Thanks so much for checking the game out as well as lumping us in with so many other great beat 'em ups! Can confirm a few of the issues addressed in this video have been actioned by Bitmap Bureau as of a few days ago. Full patch notes available on the Steam page. A few features include: - New casual mode w/ unlimited continues. - Buffed Weapon speed. - Better use of Left and Right Triggers to incorporate extra special moves, as well as blocking and dodging! - Training mode unlocked from the start (as you unlock levels you unlock more enemies) (This patch is live on Steam now, and hopefully rolling out to Consoles over the next week.) Honestly though, great video! Thanks for checking our game out. 🤜🔥🔥🔥
I love the new 'updated' Final Vendetta experience. Seriously, feels like a different game now - sure, it does expose that it's not super long but I can now enjoy it fully. 😅
I'm sinking my teeth into both games. Turtles feels like a cake walk compared to Final vandetta. I hope they keep pumping out these types of games. They are awesome
Actually, the beat'em ups started to divide in the game mechanics already back in the late 80's. One of the two main schools for the x/y beat'em ups (we'll exclude the x-only ones) was "grab based" games (Final Fight, SOR, Cadillacs & Dinosaurs, Alien VS Predator, Splatterhouse 3, etc). Meaning, in those games the "grab mechanics" were freely implemented and were a straightforward, highly streamlined in approach: walk up to a baddie, punch, punch, move in to for a grab, - grab, knee, knee, throw the dude off screen. Rinse and repeat for several dozen of other games. Very streamlined. You can call this school "Capcom Style", - simply because Capcom was the one to popularize it, and it created a plethora of games with such mechanics to push it ever further. The other school, was the "non-grab based" games. Meaning, in simplest terms: that playing such a beat'em up by trying the "Capcom Style" approach - would get you killed. Sometimes - very quickly so. There, the attack strategies were different, and grab moves while existing, were not streamlined, just as was the gameplay itself. It was more complex and required prior knowledge, usually obtained through other gamers. The best example of the "NON Capcom-Style" is the original Vendetta, but so is most of the Double Dragon series (especially 2nd and The Return). Others titles include Cyborg Justice, Sengoku 1 and 2, Combatribes and others. Even Golden Axe, while the most lenient game in this style - belongs to this category as well. This latter category offered more long-term potential, and would lay foundation to the post-arcade beat-em ups in 3D, the PS2 era and on (PS1 was too clumsy to do it well, even though it tried - Deathtrap Dungeon, Nightmare Creatures, Soul Reaver, etc) . It would eventually split into multiple directions, with the main ones being lead by a powerhouse franchise of its own. God of War and its clones on the simpler, more streamlined side. Prince of Persia style - for the more complex and intricate path. And DMC style for the nonstop combo-oriented action. A game like Streets of Rage 4, - uses a very smart approach: it does not force the player to any particular playstyle: you can perfectly play and finish the game using the old "Capcom Style", but it encourages you to experiment and go for the DMC-style with continuous combos and all.
Great video this week! I think one thing you didn’t mention is that an important and impressive distinction between the two games is that Final Vendetta is a Neo Geo game and will be releasing on that platform soon. Turtles had no real hardware limitations unlike Final Vendetta which was developed in the confines of the Neo Geo hardware much like Bitmap did when they developed Xenocrisis for the Genesis.
There’s a patch for final vendetta out that remaps the back kick to left trigger. It takes care of the issue you were talking about re: getting swamped by enemies. They also remapped dodge to one of the bumpers, which gives you some invincibility frames to get out of tough spots. There’s a ton of other improvements too to hit boxes etc. and training mode is unlocked from the start. Currently steam only but the patch should be coming to consoles soon. I agree the weapons are crap but they’ve sped up the animation in those attacks also. I played both games quite a bit and FV is a technical, much more challenging game and turtles is a mindless button masher. Both are a lot of fun!
Final vendetta is the most Neo Geo looking game ever with its art style you can really see it being released along side many of the later King of Fighters games and it fitting right in.
@@ampplays I know and the fact they went with the similar artstyle shows they were all in on making it as Neo Geo as possible. Still good to see retro styled games like these are actually being developed for old hardware as their base system though.
That's because it uses way too many recycled assets from NeoGeo games, and to put things simply: just takes ideas from other games for its own. A lot of these ideas and concepts come from SOR4. Including certain character moves, levels and level styling, even the music from 1st stage.
Ouch! Rough intro! lol So, I'm already interested in both of these so that made this even more of a fun versus episode. Though the music--your comparisons there really have me intrigued. I may just need to find the soundtracks to listen to while I'm at work.
The genre has been split for awhile. There's the Konami style Beat em up with larger criwds and more frenetic combat. The other style is the "Capcom" style which really puts the focus on enemy placement and grouping enemies. Training mode after beating the game is to help players master it for that covered 1CC
It certainly is a great time to be a beat em up fan , shredders revenge is awesome, haven't played final Vendetta yet so I can't say which is the better of the two but it really doesn't matter as I'm just so happy we get to great games, we need more games, music and movies inspired by the 90s as in my opinion it was the greatest time in pop culture
Dude! You must have a jaw of steel to take a hit like that! 🤣🤣 genius intro. Beat em Ups aren't my cup of tea, but Shredder's revenge looks too good to miss.
For a supposed retro gamer, I'm surprised that you didn't see how Final Vendetta is made to look like an old school SNK beat-em-up. Even the tutorial with the four buttons is an SNK staple.
@@o-datsingh7296 You start with 3 lives and get an extra life every million points (pretty easy to do with a bit of practice). There’s also a hidden extra life on each stage. No enemies in the game take off half your health with one hit, except maybe the final boss on the ultra difficulty setting (which I haven’t unlocked yet).
I will talk only for Final Vendetta since it is the one that i played and finished. The backgrounds are very cheap and the bosses are completely joke and unbalanced (well maybe except the two copoeira girls). Also if you manage to find and collect every bonus life that exists in every level the game becomes rather manageable. The backward attack , as you mentioned, is very awkward and i never used that block button nor the jump. Just wish that they had found a way (with some cutbacks maybe) to release FV on the Megadrive as this would have definitely boost their sales. Of course for the owners of Neo Geo this is probably a nice purchase.
I'm playing Shredder's Revenge in these days on Series X. Man its remember me the very first arcade of TMNT, which is awesome. Never heard of Final Vendetta
The games are very good, but are these only for modern consoles or will they be ported to 16-bit systems as well? Can you install and play on any PC anyway?
Cool games. It's like a renaissance of beat 'em up games. At a recent steam festival, I played the demo of another potentially good game - Arnold Bounty Hunter. It looks more like the first Battletoads - there are not only fights, but also various adventures with platforming, hydrocycles. It also looks interesting.
Nice treat Mike!! Its hype is definitely not inferior to Paprium. I do like the graphics a lot more though, it has more of a KOF style character rather than comix zone’s ..
Fantastic comparison and review vid. Completely agree that altho they’re obviously both beat em ups the underlying differences between the 2 games are considerable. I’ve yet to put time into final vendetta albeit i have been thoroughly enjoying shredders revenge! Cheers 😊👍🕹
Wow. Excellent review! I could tell at first glance that while Final Vendetta looked and sounds (musically) like an awesome homage and beat em up; it seemed very basic and stiff compared the best in the genre (SOR2 while awesome; also stiff in this way; which is why I always loved the original Final Fight and SOR1 a bit better despite other improvements it made to the genre). You are one of the few reviewers that went into the nuances between the mechanical differences. I don't feel spending the same price on Final Vendetta as SOR4 or TMNT and will get it when it has a deep sale.
@@RetroGamerBoy Well, apparently Final Vendetta is going to be a Neo Geo game (according to a comment down below), so I don't see why they wouldn't port it to Dreamcast too, as they did with Xeno Crisis.
Both of these titles look like my kind of thing - excellent critique of Final Vendetta, hopefully they'll fix a few of these issues, it sounds promising and looks lovely. Shredders Revenge I can't wait to play :)
Fantastic review! After seeing this I feel better about not ordering a physical copy of Final Vendetta. Now I’m anxious for Shredders Revenge to come “ hurry up limited run lol “ cheers 🍻
Great video !! Turtles is on game pass so all I had to buy was Final Vendetta. Out of the two I go with Final Vendetta as I love urban style beat em ups, I guess you could argue that turtles is an urban style beat em up also, however since you play as turtles instead of people I don't like it as much.
Now this is superb Channel content! Perhaps you should make this a series🤷 would go well with perhaps some Slayer and maybe a blunt😉 got final Vendetta physical and turtles physical is on its way
@@RetroGamerBoy going to be honest I can't choose between either one. I would have to say Turtles is definitely more polished but final Vendetta is definitely where my heart is at. It was DoubleDragon 🐉🐲 in the arcade this started my obsession with beatemups. Basically if it's go's to the right, it's pixelated and someone's getting punched or hacked up with a sword I'm in!🤘
Do you think they would ever do a Mega Drive release as its Bitmap bureau, id be all over that, but it sounded like it might be too many buttons. Probably pick it up soon when ive had my turtles fill, going up against each other on release dates seemed a little weird we need to spread the love.
Great comparisons. Having gone through both games I enjoyed Final Vendetta much more. It took a little while to grow on me but once it did I really started to enjoy it. TMNT was fun for maybe the first 10 or 15 minutes but grew very repetitive and was easy enough to 1 CC on normal the first time I played it. The harder mode seemed to just make the bosses spongier with absorbing more damage. TMNT also seems to have an exploit where you can charge your specials in safe areas during the boss fights. I didnt know that when I beat it however. Still plan to replay Final Vendetta and atleast clear Hard mode. TMNT I have no interest in revisiting. It really dragged on for me.
@@Marvel_vs_Capcom84 Really comes down to personal prefference. I have over 35 hours on Double Dragon Advance but it comes down to really liking the gameplay and experience. For me Final Vendetta offerred more challenge and I felt it was just long enough to be satisfying for multiple replays on the other difficulties. I really enjoy the pacing of the game and combat. With TMNT the combat never really connected for me.
I have both games on Steam. I played both of them and loved it. For the Revenge of Shredder, it reminds me of the 80s show which I really loved it. As for Final Vendetta, it gives me Neo Geo feel and I am so glad that the cricket bat appears to hit enemies :)
@@RetroGamerBoy well in 1989 the arcade I used as a kid had a banner called brawler with 3 arcade game under it double dragon/renegade/final fight i just thought brawler was the name from that.
When are they gonna make a river city ransom 2 with the guys this girls got a sequel but heck I gonna get them all oh and they need to make a shank 3 I beat the hell out of 1&2
easy choise. shredders revenge any day of the week. I like final vendetta but don't love it. the mechanics throw me off and the ending isn't all that. Not to piss over the game. i like it. just not blown away with this one. shredders revenge on the other hand, oohh man. it's up there with streets of rage 4 as one of the best modern beat em ups. i think it notches over streets of rage 4 even.
Streets of Rage 4 will be very tough to top. Definitely not by something as mediocre as this. The team behind SOR4 music and levels truly went out of their way to create a tour-de-force masterpiece. The only thing the game does wrong - is spreading itself too thin with all the new characters, most of which turned out to be lackluster and poorly made. Instead, they should've focused on the original 3 characters, expanding their fighting arsenal and putting more effort into animations. As the saying goes - quantity does not mean quality. Cause as it currently stands, even Adam got the short end of the stick. That is a significant blunder, and one day it will be the ticket to the top of some other game, which will have a smarter vision and approach. That is, if the hypothetical newcomer can match the sheer amount of effort and commitment of the SOR4 team. And while that is rather unlikely to happen, but is not impossible in the long run. At least in theory.
@@HexenStar With streets of rage 4 they practically got a very good platform to expend on. Noone would be mad seeing streets of rage 5 with a similair style now. The bar is set high,very high. I'd place streets of rage 4 in the top of all streets of rage games. 2 is my favorite. But 4 might be 2nd best. I most definitely prefer 4 over 1 and 3. I think 3 is somewhat underrated.
@@RetroGamerBoy I love streets of rage 4. I think it is one of the best games the past 10 years. They did everything right. Shredders revenge tough sets me back in front of a crt playing retro games like on the snes,neogeo, etc etc. It's a toss up between streets of rage and turtles. You can't go wrong with either. These 2 are undenieable the "creaaam of the crop". I might prefer one over the other but not without the other. I'm glad we got both in such good form. final vendetta got a easy mode now....thank god XD. Also nice game. Bit shallow tough.
I prefer Final Vendetta. But they are both good. Undecided on the graphics which I prefer... SR + Online mp + More than 2p + Cool license +- Music is hit and miss - Too long - Too chaotic FV + Really good feel + More strategic + Good music + Good difficulty level - Too short - No online mp
I do not know if streets of rage 4 dominated the beat em up genere since it came out (personally i didnt liked it that much as it differs sooooooooooooo much from sor3 (its more like sor2 with juggles) .. and the "android" games graphics made i didnt liked... so it ended up in "i enjoyed" the game but not really like it. (and i know you can unlock sor3 style characters with run, I did it). I resume this as SOR4 was a step backwards in terms of what sor3 gave us now what i think is the BEST beat em up game that came out in the last years (up untill tmnt s.r.) is the absolutely awesome Fight N Rage, this game is top notch in every aspect. Final Vendetta is a nice game, short, straight to the point, and kinda like final fight 1 style with some elements from vendeta with some juggles , nice game and the combo with block system is nice (but not ground breaking)... farily basic beat em up with some nice graphics/animations, and music (didnt loved it didnt hated it) , one thing that is absolutely NOT nice about this game, there is no continues (it took me 3 tries to finish it on hard, and didn't played it again once i finished it). Tmnt Shredders Revenge is MAGICAL, I started playing it yesterday and its pure magic, perfect gameplay, perfect graphics, a hell lot of content, catchi music, its a very VERY good game overall.. so final vengetta vs tmnt? no doubt tmnt is far superior.
SoR4 had 87% of total sales for the genre over the last 2 years based on chart track data, which is pretty dominant. Which game you choose will always come down to personal preference.
@@RetroGamerBoy yeah i know , what i meant was i think it was more a "nostalgia" factor than a product based thing... of course every choose is personal. :) if you havent played Fight N Rage I strongly recomend you to do it
@@xTerrySunderlandx Streets of Rage 4 did and still does dominate, and for a good reason. It is truly an audio-visual masterpiece. And while it is not perfect, (and by that i mean the introduction of some pointlessly boring characters, and slacking on Adam's animations) otherwise, - it is as close to the ultimate oldschool beat'em up as things can get. Olivier Deriviere, the music team and the level artists deserve a special medal for this one. Streets of Rage 3 - is the worst thing ever to happen to the genre. No wonder the franchise got a heart attack and died after that flop, and it took over 20 years to resuscitate it.
Final Vendetta é curto, fino e broxa... Falando sério agora, final Vendetta é um jogo curto, com personagens horríveis, história patética, péssimo som , a jogabilidade é boa e só. Vale para pegar a platina apenas. Na expectativa do Double Dragon Rise.
TMNT Shredder's Revenge sucks turtle balls. It's a mashing buttons for casuals. I don't like Chibi style graphics. And April is a reporter not a NINJA!! Sorry for shaking the hive lol
Mashing buttons? Really dude ? You must really suck at playing games you actually need to have skills to be good at TMNT it's not just button mashing try that and you will get killed all the time .
