Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth - Aerith Death Scene 

lol they stole HAPPINESS FROM ME!!!

Broooo I just lived that moment live as I’m commenting lol. It still on pause

THAT'S THE WRONG NUMBER.😂

​@@cloudxz92"I'm not a rapper"

I believe they saved her in one time line at least.

And riding a golden Chocobo to find Knights of the round materia

snoboad?

U ain't funny blud

Can't wait for Cloud to be in a wheelchair geeking out like an Alzheimer's patient

oh look we got an expert here@@German_Gains

As someone with little FF7 knowledge Sephiroth went from this god-like entity that truly seemed like he was just above everyone, to in rebirth just being a pouty pest who acted like the quiet kid in class who was able to find an AR-15 and was into nonconsensual puppy play.

@@DropoutJerome you didnt have to write that you had very little knowledge about ff7. we can tell.

@@AliHamza-sv4ni ok 🤓

@@DropoutJerome "As someone with little FF7 knowledge" yeah that checks out

@@Alucard-mj6yj please explain how that checks out, correct me, if you can.

We did. He had it blocked out. They'll amplify it in the third game like they will the flashback at the start of Rebirth.

Yeah, there's a lot of things I like about this version but not having cloud speech is kinda sad, I hope we'll have to see the real scene, (because this one seems to be from cloud pov) in the third game. Even if cloud can still see her, I think as players we get to see her "alive" too much after the scene (like during the last fight and when cloud tell her to wake up) and it makes the scene less impactful and sad imo.

They'll probably start out part 3 with a cinematic of this.

He will say it if Aerith dies in his hands, for now, at least in his eyes, Aerith isn't dead. As such, you won't heard it. Furthermore, pay attention to the titles, Remake, Rebrith, and Reborn. Who was been rebrith in this title, who will be reborn in the next?

The whole scene is muddled. In the OG the focus is on her death and her Theme. they really should have just had Aerith's theme playing throughout the whole scene like in the OG until the fight transitions to part 2

😂😂😂 Frfr. This totally explained how I felt too. I had one tear and I was like… “wait… this doesn’t feel right, I’m supposed to be bawling!”

Same man, same.

The boss fight was too long, it damages heavily the pacing of the scene. They should have just left it at fighting jenova.

That's because you're stupid. Sephiroth is the original Sephiroth going back in time and fucking with key events in his own past to break time and control it. It's not that complicated.

Same. The game lost me with this moment and made me start believing we wouldve been better off with an actually remake instead of them ruining a perfectly good story. The impact just isnt there as it was in the original.

Yeah, they lost a friend. Barret was a close friend, and while Tifa was a best friend to her.

Because cloud thinks she is alive lol

That; "I'll kill you." was from a tormented soul, and it pained me to see Barret that hurt.

💯

Tifas reaction is fucking insane from an animation standpoint

Exactly. This is Final Kingdom Fantasy Hearts...

tetsuya nomura moment Edit: [you owe me a pizza joke]

I understood that reference!

*_GODDAMMIT_*

​@@danica1227nomura only did the character designs like the original 😭 why is everyone hating on him

Wait this game has 3 timelines going at the same time? I havent played the original 7 either, i just knoe this happens and i was wondering if she dies in this game too or they changed it out of curiosity

@@camello321 im just speculating, no definitive answer right until part 3

​@dekaynine6347 there are many timelines, the infinities is what sephiroth talks about, there's three maybe 4 different types of stamp. Timeline where zack goes for aerith, goes for biggs, goes for cloud. They info dumped way too much in the final chapter and it takes away from the scene. In my opinion. Still can't looking forward to 3 though

I mean in one he mourns aeriths death and cries, where as the other I think he does the speech we all know from the moment

There is no "timeline" question anymore. That it's all worked by Jenova, Cloud is so messed up that he is starting preparing field for his imaginary Aerith. Timelines are infinite, and Jenova is making Cloud see through all those other Clouds' that could exist. Yes, it involves timelines but just for exposition, because storytellingly speaking they become less-important now.

But then there's that line Aerith says at the start of the final fight vs Sephiroth: "Cloud, I saw what you did back there ... thank you". This makes the whole "Saving Aerith was all in Cloud's mind" theory precarious.

Except, that Red XIII sensed Aerith.... Uh ohhh. there goes your theory out the window. lol

I've had a change of heart thanks to re-watching Tifa & Cloud in the Lifestream sequence near the end of the OG FF7. Tifa was able to see Cloud's false memories of Nibelheim when he assumed Zack's identity. In Rebirth, Tifa has already been in the Lifestream and what she saw with Aerith being bloody/not bloody is the same scenario: Tifa seeing false memories created by Cloud's mind to avoid the mental trauma of the event. Aerith's words that I referenced in the above post could also be seen in the same context -- she's seeing the false memories created by Cloud's mind and knows that if he could have acted to save her, he would. That .. is what she might be thanking him for. The false memory of saving Aerith sets up AC nicely as it directly addresses the guilt he feels all throughout the movie until the very end when Cloud tells Aerith "I let you die" and later, she flat out tells him "I never blamed you ...not once."

It's a good thing they rewrote beheading her in the remake.

what happen?

​@@sbj6781I think the implication is he used it already. He used to stop Sephiroth's attack and doesn't have it even after the timeline correction.

@@dannylopez5976or that because Aerith still appears alive to him, so he isn’t as pissed off as the rest of the party

@@dannylopez5976 The implication is that Cloud is convincing himself that Aerith isn't actually dead. He's constructed a reality in his mind, the scene we see initially, where he saved her. The rest of the party have full limit breaks as they are furious about her death, but Cloud is still in denial. That's also why everything is so unsettling at the end where the party is broken but Cloud is still bizarrely relaxed talking to an Aerith no-one else can see. The main questions are whether that Aerith he sees are just a coping mechanism or a Jenova illusion in an ironic reversal of how Sephiroth was trying to convince Cloud about Tifa being a fake.

Because his imaginary friend Aerith communicated with Cloud and consoled him. His gauge is emptied afterward. But if the Lifestream works as suspected, that term "imaginary" is as "real" as anything.

Wdym. Cloud's seeing into the opposite timeline; Jenova isn't making Cloud hallucinate

@@tg.tyrant2302_ Cloud's complete Character is a fake from Jenova Cells and his Wishes.

⁠@@tg.tyrant2302_how do we know clouds seeing into an alternate timeline? only HE is seeing these alternate timelines, not like the other characters are (this whole alternate timeline thing could be emphasizing how fucked up clouds mind really is)

@@dangerousdoings8066well they’re pretty much in the OG timeline, Aerith is death, that’s 100% confirmed, cloud’s mind is just so fucked up he didn’t wanna probably accept that she’s dead, that’s why all the other party members immediately knew what’s up, they knew she died, a good indicator is when you actually fight Jenova, everyone but cloud has their limit, in a way, they’re pissed, angry, sad, grieving, but cloud doesn’t wanna accept the fact that Areith is dead so he doesn’t really loose his shit here, but it’s implied that his mind is so fucked up. Yeah there’s probably a timeline thing that Numora probably did but that’s what I took away from this.

Oh! That would be soul destroying if that does happen. So Sephiroth was the one who manipulated Cloud and us to thinking that Zack is alive, basically?

Yeah, she lost a best friend...

Yeah and Cloud's speech is so painful to hear with such great VAs... An no wait. They cut it.

animation team went nuts

@@marinomele4575the speech is being saved for part 3. ETA 2028 confirmed or 2029 for ps6 exclusive.

lol this dude didn't understand the ending@@marinomele4575

Here, I will give you another perspective. No, timeline stuff here in this scene, just same old Cloud’s mind is fucked up beyond believe. Every scene with rainbow filter (Cloud block the sword, Aerith didn’t get stab but somehow fall down to the ground, Aerith somehow woke up to comfort Cloud after Sephiroth spill the blood on his blade at him to mock him), all those scenes are in Cloud’s mind, his fantasy, what he cope so hard he believe it’s reality. On the other hand, every scenes with glitching effect or scene with no rainbow filter, all of those are what really happen, hard cold and bloody reality, something that Cloud wasn’t strong enough to face just yet. 5:09 This scene where it show what happen from perspective of Barret, Tifa and the gang, you can also see pool of blood under Aerith’s body, the girl is dead still in Cloud’s arms and of course…no rainbow filter to be seen.

@@VeryNormalGuy9I think you could be right but I’m just a little confused on the last part where it shows Barrett’s pov, aerith is still touching clouds cheek

@@tune-iw9qoIf you notice, it flashes back and forth between her hand being bloody and not being bloody. In reality, Cloud is holding Aerith's hand up to his cheek. In Cloud's mind, she reached up to touch him herself.

@@AgentNounoh I see, tysm

@@VeryNormalGuy9 hehehe, i thought i was only one with this theory...all i read on internet is just marvelmultiverse kids, coz multiverse and timetravels are so popular now. But in actual reality, nothings been confirmed. What I see, is same as you. Just the mind of a crazy schizophrenic cloud who belongs in a psych ward, his mind if glitching and pulling tricks on him. What we see, and what he sees, is not reality. But he makes stuff up along the way as he sees fit. He is on very high dosage of copium. Same way he didnt know who zack was. And suddenly in nibelheim he sees zack drowning. He is making it up as he goes along. Theres many arguments for this theory. 1) when we see aerith dying and talking to cloud, thats not what tifa saw. Tifa saw a motionless and covered in blood aerith. 2) theres hints from sephiroth as well. He clearly tells cloud that cloud cant see the reality becoz his eyes are "clouded"...and in the final battle, he even clearly tells cloud "is this even reality"...and cloud is like "those tricks dont work on me anymore"...game is throwing us so many curveballs, we are supposed to not believe sephiroth anymore. But what if this is actually the truth. The final fight in remake and rebirth are happening inside his head, and mind. Theres no sephiroth other than sephiroth cells in him, that he is battling with and he is imagining "aerith" joining him for the fight... 3) sephiroth kills aerith. his mind glitches into thinking he saved her. But than the materia started falling and his mind glitches again into her talking to him. 4) the scene where zack and cloud in different worlds are winning and both waving the sword and saying the same words...at first i thought it was supposed to mean some brother/friends stuff...but what if it actually is trying to show us that there is no zack. theres just 1 person doing the motions and saying the words? 5) aeriths body is sunk into the lake like in the og 1997 game. ff7rebirth did not show us this, deliberately. but they were sitting near the lake mourning for a reason. but clouds mind glitches and we see her sitting next to him. 6) endscene, only he can see her. his mind is telling him, she is not dead. and only he "can see her". the "others cant" but thats becoz she is from another dimension/ world... 7) only he can see the rift becoz the rift doesnt exist. his mind is tricking him so he has purpose to continue the journey. to chase sephiroth. 8) he doesnt have the white materia. it fell into the lake. he has the black materia. his mind glitches into thinking its white. its special. its from aerith. aerith gave it to him. when he snaps into reality for a split second and sees it is black materia, his mind instantly glitches again. 9) final conversation with aerith...all her lines are lines that she spoke before in remake and rebirth. not a single line is new. exactly how a person remembering someone who is gone, can only remember lines that that person used to say before. not new lines. either that, or they didnt wanna reveal the ending to aeriths voice actress so she didnt had any endgame lines and they recycled some early lines for ending.

Aerith does say that she's going to keep praying at the end, so it'll probably turn green later.

Aerith has to die so the planet can live, the lifestream needs a guide. Cloud saved her, but the whispers made her die anyway, thats why she says thank you.

@@Intoxicatedmetaisn’t the opposite because when she was in coma the whole planet started to fall apart

lol the earth said they aint worthy of saving...yet. keep going seph. im rooting for ya.

The thing about summoning Holy is that it can only be done within the life stream.

Would you look at that...huh!

i'm playing with my tears

I finished last night this and cosmo canyon had me crying my eyes out. What a game!

I thought the scene was very poorly executed but the music score is just heartbreaking, it is the best composition of that song I've heard, it hits like a truck. Especially when the strings come in during the boss fight. What they needed to do was reduce the boss length, I think that damages the scene. I spent about 1hr fighting bosses which is about 45 minutes longer than any other battle.

@@nathanscott2871 I will agree the ending boss fight to this game did kinda hurt that scene. There was way too many stages. I’m hoping we get the cloud speech in part 3 where he said she can’t laugh, cry or get angry.

@@MyUnitProcess when I replay in preparation for three I will be slapping it on easy for sure! It will help speed up that ending. To be honest one sephiroth fight would have been enough (would rather none) but the jenova fight with the music was great! Just all the fights after mess it up.

EXACTLY how it went down for me

I actually disliked this as it was a bit too jarring. I think if they reversed the glitching it would have been better I mean if we see her bloodied dead version and as cloud goes to speak it glitches to a clean version of her, then back to dead, then as he says wake up it glitches to the clean version where she opens her eyes. The gang run up and see the bloodied version but it glitches and shows cloud is in his delusional broken world at this point. But the worst part of it is the boss fights, took me an hour and apart from jenova the rest felt disconnected for me and because they weren't easy it interrupted to heavily the tone they were trying to set. At least for me that is. Great ideas, but poorly executed or at least could be executed better.

I was crying as well. Though I feel like it's kind of perfectly set up for her to come back at some point in the third game probably, especially with zack telling cloud to save her. Chances are cloud made another timeline by trying to block sephiroth's attack on aerith, given the effect used after he blocked it

@xmant8842 well the world state will be ready for advent children, confirmed by the writers. She is dead in advent children. I personally love how refreshing and different it is to have a strong fan favourite character die. Well I hate it but I love it. She is better as a character you wished lived rather than actually living, much like zack. It also allows for the game to make the player experience every emotion even the bad ones, from anger and sadness to happiness and joy. By removing her death you remove some of the emotional connection the player has to the game.

it was confusing because cloud is in denial that she's dead.

its because cloud couldn't accept it. Its sort of the same thing with Zack when he got thrown away in the waterfall. Its why sephiroth said you'll never see the truth with the such clouded eyes as he's .

were seeing cloud make more fake memories, he'll completely break down in the finale, part 3. also sephiroth really be flirting with cloud

I thought I was the only one!!!!

damn

I thought I wrote this but you did. Totally agree

Agreed

This is beautifully well thought out. I was extremely at a loss to the emotional impact of Aerith’s death but “He’s the epitome of an unreliable narrator” really helped me to connect the dots especially when you can see flashes of what was suppose to be vs. what we are seeing.

@@reimichachaFor sure! Whether this setup pays off or not definitely depends on what they do in Part 3, but they haven't done us wrong so far imo, so I'm gonna let them cook! I thought it was also a good way to keep some surprise and emotional intrigue for people who knew what was gonna happen to Aerith. Aerith's death is practically unavoidable in the video game sphere; even people who have no idea what Final Fantasy's about have probably seen or at least have heard about Aerith's death, so at least for me, I probably wouldn't have had a big response to it here other than "that sucks, but it was expected". However, with the way they handled it, I now am WAY more invested purely because I don't know what they're gonna do with this moment going forward, so it kinda rekindled my intrigue in this part! They were going for a different emotion here compared to the original, so it's almost hard to compare them despite being essentially the same plot point, but I thought it was super interesting. Cloud's schizophrenia and broken mental state were always super interesting to me, so I was super glad that they're leaning into it here. It's gonna hit hard if they make Cloud accept her fate in Part 3!!

@@GenesisJames I remember when the game was still in development, I forget who but someone in an article stated that they were nervous about whether or not players would get the ending of Rebirth and if they would be satisfied with it. Gotta say; their feelings are so valid lmao cause now I’m right there with ya, super excited for what they’ve got planned for part 3!

you missing a lot. An italian buffet is 1000x times better

The Shock was the Near Fakeout. I just think the mystery could have had more time to brew

100% agree. I just finished the game and the whole ending segment dragged on and just kept getting more confusing. Aerith is still with everyone at the end, even speaking to Cloud like nothing, it's just everyone else can't see her. Way to completely cheapen the DEATH OF A MAIN CHARACTER.

​@user-ju8hg9iq8h Thing is, in Advent Children Cloud was always able to have chats with Aerith, I think Rebirth is playing more into that, so I really didn't mind the part how only Cloud can see her as it still in tune with the established canon. It's the long drawn out boss segment that downplays everything. I mean for crying our loud the way Cloud and Yuffie joke around during the Jenova fight was what really took me out of the moment. YOU ALL SHOULD BE SAD OR MAD!!!!!

@@user-ju8hg9iq8huse your noggin there, champ. Obviously Cloud's mind is screwed up immensely, more so than it was in the og. He coped over Zack's death by adopting what he thought his personality was and forgetting all about what had happened. Here he's coping with Aerith dying by pretending she didn't

@@raidengoodman8754 Dude I understand what happened and what they are doing....I'm saying the way they handled it and played it out was terrible. I didn't feel sad when the moment came, I felt confused....like wtf is going on here??

BASED!

This is more or less my thought on this scene too.

Sephiroth: all according to plan

@@mettatonneoex Zack Fair: The thing with plans is that they are prone to backfire.

@@NordicWiseguy Exactly even if we get the Best timeline all the biggest threats are going to be let loose. The Planet loves Fate and Aerith and Sephiroth go directly against it's wish

No they have, they can just understand why that's stupid and a massive cancerous blight on the story

with regard to the "Sephiroth is a time traveler" fan theory: If this was true, why would he say "Seems I've underestimated you"?

Basically wants to be omega god over all of time and space instead of just 1 planet in 1 time

@@robertbrighton9797 "What if Sephiroth was more like Ultimecia?" was certainly not a question I ever wanted a Final Fantasy writer to ask.

​@@blueblazer9991cope

In reality, Aerith is dead. In the alt timeline, Aerith is alive... as well as Zack.

They are just illusions/copies/manifestations of sephiroth not the real deal. Remember in the first game it was just a black robe, the fights with him here are happening in a sort of dreamscape.

He had the high ground he was always gonna win that

In remake it was obvious that he wasn’t fighting seriously, but I think it was different here, after defeating sephiroth, he was pushed back and even on one knee, I think he tried to rush his plans (whatever they may be) by killing Cloud and Aerith then and there, but they proved superior. But he knew it wasn’t over yet so he left. I think the biggest evidence of this is at the end of the fight, no taunting or cryptic statements, he chuckled a little and just left

@@bradkeen9760 He did look pissed off or at least annoyed at the end of the fight. I still think he just left cause he felt like it. The end cinematic in remake duel with Cloud he looked like he was doing some 1% power Freiza stuff with Cloud so unless were supposed to believe Cloud gets a LOT stronger between the end of remake and rebirth I don’t know that it was that Cloud and Aerith bested him.

Sephiroth: Cloud! Have a unlimited edition bowl of “Despair Donbei”

@@Redhead_20567 Cloud: I DONT WANT YOUR DONBEI (Hugs A Dead Aerith)

Yeah, that's what I think too. Cloud being so delusional that he can't accept Aerith died is really interesting to me. The theory of Cloud seeing two timelines at the same time or whatever is ridiculously horrible. Cloud has lost his mind right now, he's all messed up.. If it's revealed that he was right the whole time about Aerith ACTUALLY being there (not just feeling her through the lifestream like Nanaki did or how Barret felt Wedge in the lifestream at Cosmo canyon) would be so stupid. An "I told you so" moment would be BAAADDD, wtf is the point of mental health being a huge theme if he wasn't even wrong..... But Cloud's delusional pov and watching his journey of getting worse and worse until he hits a breaking point where he'll then recover has me hooked.

This game sucks u r coping

@@KatzProductionsYT boo hoo

Yeah, i believe cloud not trusting tifa was a big hint about what might come now with aerith

It Will be when Sephiroth Will Appear and make The Nibelheim memories appears to be created. And It Will convince him (Cloud) and Tifa about this, Just like The OG.

They're probably saving that/Cloud's speech for 3rd game. It's clear Cloud still thinks Aerith is alive so when he truly finds out she's dead it's gonna hit hard and maybe we'll get some flashbacks or smth

I also feel like the scene will appear when Cloud realizes what actually happened. Probably after Modeheim’s scene

The White Materia is used to speak directly with the Planet and once the Planet receives the message, the Materia glows light green. It is used to summon the "Ultimate White Magic", Holy. If it’s still white that means the planet didn’t receive the message. Aerith also said she didn’t know how to pray to the planet. Her mission isn’t done yet Aerith will return in part 3

I think the reason Cloud can see Aerith is because he holds the White Materia. Marlene can see the future that Aerith dies is probably because she was so close with the White Materia when she hugs Aerith. The White Materia probably contains the memory of Aerith of some sort.

The only reason I don’t think she’s alive is because she does actually interact with the others. They just can’t see her. Red Xiii senses her presence though. He wouldn’t sense her if it was a timeline shift. He senses her spirit.

Nah she is spirit in the livestream, its just confusing knowing how convulted they made it.Its why red is the only one who senses her and why barret and tifa think cloud has completely lost it.

So all this multiverse thing is to bring her back in the third game or will it connect to advent children as the developers stated?

Not confused, it’s just stupid

THE MULTIVERSE my friend

​​@@manu200x9 not the multiverse, they use different effects such as white feathers and stamp to showcase multiverse, this is the mind glitching effect from cloud to cope with what's happening. Hence when she reaches for his face it glitches when tifa shows up and its actually cloud holding her dead hand to his face, the start of the chapter is shown in first person perspective, I think this illustrates we are seeing things the way cloud is seeing things. Cloud is heavily in denial and being controlled by sephiroth, we will see the truth of this scene in the 3rd game when cloud regains control of his mind. We will then see what he says in those glitched scenes as they are the reality. We will also see cloud laying her to rest in the lake, another thing cloud blocked out as it doesn't fit the narrative he created. However they are all sat by the lake and cloud thinks aerith is there, however, she isn't. Obviously this is speculation, but the multiverse is temporary and just subversive. Nothing is all that different from the original when you ignore the multiverse stuff.

​@@nathanscott2871Friend I'm using a translator so I'm sorry if you don't understand me in a few words XD. I am guided by the visual, It is seen when Cloud manages to prevent Sephiroth from being killed by the yellow glow when a new reality is created. As happened with Zack Furthermore, it is seen that the position of the sword when it falls is different from when reality is "FIXED" Not to mention when Cloud finally sees Aerith, he sees the sky split. sign that you are seeing another reality that is destined to be destroyed. also the effect of the cloud mind failure It also appears when he can "see the future" as in the remake where he sees Aerith's death and when he tries to remember Zack in Nibelheim's room. My theory is that Cloud can see between realities, either because Sephiroth gave him that ability when they were falling through the worlds or because of the J cells that connect him to Sephiroth.

@@nathanscott2871 It's not multiverse. It's Cloud being completely delusional. Cloud is so broken and traumatized by everything that's happened to him that he's unable to process or understand what's right in front of him. He can't accept reality so his brain is substituting its own. It's completely in keeping with the original story.

@@ElysaraCh No they are using a rainbow effect when different outcomes / options are present. Zack deciding which route to take - to Biggs in Sector 6 or to Hojo in the Shinra building gives that rainbow effect.

Basically yeah. In remake, Zack's timeline was created when they changed fate, and in Rebirth, Aerith's alive timeline was created when Cloud blocked Sephiroth's sword.

The rainbow fog is showing that it's just a delusion Cloud is having. his mind is failing him, as it has been since the beginning.

But why would that timeline be different? They were both right there to stop Sephiroth, why would she die in one and live in the other

Nah she dies, its like she fated to die, just as biggs wedge and jessie, and zack too probably in pt 3 but if u recall the "zack" who choose to save biggs or cloud/aerith gets mobbed by soldiers as well just like his og timeline . Even aeriths alt timeline dies in the church

Yeah I like this theory the best

Yeah, Cid and Barrett happily singing along fixing the Tiny Bronco while everyone else is crying felt kinda weird and wonky😂

The entire game is Cloud reliving it and trying to change things. That's my opinion of why the game is suddenly super goofy, and that party members who were useless in the original are suddenly turning badass.

It’s not that serious.

​@@user-zs7nq2lc8d Stop being so bitter

i guess my mental strength is stronger than boomer then

Wait till third part, who knows what awaits at the end

we werent told no, in fact we were given a canon universe where she survived now. not only that but zack too. hopefully the third game will tackle this.

Maybe... but it's at least interesting that all the scenes with her waking up and talking to Cloud are conspicuously omitted from the ending credits. I wonder what that means? It can't just be that it's in an alternate reality, because the ending credits show a lot of those scenes from alternate worlds/timelines. There's something else going on.

That's what she does in advent children which was unexplained how cloud can interact with her and zack in the film, i think they are just connecting the dots

He heard voices in the original too.. so nothing new here

​@@aloneinthelight7754he also gaslight himself

Best way you could've put it😂

It's way more complicated than that. In short, sephiroth's alien DNA somehow turns him into some metaverse God who can see between universes and shit. He creates tears in the timelines and basically Cloud can see into another timeline where Aerith would've survived.

Naah, her death is one of the best moments in the game (not in a good way but still...). And also never players must also experience the trauma we had 25 years ago. THEY MUST FEEL THE PAIN

It's such a better story with her death, it is a very integral aspect of the cycles of the lifestream and of life in general. And as much as it sucks she died she dies a hero, and with cloud we learn to accept it. Look at zack, he dies a failed hero who never achieved anything of what he desired in life. Hence is dying thought being "was I a hero?" Aerith death also sets cloud down the path of self discovery with the aid of tifa.

They can't.If Aerith survives, Meteor destroys the entire planet. Like it or not, her death was required.

Yes and yes. Also same here. Not sure if I am already mentally prepared, or the lack of the MIDI theme, lol

I think the idea is that they're not necessarily telling THAT story. I interpreted it as Cloud actually did manage to save Aerith, created the alternate timeline, and experienced all of the emotions that went along with that. Which I think is why he is not effected in story or gameplay (all the party members start the fight with their limits ready, but Cloud doesn't). But ultimately, he is pulled back to the OG'ish timeline by the white whispers with all of the memories of saving her intact. It was alluded to in Remake when he shed a tear when he had a premonition of Aerith's death that he could actually feel the emotions from different timelines.

the scene where aerith hands the white material hits harder maybe because of the music, but they changed the vibes with that scene especially with the music probably bc aerith doesn't really die so it wouldnt make sense to make it as dramatic as OG. Ok, she does maybe, but like shes kinda still with us spiritually? idk

It's not you, they stripped the scene of many things: first, we don't even see Aerith being killed. They also removed Cloud's speech afterward, which is a shame in my opinion. And they also removed the iconic scene of Cloud lowering her in water.. so really, in Rebirth's version, there isn't much to be sad about. It's just confusing. Honestly I don't see the point in this remake. They seem to mostly follow OG's progression, and yet they manage to ruin every important scene.

​@@anastasia8214 ok i wouldn't go as far tp say they ruined ALL of the important scene unless youre just talking about aerith's death... they made and did everything else better including the forest scene and others. But hey on the bright side, maybe it will all connect in part 3, the devs had to have a reason to purpose omit most of aerith's death. If they kept everything 1 to 1 then it wouldn't make sense in the "remake" trilogy. Let's just hope they fill in all the gaps in part 3

You stupid there is another timeline, I suppose Zack is in Clouds mind and the empty white material that the Aerith from the other timeline gave cloud was in his mind.

Yes, the entire series is taking place in Cloud's subconscious during his Lifestream swim in the original. It'll probably end with him waking up.

Only Tifa knows what really happened during the Nibelheim Incident.

Agree

You both don't understand that the remake is implying a lot more.

@@gameexpert133 Yes! They sacrificed pacing and drama for implication.

@@gameexpert133stop getting your feelings hurt man it’s a video game lol

@@gameexpert133 I agree, people forgetting that they are building Remake out for 3 parts. OG was final, Aerith is gone and players have to live with it. Rebirth has another purpose which is setting up for the 3rd game. The two cannot be compared.

Where is this third timeline you speak of?

​@@josephhall9457zack's timeline

Yeah they've done the Endgame time travel theory where if you change fate, an entire new timeline is created. This one has a little twist to it though since you basically get cloned if you change fate

I solved this problem at the very start of my playthrough. Music volume and voices at 10 and all of the combat SFX and whatnot at like 5 or 6. The music fucking slaps the entire game ofc I want it blaring in my ears 🗣️

It was sad.

@@BlackStarSeries yeah, it was pretty sad watching them butcher this scene with their multiverse bs.

​@@TheFuckencio15it's really such a disappointment this multiverse bullshit, makes every kind of media so pointless. Marvel, dragon ball and whatever else might be there. Just tell the story in one way, make a point, not this nihilistic bullshit.

@@TheFuckencio15also wasn’t a fan of them cutting off Forgotten Capital’s theme in favour of a Whisper fights.

-10 points from Gryffindor

"you have the downs!"

​@@Desolas_watch out for the pointy bits

Phoenix Downs remove KO status, not revive the dead.

Phoenix downs only work if you're near death. Not dead.

Duh

All stakes are obliterated when you establish that any dead character can be alive in an alternate timeline and come back whenever the plot demands it.

​@kahir8642 the stakes now is Cloud's mental state since seeing Aerith will make it harder for him to come to terms with her dying. Sephiroth can 100% use that to his advantage