17:49 "Aeriiith" with that short chuckle… it scared the shit out of me- I always prefer the japanese dub, but Cody did a really good job with this, I love it seriously
Man I wasn’t alive when the og came out but bruh Cait Sith number 2 coming in introducing himself while Cloud is going nuts and punching Aerith is just…wtf😭😂
I'm one of those guys that thinks the OG did a lot better in some places, but this scene specifically with Cait Sith #2 definitely was not it. @@AG-sj4om
Honestly I kinda like how Sephiroth is just utterly toying with Cloud in the remake series. He just knows that he’s going to get that which he desires, and that in obtaining it this way will bring despair through the belief that nothing will change for them
The slight nuances are interesting as well, because in the OG it's just Cloud, Tifa and Aerith with Tifa stopping Cloud from beating on Aerith but at the same time everyone KNOWs that Cloud gave the materia to Sephiroth. In Rebirth it feels like Aerith is very aware of what's going to happen, the added sinister nature of Sephiroth toying with Cloud knowing that he has no control over his free will as he drops the materia only for him to give it back to Sephiroth but then the added nature that Aerith hides that fact that Cloud gave it to Sephiroth, it's very slight change but very impactful as the group wouldn't blame Cloud for what happened even though it still remains his fault that Sephiroth got the Black Materia.
@@airget Not Cloud's fault. Cloud has no control over his thoughts and actions in any of those scenes. In that regard, he's like those hooded guys we keep seeing everywhere.
That's first thing I did in rebirth, but it freaked me the fuck out since it looked creepy. I do like the change but I get why people would see that the original was better in some parts, though atleast Aerith wasn't beaten up this time
FF7 actually had balls enough to make Dyne off himself and Aerith get beat the $h1t out of.. But don't get me wrong, Rebirth did a lot of great things, the expansion of locations, the advancement of character's personalities and dialogue/dynamics, the soundtracks are top notch. But some of the plot twists and changes they did were brain-dead and unnecessary, the original did some of the most key parts better.. @@AnotherGeek....
I feel bad at how releived Cloud sounded when he said "thank you" to Aerith after she let him have the Black materia. Sephiroth isn't just controlling Cloud's actions, he literally imposed on Cloud the desperate need to please his "master" that's sick
just wait until part 3. *possible spoilers* that might not be aerith at the end, but jenova using its power to mimic her, controlled by sephiroth, to screw with cloud even more.
@@ShadowveilFox no I don't think, she is still seen even after the air ship left and she's looked pained when she was watching Tifa and Nanaki mourning her, she's the real Aerith who's spirit ascended to a new plane of existence After her death, and Cloud only can interact with her for now probably because of his trip in the in-between-worlds or because he shares a special connection with Aerith. i do think though that Cloud is in deny over Aerith death and Jenova may have altered his own memories of Aerith's death
@@maellesaliou5871 I don't see aerith. I see jenova pretending to be aerith. watch the end again and pay close attention to her face. her expressions are wrong and she looks like sephiroth. if that's not what's happening, cloud can only see her because she's in denial, but the fact that nanaki sensed her tells me it's either her or jenova, but why is it only cloud can see her? Tifa has a connection with the lifestream and she can't see aerith. cloud has jenova cells in him and he can see aerith. see the connection here? I'm going to bet jenova and sephiroth are screwing with cloud for the next game and aerith is like a dark shadow posing as the light, giving cloud advice. even if it's bad advice, cloud will be more willing to listen because he's cracked over aerith's death, And he has the black materia in his sword. he's going to go full psycho. the deva already stated we would see a very unhinged cloud. I'm thinking in the third game his combat skills are going to be insane and he's going to exhibit dark abilities that the rest of the party becomes concerned with.
@@maellesaliou5871 also the part about jenova altering cloud's memories, I don't see any of that. it's all sephiroth. jenova is just the monster that fools people, who sephiroth controls. she can cause hallucinations, which makes more sense that it's her and not really aerith.
We get it you watch the grown man with way too long hair for his age. There's no way Square would have the sentimental ending scene with Aerith's send off be Jenova and further no way they would pointedly have Nanaki go "aerith?" if it wasn't put there solely to shut up conspiracy crazies @@ShadowveilFox
In Rebirth, Sephiroth grabs the black materia from the floor at first but then he asks Cloud to come to him so he could give the black materia to Cloud, so Cloud could bring it back to him? I'm quite baffled by this. 😂
Sounds like they are going the "fate" route, where certain things MUST happen. Cloud giving the Materia to sephiroth being one of them. This whole time this other Sephiroth has been trying to get one up on fate, I think thats the route they are going.
It’s more of Sephiroths way of toying with cloud cause if it’s not obvious enough he is very aware of the events of the original timeline and he’s more of toying with him. Dropping the materia was just his way of saying “It doesn’t matter what you do… in the end I will have what I want.” And then asks him to give it back as like the sucker punch cherry on top.
Yeah...but it's a little more on the nose now. Sephiroth constantly showing up so early in Rebirth also basically kills any suspense or mystery about him. @@absboodoo
The new version doesn’t hold the same darkness and weight as the original, though I do like the addition of Cloud’s voice changing while he was mind controlled.
@@madelinemcmillan4020 this one is just sephiroth trolling cloud he literally mind fck cloud remember even tho cloud try too resist the fate he still give it too sephiroth and remember part 3 is when we will see some crazy shit happens that's not in OG we still gonna go same event in OG but clearly have different
I do miss him blacking out and punching Aerith. Really sells how messed up he is that even when Sephiroth isn't screwing with his head, the damage is already done. Now it feels like they are saying that he is only messed up when somethings messing him up.
Punching aerith was the only way to depict his creepy behaviour. Now that we have better animation, we don't need to, punching her in 4k is a little gratuitous
They did a really cool thing just before this where Cloud resets himself by cycling through his character animations. Sells how artificial his personality was. Again difference between messed up on the whole and messed up cause someone is messing him up.@@12345678abracadabra
@@jaketolan7105 His crazy train could have used something to show it had moved along. It's less farther along right now than when he attacked Tifa. By the look of things Sephiroth couldn't have made Cloud attack Aerith. Make it feel earned when Sephiroth actually couldn't compel Cloud.
@@torru36 I thought Cloud punched Aerith in a panic. the vision of Sephiroth already left with the Black Materia; I don't think he was controlling him. If the remake wasn't trying to do a multi-verse, the scene could have worked with a bit of tweaking. Instead of Cloud constantly punching Aerith, he could have just grabbed her shoulders and started shaking her while repeatedly asking her why he just helped Sephiroth. With Cloud's SOLDIER strength, Aerith's arms would have basically been in a vice. Tifa would have still needed to knock Cloud out before he broke Aerith's arms.
I love Sephiroth toying with Cloud like that and saying shit like "if she won't give it to us, we must take it" in Rebirth, makes the reunion scene even more impactful.
Really enjoyed rebirth but there were just some baffling and terrible scenes. This scene and letting Hojo get away on the beach after almost capturing everyone?? Come on square
Cloud only killing nameless soldiers and his friends say nothing but when he’s about to kill elena, a character with a name, now all of a sudden they have a problem and try to stop him. Really ruins the illusion that he’s turning evil and turns it into a really weak scene.
@@Cheet0Dusted almost every single time cloud went "dark" Tifa reeled him back in by telling him to stop, that's enough. Cloud is also not "turning evil" so you suggesting this making the Elena scene a "weak scene" feels immature. I find it odd the amount of people in this comment section that dislike Rebirth because Cloud is not KILLING MAIN CAST MEMBERS / OR BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF AERITH IN THIS SCENE. Jesus Christ find a compass
@@jonjones9917 i think his point was not that cloud shoudl or should not be more violent, it's in how the rest of the rest of the cast repondes to him in a poorly written way. for example they are fine murdering countless shinra soldiers, but act like cloud is a psychopath when he kills some in gongaga. they want to get back at president(s) shinra, but at the last minute the thought of killing him is unacceptable. their stated goals and motivations feel like they are conveniently flexible to serve rebirth's strange new narrative of making sure the main party reminds the player they are a pacifist squad, yet also trying to get revenge on shinra. it makes sense to some degree aerith doesnt want to kill hojo, as she has a combination of stockhoom syndrome and generally having a worldview that doesn't condone violence in a sense, but then they could have written a scene where hojo escaped in the chaos, or had an impenetrable force field, or childern were around and they didnt want to do a murder, or he could have said "harm me and marlene gets it" any number of choices they could have made. but they made one that doesn't really fit the main charachters' strifes (pun intended)
@@comradesXcosmosthey’re not fine murdering shinra soldiers they never have they always have been appeared to be knocked out they even state so in remake and when they have it’s been in a do or die moment the president alone wasn’t serving as much as a threat then dies to sephiroth anyways just as in the original but a bit differently. The shit ur saying about aerith as well bro is weird as fuck please stop what do you mean stockholm syndrome dawg she was absolutely disgusted by him who the fuck (in the og wants a hybrid wolf lion to breed them and then) in remake akin do what they want with her she was not into any of that.
One thing I must agree, the changing of the location of the Temple of the Ancients makes sooooo much more sense..... In the OG Temple of the Ancients and the Florest and the City of the Ancients is like on opposite sides of the globe......
Yeah if they wanted Cloud to beat Aerith to a bloody pulp again they'd need to make it an M game. Makes sense in 2024 why they changed it entirely. And if Aerith had an idea of what would happen if she said no unlike in the original it makes sense that she would just give it up.
Yeah I really dunno how people expected that to look being animated in these graphics, like it would either be weird because there wouldn't be blood or bruises or anything or because nobody else is giving a shit, also it just doesn't make sense for her to sit there and take that instead of giving it up and trying to do something after the fact, so I think they changed cloud attacking someone else to the tifa scene earlier, not that we might not get something in part 3 too, might have to fight a deranged cloud as a boss fight
I really hate what they did in the remake for this part. Surely they could have come up with something better than Barret carelessly throwing the materia, only to be like Aerith wtf you said it's fake, and she's just like 👁👄👁
That's because Sephiroth wasn't shoe-horned in the game early on (like it was in Remake/Rebirth). The suspense, build up and mystery of Sephiroth is completely gone now.
@@commandervile394 well that mystery of sephiroth was gone from the start as we played the original. Atleast this way it actually makes him mysterious again as we don't know if he's from future, in lifestream, real, if it's AC sephiroth? But still prefer how it was done in original, but that was during the first time playing it.
@@bungifish2227 What I mean by that is you didn't even see what Sephiroth looked like until like 3 hours into the game (or however long it takes to leave Midgar and get to Kalm). Up until the flashback sequence you've only heard about him of President Shinra back in the Mako Reactor. He wasn't appearing in visions and flashbacks every 5 seconds like in Remake/Rebirth..
@@commandervile394 Its difficult to make sephiroth a mysterious entity when after 30 years even people that don't know what ff is know him, it would never hit the same as is you were back as a 10 years old playing the game for the first time in a time where the internet wasn't even a thing. I personally see this game more targeted towards people who played or know the og story and now there's a new similar but different version of it to keep you in your toes still like the first time.
@@Pit_1209 That's a fair point and all, but part of what made Sephiroth so great was you barely got to see him in the OG, but when you did he always stole the show, you knew something serious was going to go down. But in this most recent depiction of him...he lacks all of that, and he's basically just there to act like a dick towards Cloud, he doesn't have the same threatening energy about him, he's more of a re-occurring prankster at this point.
Rebirth should’ve kept cloud beating the lights outta aerith, adds to the tragedy, mental unstableness of cloud and overall dark tone of the game. Nothing misogynistic or outdated about it either, scenes are allowed to be dark and messed up, especially when the game is attempting to portray a terrible situation Much prefer that then cloud grabbing aerith hand like it’s some sort of novella as she “dramatically almost falls”
I found the Rebirth version is some kinds of weird, though I really like the part where Cloud went insane and chasing Aerith like a villain. Firstly Sephiroth took the materia and pass back to Cloud and ask him to pass back, what kind of basketball passing game is it? I know it is just toying Cloud but seem so unnecessary, I would rather cut it away. Secondly, it looks like Barrett is at fault because he threw the black materia away without care. This really look bad in the storyline, it wasn't Barrett's fault in the original, nothing to do with him. Thirdly, it appears that no other members are helping?
1. Sephiroth is showing his power over Cloud to everyone. 2. The Black Materia Barret threw away was a fake. It turned out that Sephiroth could use it to bring the real one from another world similar to what Aerith did with the Holy materia. 3. The Whispers caused stronger winds after Tifa tackled Cloud.
@@writer_man5318huh where the fuck was it mentioned that sephiroth can just summon his own black materia. I really hated that scene cause they go to the temple for the black materia and then aerith says it’s a fake?? without any explanation but then it turns out to be real??? And now you’re telling me sephiroth just summons the materia to his hands without them explaining it in the story.
@@Cheet0Dusted I thought Aerith said it was fake just to fuck with cloud and get him off guard so the others could take it off him. But yeah it doesn't make a whole lot of sense because if it was actually real then why would they just let cloud pick it back up again. I'm sure somewhere in Japan, someone wrote that part with a whole bunch of meaning behind it but honestly comes off as pretty dumb writing lmao.
@@Cheet0Dusted The Fake Black Materia was a key to retrieving the real one. "This is the key which grants access to retrieving the true counterpart hidden between worlds."
Unfortunately, everything that happened starting with the end of Chapter 13 was just a fever dream. I really don’t like how they handled the ending of the Temple of the Ancient and the Forgotten Capital. But all other chapters of Rebirth were litterally peak fiction👌
I think most the people don't know the whole story of ff7. That guy isn't even the real sephiroth 😂 mans is somewhere else. They been trolling all of you
You guys must take into account the fact that Cloud is having psychotic episodes constantly. What he sees may be hallucinations, not what other characters see. The game is narrated heavily through his lens, so we can’t know for sure what is real and unreal. Just wait until part 3 to know the truth.
It’s not a separate island to the temple in rebirth, did you play the game? It was more obvious if you did. Everyone walked north. In the OG the temple was in the south but they’ve moved it all, so no bone village this time either.
Ok, after watching this scene again I have come up with a theory. So in Rebirth, the Black Materia that Sephiroth manifested is the same one he got from Cloud in the OG timeline while he was in his frozen state which ended up awakening the Weapons. Basically, from the future. He used that to screw Remake/Rebirth Cloud's mind up as we see it here. If anyone's seen the ending of Rebirth, we see Cloud holding the Black Materia even though we literally saw Cloud giving it back to Sephiroth before falling down with Aerith where the Temple used to stand. In the OG, the Temple was actually the Black Materia which the last time we ever saw that was when Cloud gave it to the real Sephiroth. In Rebirth, we saw the Temple compressing itself and fall down hard, that's the remake's timeline's Black Materia, the same one we saw Cloud holding at the end of Rebirth. He must have gotten it when he fell down with Aerith there.
Tifa behaviour in the Rebirth version of this chapter felt very inconsistent if you ask me. She's not displaying anywhere near as much concern for Cloud's mental state as you'd expect, especially since in chapter 9 she made a clearly firm declaration to protect Cloud in anyway she can, both from Sephiroth and from his own degradation. In fact she's oddly passive about his change in attitude, with only a couple exceptions. But those very exceptions were too short, came far too late, and were too few; she just felt out of character for the most part. Obviously this is meant to be an Aerith centric climax all things considered, but I believe it's equally important to ensure that Tifa's own character development isn't misinterpreted or overshadowed just to make Aerith look good, especially when you consider what's gonna occur in part 3, which I really, REALLY hope they don't screw up. There's a certain balancing act that needed to be upheld here, but they missed the mark by a pretty wide margin.
Bro what? It just did @23:17 with the green mist it shows aerith get up with the party the lazy writing isn’t in not showing us what happened in fact nothing about this colossal game is lazy is there some bad points and some points where it falls short ? Definitely , is this a point where it falls short and is weaker than its original counterpart?? Hell yea in my opinion
Toying with cloud to emphasise how much he’s in control of him. I seriously don’t understand how it’s THAT hard to get why he did it. Then again I need to remember most of the people complaining are some 40 year old gamers and it makes more sense to me
@@jamrah8713 Tks for the explanation man, sorry 'cause I'm a bit slow lol. At first, I just thought it was kinda unnecessary like he could have let it taken by Cloud's friends (Tifa, Aerith, Barret,...)
@@jamrah8713this. I get some people might be confused but use a little bit of brain power and this stuff isn’t hard to understand unless your a boomer gamer or something
its also due to trying to defy but match fate only making little changes i guess clound handing it over is a must have for him to succeed to a certain point.
What was the deal-breaker this time between the two scenes? Honest question. Because I’m knew to FF7. I tried understanding the story 20 years ago and I failed
Do people still not get that this game is explicitly an alternate universe from the original game? Calling the first game "Remake" was intentionally misleading.
I cant get over how terrible the remake version was. Its hilariously terrible. So let me get this straight: Cloud has it. Barrett takes it. Literally just THROWS IT AWAY LOL. Sephiroth then just picks it up. But then he gives it to Cloud who then gives it back to Sephiroth? What? Oh but wait. Aerith takes it. But then just gives it back to Cloud who then gives it to Sephiroth? What in the hell were they thinking lmfaoooooooooo
@@qownsqud3207 I don't much have an opinion on the quality of the scene. It's there, i guess. My only ¨problem¨ with the whole sequence are the Plot Ghosts. It doesn't really feel like they belong there, well just yet anyway.
Feels a bit shallow and full of exposition. I miss subtlety, especially in the sleeping forest when she just tells him not to break down, in the new one she goes on about not letting Sephiroth do this or that but the intrigue came in how nonchalant she was to cloud. It was like how a person would comfort a kid. Oh well.
There’s 0 nuance in the storytelling in this game unfortunately. Everything is made clear instantly and it’s sadly a common theme in all stories that are “written for a modern audience” I’m just glad there are other studios not giving in to the current political landscape with their storytelling.
I agree 100%. Only children or adults who are mentally children think this garbage is "better".. They really crapped all over some of the most iconic moments from the OG. Can't even let Dyne off himself, can't show Aerith get the crap beat out of her. Modern audiences are shills and r'tards. @@ItsSVO
OG he was controlling Cloud body to gave him the black materia . The new Barrett toss it and it hand on his feet . You know more more i think about how rebirth ruin what made the OG version did right.
@@Hattorii009 but isn’t Sephiroth the one who is in control of the whispers? Or you mean that they affect the rest? Bc yeah, obviously it affects them badly…
“This is they key to the true counterpart hidden between worlds” The hell does that mean? Given Rebirth’s world building, I don’t think the Gi thought they were making a materia that could span dimensions. Unless it’s doing that multiverse trope where “there’s always a black materia” and at the center of the multiverse there’s a prime black materia that can destroy every dimension at once.
Over complicating it. If it is a multiverse situation, each world has a chance to have a black materia or not. Its that simple. Whos to say that every world in that scenario, the Gi even existed.
FF7 Resequels has SUCKED at making me catch the feels. However, I really appreciate some of the new mirrors they have created. Case in point, I love how when we see Sephiroth’s Brutality in Nibelheim, we have a “crawling section”. Now in the forest, once Aerith leaves we get another crawling section. Love the Aerith/Sephiroth parallels. Although they were originally supposed to be brothers, the amount of similarities they give in the story are always welcome.
For me Cloud never beat Aerith in OG, he pushed her aside before going psycho and started hurting himself or the ground, this aligns with Rebirth version in which he does the same, but with Tifa instead of Aerith, the sounds in OG are weird, but that's literally the same sound effect when Barret was doing Boxing in 7th Heaven Plus Aerith never showed signs Of bruises, but yeah is open to different interpretations Either way this whole scene has always been weird, because he didn't give the Black Materia to Sephiroth, but just a random Clone of him
I thought Rebirth’s version was the lamest way to explain how Sephiroth got the black materia. It didn’t make ANY sense. Back and forth with dropping it, handing it off, someone else getting it, Aerith and cloud going poof, and then no explanation as to what happened between Aerith and Cloud. Nada, zip. Again, this is why you don’t let Tetsuya Nomura make games. He’s a great character design artist, but sucks at storytelling.
Im a Remake stan that had also played OG7 a few times before and i came here after finishing Rebirth (wich i largely prefer over that portion of OG7 even if disc 2 is the best disc for me) but in this scene OG7 did it unquestionably *MUCH* better beyond doubt it's so much easier to follow understand feel and take in just one playthrough no need for replays the scene just gets it done that well in OG7 in Rebirth were gonna have to wait for part 3 to even see if *ALL* that happened there even converts into something that makes sense hopefully it will since i want the game to be the best they can be so that Square Enix succeeds and keeps making new FFs because i love their games to death
Not that i don't mind the change but a part of me wanted the same scene so bad, atleast maybe after they both take the fall from the bridge and we see som glimpses or whatever but oh well
@@Kalakauai123 yeah, that’s a possibility. If that Materia holds that much power to summon a meteor, it’s definitely denser than all the other Materia. It’s basically like Comet10 if it were a spell
well in the original, no idea. but i assume it would cause a huge mako explosion. but in Rebirth, it's explained that the Gi put basically an infinite amount of misery and despair into the thing to grant it apocalyptic power capable of destroying immortal souls. i wouldnt wanna even scratch the damn thing. put that sucker on the rocket and launch it into god damn space.
That really happened in the original PSX game ?? Damn, it's crazy, I remember some things from the original, but not at all that part and the fact that Cloud is so weird, I thought it was only in the Remake ! I played the original 15 years ago on my PSP, so I guess I forgot all the subtility of the scenario.
It's on eof the bigger plot points of ff7 lmao. Cloud is messed up and has to find out who is really is through out the journey through the story. He was always messed up. He failed to join soldier and was eventually experimented on my hojo, and form that point on he assumed the role of his friend zack and went on to live his friends life, ish.
Eu acho que essa foi uma maneira diferente de se tratar a cena, mas poderiam dar mais peso a ela, obvio que refazer o original hoje em dia com cloud socando a pobre Aerith seria um problema enorme, mas eles ai da poderiam colocar mais peso, pra cena da floresta perdida, onde aerith consola e perdoa cloud traria toda a calmaria e gentileza de aerith pra essa tensão toda.
They didn't; They remade the scene, and one needs to be able to read the subtleties in order to comprehend the depiction - just a quintessential FF storytelling. We will relive the sense of loss in Part 3. Nostalgia is clouding people's judgment. People want less supposedly because less is more, until less is not enough.
@@granturismo-megaspeed8988 They did, it's actually garbage, they rushed everything after the temple and the scene carried no emotional weight. Nothing they can do in part 3 will undo that
@@Spluush The final battles - 'garbage', yeah, I can agree. Maybe. The murder scene - I beg to differ. I went from expecting myself to weep to gasping "Cloud has gone insane!".
@@granturismo-megaspeed8988yeah. I always thought Cloud is crazy before the Rebirth came out and now that I have beaten the game, i’m 100% sure he has gone insane with his eyes, his manner, his empathetic lines, his smile. The creators want to stress how crazy he is now and i think they succeeded.
While it was good, I think them having Cloud just fall into borderline axe wielding psycho at the tail end after making relationship building and bonding the core mechanic and payoff for the game was effective. By the end you really feel a fracture between the whole squad and Cloud, all the time spent building up the bonds and trust suddenly just come crashing down.
Can somebody remind me of how Sephiroth didn’t die back at the Nibelheim when a young Cloud stabbed him and then threw his body into the chasm? I just watched a recap of the original FF7 and I still don’t don’t get it
He died, but preserved his consciousnesses in the lifestream and spent 5 years learning various things in it, since the lifestream contains all the knowledge possessed by those that died. He then, supposedly, takes control of Jenova and "her" cells, overpowering "her" will and becoming the master. After that, he makes "her" body parts, which take on his form, do things. Such as killing President Shinra or getting the black materia.
@@abanereizei204 oh I see. Damn. Sephiroth retained his will even after falling into the Lifestream? He basically brought himself back from the dead Nobody has done crazy sht like that lol
@amuroray9115 Some have a willpower too strong for the planet to simply blend into the lifestream Sephiroth being one, Aerith to a degree is another, but unlike Aerith, Sephiroth can utilise the Jenova cells to create duplicates of himself as Jenova had the power to transform itself into anything it wanted and impose himself through it. And "The Reunion" is Jenova's uncanny ability to regather its body parts, no matter how far apart they may be, down to the last cell. Though Jenova's will has long since been overpowered by Sephiroth's it no long houses any control over it's own power, the parasite has been parasitized by one stronger. This power and his indominatable will is how he's come back though it took five years to do so.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga that makes sense. I need to go research Jenova more. I don’t understand how Hojo found this Ancient/Citra. Were other Ancients capable of “Reunion”?
Gotta be honest. While yes it’s not shot for shot each scene, no scene has been far away from the original. It’s either been anywhere from 60-90% of what the original did. All of the scenes either call back to previous setups, or just changed to make more sense. And anything that seems “very” different could’ve just been par for the course if the game happened slightly differently. Our own head canons have all changed so much and the extended universe of it all over the years has been included in some small way. The ending did so some…odd things. But I keep revisiting it and honestly we’re all still on a similar course, aside from what will be some ending changes and surprises. I still give it a 9/10.
Wow rebirths version is so dogwater, barret just tosses the black materia on the ground sephiroth grabs it just to give it back to cloud lol. Also his goofy ahh run and va just makes this whole scene more funny then anything.
I think that the part where Sephiroth gives back the materia, is meant to show that he’s just playing with Cloud, because he knows he’s gonna get what he wants anyway, but yeah Barret throwing it away is if it wasn’t something important caught me off guard too lmao
@@lcie_eri Yeah I kindaa get what they were going for but oml the writing of barret grabbing the materia the whole reason they came here from cloud (whos clearly having mental issues about it too, hardly mentioned) then just throws it on the ground and telling him fetch it like an ass, the whole thing just plays out so insanely bizzare you wonder how this is the group trying to stop sephiroth from ending the world. What also pssed me off is In the og the mental problems aren't nearly as clear and it adds alot more to the mystery and shock, in this game cloud acts like a edgelord for half of it.
@@pexahs6159 that's right, what Barret did with the materia felt so off for me as well- Even though I enjoyed the scene, It's really awful how in some parts of the script, his mental health issues feel ignored...
The OG handles the content much better; the characters react in natural ways true to their personalities and these heavy moments are given time to breathe and sink in. Rebirth completely drops the ball with this aspect and there is way too much hand waving in the narrative delivery
What, and Cait Sith coming in, in the middle of Cloud beating Aerith was good writing? I mean i like the OG because it didn't pull punches, but that there was really bad.
@@Swordmaster7th Cait Sith in the original was generally terrible. His character is one thing Rebirth did much better. But yeah, I feel the rest of this scene was better in the original than in Rebirth.
The temple being the materia was an interesting twist and it made sense for the victim inside This one is confusing first of all, a fake, key to the one between worlds. Not to mention a generic collapsing temple trap. I know they needed to make an intense escape, but I still think it could have shrunk and Cait is preventing it
Cloud is actually wrestling with Sephiroth’s hold over him in the OG; Rebirth completely drops this and makes Cloud a total nut job. What’s more, the OG has characters reacting to this with care and concern, but Rebirth has them almost sighing, going “oh well” and continuing to follow Cloud with no push back. So dumb
Yea I wish they kept that pep talk tifa and (mostly) Barrett have with cloud to get him to go save aerith. As a fan who was first introduced through advent children I did think to myself why is everyone just ignoring cloud and his crazy brain spasms. Played the og n realized they not only did not do that but certain elements are just stronger in the original . Cloud has much more of a personality and the party is much more reactive to him.
Just a few scenes before this in the OG, Cloud laughs maniacally at an apocalyptic prophecy on the wall while Aerith and 3rd party member look on and just continue right after. Not that different.
Bro I know this is blasphemy to say and I know the original FF7 has a special place in peoples hearts who played it 20 years ago but I never played it and watching these 2 it’s night and day which one is objectively better 😂 nostalgia seriously makes people view things through some delusional lens because the og just looks so silly bro 😂I can’t be the only one who thinks this
I never played it, and the OG FF7's scene is better because it's coherent, straight to the point, and actually makes sense. The only thing "objectively better" from the remake are the graphics.
@@Fadeddreams5 yeah it’s simple because of the hardware they had back then, just because they are telling a much larger story now that you have to actually think for it doesn’t mean it’s incoherent. The ending of ff7remake was incoherent this ending at least makes sense if you think about it even for someone who hasn’t played the og. With the way these games are there’s no way they were ever going to do a 1 to 1 copy of the Og ending or do a really quiet aerith death because of how bombastic these games are. If the ending was anything like the ogs was I would have actually been disappointed tbh that’s just my opinion. If it was any other game nobody would care about this kind of ending but because everyone already has an idea of what this scene should be everyones now crying about it😂 there’s nothing wrong with the ending other than it being a little confusing
@@Fadeddreams5fr plus it leans into the identity theme when tifa and Barrett tell cloud he doesn’t understand himself but it’s okay because no one understands themselves and they allow him to choose to save aerith, in the remake none of this happens , the whole way sephiroth gets the “black material” makes no sense in rebirth when you say it out loud “Barrett throws the materia and sephiroth picks it up and…gives it back to cloud??? Just for it somehow get into aeriths hands and for her to give it to cloud for him to give it back to sephiroth?” That doesn’t make sense and Ik like in og none of these encounters are the real sephiroth as he his body is frozen in the northern crater but it still makes not a lot of sense
The scene in rebirth: Barrett threw the important plot materia behind like a normal pebble so that sephirot could grab it. Sephirot really is a mastemind and rebirth's writing is very good indeed
And aerith calling it a fake in the temple as well that led to barret taking it and throwing it, made no sense at all, ah yes the black materia inside this temple that just spawned out of thin air a few hours ago with the livestream inside it trying to stop anyone from getting to it, that we were also warned about by the Cetra and caused the temple to self destruct is a fake all of a sudden in her eyes to make this plot point happen?
@@liamjones1630That's not entirely false. Because the temple itself in the original is the black materia, not the orb. Aerith was right in assuming the orb was fake.
@@liamjones1630 That black materia is a fake. People need to pay attention - Sephiroth is able to use the fake to pull the real one from another world. It seems in this version of events, instead of the Temple being the Black Materia itself, the Ancients hid the materia in another world. Most likely to keep it from the Gi as they are undead and the Temple can't kill them.
25:30 So familiar? Where is this music from? Gaster's theme song from Undertale? Gaster and Sephiroth working together? Unexpected crossover? Finale boss.... Doctor Gaster.
ngl i feel like they overdid the waifu thing, i lose some suspension of disbelief sometimes with some of the emoting, especially when the finger points up. you win some you lose some
Makes you think that the more provoking version was the blocky PS1 game for little kids from the 90s while the new, shining, and well acted remake for grown ups in their 30s and 40s runs away from any controversial imagery. And no, it's not because of the woke agenda or whatever. One is produced by a giant corporation worried about its stance, and the other by a small company formed by independent youths doing whatever they want. It's not bad as a new depiction...but really makes you think about how corporations work. A poor guy makes something that gets a lot of traction. Then, white collars buy him and his little company and milk the shit out of his idea while neutering it to death. Yes, let's talk about fate in the new one all the time. Please, ignore the far more provoking themes of death, identity and enviromentalism from the original. Those are complicated. Really, we treat kids like adults and adults like kids.
to be fair, this is a better remake than anyone expected from 2015 square when it was announced. it's a miracle this game is as good as it is. but yeah, you totally get it. it can't ever take the same risks as the original because this is not a game, its a many more multi million dollar investment than the original was, and they can't risk an M rating, negative controversy, etc.
I mean, showing Cloud beat up Aerith in this caliber of 3D graphics would have a completely different vibe. You can get away with "violent imagery" if your characters have like, a dozen polygons.
@@TP-pq9xx it doesn’t lean into identity as much as the original did , in the og cloud tells Barrett he’s scared of himself and what he might do, and Barrett tells him you don’t even understand yourself but no one does we keep pushing forward anyway, and Barrett and tifa leave to let cloud choose for himself to save aerith, none of that happens in rebirth which would be cool but instead we get a lot of fan service and a missed opportunity to reinforce some common themes
Tifa chasing away Cloud so she and Jonny can spend a night together(supposedly just "having a chat"), Cloud beating up Aerith, Honeybee brothel, Hojo intending Aerith to mate with Red XIII... I think I'm forgetting a bunch of other "conflicting" stuff too. But SE sure decided to bend their game(as well as add a bunch of cringe content), even though no one aside from some Twitter people would care.
Well, Tifa x Johnny would blow up a lot of people not only on Twitter though... lol. The OG had its share of things that were up for the player to decide. But that scene Costa del Sol always felt to me like Tifa is really into Cloud, but she also kinda likes Johnny and thinks he's sweet, so she spends a night with him. I'm sure that after FF7 became pretty big, the devs regretted adding that scene, as you can't have the main girl doing something like that, lol.
none of these changes take anything away from the themes, if yall wanna be weird and complain about nothing just do it, dont pretend its for the sake of the overall themes and plot lmao@@christianlopez707
Agreed tho I do wish that Cloud did keep his fear of going insane…maybe he hasn’t realized it yet in Rebirth tho and it ties in with the whole “hollow puppet” thing
@@boopnoodle6947he still has that fear but he’s too far gone in this scene to show it. Earlier in the gongaga scene where cloud opens up to Tifa, he sounds scared when he talks about himself degrading and his mind falling apart.
Mother fxxk ,that fxxking ghost destroyed the game, in remake i hate it lot ,now they appear again ，what a very bad idea . And its unnecessary that cloud lie down toward aerith ,it also did in sephiorh when destroyed 'clould homeland . Very dowdy .
"Boo-hoo! The thing that made it very clear it wasnt going to be a word for word remake, isnt a word for word remake! And I can't just.... Play the original game that I like more! I must complain online!"
Boohoo! The remake that proclaims itself to be trying something different yet is determined to hit all the popular story beats while managing to weaken and often directly contradict their impact to the themes and narrative is being criticized! Instead of doing something truly new by extrapolating off of the world and lore built over decades, they decide to do the exact same thing but worse! How dare people want a remake with scenes done properly, so that a new generation of fans can enjoy the storytelling of the game they love without the barriers of older graphics and gameplay!
@@ono_o_o Haha! What does "Done properly" even mean when these games have every right to do what they want? Anyway, do you have a copy of Final Fantasy VII 1997 you could be playing right now? Go do that instead of replying to this comment thread. I believe in you buddy 😉
@@NocturnalMelodypeople said the story change is bad when it's not even bad at all I like it because sephiroth here is the advent children sephiroth he know everything and heroes try too deny the fate of OG story is actually pretty damn cool just the Zack timeline is what we need explanation in part 3 plus don't worry alot love it only boomer who want same game would hate it
