FINAL UPDATED 10.2 M+ Tier List (ALL SPECS) 

You have any in the first place 😝

this tierlist prevented me from returning to the game.. thnx a bunch ❤ so glad I watched this before hitting the subscribe button on bnet

basing your experience on someone else opinion :D sound american to me@@mhmtbl

Dorki literally said “you’d never bring any of these down here” and then gestures towards the bottom two categories. That’s not helping. Honestly, the tier list videos in general influence people’s perceptions. They’re never gonna hear viable and think good. They’re gonna hear must have and dogshit

@@cdYadi He means to the highest end meta keys. You can play any spec in up to around 25 keys. He says that throughout basically the entire video.

The main issue to me personally is the current existence of Aug as spec and role “Support” even if this is spec is here to stay it needs to rework the fundamentals of the spec as rotation, talent to make it at least fun to play

@@shadysorkin9214 yea the average kazzak and hyjal lowiq will definetly comprehend what dorki was on about. nevertheless its a minority and most ppl dont care because they play in groups of at least 2 or 3, if someone really wants to play pug only then no one can help them at all. pugs are the worst in the game with all of these clowns.

Like really? :D U can run 20 with whatever u want :D everything is meta till 20 :D

Youre an inspiration to us all 🥺

Why are they kicking shaman?

@@jayi100 cause shaman got nerf too the ground and it’s either reroll to a better healer in the meta or don’t heal. There are lots of toxic people in M+ cause dps don’t know how to avoid attacks and tank the damage then blames healer cause “reasons”

Same my shamy brother!

boomy aswell

@@Dorkiyeah, boomie is so completely dependent on the tank and group it's insane - my variance feels like 2x in final dps

@@Dorki Eh, not too worried about boomy. Bad healer/tank that cant stay alive or keep others alive tends to brick keys even on lower levels, a bad dps can be carried (up to a point ofc.) By the time you get to a level where you can't really carry anymore, I think people playing them will be just fine.

For sure there are easier lower skill requiring specs for those roles, but considering whats "Meta" considers all specs played at their individual highest skill level. Likely the best frost DK on earth can do twice the damage as an average player on DH, but thats not the conversation. The conversation all specs played by the best players on earth, how do the specs rank in output and usefulness. The only caviot is hybrid usefulness. Does a Prot Paladin get a higher placement than Blood becuase while they may do the same healing and damage, and both have a battle rez, most of the Prot Paladins WoGs were LoH sized heals on the other 4 members of the M+ group? Kinda, but not really. The addtional team healing is cool, but it is greatly reducing damage output and risking not having a defensive buff rolling. Healing low M+ while tanking like a chad = cool, if you NEED to heal the group while tanking in high keys the group is not doing their jobs.

@@edwardhatfield5360 Not sure how this applies to anything I said but okey. But if we are talking about meta, I disagree with how it is formed and defined. If you have something that is completely OP, but only if it is played perfectly, and fails utterly if played at an average level, I do not consider that a good meta pick. If 9/10 people will fail at it, I would rank something with a lesser power potential but better average success rate much higher. I don't really care how good a given spec can be in the hands of the best players on earth, I am not playing with those people. I am playing PuGs. I care about how good a given spec is in the hands of the average player, and I don't feel these meta lists are representative of that. That is my opinion anyway.

is it really bias if a lot of top boomie players are saying the same thing that the class lacks a good defensive? dying as boomie is so punishing(losing pulsar stacks) compared to mage and is less avoidable. if you have to go bear form frequently you are losing dmg.

Boomies live in your brain rent free.

​@@livvwyes because have you PLAYED other ranged specs and even some melee in the past 20 Metas?? Lmao man did u see enhancement just recently? Even when druids up top they still complaining about defensives... bro your a druid w giga armor be happy you got some stuff smhmyhead

boomies and ret and the biggest downplayers

@@livvw A hunter has entered the chat.

in shadowlands for sure but with shimmer or ice floes on top of slipstream it's really not bad anymore.

Is that the elementalist build? I love the storm build, so I'm hoping it's viable. Did you try the storm build?

@@jayi100 Yes that is with elementalist build. The new tier set basically shoe horns you into elementalist build.

in the descript

I think you will just double DH personally so Vengance, Disc, Havoc, Aug and Fire/Bommie/Rogue

Don't listen to him about Ret Paladins though. He's very wrong; they literally do it all. All these nerds ranked Ret B/A tier in keys for Season 2 and they were all blasted by the power of divine storm and infinite utility. Ret Paladins are the unkillable gods that you always want, because their rotation is so easy its impossible to fuck up. You seriously gonna bring DHs, the sasuke kings, when they cant even use fel rush without dying? Yeah momentum is more optional now, which is even worse; theyll use it to try and get out of mechanics last minute and get clipped. Theyll miss call outs because of the Breaking Benjamin playlist they're blasting at max volume. Most melee either have shit utility for dealing with affixes, or their melee range is so dog you have to be practically giving the mobs a colonoscopy to hit them and aoe optimally. Ret chads can do their rotation from a mile away. Why do you think Anduin was crying in the new cinematic? It's not because he was dealing with PTSD, the man had to play as a Death Knight for most of Shadowlands, which is enough to break any man. They don't even have any mobility, the best they get is a crappy sprint, which makes them run like a fat kid trying to catch up to the ice cream truck. You'll need radios to communicate with them from the bottom of the damage meters, and from the entrance of the dungeon cause their slow asses cant keep up. The Ret community demands an apology by Christmas for this poor ranking, when u.gg is crashing so hard because they're just overloading the coveted S tier alumni. Remember; when you gotta think, take the pink. Paladins; satisfaction gauranteed.

Unless the AoE / ST issues season 2 had with ret paladins were fixed with 10.2 (I didnt keep up with updates on them for 10.2 so correct me if they did do changes) , They will never be A / S tier. Why would I bring a ret paladin for his utility when you can cover it with other classes, A ret doesnt do anything special that other classes cant do, other than give ret players a crutch with bubbles. @@nrbism9614

​@@ghozter1how inept do you have to be to tell someone writing such a great but clearly in meme spirit post to chill and then tell him to get over it

This is what I imagine being on moonguard would feel like. Tho don't call out my DK's from the bottom like that, we wiggle our asses as best we can lmfao!@@nrbism9614

@@nrbism9614 i can already hear the random phonk track with patrick bateman coming around the corner listening to it in his plate armor

Shaman is S obviously

im playing warlock tank

wow great input

Surely one day we won't need to cast Siphon Life :')

SIPHON LIFE NEEDS TO GO.

And rapture need to go

Siphon life giga needs to go agree, aff lock needs disc priest cleanup lol

Lets give them arcane blast and portals too.

bloodlust on warrior makes more sense than shamans and dragons. warriors are full of blood lust.@@nicklepkowski5315

@@nicklepkowski5315 Everyone stole warrior abilities over expansions but of course it can't happen other way around right.

might have some for tank stuff or the harder dungeons!

​@@Dorkiwould love some fast tldr things to watch out for or know as tank in new dungeon recaps for new season !

I’m Having fun spamming my anal riptide and anal chain heal

I still cant see ppala becoming meta if vengeance has this strong utility or if legendary will make bdk god like jailer weapon in shadowlands

it feels so bad to play breath in any type of dungeon with downtime, and i love oblit but it just aint cutting it in big pulls

​@@dracotoyI hate oblit and love breath but ur still spot on and I left dk/frost dk long time ago for a reason lol

@@dracotoy pfft it barely cuts it in small pulls too, any slight tank movement or mechanics that make you move out of DnD you officially do 0 damage until next pillar window. Rework this crapshow of a spec already.

@@Garbage315 DnD is truly an awful ability. The worst part is a find both styles so fun at their peaks, but so unwieldy and awful at their worst

Breath should be a toggle, change my mind

I can see it might be relaxing to some extent however how you do you see it rewarding? I wish if they never introduced this spec to the game to be honest

@@dvlfilmsandmusic ok so basicly, i always enjoyed playing support spec or hero in dota 2,so i find it fun, but years of playing dps in wow are making me still enjoy the most. I agree that 1 op support spec is not healthy for wow and we should have more of them, i eould deffo play all support specs and maybe over time i would enjoy more than dps

raiders always ruining it for us m+ers

​@@Dorkididnt they buff attonement for M+ specifically so this might not be the case anymore

​@@user-jc3vy6tc1nthey did but well see if they utilize it well

They need a nerf along with outlaw. Not a lot but they need to be brought down a bit

Yeah the nerfs they've already gotten have been sufficient. Rogue, balance, shaman are beating them numerically and bring similar levels of utility. As far as tanking I think it's fine if one tank stands out more and it's good for vengenace to get a season. Pally, bear, dk have had their time recently. And DK will probably share that #1 slot with vengeance with the legendary.

havoc will be nerfed. 100%

Yeah brace yourselves for nerfs, it's inevitable. DH's are doing are doing like ~20% more than the next DPS on average, that's not gonna stay.

Hopefully not, they ran half of shadowlands as meta. wheelchair ass tanks.

Don't stress meta as tank. If you are doing anything sub high 20's it truly doesn't matter. This is especially the case for BDK who can literally walk through low to mid 20s without a healer.

I dont think capability is the issue, its the mindset of the morons running the low 20s forcing God comp becuz of the stigma around meta@@talve8923

​@@talve8923ye tank balance is usually "dont pick this 1 specific one..unless u really wanna" instead of "pick this one" which hey is good

@@trebortnulb5279they had 1 season as meta and 2 getting no invites… Fated season isn’t even real

Augmentation was a curveball so we will never know until we get the patch. Also a chance for a surprise one in .5 or .7 patch

They better make evoker or shaman tank

triple outlaw rogue most of bfa, double destro lock SL, triple bm hunter, triple WW in legion spec stacking is not allowed in competition anymore though after all these stacking moments

Maybe replace Mage with Balance for MOTW, or Havoc.... both of those buffs are good though too.

godly in raid tho

stun slow interrupt almost everyone has. hunters mark isnt that useful in m+ utility is mage with arcane intellect, 2 AoE ccs, mass barrier

its fine just not as good as other healers thats all

Most pugs don't know what an interrupt is or how to use defensives. I'd often be the last alive on my rogue after a wipe

If you know how to use your kit as a rogue, yeah, you're one of the most survivable classes in M+

no let dh have their season tired of stupid mages every time

havoc was literally meta Season 1 lmao. VDH hasnt been meta since SL S1 tho@@icswack6015

@@icswack6015 DH having a shine quite a lot since legion, for how easy they are, especially with their mobility, I don't mind seeing them relegated over other classes.

@@Musiclover4822 dh is not easy. Maybe in legion but not now

@@icswack6015 Easier than other melee specs, just infinitely, they just have less resources/cds or dots to maintain.

Nop, they have to ANNIHILATE them to make them not meta. They give too much to heals and tanks so they are still good if they do 'decent' damage at best.

it was giga strong in bfa, the reason brm will never be meta is its "high complexity" compared to other tanks for average frogs

dont worry the legendary will surely be a big upgrade for all 2h str users

theyre just that good but i think thats why there are other "possible meta"

Oh how wrong you learned to be😂😂 time def was not good to this opinion

its just op in wcm and good otherwise

@@Dorki cant go wrong with it could i do 25 keys with it

@@Dorki also how will it be in raids