Film Theory: This is Disney’s WORST Fear! (Winnie the Pooh)

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Can you imagine if your favorite, friendly Pooh Bear had a HORROR movie? Well, that is an actual reality now. But it’s NOT from the minds at Disney. So is this even legal? And could other Disney characters get their own horror movies? Oh Bother, we’re in for a good episode today!
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@nicolefontaine3037 Год назад

Matpat literally taught me more about public domain, copyright and trademarks, than any of my schools could.

@MaxRamos8 Год назад

You never took a business class?

@acutedog9189 Год назад

@@MaxRamos8 whaaat? unimaginable

@E11iewi11iams Год назад

Same lol I’ve actually learnt so much from his channels and well nothing from school 😭

@MaxRamos8 Год назад

@@acutedog9189 how so did you not even finish high school?

@Guy-cb1oh Год назад

Thats your first problem

@KFP_Fanboy Год назад

disney’s worst fear is the kung fu panda franchise, it’s going to put disney out of business

@alarminglyenthustiasticmet1460 Год назад

I cannot agree more, Disney is going to get crushed by Dreamwork's Kung Fu Panda!

@TheSecondKidNamedFinger Год назад

@@DontReadMyProfilePicture.6k

@masteroogway9525 Год назад

Agreed

@KFP_Fanboy Год назад

@@masteroogway9525 totally

@trixxart777 Год назад

Is there another movie coming out I thought the story was over

@cassie2392 Год назад

Gotta give it to Disney - Trademarking literal frames of animation was genius

@sharktenko267 Год назад

I'm curious if that will hold in court

@taskdon769 11 месяцев назад

@@sharktenko267 Don't think it matters really, the creators will just make a character with two big circle on each side of the head and call it Micky or Mickie.

@thuta9548 11 месяцев назад

@@taskdon769 micky the mousey ;-;

@Zero-ve4lt 11 месяцев назад

@@thuta9548 nicky the rat

@mikethegoo 11 месяцев назад

@@Zero-ve4ltRickey the Rodent

@BiggestPhangirl Год назад

If you want to distinguish Mickey, just take the buttons off his pants, or put four buttons instead of two. Make the tips of his shoes flatter or pointier or whatever. They never change Mickey’s clothes so if you mix up the clothes it isn’t Disney’s Mickey anymore. Their Mickey only ever has the single outfit. Or just stick to fanfics and fan art and upload them to FanFiction or DeviantArt.

@ErrorNamenotfound-mx7bv 6 месяцев назад

Replace the buttons with a belt :D

@ultimamage3 5 месяцев назад

@@ErrorNamenotfound-mx7bv"Replace it with many belts" - Tetsuya Nomura

@PurooRoy 4 месяца назад

They never change Mickey's clothes? There was literally an era from where Mickey wore all kinds of clothes for nearly 50 years.

@sexygirlmax2019 Год назад

Disney sued and threatened a childrens hospital for having a peter pan themed room/playcenter to help the kids cheer up and socialize even though they were using it based on public domain and werent even using the disney characters. Its nice seeing someone use the public domain to scare disney like this

@gamingtv-wn7si Год назад

Disney is too harsh

@lily-maielsley Год назад

I think, A) that they DONT have to ask because it’s kids. Sick kids what kind of b#### takes away fun from kids? B) who cares? Like I’ve said before ITS SICK KIDS C) Disney has better things to do like making a new movie

@jacktheflash8478 Год назад

@@lily-maielsley the people who make the movies don’t deal with copyright

@grandstarstudiosYT Год назад

disney is evil and deserves to get pirated from

@yugi4741 Год назад

@@lily-maielsley even tho now the movies are quite how do i say this

@popculturedata Год назад

A horror movie with Mickey Mouse would be quite unique

@AuntieHauntieGames Год назад

Eh, the mouse is trademarked, so Mickey will never really go into the public domain. The copyright on his steamboat willy design is entering the public domain but that is all. The character overall is trademarked and trademarks last forever so long as a company maintains them, and a horror movie would likely get challenged right off the bat since the *character* will always be Disney's.

@redrasegarden Год назад

Oh maybe we can get abandoned by Disney.

@Noicer_wastaken Год назад

Nope remember the trade mark.

@imgonnaputsomedirtinureyedabs Год назад

Have u seen the Roblox horror game Rickey Rat? It’s basically that and it’s like really well made at points u forget ur playing a block game. Highly suggest trying it out

@aaronlane8276 Год назад

Willy’s Steamboat Slaughterhouse

@Actionfan19 Год назад

This might actually explain why they're doing all these live action remakes. A means to maintain rights to their versions of these characters.

@silverdamascus2023 11 месяцев назад

Making a sequel or remake does not extend the copyright to the original, it just creates a situation where the original is in the public domain, but the sequel/remake isn't so imitators can only use characters and elements from the original.

@initiisnovis9673 11 месяцев назад

Most of the movies they are remaking have still quite a lot of time before they enter the public domain

@BenDCPS 10 месяцев назад

They actually did that with Winnie the Pooh with Christopher Robin.

@calledmedarling 9 месяцев назад

this is literally exactly why

@hollykatescanlon6174 8 месяцев назад

wow that actually makes a lot of sense 🙎

@RewindOGTeeHee Год назад

I love how matpat & team have made these videos impossible for Disney to copyright claim unless they want to make it canon that their mascot is a deranged evil kidnapping serial killer.

@noahalcantar2431 8 месяцев назад

@RewindOGTeeHee what do you mean by that?

@Didyouknowthatiexist 4 месяца назад

They should copy right strike it I wanna see it become canon

@digimonlover1632 3 месяца назад

Why do people say it’ll become canon? It won’t.

@Owl_of_Books Год назад

Someone is 100% going to make a horror movie based on all of the Disney characters 😂

@strangelvx Год назад

id watch it

@d.k.t.3380 Год назад

To be fair, I would totally watch a "teens trapped in an abandoned house with a guy in a mouse costume killing them off" slasher flick called "House-Of-The-Mouse" or something...

@117MasterSpartan Год назад

They did it’s South Park

@11skylars Год назад

@@117MasterSpartan mf what

@Dave_Miller_TP Год назад

Abandoned by Disney movie

@notinuse856 Год назад

from chuck e cheese to winnie the pooh, this man can make ANYTHING full of lore and even eviller than it should ever be. thanks mat.

@notinuse856 Год назад

@Jack Wrath wow youre def not a bot

@campcopake Год назад

*knock knock* Grinch: You forgot me

@Battleray Год назад

Yeah

@jcage1022 Год назад

@@notinuse856 I'd say they're just calling you stupid in a creative way, since that wasn't MatPat's work. The film's existence is "even eviller" than Pooh ever should be. MatPat had nothing to do with it.

@HashknightGaming Год назад

@@notinuse856 Bruh this is an actual film.

@johnmunoz-crabb8393 Год назад

This reminds me of Hasbro's relationship with the word 'transform'. You'll notice in most of the recent toy packaging and instructions, they advertise that the figure "converts in X number of steps" because if they overuse the word 'transform' it will become generic and allow other companies to sell 'transformers' toys instead if 'transforming robot toys'

@Daniel_taichouYT 11 месяцев назад

Thanks matpat you've really made me understand about copyrights, trademarks and the public domain. I'm beginning to see how things work just right after you explained them

@9ightdreamer 8 месяцев назад

Watching a simple theory? Well jokes on you, you just learned how the copyright and trademarks work!

@Celestia282 Год назад

I've noticed the addition of the Steamboat Willie animation into the Disney logo, but I always thought it was just a fun reference and callback to the origins of the company, a way to honor their heritage. I never realized that it was a skeezy way to dodge copyright law. That kinda makes me feel bad.

@MissFirenze1 Год назад

It's rather smart if you think about it, nobody would recognise it unless they'd seen the original steamboat willie animation

@Lucky10279 Год назад

Honestly, it seems kind of dumb to me. Like, seriously, _who cares_ if people can use a centuries old version of Mickey that most people aren't even familiar with? Like, they can't seriously be making a noticeable amount of money off of content that old, and the current version, which is _very_ different, will still be protected by copyright. So I really don't get why they even care that much.

@Celestia282 Год назад

@Mikayla Eckel Cifrese Because we're living in end stage capitalism. It's not just about winning; it's about crushing everyone else. Not only does Disney want to bleed the consumer base for every penny they can, they also want to make sure that no one else can earn a single thing. Yes, letting Steamboat Willie go would have a negligible impact on their year-end profits, but they didn't rise to the top of the industry by being nice.

@kingofsomething3250 Год назад

@@Celestia282 end stage? elaborate

@pegasBaO23 Год назад

@@kingofsomething3250 The final form of capitalism, where everything is controlled by capital

@camilaacosta1508 Год назад

I love how mat manages to stay consistent with all his channels

@Ccsmo Год назад

i wish every bot a shitty saturday

@sageviper2981 Год назад

I hope that whoever is supposed to take over keeps the quality of these videos up

@Romanian_Man Год назад

These bots are crazy 💀

@AtomicDuelist Год назад

@@sageviper2981 the person taking over is owning the company and such, matpat will still be in FULL control over making his videos and will have even more time in order to do so to make even better content (if the deal hasnt finished already)

@Chasen988 Год назад

@Jack Wrath We need to watch this

@Themfeels101 Год назад

A Peter Pan horror room actually makes sense because Peter Pan is arguably the villain there. Captain Hook may not be fully innocent, but Peter Pan isn't much better.

@kawaiiamethist 11 месяцев назад

I watched this flick today and I am dumbfounded and impressed it exists. Kudos to the filmmakers, and I hope there's a sequel with Tigger, because that guy would be a terrifying adversary!

@ajward9112 9 месяцев назад

Absolutely. I mean, the dude can not only bounce, but he can bounce high.

@kawaiiamethist 9 месяцев назад

@@ajward9112 I'd also love to see Owl swooping down like a ninja out of nowhere.

@dylan1333 7 месяцев назад

@ajward9112 7 месяцев назад

@@kawaiiamethist Oh yes - Owls are already naturally scary birds. That could be next level horrific

@cassandramathis8657 Год назад

Ok, we NEED a stop motion animated adaptation of the original Winnie the pooh

@schoo9256 Год назад

That would actually be beautiful

@markotnanatkapietruszki Год назад

They did Moomins a while ago and it was amazing, check it out if you like them :)

@wumpus976 Год назад

Now all of a sudden, Winnie the Pooh becoming public domain doesn’t seem so bad.

@ischeele7203 Год назад

There's a soviet animated Winnie the Pooh... It's a refreshing take on the old bear, feels just like a storybook.

@darththespian4856 Год назад

I wanna do it now that sounds so cool

@uxw05 Год назад

I don’t know why, but I absolutely love it when the theorist channels start talking about copyright, trademarks, and the public domain and seeing the lengths companies are willing to go to keep their IPs in their control.

@ninjaartist1235 Год назад

Making learning about boring laws fun is something I appreciate in someone.

@AZGamezYT 4 месяца назад

Well now mickey is public 💀 Watching in January 2024

@sasukeuchiha9071 4 месяца назад

@@AZGamezYTsame

@AZGamezYT 4 месяца назад

@@sasukeuchiha9071 u came from the danno video?

@DevKamesh 4 месяца назад

@@AZGamezYTI did

@pepelagarto8110 Год назад

11:10 matpat turned into kermit while explain ING copyright lmao

@buser387 4 месяца назад

THE MOUSE IS OURS!

@FrostTheHobidon Год назад

Not Only the Original Mickey will be in the Public Domain, people forget about the original Minnie and Pete will also too.

@scourgeofman4980 Год назад

So Mini will be the one to go on a killing spree after the decapitation of her beloved Mickey by a giant mouse trap! We'll call it: Mini The Mouse, Cheese and Whine 😭

@Pacbandit13 Год назад

@@scourgeofman4980 your thinking too small 50 shades of mini soon come

@EmperorGoliaththeEverliving Год назад

@@Pacbandit13 Nah, Nah, 50 Shades of Pete with Pete and Minnie in the starring roles.

@looneylunatic.2133 Год назад

Who's Pete?

@sonicfanboy3375 Год назад

@@looneylunatic.2133 That's Mickey's arch nemesis he's the captain of the ship in Steamboat Willie

@TheRunawayWriter Год назад

I’m not gonna lie, ‘Bambi: The Reckoning’ made me laugh so hard I had to pause the video in order to collect myself. I had heard there may be a Bambi horror movie, so that in and of itself didn’t shock me. For some reason, the title just caught me by surprise and absolutely sent me

@juliajohnson4080 Год назад

Tbh the original Bambi is pretty dark to begin with, so I wasn’t shocked

@chill_ice68 Год назад

@@juliajohnson4080 yeh

@SadGirlHours_ Год назад

Literally the snl sketch

@AngelArcher17 Год назад

Bambi finally gets revenge

@CKT47 10 месяцев назад

@@juliajohnson4080how I mean yea his mom got killed if in the first 10 minutes and he threw that one guy off a cliff in a fight but if anything it’s more realistic

@jakneez 4 месяца назад

I am very scared for Donald Duck’s copyright time to run out but... I WAS thinking about making a parody news program starring him, so... yeah.

@DMAG12 Год назад

I love the Kingdom Hearts references in this video. Great job MattPat, never thought you could do that! Combined two of my favorite worlds 🥹🥹

@stef5853 Год назад

The Peter Pan horror... yeah that one already exists in literary form. The book is called Lost Boy. And while it may not appear as a horror (and I would agree that it can be discussed whether it's horror or not) but once you start to think about it as a backstory, it becomes a bit chilling.

@Joxie_Jaxon Год назад

Link

@thegoldenfox951 Год назад

@@Joxie_Jaxon its a book you cant get a link

@lopezroilans.8384 Год назад

I mean the original Peter pan is already horror enough (kidnaps children, kills lost boys who grow up, etc.)

@AFunkyPigeon Год назад

@@thegoldenfox951 it's like those Facebook things where kids are looking at a newspaper like "why won't the buttons work"

@thegoldenfox951 Год назад

@@lopezroilans.8384 they did the peter pan story well in the tv show once upon a time

@shacharlem4424 Год назад

Legal loopholes also existed with the mean one, a horror adaptation of how the Grinch stole Christmas. The character was simply never referred to as "the Grinch, whoville was named "newville", Cindy loohoo was named "Cindy you know who" among many other examples. And that film was still made much before the Grinch came to public domain.

@c.d.dailey8013 Год назад

Weird. Grinch is pretty much the modern family friendly version of Krampus. So it wouldn't be much of a stretch to turn that into a horror movie. Someone just has to look into the creepier parts of Christmas lore. They can get all sorts of ideas. The Christmas Carol is really creepy since it is about ghosts.

@gonzalocianci6105 Год назад

Cindy You know whos that Made me laugh out loud

@shacharlem4424 Год назад

I also personally think that Hilda, ren and stimpy, Amphibia and who framed Roger rabbit could work as horror films.

@OR56 Год назад

12:01 There is no way Disney can copyright Darth Vader breathing. It is literally just SCUBA gear noises.

@binhanjustbinhan9141 4 месяца назад

Boy oh boy, ain't this aged so well.

@phoenixvalentina3741 Год назад

People have always been doing horror things with beloved characters. Worst fear for companies is when it becomes legal and can go on the big screen: public domain

@callejidell3836 Год назад

To be fair, Reimagining characters without their iconogrophy sounds like a great way to get to the core of a character in creative ways.

@mikethegoo 11 месяцев назад

And you CAN'T trademark or copyright a personality... I hope

@swift_heart_bunnie 9 месяцев назад

@@mikethegoo i'm sorry, sir, but you cannot act like that anymore. your personality is now owned by the disney company

@mikethegoo 9 месяцев назад

@@swift_heart_bunnie Goddammit!

@MarvelousTBDyt1037 4 месяца назад

@@mikethegoofirst time getting copyrighted huh?

@reuben_sandwich_ 7 месяцев назад

One of the worst thing I've seen from these kind of laws is that the AFL (Australian Football Legue) (I'm Aussie) wants to start an official AFL team for Tasmania, but they can't call themselves the 'Tassie/Tasmanian Devils, an Aussie animal, and their state animal, because Warner Brothers owns the trademark to the name 'Tasmanian Devil', and they're currently in the middle of a lengthy legal battle for the rights for the name.

@_natnotfound_ 9 месяцев назад

6:31 The most unrealistic part of the video You know they didn't give them a free trip to Disney world Maybe a 13% discount

@SunshineMeadows Год назад

usually all this legal jargon doesn't hold my attention but wow, i didn't realize copyright and trademark laws were so blooming specific. thanks for presenting it all in an interesting way, matpat. i have a feeling this video is going to be pretty handy for a lot of people over the next few years.

@heatherwhite6511 Год назад

Been a while since we’ve heard the Mickey Mouse voice over here. Still just as good as always :)

@AllMight6 Год назад

Beap Boop I am Bot

@chrid200 Год назад

i am a bot also

@SergioLeonardoCornejo Год назад

Has that peculiarly malevolent aura to it. Just like the company who created him. Walter probably looks from the spirit realm with frustration ever since at least the 80s.

@aureliamastergoomba1278 Год назад

6:00 We can assure Game Freak, Nintendo, and Sega are gonna be riding THAT for a LONG TIME

@tydino101 19 дней назад

if they make a tigger horror movie, i hope they stay lore consistent and include the "bones made of springs" thing that he sings about in the show. i'm not sure if it was in the books though...

@godoatthegoat2884 Год назад

I think some good works could come out of this. Imagine a Winnie the Pooh or Mickey Mouse movie where instead of a edgy horror bloodbath there are more adult and deep themes that Disney isn't brave enough to depict. Something like Del Toro's Pinocchio but with disney characters. The fact that they necessarily have to distance themselves from the modern depictions of these characters to avoid copyright could ironically become an advantage instead of a limitation.

@jacobkeefe1534 11 месяцев назад

Grimm's tales, e.g.

@cassiewhite879 7 месяцев назад

I don't think so!

@polycube868 4 месяца назад

Yeah but film makers are lazy and often prefer a quick buck especially if they can use shock factor to get views.

@user-qe8jg4kf8y Год назад

Ok now I'm officially convinced he can turn anything into a theory.

@GA-dl4by Год назад

Ikr

@zuzizui6433 Год назад

dude there are links everywhere

@Program303 Год назад

He’s turned clothes into theory’s I bet he can turn doors into theory’s as well

@Program303 Год назад

And maybe he can turn chairs into theorys

@Marshmellow_Cat Год назад

@JackWrath3.. Imagine someone not knowing how to breath oxygen...😂🤣!! Get a better trap next Time!!!

@GOODYGOODGOOD789 3 месяца назад

12:46 Fun fact the hyphen in Spider-Man's name was inserted because Stan Lee felt that he could get into legal troubles with DC without it because both Superman and Spider-Man's names started with S and ended with man.

@MrCreator-572 3 месяца назад

Cool fun fact!

@GOODYGOODGOOD789 3 месяца назад

@@MrCreator-572 Thanks.

@avoprim5028 3 месяца назад

@@GOODYGOODGOOD789 Also, Stan Lee wanted to avoid confusion between the two characters, even though there is this comic book series literally called, and, this is the actual title, “New Super-Man.”..

@monettemoradi 4 месяца назад

Back here with Steamboat Willie being used for every horror game am low budget horror movie

@Blind_Eye046 Год назад

I like the idea of the original winnie just walking in the public domain, only to stumble into this movie by accident after taking a shady path, and accidentally meet the slasher. "Oh bother, do you need help cleaning off that jam?"

@starsiadraws Год назад

Is your profile picture... traumacore?

@Sorain1 Год назад

You know Proxima, honestly? It'd be neat if the monster just responded by politely appreciating it and sending the original on his way.

@Blind_Eye046 Год назад

@@starsiadraws Nah, They're literally just blind. I don't really have trauma. Okay that was a lie, but still :)

@davidroddick91 Год назад

I wanted to print out a book of music for the clarinet, and so I looked up a list of public domain music, believing it would be all classical stuff. But I was surprised to see names like Cole Porter, Irving Berlin, Harold Arlen...I hadn't realized some of the great songs that are now in the public domain.

@jhonshephard921 Год назад

There is a whole set of songs people would love for you to adapt. Look up copy-left. Also for examples of songs look up Pete Seeger, Faith Petric, Joe Hill or basically anything in a book called IWW's Little Red Songbook.

@Michael_mouse821 Год назад

Matpat is the only person who can convince me I’m a crayon and I’d believe it wholeheartedly.

@JetstarStudios Год назад

I know he was joking about “Copyright Theory” but fr this is stuff I need to know as a creator, please make more of this!

@BiblioRook Год назад

Doesn't surprise me that Peter Pan is one of the ones next up to become a horror movie, depending on how you look at the original work it practically is close to being one already and probably would require surprisingly little adjustment to become full-on horror. Peter Pan just as an individual is just creepy.

@FICUSULXD189 Год назад

Yeah now that if it's done right (which I doubt) can be an actual ok/good movie!

@ChristopherGonzalez1280 Год назад

That TV show when they did with the fantasy characters, they made Peter Pan as a joker like antagonist. It was brilliant

@BluebirdTrainProductions 10 месяцев назад

Rhys Frake Waterfield will not use the Disney's Version, he would use the Paramount's version, 1911 or 1904 (The Paramount's version had enter in public domain in 2020, that version was published in Dec 29th 1924, before of new year 1925)

@hongchris Год назад

Matt actually had such a good opportunity to use the the Fine bros “react” trademark attempt to help explain why you can’t trademark ideas like “theory” 😂

@mr_indie_fan Год назад

Trademark* you said the wrong term.

@hongchris 10 месяцев назад

@@mr_indie_fan correction taken 🫡

@Mugboi2346 4 месяца назад

I actually have a good pitch for a steam boat Willie game ok so It’s starts on steamboat Willie cutscene yk when he’s whistleing and then Mickey mouse (steam boat Willie) sinks down in ink And he sinks back up in a ware house kind of with these inky guys kind of like the lost from bendy and the ink machine and the lost one explains that If he doesn’t beat the evil Pete (from steamboat Willie who also escaped) he will be forgotten so it’s up to them to stop him (ps it would be like a paper Mario and Cuphead game

@user-zz7hu2mo5h 4 месяца назад

2:43 He is now part of the public domain

@r_puff Год назад

learned about this from someone talking about how harry potter would have gone into the public domain with some of those older laws, but it’s good to see matt spreading the info to a wider audience here. gah, i just wish people were allowed to be creative and not be afraid of the stupid mega corporations like disney and WB.

@herowither12354 Год назад

You are allowed to be creative. By making new characters.

@r_puff Год назад

@@herowither12354 and you should also be allowed to be creative with works that are getting older. and not have to wait like 150+ years to work with the characters, just because corporations are greedy.

@herowither12354 Год назад

@@r_puff I do think it does get a little much, I think it should be like, 100 years after publication, no matter when the creator dies. But also, besides that, I don't believe there is a single character that's over 100 years old that you cannot use.

@elizabethhearts3401 Год назад

@@herowither12354 if jk Rowling dies sometime after 2038, there will be

@ttmfndng201 Год назад

@@herowither12354 100 years is a really long time

@WynneL Год назад

As someone who was nicknamed Winnie the Pooh as a small child (due to my name being somewhat similar), I cannot tell you how weird this is. Even weirder than it is for everyone else.

@janetstreet7264 Год назад

😢

@YellowStickmanAnimations 4 месяца назад

How does that give you a status to say how weird this is, its not even weird? You just hear the name and what?

@AGurlWithADream 3 месяца назад

Me watching this in 2024 🤠👍

@Acoustic_Pineapplr Месяц назад

Same lol

@maricelagarcia7453 Месяц назад

SAME

@mei.hogaraka 27 дней назад

Same 😅

@dbzmaster1213 Год назад

Might not be bad for some properties where the people in charge clearly won't listen to fan feedback or desire. Fan-based versions of our favorite characters that do them more justice than the original could also be a thing.

@yeayeh Год назад

Omg i actually need to thank matpat for this. I thought i would be confused asf while he was talking about copyright and trademark laws, but its actually far from it. Seriously, Matt has a strange gift to explain things so well. Thank you for teaching me and keeping me entertained in the process. Peace.

@brycediener Год назад

it would be interesting to see a follow up episode of this talking about how companies can lose even their trademark because the wording itself becomes common use. I heard something along the lines of Kleenex does not want their name being used interchangeably with a tissue like, "can you pass me a Kleenex" and really you are just asking for any type of tissue paper. When a company's word is used for the generic meaning of that word those companies can lose the rights to that word itself. If we started using "mickey" to refer to every mouse we see I wonder if the same would be true.

@thexp905 Год назад

Google, for the longest time, was trying that same argument actually. They lost it though, Google is now a word equivalent in meaning to "search" It's also why you got the "why don't you Bing it?" ads for a while, as they were trying to push their name more into the public eye, whilst not losing it, as they could trademark the term because of the ads.

@ScooterinAB Год назад

Yep. This is a real problem with corporate language. I can't remember the name of it, but it is a real process and something that erodes trademarks. I don't think they necessarily lose the trademark though. It just makes it harder to defend certain uses of it. This is sort of how Donkey Kong exists. Kong is just a term in Japan for a gorilla (that and Universal claimed the character was in public domain so they could use him).

@Milo-ov9jl 4 месяца назад

I’m watching this 4 days after Mickey Mouse was entered the public domain and there are already horror movies and games on Mickey Mouse

@chickenpi8938 Год назад

Me and my friend went to see this, and it was… interesting to say the least. It was mostly just gore and brutal death scenes. The acting and plot was horrible, but the murder scenes were traumatizing-

@TheAeris07 Год назад

I was surprised the budget was so small. They did a good job with the gore. The beginning was the best part and would make a better movie. Seeing the characters becoming insane from starvation.

@_Justaperson__ Год назад

Ironically I kept telling my friends "someone should turn Disknee movies into horror movies" can't believe someone actually did that LMAO

@SpiffyChannel Год назад

This is way off topic, but I'd love to see a theory on Osmosis Jones, and what kind of real world virus that Thrax could be representing. I think the movie is kind of hinting at Thrax being scarlet fever, given that Frank's symptoms start with a sore throat, the other germs are calling him, "muerte rojo" or Red Death, and he seems to be humming Peggy Lee's "Fever" in one scene. The problem with that theory being that he's referred to as a virus, and scarlet fever is a bacteria. So what virus looks like the common cold, and attacks DNA like Thrax does in the movie? Help! The internet needs Dr. Matpat, M.D.

@MrSailing101 Год назад

Pretty sure they did more than imply, I learned about scarlet fever from that movie.

@taylahballto5205 11 месяцев назад

I’ve never seen the movie but based on the name alone I would have guessed anthrax, BUT that wouldn’t work because it’s a bacterial infection, and you said it was a virus. interesting I have to watch this movie

@eclipseruin8265 Год назад

I've been binge watching every theory channel ever since I stopped 3 months ago due to exams. I'm watching in the toilet and anywhere possible you can imagine. I'm loving this

@ShapesWithoutColors 10 месяцев назад

Concepts can't be copyrighted, as you said. So superman's abilities aren't under copyright. He can fly as soon as soon as his name and likeness are freed up.

@me-myself-i787 Год назад

8:29 I don't think Disney could claim copyright over a public domain character wearing a specific coloured shirt. Same way Holmes's author couldn't sue someone for a warm, caring version of Sherlock.

@RGC_animation Год назад

Well they SHOULDN'T, absolutely, but you know they're going to, they tried to sue a kindergarten for playing a Disney movie, they'll do anything to gain money.

@notmousse Год назад

Disney *can* sue. Disney might win. It *will* hurt. The process is the punishment.

@synderthmc Год назад

They sued a family wanting to use a spiderman gravestone for their kid because it would "ruin his image".

@papiezpp Год назад

They can, because is essential part of their version of specific character

@hybrid3006 Год назад

Innocent child, Disney is a powerful corporation, they would 100% do this

@Shreckster22 Год назад

This theory was legit scarier than the actual movie

@avamiiller5804 10 месяцев назад

Matpat: you yes you without your pants on Me on the toilet: how did he know HOW DID HE KNOW!?!?!?!?

@SurprisinglyDeep 11 месяцев назад

You should do regular Copyright Theory videos, you seem really skilled at making them and they're very interesting.

@thatonepossum5766 Год назад

12:51 Superman? Nah, this is my original character, Superiorman.

@jason4443 Год назад

Superior Man is a real version of Superman. Well, kinda.

@biggerdoofus Год назад

Both copyrights and trademarks have big aspects that Matpat neglected here. For copyright, there's the aspect of "mise-en-scene" (which is similar but not quite the same as the theatre meaning). Basically, only aspects of a work that are sufficiently "expressive" and "original" can be copyrighted, so if something is too mundane or expected, it's not included. This could mean that Superman's other abilities count as long as they're the ones that superheroes tend to have (like flight). There's also the part where new versions of Superman would still get to own new elements that are themselves original (like if you decided that Superman now gets to revive the dead or something). For trademarks, there's both the issue of trademark erosion (when a trademark becomes the generic form for something and thus unable to be a trademark) and whether the use is relevant to the actual purpose of the trademark to begin with. I suspect the steamboat willy frames won't actually infringe unless used in thumbnails, since they don't actually work to identify a source if they're in the middle of an animation.

@deadersurvival4716 Год назад

He literally did cover that. He literally went out of his way to cover the first point. With the copyright, he explicitly calls out that you can't use the from Winnie the Pooh, but you can have a generic kid, talking bear, pig and donkey having adventures in a forest. With trademark, that's irrelevant, as the Superman logo and crest are both already trademarked, and would be renewed with everything else, and that's for things like when names of a specific product get accepted as general lexicon. For instance, the hoover vacuum is the basis for the phrase "hoovering" to become synonymous with vacuuming. The company can't go after you for using them interchangeably, but they can come after you if you try to make a vacuum named the "hoover vacuum".

@biggerdoofus Год назад

@@deadersurvival4716 Generic kid, talking bear, etc. aren't the parts I was talking about. Those the ideas before being fleshed out. Mise-en-scene as I understand it is more that the parts that are too common within the fleshed out version. That's why I gave the example of superheroes having flight extremely often, as that would make a good case for a public domain version of Superman being able to get flight as well. It's not that flight is generic, it's that it's ubiquitous within the genre. As for the trademark thing, trademark erosion isn't stopped by already having something trademarked, nor is the actual usage of the trademark irrelevant. Consider this: would DC really be able to stop an artist from showing an S on superman's shirt in the middle of a comic book if the reader has to buy the book to see it?

@ScooterinAB Год назад

I suspect that the expression of those frames in that fashion as it forms a logo is where the trademark will stop. The frames themselves are all fair game, as would be any film that uses them. You just won't be able to reproduce Disney Animation's logo.

@deadersurvival4716 Год назад

@@biggerdoofus Incorrect, because if they're common with the "fleshed out version" then you haven't really fleshed anything out. You're just taking advantage of basic expectations. If something is still generic in it's topic (a superhero with flight or high tech machinery), then giving something in that topic the generic abilities is still just generic. Giving a superhero flight or high tech doesn't make it fleshed out, because, as you said, they're practically standard. And if it's standard and generic, you can't copyright it. Correct, trademark erosion isn't stopped by having something already trademarked, but protecting something that you already have trademarked is excessively easier than trying to get a trademark. And yes, the actual usage is VERY relevant. On top of that, your actual question is also a "yes", and there's MANY evidences and examples that they not only can, but will, as that's happened with MANY knockoffs of Superman that already exist. There's a reason that all the knockoffs that exist don't use that symbol, and in a lot of cases, outright do whatever they can to rename the character, to put a different letter, and different design there.

@AstralDragn Год назад

That last point was huge recently because Google didn't want people to use 'google' to mean 'look something up', if it fully became meaning synonymous to that, it would not be possible for Google to keep their trademark on, well, google.

@stupid2735 9 месяцев назад

Dude I was literally on the toilet when he said "you, without your pants on"

@Firerider2002 4 месяца назад

Well we’re here in 2024 and it looks like everyone’s right, the steam boat willie version of mickey mouse is now in the public domain

@cinimonnor6379 Год назад

1:48 I’m in the bathroom right now and that joke made me more scared than the movie did

@LONELYL0SER Год назад

DUDE SAME

@BlueFoxPunch Год назад

Me too man I'm terrified

@m1germsy784 Год назад

I'm literally commando in my bed right now💀

@selimide9993 11 месяцев назад

me too man

@user-bf8ly8vt4g 10 месяцев назад

Bro I started looking for cameras 😂😂😭😭 1:50

@etfo25 Год назад

9:35 Surprised MatPat didn’t mention Brightburn considering it’s basically a horror style retelling of a childhood Superman.

@extrax48 7 месяцев назад

4:35 If only this video existed before the whole REACT copyright thing some years ago XD

@heckaboo 4 месяца назад

Can't wait for the Mickey Mouse horror movie (or analog horror series) to become a thing one day.

@miken2779 4 месяца назад

They’ve already released a trailer for a horror game using Mickey. Lol only one day into it being in the public domain

@heckaboo 4 месяца назад

@@miken2779 I already knew that, and it was the fastest speedrun for an adaptation of a public domain character.

@lightningjadejavier 4 месяца назад

Wait what??? It's already getting a horror film??? 😂

@heckaboo 4 месяца назад

@@lightningjadejavier Not yet

@lightningjadejavier 4 месяца назад

@@heckaboo so uhhh i literally just saw a trailer for a horror game about it 😂

@jeffthomas9768 Год назад

I swear I heard matpat's voice change @11:20 . Is anyone else noticing this? For two theories now I heard a change. it's slight, but it's there. I don't think it's bad or anything like that, just something I noticed. So be aware if Mat talks more about AI voice scripts, I think he's already using them and testing the waters. I see you, Matt.

@Iknowveryclever Год назад

Ya, I noticed it two. You're not crazy 😅 But I just thought that many he had gotten sick when he was recording these scripts and it wasn't extreme enough to warrant someone else do them.

@Fiz1zy Год назад

The difference between voices sounds like his voice got more snuffled, I think he might have recorded two halves of the video at different times, and got sick somewhere between those two halves

@savanahlynntaylor1460 Год назад

I thought I was going crazy as I didn't see anyone else say anything until I found this comment. Glad it's not in my head

@Dino_Boy.01 Год назад

The movie intro in that creepy drawing form was so amazing. Made you feel bad for them and it kinda made me feel like it would have worked as a short film 🤷🏾‍♂️

@rahbeeuh Год назад

Definitely would've been better as a short film.

@cjgamer6356 Год назад

@@rahbeeuh Yes I agree

@TylerTMG Год назад

The thumbnail terrified me

@TylerTMG Год назад

I'm glad it wasn't nighttime

@nogoodatpvp 4 месяца назад

Mickey is in public domain! Edit: and Tigerr.

@odpalowyteo Год назад

9:06 And the kangaroos?

@coral8164 Год назад

I think Disney's biggest fear is losing 💰💰💰

@coral8164 Год назад

@Jack Wrath thank you for this, I couldn't breathe for 7 years until you gave me this video. You saved my life.

@Labyrinth6000 Год назад

And DeSantis is making sure that happens 🤣

@BlueDauntless Год назад

@@Labyrinth6000 Nope. Just changed the names. Disney is fine

@orangeslash1667 Год назад

@@BlueDauntless Fun Fact: the reason why Disney will not have a Tarzan remake is because Disney no longer owns the rights to Edgar Rice Burrough books series that the film is based on. It's now public domain.

@sakurapablo671 Год назад

Reminded me of Phantom of the Opera, where everyone is writing their own Phantom story, but taking place after the story is said is done or changing part of the ending for our own amusement. Including a different version of Phantom of the Opera or beginning origin story.

@jamiealmenning-lland8805 3 месяца назад

Matpat? How did you know that I wasn't wearing any pants?

@Owl_Delicious88 Месяц назад

FilmThoery I don't ever see it! But I hope you see this one day! My teacher in Choir class is going through copyright laws. She used this video!!! Me and my friend were so happy and excited!!!! I love you guys and hope you keep going strong despite the haters!!! And thank you so much for the video!! Mat Pat have a wonderful retirement!!!

@vashvalentine5674 Год назад

This explains so much how Brightburn became a “Superman” villain origin story and they still were able to make it without problems. It wasn’t the best movie but at least I know how they were able to make it. Thank you Film Theory! Learning a new thing every week!

@nenmaster5218 Год назад

Mattpat just casually criticizes it but if its solid criticism fused with fun, its way better. Try the Marvel-Parody 'Some More News' does and maybe after that his more-serious video about Media-Mergers and Disney.

@GZP1023 Год назад

Literally did not reference anything about superman in that movie. It was slightly similar and had nothing to do with public domain genius

@TheRezro Год назад

I have theory that James Gunn proposed Warner to make Ultraman movie (I mean, evil Superman from DC's Earth 2). They refused, so they make few changes and make it anyway. Then they hired him.

@superluigi9490 Год назад

As soon as a bunch of the more modern depictions of characters are out, I can’t wait for the creepypasta horror movies to be made. It may be somewhat cheesy, but Abandoned by Disney would be an entertaining horror movie.

@cassiewhite879 7 месяцев назад

@TheGalacticCouncil Год назад

17:25 that's my exact thoughts

@Rainamalsshorts 4 месяца назад

Funny that we are now getting a mickey horror movie

@realsalu634 Год назад

An really funny thing about the whole IP law debacle and Disney, is that, in the Chip and Dale movie, the "original Sonic design" character appears in It....but without Sega's permission, as they didn't ask to put Sonic in, just using the legal hoophole of parody

@allanime01 Год назад

I actually was wondering if you were going to tackle this Theory because I was looking into it myself when I was going back explaining to someone about how Disney constantly changed copyright law to protect their ownership of Mickey Mouse. Happy to see you address it!!!

@phoenixfairi8979 11 месяцев назад

Matt Pat :..."yes you sitting at home without your pants on". Me (sitting at home with no pants on): 😨 *whispers* He knows!

@johnecker 4 месяца назад

3:56 "before we get started"

@kieravalerie3365 Год назад

If Sherlock Holmes is in the public domain, someone could legally publish johnlock fanfic

@bleedingheartcreative Год назад

Depends it would have to be based off the original Conan Doyle

@kaylieghskorner9650 Год назад

I appreciate the companies bravery to make a horror movie all about Xi Jinpin-I mean Winnie the Pooh.

@davirpgamer1868 Год назад

-1000 social credit score

@notjebbutstillakerbal Год назад

@@davirpgamer1868 oh bother.

@loveja1234 Год назад

Like the NBA, I welcome the Chinese censors into my home and into our hearts. I too love money more than freedom and democracy. Xi doesn't look just like Winnie the Pooh at all. Long live the Great Communist Party of China! May this autumn's sorghum harvest be bountiful!

@kartikiyer-3335 4 месяца назад

Who is here after Mickey and Minnie have official entered public domain? Jan 1st 2024

@hamzahnurreez8420 4 месяца назад

Sadly matpat was right,they only give us steamboat willies.

@Draconic_Lorecraft Год назад

Honestly, as a new creator, this terrifies me, as I have a serious trigger and paranoia about people taking my dedicated work and creations, and the fact I can lose all of it and it be possibly warped is truly horrifying

@ttmfndng201 Год назад

Copyright now lasts for 70 years after your death, so there's really no need to worry lol What's more horrifying is how a corporation can keep the rights for a character for such a long time

@Kaitou1412Fangirl Год назад

Like the comment above said, you'll be long dead at that point, and even if you're worried about someone Velma-izing your work, most original fans are probably going to hate it with a burning passion. Just ask any veteran fans from Star Wars to Final Fantasy about newer series entries. I, as another creator, am personally more worried about some schmuck finding my unpublished stuff and cutting ahead to publish it first. I spent the better part of my life on that stuff, and I would die if it was taken from me. But maybe that's my paranoia talking.

@Draconic_Lorecraft Год назад

@@Kaitou1412Fangirl Idk, kinda same with me in that last part.

@NorthernNorthdude91749 11 месяцев назад

Ownership shouldn't exist. Your work should not be your own. Don't like others interperetations? Too bad.

@user-it2kq4ty9q 11 месяцев назад

@@NorthernNorthdude91749 bad opinion

@nobod2567 Год назад

2:48 South Park clip that I liked how you used

@latexu9589 Год назад

16:37 That animation is most likely NOT the original animation from Steamboat Willie, because it should be followed by Mickey pulling the strings for the boat whistles right after he has finished whistling. That was not included in the new logo, so it must've been new animation, but in the style of the original.🤔

@thebananaspeedruns9275 4 месяца назад

Welp Steamboat Mickey Mouse is joining the horror trend

@BernieIsHere_ 3 месяца назад

The posters from steamboat willy are in public domain now though, so the characteristics on those posters you can use too.

@Sneaky_Sloth Год назад

Winnie the pooh getting a horror movie is wild

@MaybeMelon69 Год назад

Im friends with Craig who plays winnie the pooh 😂 he's not even an actor, he's an engineer and martial arts instructor

@TylerTMG Год назад

It made 4.1 million (it took 100k to make) so it's pretty good

@phoenx8435 Год назад

@@TylerTMG not a great film tho

@BlueDauntless Год назад

And that’s why it exists!!!! It’s like Sharknado. Totally stupid, but people still want to watch it

@TylerTMG Год назад

@@phoenx8435 but it did pay fo itself

@TheSummerChu Год назад

I mean, this is why Herlock Sholmes exists. Sherlock, as we know him, cannot be used because of these ideas, but then someone got a really good idea to make a knock-off Sherlock who was much more like later depictions of Sherlock. Thus, Herlock Sholmes became the main-stay name for "Sherlock, but not really" characters.

@xelasaysyay9803 Год назад

My favorite is Homelock Sheers and Wat Johnson from The contemporary at the time, Arsen Lupin series. absolute mockery built from a copyright claim from arthur conan doyle himself when the author included sherlock in the first book. the books are in the public domain if you want to see the iconic gentleman burglar Lupin!

@pugpower7899 7 месяцев назад

I could still see something. Steamboat Willie being useful specifically on RU-vid for those people that had to change the name like it never showed up on screen but like when they were telling the story like them just being able to say it without having to change or make a slight altercation would probably be incredibly useful