn’t use her influence as Queen and later Senator to raise money to release the mother of the boy who destroyed the mother ship of the Droid Army that was invading Naboo. Heck, even Jar Jar could have mentioned something and maybe, just maybe, someone could have been sent to Tatooine to check on Shmi.

I disagree with Qui-Gon being in the same basket as the other jedi. In fact, it would’ve been best if he trained Anakin, and then maybe he wouldn’t have turned into Vader. Qui-Gon was the one jedi who saw the problems with the council, and often disobeyed the jedi code and made questionable decisions where the moral implications are albeit murky for what he perceived as the greater good. If you remember, Anakin was by far a special case, Qui-Gon himself sensed an enormous amount of force power from Anakin, and found out that this kid had to be the chosen on. Qui-Gon is the one jedi who cared about people(I suppose you could count some others if you use the expanded lore, like Obi-Wan and Plo Koon, etc), as he showed when he saved Jar Jar from the Gungan king. Yeah he played it off as “This gungan could be of use to me”, but he saw a life in danger and decided to intervene, even using jedi mind tricks to get the job done, embracing morally murky decisions for, again, the greater good. I wouldn’t say jedi mind tricks are like brainwash, they’ve always been a sort of influence, a momentary guide of a persons thought process, rather than a full on-and-off switch Qui-Gon may have been someone Anakin could’ve talked to Padme about, and he’d be understanding of it. So after the Padme nightmares, and after when Palpatine told Anakin about Darth Plagueis and the ability to save others from death, Qui-Gon could’ve told Anakin about how dying during childbirth is only a singular possibility, and that “force healing” isn’t an ability specific to the sith. (Not gonna get into the specifics of force healing and how it may work cause thats really controversial) but luckily, it wouldn’t even come to that as when Anakin tells the Council that Palpatine requested that he be a representative on the council, Qui-Gon would have the insight to point out that Dooku told Obi-Wan that the senate was under the control of a sith lord. In fact it may not even get that far as Qui-Gon may look into the matter himself, and Palpatine may have been discovered earlier, and he would’ve been killed. These were facts of the movies, they didn’t frame the jedi as virtuous, they framed them as the instrument of their own demise

Do not blink Anakin. Anakin: What? Blinking leads to relef, relief leads to fear of disrelief, fear leads to *the dark side*

Roses are red Violets are blue Master Skywalker there are to many of them what are we going too do

Anakin's descent into darkness was well portrayed. Because some Jedi never completely loved him, didn't respect him, didn't trust him, didn't take him seriously and even despised him. As a child before Obi-Wan started teaching him, he was hated and psychologically bullied by other children "Anakin is a slave to his feelings" and that was only because of envy because he was much more gifted and skilled than them. . . . And many other things and sufferings he and his padawan, Ashoka Tano, the Jedi like to cause. Yoda during the Clone Wars, he met the spirit of Darth Bane in Sitt's tomb, which is created by the rule of two. And later in his visions he saw Anakin becoming Darth Vader and didn't do anything about it because I thought it wasn't worth it. Anakin was a slave all his life - Tatuine, Jedi, Love, Dark Side. He became a father figure to Qui-gon Jinn, during his stay in the temple he was psychologically bullied and called by others "Anakin slaves to his own feelings", he lost his mother, the Jedi never married him all the time and without proper evidence he accused Ashoka and caused her to leave and finally he was afraid of losing Padmé. The only and worst support given the events was Palpatine who was a fatherly substitute for Anakin from the beginning. When he used Mace Windu's hand and after killing the Jedi he was already in the dark as the dark side itself showed him to the planet Mortis The One Son. On Mustafar, Padme almost got him from the dark side, but Obi-Wan discovered him and screwed it up. Anakin "Vader" built his castle on Mustafar and thanks to the two sbosobs he tried to revive Padmé but he could not see it due to the fact that Luke and Leya were already born, they were the only ones preventing it with their existence. Too bad he didn't find "Word between Wolrds" on the planet Lothal. He would create an alternate Reality or go through all of history. ;) . . . You have to find out about the lost 20 Jedi like Count Dooku, about the fates of Jedi with the ability to see the future, young apprentices who were not taken by any Jedi masters to learn, who showed little talent for the force and were not shown to the temple which in some cases was quite drastic, . .. Blinded by ego, aronance, pride, absolute help to people and not following the path of forces. Honor to the exceptions and one of the true Jedi was Master Fey. The Jedi and the Fallen Jedi (Sith) have betrayed the memory and message of their common ancestors of the Je'daii Order by their actions and the endless battles of their Civil War. 😊 May the force be with you. And may you lead the force. 🖐️

12:05 I didn't turn off my brain, but my whole computer shut down right as that line was spoken

"There is no emotion" "Only a Sith deals in absolutes"

"if a child suddenly loses their parent, they experience grief" The Jedi: *does it anyway* Anakin: *gets led down the path to the dark side due to those effects* The Jedi: *surprised pikachu face*

4:00 when you put it that way it sounds downright evil

Tibetan Monks are usually recruited around 5 yrs old and never see their families again. They were Lucas' inspiration for the Jedi.

"The ripe old age of nine years old." Antivaxxers: Yes

Anakin: "I'm worried about my mother." Obi-Wan: "Oh yeah! We freed her a month ago and got her set up on one of the republic relief programs. I think she'll be trained to do clerical work. I'll get you her number before long." Anakin: "Oh. Cool. Guess I can focus on my training then, knowing my only family is alive and safe!" Also... Anakin: "I've been having these terrifying dreams, master." Yoda: "Undergoing a delicate medical procedure, your pregnant wife is. Normal, your dreams are. Fine, everything will likely be. Awesome, our healthcare system is!" Anakin: "You knew?!" Yoda: "Knew, everyone did. Disappointed, the council is. Demoted, you will likely be. Normal, this situation also is." Anakin: "Huh... Master, I think the chancellor might be a Sith Lord."

I’d say the whole point is to put them through intense training and stress so that they can learn to rely only on the force and not be dependent upon ppl

Jedi are not technically evil in the way of how they attain new recruits. They are not kidnapping kids because the parents, if they have any, are aloud to say, "No, I do not want my child going away." However, children are not allowed to see their parents because as mentioned in canon, attachments can lead to the Dark Side. Does not mean they can't have relationships with others, and the Jedi are not said they shouldn't be cold hearted, but they are to have compassion, not attachments.They have to be taught from an early age in order to fully build a strong foundation into the Jedi Order. Also, everyone knows it is hard becoming a Jedi, so the younglings would need years in order to perfect their training and hopefully becoming Jedi Knights. Of course, anyone who's anyone would tell you the Jedi Order had its flaws as the Jedi soon became prideful and arrogant, and their rules also were sometimes wrong and unfair, which is why some Jedi were "grey" Jedi. They respected the Code, but when necessary, they would disobey tradition in order to do what was right. As many people would also tell you, the prequels show you the flaws in the Order. But how they went about recruiting their new students was not entirely wrong, but I see what your getting at. Know that I enjoy your videos, but I love Star Wars a lot more. I hope you can understand what I mean, if not then I tried, but know that I do see what you mean.

Matt I do have to say one thing regarding Qui Gon: He was more of a Grey Jedi, and he tried to follow the Will of the Force itself. He could tell that Anakin was unlike any Force-sensitive child anyone ever encountered, and felt that the Force had intervened in some way for the two to have met. If ANYONE would've gone to check on Anakin's mother(or even try to free her from Watto's grasp), it would've most certainly been Qui Gon(had he not met his end by Darth Maul). He almost always went against the grain of the Jedi principles, which is why Yoda made his comment to the young Obi Wan in the end of Episode l, "Qui Gon's defiance I sense in you. Need that you do not." Qui Gon was offered a spot on the Jedi Council, to which he declined as he felt his purpose as a Jedi was to be guided by the very Will of the Force. He was also trained by Dooku when he was a Jedi Master. Arguably, Dooku's training would've been a more suited platform of training and teaching than that of the existing Jedi Code. Dooku understood there were many areas of the Jedi Order that were flawed, but as a Master, he was able to carve his own path in some way. Dooku was also one of the few members of the Jedi who believed they were meant to do more than being the peacekeepers of the Republic, and felt that the Jedi had lost their way(and even their connection to the Force itself) during the time of peace from a Force-user's standpoint. Even more-so when discovering the unfortunate death of his former apprentice and dear friend. I mean for crying out loud, when Qui Gon encountered Darth Maul for those brief seconds on Tatooine and Obi Wan asked him who the unknown assailant was, "I don't know, but he was well-trained in the Jedi arts." was all Qui Gon had to say. The Jedi made the foolish mistake of believing that the Sith had been eradicated, and simply set the thought of their inevitable return to the deepest corner of their minds. Rather than training in preparation for the Sith's return, they pretty much said, "Screw it, they're gone forever. Why would we need to be prepared for an enemy that no longer exists?". It was that very misguided assumption on the Jedi's behalf that led to their downfall. They had, in a sense, betrayed the Force itself through their lack of actions when they became mere lapdogs of the Republic. On top of all this, the Jedi Council placed the Chosen One under the care of newly-deemed Jedi Knight Obi Wan. Had Qui Gon lived, the Council would've gone with Qui Gon's request to be Anakin's Master(after Obi Wan faced The Trials)...and A LOT would've played out differently. Anakin would've had immediate trust in Qui Gon's teachings, since Qui Gon operated more as a Grey Jedi than anything else. Anakin would've become far more powerful under a much wiser and more open-minded Qui Gon than a 'fresh off the Jedi Knight press' Obi Wan. Anakin would've felt comfortable and confident enough to reveal to Qui Gon his love for Padme, which Qui Gon would then give him guidance on the matter as a whole. Palpatine would've met his demise in Episode lll, Anakin would've been deemed a Jedi Master, his transgression of a romanticized relationship with Padme would've been overlooked(most likely due to Padme being a Senator of the Republic), and Luke and Leia would've been ushered into the Jedi Order. In time, a more resolved Jedi Order would be formed, and the Jedi would be prepared for the next revival of the Sith with the aid of the Chosen One plus 2 offspring. TLDR; If Qui Gon hadn't died, Anakin would've remained loyal to the Jedi Order and Episodes IV-IX wouldn't exist(for the most part).

This is why I love Ashoka because she realizes that the Jedi Council is wrong and leaves them and becomes a gray Jedi. I also love the concept of purple lightsabers because you are using the dark side for light side a good mix of the two

Such a good point… You could argue that the only difference between Aniken and Luke is that Luke had a chance to develop with the family and be loved. 😊

Thing is, in the Legends continuity, there's a specific event that the Jedi committed (under the Republic's orders) that confirms the evil of the Jedi, and created the undying enemy that is the Sith: They committed genocide against the Sith populace. Not just the actual force users, but the civilians, too. Men, women, children, all were murdered in an attempt to completely wipe them out. This is why the Sith are constantly focused on hatred, fear, and revenge: because millenia before, the defeated civilization that could have surrendered and made peace... Was completely eradicated. And the survivors fled, remembering this genocide and creating the evil Sith as we know them today.

Jedi Order: recruits children at a very young age Evryone: Okay with it First order: recruits children at a very young age Everyone: EVEN SATAN WOULDNT DO THAT

Darth Traya brings up a lot of the failings of the Jedi. One of the biggest problems brought up is how they teach people to cut themselves off from any emotions rather than teaching people how to deal with said emotions. This, ironically, leads people (including anakin) to the dark side.

I love your channel and I know this is for entertainment but I do still want to break it down a little bit. They didn’t take babies, parents had to give their babies willingly. The droids they used to train the younglings were not harmful, sure they hurt a little but no serious damage was ever done, they were purely used to sharpen the younglings reflexes, it’s like meditation takes time to learn and get proficient at. Would you send an untrained soldier into combat? They didn’t ignore their emotions and they weren’t told to ignore love either, in fact Anakin said it best: Jedi are not forbidden to love they are forbidden to have attachments, Jedi are encouraged to love in a much more general sense. Attachments cause one to get exactly that: attached. With attachment they are then unable to serve the will of the force, if they aren’t serving the will of the force than they are serving themselves, which leads to the dark side. Finally just because being a Jedi is “a commitment that is not easily broken” doesn’t mean a Jedi couldn’t leave the order, they absolutely could almost at any time they wanted but as with anything, leaving it has a wider affect and everything would have to be worked out and it would take time. Saying it could not be done is foolish.

You're forgetting one thing here: it's actually very easy and carries very little repercussions for a Jedi or even a Padawan to leave the order at any time, of their own volition and free will. Dooku did it, Ahsoka did it, Cere did it (and later re-acquired her Jedi title), Quinlan Vos did it (a couple of times). Literally *all* the Jedi in hiding after the purge did it as well. Verdict: Jedi downgraded from "evil cult abductors" to "runners of voluntary boarding school with live-in teaching program".

Sith: THE JEDI ARE EVIL! Jedi: NO THE SITHS ARE! Space marines: What's all this racket?

Dammit MatPat this was the point of the prequels and Clone Wars not just a theory

While they aren’t supposed to padawans can leave the order at any moment like Ahsoka not to mention that they don’t take children from unwilling parents although most parents are in the universe while it was pretty messed up to leave Shmi on tatooine attachments are against the Jedi code and if anakin had free access to his mom that undermines the whole system

“Can I please take a kid sir, little Susan there? Can I take her from you?”

Still preferred the Dark Side over Jedi's cus they had cake.

True, but we must also take in consideration the mentality of this galaxy. For them, the Jedi Order was a religious, honorable army of peace keepers. They were THE Jedi and joining their ranks was the greatest honor one could ever achieve. So we have a lot of parents happy that their child gets to bear that honor. Another aspect is the Force. These children had great power and were too dangerous to be left alone. Imagine a child throwing a tantrum in the middle of store and bringing the entire building down because they wouldn't know how to control the Force. So the Republic gave Jedi right to take these Force sensitive children into training, so others may live without worry. You said it yourself, these children are not mentally prepared, so they need someone to constantly watch over them. If they lost control in the middle of temple, there were hundreds of masters ready to jump in and help. I cannot deny that at the end, Jedi lost their ways and basically became super soldiers for republic, but reasoning stands. They were founded to take care of all force sensitive children in galaxy and make sure they do not harm others and also use their powers to help. We can argue that its kidnapping, but in universe where random children can have power to level buildings just by throwing tantrum, I'd say that Jedi or something similar is a necessity. And one last thing. You assume that these children know they lost the family, but Jedi take them so young that they barely know who their parents are. For them, the Jedi are their family. Masters that take care of them are their mothers and fathers. Other younglings and padawans are their brothers and sistes. You remember in Episode 2 as Yoda was teaching the younglings? He seemed like an old wise grandfather, slowly and patiently teaching his grandchildren. Of course, that is my point of view. Feel free to hate it or ignore it, but you will not change it. XD Also, MARRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!

To be fair to the Jedi order, I don't actually remember much from when I was 3 years old or younger, I don't even remember my first day of school. My more substantial early childhood memories happened after I already started school, so I'm not sure the separation of a child from their parents would really have such a lasting effect if done early enough, the child won't even remember their parents. It would explain why they didn't want to train Anakin in the first place.

Mat pat you really need to watch clone wars because it fleshes out everything you just said to an extensive level

Jedi: "Do or do not, there is no try." Also Jedi: "Only Sith deal in absolutes."

Star wars hat the best written lines "No Luke, *I* am your father" "I AM the senate" "Use the force Luke" "I love you" "I know" "I don't like sand"

They couldn’t afford to set Anika’s mom free yet they know mind tricks to get evil to do their bidding. Strange huh.

The Clone Wars television show routinely blurs the lines of good and bad, and calls into question the motives and morals of the Jedi on countless occassions.

*MattPat: The Jedi are Evil!* *Me who read Star Wars Lore about The Sith Genocide and The Jedi who did nothing to stop the Mandalorians before Revan: Yep that's true.*

Jedi: kidnapped kids at 3 Everyone: Empire kidnapping kids at 3 to be inquisitors Everyone: OH MY GOD THAT NUTS

I swear your presentation and your tones makes this SO FUNNY. I've been in tears from laughing so hard. And I still love these movies and you DIDNT ruin this for me at all. NICE WORK

3:19 yoda: you are too old Also yoda: 900 years am i

Vader: How many pizzas do you want? Palpatine: Order 66.

I mean Anakin is lucky. He was only there for 10 years, Others were there for 16.

I was totally disappointed that the new trilogy set itself up perfectly to explore Grey Jedi and then didn't.

Don't forget, if parents object to the Jedi taking thier kids, said Jedi simply Force brainwash them into compliance.

It's not just the movies. In the "Old Republic", the first attempt at a benevolent galactic civilization supported by Jedi, back When Mandalorians had an empire, and were casually marauding planets with big dreams and bigger guns, The Jedi Order forbade ANY Jedi from interfering, even to save countless lives; to the point where many Jedi knight exiled themselves from the Order, just to be allowed to do what they were trained to! The Jedi Order has had a LONG history of beurocracy and Hypocrisy, indeed.

We're forgeting something... _What about the droid attack on the Wookies?_

"We are keepers of the peace, not soldiers" later in the same movie Chops off a bounty hunters head

“Manipulating the innocent”? the only thing storm troopers are innocent of is hitting their shots

Here I thought you’d be talking about their philosophical flaws like the jedis rejection of passion or their inaction in acting against galactic slavery or their ingrained apathy... nope just a critique of their recruitment tactics

Matpat is a SITH LORD brainwashing us to hate the Jedi.

That’s why Darth Sidious was able to fool so many. He was playing four way chess. He knew one day they recruit a kid that not only will be powerful but has all the ingredients to become evil. The Jedi basically gave Anakin Skywalker to Sheev Palpatine on a silver plater. Only because they were so stuck in there ways that they didn’t realize they harm they were causing. So much ignorance,hypocrisy, and the fear of losing power led them to their demise.

Also, when the dark jedi split from the order, the jedi try to destroy them in stead of supporting freedom of opinion ( and of religion i guess). Also, if you tell a child to not follow his emotions, he will. If the jedi order were more gray and more free, the sith would have never existed because the jedi would have accepted them in stead of oppressing them into a fierce resistance.