Final Fantasy's Return to Turn Based Could Be MASSIVE 

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Square Enix: "Feedback Unclear. So we've decided that FF17 will be a solo-charater action game, developed from the ground up in a new engine. PS6 exclusive, and will feature no party members, no RPG elements, and will be full sci-fi with epic spaceship battles." 6 months later after release Square Enix: "What do the fans even want FF to be? They are always so divided. Perhaps FF18 should be a battle royale game."

I'll be honest, I don't WANT games to move to all active. I WANT my turn based combat.

i am on the autistic spectrum, and action games frustrate me...i get so overwhelmed when things get crazy. i loved FF because it *was* turn based. turn base allowed me to breathe and to absorb the character dev going on. moving to action combat makes it very difficult for me. granted, i'm in the minority and this is my issue, but i certainly won't complain if they go back to turn base.

For decades, I've been arguing about Turn-Based sales versus Action sales, and it never fails that there's someone that argues, "just look at the average sales of Turn-Based games compared to the average sales of Action games, it's really that simple". They COMPLETELY ignore the budgets involved in each side. They see a AAA game drastically outsell a 2D game, and think, "it must be because the 2D game is Turn-Based!" **facepalm** And what a "strange" coincidence that the one Turn-Based series that used to be AAA, also used to OUTSELL Action games...

Getting this video sponsored by Atlus feels like such a power move lmao

The irony of asking "can a turn based game sell in 2024", then you promote a turn based game that will do well, from a studio who had made more legendry turn based games in the last decade than square has. The answer is yes, yes it can, and it will

I find it odd you didn't talk about Octopath Traveler here, if Square Enix can push out Octopath Traveler, a beautiful new IP using the exact turn based style of the old FF games and get 3 million sales, imagine what they could do with the Final Fantasy brand on it. I am BEGGING them to go back to turn based, i simply do not enjoy action RPG's and every FF game thats comes out now feels further away from what made me fall in love with the FF series in the first place

Call me a pessimist, but the main line final fantasy isn't going back to turn based.

ngl i think atlus’ juice team should team up with square enix for a turn based FF17. there is literally no reason for them not to do another turn-based FF; every single argument they have provided against it has been UTTERLY OBLITERATED by multiple counterexamples which blow all expectations out of the stratosphere. it is well past time for FF to be FF again. also i STRONGLY disagree with the notion that FF’s turn-based gameplay was just “tolerated”. yes, there is an audience that was alienated from trying games like FF by the fact that they are turn-based, BUT THERE IS ALSO AN EQUIVALENT AUDIENCE WHO IS SIMILARLY ALIENATED BY ACTION GAMES, and throwing your existing (and feverishly devout) audience under the bus on such a gamble when there’s no guarantee that the game would resonate with the action-based audience is and always was INSANE.

Imagine if FF16 was a party and turn-based game. Having Clive, Jill, Cid, Joshua, Gav, Mid, and Dion as your team.

it's called Turn Based because it's BASED the new Romancing Saga 2 demo is also really good

I'm sorry but how could I pay attention to anything else when I saw the name "Teedussy".

Honestly, I've always viewed this "modern" (or should I say, present) move away from turn-based gameplay to be no different than it would've been back in the 90's. I guess the equivalent, back then, would've been a shift to either Zelda : A Link To The Past's style or your typical side-scrolling action/platformer.... Neither approach would've gone over well back then. And if trying to "fit in for more money" wouldn't have worked then, I really don't understand why they thought it would now. In other words - if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Square carved out for themselves a niche that few could match (not NONE, just... VERY FEW), and many moreso loved - and STILL DO. In my opinion, I think FF15 and 16 would've fared much better if they were simply just 2 games completely separate from the franchise. Like Castlevania : Lord's Of Shadow (1 and 2... maybe not so much the second one). Great games, but not at all representative of what the franchise is, and was built ON PURPOSE to BE and STAND OUT AS, throughout the years. Now, I enjoyed those titles and genuinely appreciated what they brought to the table, but there was a disconnect. Sticking some chocobos and classic music theme collectibles in there does not a Final Fantasy make. That kind of complete overhaul/departure in gameplay/presentation is not "innovation", it's an eradication of "identity", regardless of how well it's executed, or how pretty it looks. Is Final Fantasy becoming the Ship of Theseus? I hope not.

No, this is just trend setting. Atlus isn't successful because Metaphor is turn based, they're successful because they commit to an identity. Rebirth is fine, keep it and iterate and ignore everything else. Accept you won't appeal to everyone Not everyone likes Persona and will buy Metaphor, and Atlus is okay with that

Does a Square Enix game ever meet sales expectations? Wasn't that why they sold of all their western IP? Square Enix always believe they will sell more, constantly sell less and always become disappointed...

I'm playing through Octopath Traveler right now as I see this video. I must say that, there's definitely still a market for turn-based games out there and that part of it will be dependent on the themes and level of maturity in the games themselves.

FF7 remake games are real time with pause. When I started playing Remake, it struck me how funny it was how secretly similar their combat system was to a classic western real time with pause systems from games like classic Baldur's Gate, Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment and especially Knights of the Old Republic. I do think FF7 remake's RTwP variant is actually very great. Once I got used to it, I did indeed feel like I was in control of the whole party. That's the thing I don't love about FF's 15 and 16 is that I don't feel like I'm controlling a party of heroes, but one hero with support NPCs. But yeah, it's not wholly unique unless the only RPGs you've ever played come out of Japan. They just finally invented a thing western RPGs have been doing since the early 90s in their own flashier and more console-focused way. That said, I finally got to really dig in on FF XVI and, taken on its own terms, I think that game is absolutely outstanding. It's a truly badass videogame and only a kind-of-ok Final Fantasy. But particularly as someone who always struggled with execution in Devil May Cry and Bayonetta, I felt the appeal of stylish action combat in full force for the first time in that game and me likey... So whichever way they go in the future, I think I'll be pretty happy myself. Everyone else feel free to fight it out though.

I feel like its riding on expedition 33. If that game succeeds. Then you bet your sweet booty that square enix will make the next entry level somewhat turn base

VII Remake’s combat system in an open world Final Fantasy that has a similar aesthetic to FFIX/ Zelda BOTW. Released day and date multi-platform. I think the world would be all over that.

I'm incredibly excited about Expedition 33 and having a blast with Metaphor right now. Turn based is the refresh we need in the video game industry, back to basics with modern tech, best of both worlds. I agree with you though, the hybrid formula Square Enix developed with FF7R is absolutely incredible and should be preserved.

and this is why i agree with one of Frustrated Jacob's point during the last podcast, let the creative divisions do what they specialize in. ie, one division doing turn based, another doing 7r like battle system, another action based etc etc.. but the biggest part is still finding the "new sakaguchi". they really should pull everything on hold till they have the answer to that.

Honkai Star Rail's combat is a love letter to FFX and does absolutely wild things with those mechanics and it's making tens of millions a month. It's all about the characters, Story and marketing. Rebirths struggles are a bitter pill to swallow as I absolutely loved it but it's a game Lazer focussed on pleasing it's core audience.

4:47 is they key point here. FF16 (or even Rebirth's) "disappointing" sales are not due to it not have turn based combat, and I don't think just making either of them turn based would have made a big difference in sales. Console exclusivity, lack of playable and customizable party members, and toned down exploration and RPG mechanics likely played a much bigger role in FF16's lack of sales.

I strongly believe that the mainstream path-forward for AAA and mid-tier RPGs is the ability to CHOOSE your genre (like in Trails Through Daybreak and Metaphor Refantazio). Someone at Square (I don't remember who) even recently mentioned that they want to give "more ways to play", after the disappointing sales of 16 and 7 Rebirth. I strongly suspect they are going to go down the same route as Falcom and Atlus.

It’s clear as day. It’s plain to see. To everyone, But you and me. Turn based games. Have now finally, Come to be, A fantasy.

FF7R's combat system is the perfect system imo.. just add onto it and use that with a new FF that is not exclusive to one console.

Hit the like button if you'd be super happy having square release rpgs and even the next final fantasy with the same graphics, music, and turn based combat as ff6, ff7, ff8, and ff9!

Octopath travelers sold well there is still a want as long as it is done right.

I’d be happy if every future FF game was like FF7 rebirth.

"Sux cuz it's turn based" is a Game Informer outlook and at that was the start of game magazines being a joke.

Crystal Project is a great example of a retro-style, turn-based RPG that can weave in more modern elements and complexity to make it feel still like classic turn-based combat along with being new and fresh.

ive always been saying final fantasy should be turned based. its just what SE are best at. Look for example at Octopath traveler or bravely default. both have their own unique take on turn based combat and they offer amazing stories and roleplaying options (job(mixing)) for example). its ironic how in their effort to appeal to a wider audience SE seemed to fine to alienate their loyal fanbase. i hope they wake up and return to form when they see how the rumored turn-based ff9 remake pops off

Wholeheartly agree that Retrilogy's combat is the way to go for the future of the franchise. But at the same time, I wouldn't really mind them going back to turn based. I guess what I actually want is for SE to be more consistent, keep iteratating and evolving whatever system they choose in the end.

Square Enix should definitely continue to make action-command hybrid games like FF7R, that have high-end graphics and release on the latest PlayStation and PC day one. But I think they should also be working on a stream of command-based Final Fantasy games that target the latest Nintendo hardware (and can also release on PlayStation and PC for extra sales). Square Enix has tried to funnel off their command-based efforts to other teams, like Team Asano, but those other producers don't want to be limited by the Final Fantasy brand. They clearly need to find someone who is passionate about turn-based Final Fantasy and willing to champion the FF brand. In the meantime, if they still want to explore their character-action ambitions, they need to let Yoko Taro cook his next Nier game with a bigger budget, and perhaps also develop a new IP with Ryota Suzuki building on the work of FF16. Sometimes it seems like Square Enix isn't willing to commit a big budget to a AAA title unless they slap the Final Fantasy name on it, but that leads to fan expectations (multiple playable party members, multiple regions to explore) that they can't really sustain right now. So they need to build a new IP from the ground up if they want to make a single character action game that can compete.

I really like FFX-2 battle system where it was turn based but you could still attack right away, like if an enemy was coming to attack you could kill him before he got to you

Dragon Quest does just fine with turned-based gameplay, in fact, I played DQ 11 for hundreds of hours; and while being turned based may not sell games, not being turn-based has resulted in me passing on many, many, many games…as well as console systems that didn’t offer a descent selection of turn-based titles; i’m all for publishers having a variety of gameplay options in their libraries, even if I’m not going to play everything they make…

FF7R gameplay should be the future of the series. It's way more interesting than traditional turn based and just going back to turn based won't save them.

Please bring turn based back!!!!

Square should really remake Legend of Dragoon. The game is basically what expedition is trying to deliver as rhythm command rpg

FF7 Re Trilogy is the way FF needs to go without being exclusive to one platform. It's the perfect system that the series has ever had

I think turn based JRPGs can still serve a purpose as well in the video gaming industry. Like The Legend of Heroes: Trails series for example. Each new arc in the series they keep improving and adding more to the battle systems, while keeping it familiar. Now we're at a point where the newest arc in the series 2021's Trails Through Daybreak is a hybrid like Metaphor: ReFantazio. It has new mechanics now, but it still knows it's roots. Speaking of the Trails series I recommend that you and the people in the comment section give it a try if you're into video games that are character and story driven, that has the deepest lore, with overarching arcs, and is geopolitical in nature. If you're interested, then I recommend starting with the first game that's called The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky the 1st. It's a remake of the original game Trails in the Sky FC. It's coming out next year and I recommend that you give a try. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0vmMaTcluNo.html

To make a smash hit final fantasy game all they need to do is stick to the formula that made it great: turn based but with innovative systems and tactical fast based battles, an allegorical story that focuses on the classic FF themes of life, death, friendship, mental health, letting go, etc. a highly customisable party system (see jobs) with RPG elements, and a brand new, stylised fantasy world with every entry. They also need to remember it's a GAME. Not a movie with some game inbetween their narrative cut scenes

I’ve been having pure unadulterated fun playing Metaphor this past week. Nobody does side content like Atlus. I love the calendar system, follower bonds, virtue system, side quests and mini dungeons. You get to surf around on your sword for crying out load. It’s incredible! And the combat, (chefs kiss). The entire game is genius

Final Fantasy 10 had best turn based combat ever. Also, it's Pokemon, not Pokeymon

Honestly I think the combat in Rebirth is actually the sweet spot. When discussing sales, there are definitely important factors to consider: obviously launching solely on PlayStation is a devastating blow all its own. Tack on that Rebirth is a sequel to (albeit the best selling) a "niche" Final Fantasy title and we've got a recipe for sales disaster. No one knew out the gates that combat would be doublely better that Remake. It's fantastic for what it is. But also it's still niche, all things considered. I'm a lover of the system, honestly. The addition of synergies with the already fluid action/ATB system was exactly what the game needed.

Yeah I feel like there has been a strong resurgence in turn based combat lately. Especially with many games integrating innovative elements within them. Like I really enjoy how games like Trails Of Daybreak and Metaphor integrate action in their turn based battle system. By letting players do hack & slash combat on the field, to stun enemies and gain the advantage in turn based battle. With the case of Final Fantasy, I definitely think they can pull off a strong turn based battle system. They can easily build off from FFX CTAB, which many enjoyed. And probably add more interactive and some real time elements to it, like we seen in Expedition 33. But if they choose to stick with real time combat, I hope they stick with FF7 Remake’s combat. Because this is their best real time combat by far.

Uh? Well, I did say "I am buying it because it is turn based."

Square never stopped making turned based games though (Octopath and Bravely). I don't think they're basing their assumptions on the market, they're basing them on their own sales numbers. What they need to do is calm the fuck down on those budgets... And just focus on making a fun/good product. Not an expensive one.

I loved ffx's combat style. It's what I wished Ever Crisis went with. Hopefully it will make a comeback now. Especially since it was only ever used in that one game.

Any Final Fantasy game that can give you, like, 10,000 meaningful branching storylines (like BG3) is going to be popular and sell well, whether turn-based or not

Final Fantasy 12 The Zodiak Age I didn't feel was "turn based" when you could get attacked while putting in commands. Felt like it had some weird timer you didn't know the duration of. I played the Tales series games and Y's but I always wanted the final fantasy series to remain turn based. I think they went away from it to change up their formula and maybe attract new players but for me their rich story and character attacks, abilities etc. were why I loved the FF series. We kind of need a return to "why its good" not "why it sells" just my opinion.

Man, stop using Tifa pictures for your thumbnail it's boring now.

It's interesting because I was recently listening to a video about the history of square from ff union and when square first started they were just trying to make trendy games but had a hard time turning a profit and capturing people`s attention. It was when they stopped chasing trends that they finally saw success but somewhere along the line they forgot the lesson and went back to just chasing trends. Hasn't worked out that well. I think it would be fun to see a turn based main line ff but I think it would have to release along side an action based ff to keep the fans from complete outrage. I think you are right about square enix pursuing Retrilogy's combat. I personally loved the combat and it can be evolved in so many ways. If they just threw it away and did something completely different I would feel kind of gutted and might not play future ffs unless they really give me a really good reason to. I enjoyed ff16 combat initially but thought it got boring pretty quickly.

As much as I love original Final Fantasy, I just really hope they don't go back to turn based, Atlus is the master of turn based, so I'm fine when they do it, but enemies and bosses just have so much more impact when you get to combo hundreds of flashy moves against them instead of pressing buttons on a menu, I wouldn't mind them going back, but I don't think it's necessary

Strategy in combat is what's most important, there need to be party members with different strengths and weaknesses, and the player developing those characters and their strategies for combat.

You can put the blame for FF turning to action Tetsuya Nomura. He has been chasing the action gameplay ever since Advent Children came out. The playerbase only has themselves to blame for being massively hyped for Versus XIII/XV for almost 10 years. Square Enix perceived that as people wanting more action, less turn based.

i hope they don't move away from the ff7 remake/rebirth system because i loved it. or at least not dump it entirely based on sales. i also loved the hack and slash aspect of ff16, i just wanted deeper party aspects. i don't think we need to throw anything out, just keep deciding what the best system is for each entry instead of going to the extreme and be like, "that's it, we are doing ALL turn based now"

You know what will make me forgive Squareenix, if after FF7 remake part 3 comes out, they made a 1 to 1 remake of FF7 using the assets from the remake series and have the option to do traditional turnbase combat

The other day, as I was playing through one of the pixel remasters, I thought to myself, “Wouldn’t it be nice if they made a new final fantasy in the same style as these classics?” I know the graphics aren’t going back to that, but it would be nice if they went back to turn based. Don’t know if anyone else feels the same.

How about talk about the actual report instead of half quoting it out of context? The report never said that. In that section of the report, it said sales for that division were low in spite of the ff16 release. But in that statement it also mentioned foamstars release. The point which is elaborated on later in the report, is that sales weren’t producing the profits they wanted for their games, but that it wasn’t because of ff16 or rebirth, it was because of the other games in the product line. So then the board asks why they have such a large product line and if it causing issues with OVERALL profits, are they slimming down. They clarified that the fan base has diverse interests ranging from blockbuster games to indie games and they are working to slim the product line down. They actually clarified that year over year, ff16 actually increased overall revenue. But the lack of profits from other products decreased overall profits. They also were talking about net operating income which is income after expenses and they clarified two categories of unexpected expenses which also detracted from overall profits. This has NOTHING to do with being turn based. I hate how information is being cherry picked to push certain interests.

It’s so crazy how Conchord was pitched in 2016 when the PS4 was still a really poplar console. Long before PS5 was a thing too.

I love remake's combat, please keep iiiiitt

I think that FF7Remake/Rebirth combat style is the way to go, I think the reason that it hasn't sold as well as it should have is the fact that its story really does require you to have played the original and then after that you have to play remake then rebirth and then you will have to play whatever the third game in the series is going to be called. If someone has to play multiple games in a series it can turn people off playing a game as when you think about the typical length of an RPG that is a massive time investment. I personally really like the FF7R games but the original FF7 was also my first RPG so I already knew the original story and the way I see it the FF7R series is defiantly a continuation of the original story, not a remake or a separate story that you can easily follow or understand without playing the original game and lets be honest with all the different spinoff/side games its not the easiest of stories to follow. They may also need to eliminate the numbering systems for the games, as this can put off many casual gamers, as it can appear that the games are direct sequels to the previous games in the series. For example, instead of calling FF16 Final Fantasy 16, if they had instead called it something like Final Fantasy: Dominants of Valisthea, it may appeal to more casual gamers as it no longer has a sequel feel to the name which may make it more appealing to the casual gamer. These are just my thoughts anyway. I just thought I would put them out there.

I played the Metaphor ReFantazio demo last night and fell in love with games again. Turn based is a wonderful way to tell stories. Having a unique artistic style and being creative with how you engage combat is enough to make it feel fresh. FF has been following for too long. I hope Square come to their senses but I’m not depending on them after 16. There are alternatives.

I don't think even turn based FF would hit the sales Square is expecting. They're expecting a JRPG to make GTA-level sales, and that is completely unrealistic, even if they followed public feedback to the letter

He'll yes! I'm all for the turn based JRPG! Tired of the action JRPG combat

I think sales for Expedition 33 and FFIXR will be decisive as to whether a AAA command based FF is feasible. As for FFIXR, while I do hope it is command based, I'm hoping for a more dynamic ATB system maybe similar to that of FFX-2 where characters can act simultaneously rather than a full on turn based system.

When I wanna relax, a turn based game is best. Even if it's a "hard" boss, I'm still just sitting there thinking. Not sweating over my controller trying to figure why tf is that hit-box so big.

I wish it would go back to its roots I don't care what some people say, you can refresh turn base and make it new and entertaining. Anyone who says otherwise just has action as their favorite gameplay. We don't need everything being the same gameplay genre.

I think turn based is the only way I'd get back into FF, even though it's been my life long favorite series of games. FF has really lost me as a fan with FF13 onwards.

I love both ARPG and turn-based. One gives me a rush, and the other allows me to take my time when I just want to chill. If Square-Enix wants to sell big, make both systems accessible in the same game.

I think low sales for both FF7R and FF16 is just mostly due to that fact that they were PS5 exclusives at launch. There just isn't as strong a console market this generation compared to previous. Some more turn-based games would be nice though.

Balance of bringing back Turn Based for some projects and also keeping the foundation of VII Remake/Rebirth combat for other projects is the ideal scenario for me.

If they do ever return to turn based, I’ll be genuinely happy for the folks that want that…but I’ll skip it. I just don’t enjoy turn based combat anymore. I put up with it in the PS1 era when that was the only way to experience large RPGs. But action RPGs do everything I like about RPGs and more. I can tolerate older simper RPGs like FF 1-10. But modern RPGs are often too bloated with systems stacked on systems to set themselves apart from ARPGs and I find myself not having fun.

If Square wants to know why Metaphor is doing well, I'll give my two cents: 1) art style and creative direction! We dont need to see every pixel of the character/environment for an emotionally immersive experience, strong creative direction lasts much longer! 2) A combat experience that emphasizes customization AND fun! Its 2024, we like party based mechanics and playing a variety of characters. Blending their relationships into the combat is key to an immersive experience. 3) THE WRITING. MY GOD THE WRITING IS SO GOOD. Even the characters I want to punch in the face, I love how they're written. Honestly, I think FF7 Rebirth EVERYTHING right, it's now a matter of them getting it right in the mainline series.

Turn based is done for with the FF series... Better go support the turn based titles if that's your preference. People are thinking Metaphor is a part of the revival, but it'll still be a niche title. Baldur's Gate is a CRPG that has been around forever, lightning in a bottle.

The question ends up being: whose money does Square Enix want? There is money from people who primarily play turn based or other slow, tactics based game styles. There is money from people who play twitchy action combat games. There is money from people who play a wider range of games who might or might not buy their next project. How well are each of these markets being served? How much of their collective funding is already being tied up with existing projects or new releases? What type of game(s) are Square's current studios equipped to actually make in a 2020-something context? As someone who primarily purchases games that are slowly paced and story driven, largely due to my own personal limitations, I know what I'm more likely to invest in. However, I also know I am only one person. How saturated is each market? How much potential profit does it offer? Is it being served, or is change being left on the table? Is the company able to make a legitimately good product for the audience it chooses to court? Those are the core questions.

I really don't know why the even changed it in the first place. It's like MILLIONS of fans begging you to keep it turn based, but no, you have to cater to the action games demographic, for some reason.

A new FF with BG3 mechanics, would truly be awesome for real. Lets have turned base, & hybrid combat FFs.

Honestly, I find turn-based fans rather obnoxious at times because they fixate on it as if it’s the greatest game mechanic ever conceived. Final Fantasy developers experimented with action combat only TWICE in the mainline series: FFXV and FFXVI. In contrast, every other mainline FF game employs some form of command or turn-based system. If FF devs weren’t constantly experimenting and exploring new narrative and gameplay ideas, the series would have fizzled out years ago. This experimental approach has been ingrained in the DNA of the series since FFII. I hope Square Enix continues to experiment with action-based combat in future mainline entries and aren't deterred by overly critical turn-based purists. I loved FFXVI and enjoy both approaches. Additionally, I love the unpredictability of each new entry.

Loved this video NSP! You made me realize a couple things! SE shouldn't focus on what is trending, rather they should do their own thing, and allow their creativity to speak in their works. They should also find a way to manage their budget. If they want to do a full on action game, maybe avoid overspending on cut scenes. If they go for turn based which will be cheaper they can go a little extra on the cutscenes. What matters is not the type of gameplay in itself, it's the story, paired with how unique the gameplay mechanic's work. Black Myth Wukong managed to sell so well...because a Sun Wukong story was never told on this medium and scale before. Despite me sucking on games like Lies of P and Stellar Blade, I still went out of my way to buy them and complete them, because the story got me hooked.😂🙌🏽 I think SE already found their unique formula with FF7R combat. They have to build upon it in the future.(they can also from time to time give us turn based or action games tho) Great video again, NSP❤🤩

Sorry but ff remake fighting system is way better then the old one

I doubt that Square Enic will ever return to turn based combat, even after all the successful turn based JRPGs that proved that this style of gameplay can be engaging. A lot has yet to be seen from Square Enix before we see a return to turn based combat in Final Fantasy.

Remake and Rebirth's combat is the pinnacle of RPG combat systems. I feel it should be the standard for everything.

Why would they go back to turn based, when they could just continue to iterate and evolve the FF7R combat? It's party based, we can control all the of the party and they all have unique real-time combat that can be modified. Imagine incorporating environmental interactions or gambits. BG3 didn't win GOTY because it was turn based. It won because of how insanely deep its RPG system went. FF has NEVER even approached such complex RPG mechanics. We're talking about improving mechanics, but people are also humoring them dropping the FF7R combat which is actually unique amongst all RPG games.

Final Fantasy aren't going back to turn-based. Their games aren't selling well NOT because they aren't turn-based. They aren't selling well because their marketing is terrible and they've held onto that $$$ from Sony for exclusivity rights for about 10 years longer than they should have instead of building a solid PC fanbase like Capcom have been doing.

Only if Square Enix does not want to be competitive. The change from spending your entire time watching long summon animations to the direct control and interaction offered by real-time gameplay (active dodging, parrying, or blocking) is due to changing audience expectations. The same reason why Resident Evil moved away from fixed camera angles. Square got lucky in the 90s. They can't compete with western innovation.

Square has enough money to go for two parallel FF series, one AAA focusing on the great market and another less expensive AA turn based series for the true JRPG fans. They can do both. btw, Concord didn't fail because "everyone was tired of shooters". We all know why it failed

So, hear me out. A Monster Hunter-esque FF title set in the Dissidia world. With the two gods maintaining the balance of the World, creatures have begun to emerge from the energies left over by battle and not only creatures but new sentient life. Flesh out the World for exploration, base the "weapons" on the battle tactics of the original Dissidia roster and let us hunt fiends to upgrade our equipment.

Want to know why XV sold near 11 million? It’s not the unpolished combat or half baked side quests. It’s the idea of going on a open world road trip with your bros. While it was goofed on clearly that concept is compelling to a lot of people. And word of mouth made it sell. Open World fans really enjoyed it but then Horizon came out. I’ll play XV over Witcher 3 for combat any day but if I want that story and RPG experience I play Witcher 3 easily over any Final Fantasy even Rebirth. However I’ll play Horizon over both of those as it’s best of both worlds Imo. It just needs better melee combat. What was Final Fantasy XVI trying to sell us on to ROLE PLAY AS? Stuck as one character with one weapon with one move set not including Eikon Abilities. I stand by that fans are waiting on VII Remake trilogy to complete or be free on PlayStation Collections or PC Release. I kinda don’t blame them. If I wasn’t watching FF content regularly I’d avoid all FFVII until it’s done.

Why do so many people say turn based instead of command based? Command based is more accurate.

It's like Stockholm syndrome, people need to stop saying FF16 is good, it's not

Okay, hear me out: 1 - 2025 is Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary 2 - 2025 will probably see the release of Switch 2 I say Square do this: 1 - A Chrono Trigger Remake with Dragon-Quest-11 graphics (because Toriyama was the character designer of both) and fighting system (and they could ask another artist like Toyotaro or DBSKakeru1 since Akira passed away) 2 - Have the game temporarily be exclusive to Switch 2 as one of its launch releases for Nintendo’s newest console to guarantee its boost in sales. 3 - And who knows, if that succeed, Square could re-open the Chrono Break project again.

I got the first "remake" for FF7 and didn't care for it. I'll stick to my modded FF7 just not a fan of what they did to the game. Ruined it in my eyes. Won't be buying the others.

With how amazing Metaphor is, we're [hopefully] about to get 2 years in a row where the GOTY is turn based. We eating regardless of whatever they do with Final Fantasy. Though, I must be in the minority that enjoyed FF16 and FF7R just as much as BG3 and Metaphor.

The insecure Final Fantasy community back at it again.

So happy to see your latest post my bro. Blessings

I just watched a new comer to FF play through FF10 and said this: I thought Dark Souls bosses were difficult but i rather do that 50 times than fight Seymour Flux again 😂. She also mentioned that she loved turn based battles and didn't know it. To her, it felt like a mini game and a puzzle to solve. Each battle being unique and challenging. Now if FF goes back to turn base ill welcome it, but i believe its more about keeping those elements we all love in the franchise.

I love turn-based. It’s like D&D which is FF’s roots or like any other board game. It’s relaxing, which is just a different kind of feeling than real-time combat.