Finally...A Better Iron Cross Version! 

I’ve tried something like this on bubble craps where the limits are very low, three bucks on the five, between 10 and 12 on the six and eight and then a two dollar field bet. Let the field ride three times, if it hits again, pull it down and you pretty much paid for the roll. You can take a little off the six and eight and spread it out and then it just becomes press fest. You’ll still make money on a good roll and won’t get destroyed when they suck. You’re not gonna make a fortune, but you can survive on a pretty low bankroll if you just wanna have some fun.😊

I fully agree that once your profitable you can and should do whatever you want. In fact, I am not against putting up a $10 place 5 to cover the field once profitable. There's lots of ways to customize this play. You did an awesome job explaining it! Thanks for showing it Jeremy.

Once you are in profit you should cover the 5 in my opinion.

I've never been a huge fan of the Iron Cross, but I've been tinkering with ways to play it for a long time to see if I could make it better, too. I've done the Red Cross, The Crossbow, and now Greg and Chris this one, which is the complete opposite. I love the drawdown concept of this one, which makes the field bleed so much less of an issue! Well done gang

Thanks for rolling this out. Awesome video and explanation!

I like this update to the iron cross. The only thing I would add is that once I’m in profit I would put a minimum bet on the 5. I plan on giving this a try too.

Played this at GSR yesterday and here are some modifications that helped me 1) if you hit a field number first. Place the 5 right away for $20 (60/60/20 level). That way you are covering the 5 with profits. Its only on loan to the board until you get a 6/8 hit or 3 field hits or a combination. There were a few times it saved me yesterday. Hit an 11 first and then placed the 5, and then a 5 hit. 2) I was playing a $15 table so instead of regressing to iron cross. I regressed to $66 inside so at most I am in the hand for $16. 3) I used a ladder when I lost. I actually went up to $120 each and $40 on the field. In hindsight I could have done $90 each and $30 in field. I did win money and there were a bunch of short rolls.

I've done this, I like it. But I do use my field winnings to place the rest of the numbers. Love it when 2 or 12 rolls so I can cover 4 & 10 right away.

For those who are/is/want to hop the 5's, you can. Like the field bet, hopping numbers can get expensive. Just like Jeremy said. There is a strategy hopping the 5's using the iron cross. One RU-vid video called it quarter pound w/ EZ. On the 6/8 you bet $60. Hop the 5's $5 each. Field bet $35. Like Jeremy said, you can work your bets with the puck on or off. Big Red doesn't care because Big Red will show up anytime on any roll. 6/8 rolls, you win $70. Minus $35 field minus 10 hopping 5's. A profit of $25. A field number roll, you win $35 minus $10 hopping 5's. A profit $25. If a 5 is rolled, you win $75. Minus $5 for the other 5, minus $35 for field bet. A profit $35. Depend on the casino field layout, 2 or 12 pays double or triple, double wins $70 minus $10 hopping 5's. A profit of $60. Triple payout is a profit of $95. Then from there, you can bet whichever method your heart desire.

How about we do this since you're doing away with the 5 replace it with the 9 then you can get a double pay if 5 hits you still only loose 20 that's how I play it

I have been playing a straight Place 6 & 8 strategy - This is a GREAT balance! This is my favorite strategy YET!

Went in for $500 and lost $470 in about 40 rolls. Just too many early rolls. I like the concept but the dice like any strat has to cooperate. Need to look at hedging the early rolls.

Winner winner t-bone steak dinner.

I love it, and can’t wait to try this the next time I’m at a casino. You raise a good point, that is what to do after you regress. Do you stay with the Iron T, or do you go across, with a C & E? If you’re ambitious maybe you can do a Color Up video comparing a player that stays with the Iron T vs. a player that goes across with a C&E

I like it, I'd probably add the 5 back after the regression though and a 2 or 12 would give you the breathing room to add some of the outside place bets. Would make it a little less of a grind. But yeah, overall dropping the 5 to start is pretty smart.

Well if we remove the 5, lets remove the 6. 8, and field and go get lunch lol

played this a couple days ago, went up about $250 in 10 minutes, cashed out and went home. Thanks for the vids!

I hop the 5’s until the first field hit, then place the 5 at table minimum. At least it covers the hole and hopping is only a $2 investment.

How about after your regress, use first win to put $10 on the 5. That would disarm the 5 from taking your $10 field bet!!! Or use part of first win at $140 to bet $20 on 5 to do same thing. $20 $60 $60. Five can roll quite often to steal that field bet.

This is not new Tony Leo played this way for years

If you parlay your field and hit it you are at your win. If the 6 or 8 hit you have your $50. Good strategy

What do you think about hoppin the five

I used this strategy last weekend on a bubble craps machine. Got my money out after one 6/8 or two field hits. Covered all the box numbers. Had some crazy long rolls while pressing and regressing. Took it to a $600 profit. Put a hundred in my wallet and decided rather than making the two hour drive home with $500 , to go for $1000. Ugh. Lost the $500 plus took the hundred and another hundred out of my wallet and went home down a hundred. It’s just entertainment money I play with, but still………. What an idiot I felt like on that long drive home lol

I would say you had profitable rolls. The Standard did $20 less in profits. It is a nice improvement.

Once you've merged to the 70 casino money, you should cover the 5 and then cover the rest of the field with a horn bet asap

What about Laying the 5 instead of ignoring it? That way you shift the risk away from the 7.. 6 ways to roll a 7, only 4 ways to roll a 5..

I DEFINITELY like this strategy, BUT I would make it SLIGHTLY BETTER by just putting $20 on the number 5 when you have your FIRST stage Iron Cross out where you have $60 each on the 6 and 8, and $20 in the Field, and then when you have the REDUCED Iron Cross with $30 EACH on the 6 and 8 and $10 in the Field, I would ALSO have $10 on the number 5, so this way instead of LOSING the $20 or $10, you will make either $8 of $4 when the 5 hits! I just DON'T like to leave out the 5!

Another thing you could do is lay the 4 or 10 for the amount on the 6,8 and field a few roles to hedge the 7.

I like to playing craps. But in Singapore the table is so hight on weekday is $25 and weekends is $50 😂

Hi Jeremy, Of course I want to try this. I'm a big fan of placing higher initial bets and regressing down after 1 or 2 hits. I'll play it out on Crapsee and post my results on my channel

With my luck it would be 10 5’s in a row then seven

Jeremy, as a hedge, would you put money on the don't pass? If so how much? Thanks.

What ive been doing play pass line say its an 8 ill do odds, then put money on the 6 and the DC and put 2 dollads in the center for a 2 dollar 11. So ill win on a 2,3,6,8 And 11. If itd a 6.8 ill no action the DC. If its a 5 ill go behind the 5 lay odds. If its a 12 i lose 2 dollars do it again. If its a 4,9,10 i go behind it and then place money on the field. So i got everything covered

Had the worst luck with this. My first time I was placing come bets instead of field because I'm an idiot and rolled a 7. My 2nd round I rolled 5 three times and then a 7. Tried again and 7 comes up 2nd roll 😂

Love this strategy but any time I hit the field I place it on another number. Always cover the five on my first hit in the field. Once I have all the numbers across, I just bet CnE or horn every roll depending upon my bankroll in my radio and on the table

I never work my bets on the come-out, because it never seems to work the way this rollout goes, lol (I know math is math, and the 7 comes out once every 6...but with this strategy might try it)

Seems consistent, but iron cross or no I'm unsure why you wouldn't always min bet pass or don't pass given their tiny house edge. The strategy otherwise remains the same with a small investment increase at a lower house edge than all the other bets you're working.

I love the Iron Cross!!!

I’ve been trying to optimize an iron cross variant where I hop the 5 for the firsts 3 rolls. $30 6&8 and a $15 field minus $2 for the hop means on average that makes around $15 per roll. Once I have $45-$50 in hand I change it up depending on how it’s going. Definitely have to give your version a try though!

Can you play this strat with pass line and odds? Or does that have too much risk reward?

I like it. Only thing for me is $15 minimum tables in my area. So in order to regress, you would have to start at 30 on the field and 84 each on 6 and 8.

I would like to see some kind of pressure strategy, even if it's just pressing the 6 and 8 when a 2 or 12 rolls for the field.

Once im in the profit, i add money to the hardways and odds on my donts

Ok. Traditional Iron Cross ($5 table; $17 total on the 5, 6, & 8 with a $5 field bet). It would take 4 field rolls, or 8 inside number rolls to break even on a $23 wager. You would be out $23 should the shooter 7-out immediately after the come out roll. The proposed strategy at the same $5 table ($30 total inside on 6 & 8 with a $5 field bet). Without the regression component and with the 3x ratio, You would need 3 rolls on 6/8 to recuperate your money, now 6 field rolls to recuperate the investment, and on top of that, you would be out $35 should the worst case scenario happen, which is $12 more than the base strategy. The trade off does not seem worth it to me. Not a fan of the new proposal. I would consider just eliminating the 5 as a bet and using that as a baseline to lower my wager size from $23 to $17, while giving up the extra rolls on the 5 to expedite the process of being profitable quicker.

Hop the 5s for $5 each

DICE GAME WARNING... THIS WILL NOT WORK AS SHOWN EVERYTIME... me personally start adding come bets now everything covered

I play what I call the broken cross. 1.) I don’t bet the five 2.) I have 48 on the 6 & 8 $15 in the field. I can do this because we have $15 tables in Florida during the day. 3.) Any three hits and I’m done with that shooter. Refer back to your video of years ago. Are you a loser? I have people ask me if I get bored with the sameness of it. I never get bored banking somebody else’s money, LOL There are a few more idiosyncrasies. I never go beyond about five rolls. If I haven’t gotten my three hits by then I’m done. That happens when it takes too long to establish a point. If it is an especially cold table, I will only go four rolls. Roll on, Eddie On The Money

I called that "The CREEPER" Because I always creep up. I never knew that was a strategy. Cool

I like this strategy, but it only works cleanly at the $10 level if you only want to work with 2 chips colors. A $15 table would essentially be $30 field and $90 6/8, regressing down to $15 field and either $42 or $48 6/8; similar results at the $25 level. Still works in theory, just messier. In these scenarios, I'd round up to $20 and $30 respectively to make it easier on everyone

Just by your scheme, as you have shown in the video, it will not work. There will be a loss and quite a big one. For example, if you play black chips, the first repetition of 7 on the output will be minus 700. And such repetitions at least 4-5 per 100 clips will be. That's minus 3500. This works if you play through DC or wait until the point is set to avoid the series 7 7 7 7 7 11. And it is even better to make 5-6 hits and stop the series. for example 6 or 8 then you went down and then 4 more hits.OR 9 10 11 went down and only 2 more hits . hit the number did not hit it is as luck. It's been tested on long rolls.

I've been playing this out and it seems like my results have been a little better if I pull down and go $44 Inside on the 2nd Field hit (instead of 3rd). That reduces risk from $100 ($140 - $40 from 2 field hits) to $4. If the 6/8 hit first, I still go $44 inside with a $6 profit already. And if I get a Field hit before the 6/8, I go straight to $66 across with $4 banked. After that, bank/press (1 unit ea on sisters) adding the 4/10 first to cover the box. Would love to see you compare this to the Iron-T here like you've done with "The Standard". This has been a little more grindy, but with less big swings due to lower risk and slower start for press. I like the comments about betting Hard Ways with change tho since those are multi-roll bets. Think I'll be adding that.

make it 42 & 15 less investment. almost the same payout regress to 30 & 10. once you get pass roll 6-8, you gotta start pressing bets, or else why do you play craps...We want that 1K$+ win.

I’d call this the “Profit T” strategy, especially if you don’t add numbers to the boxes and just collect. Even at 3 hits to cash (all field) averages say you can expect 2-3 more rolls for money, could be winning as much as 50% of the original bet.

Every 2 or 12 hit should generate a place bet starting with the 5, then, 9, the 4, the 10. You're capturing extra profit on a long roll, plugging a hole, and double-dipping on the 4, 9, and 10. Possibly even start with the 5 and then go to the hard 6 an 8 before the 4, 9, and 10. Fun strategy though!!

Still think laying the 5, 3 units in 6 and 8, double unit on field is better odds. Gotta curve that 7

I saw a guy playing something like this (but table minimums were $15, too rich for me) The only change he did was placing $15 on the don't pass for the come out roll, and played $15 on the field. Think he played over an hour, walked away with chips and was smiling, so I think he did ok, or at least didn't lose much.

Hop the 5's for 2 bucks each roll. Solves the 5 problem. Now only the 7 is bad. You're welcome! Also, when regressing, I'd suggest you have a bet on the 5 so you keep all the numbers in play (besides 7)

I've seen it take 28 rolls just to establish a point, (you wouldn't think that was possible, but it is) if most of those are 7's and your bets are working, you are in a world of hurt. I hate to say it, but I tossed six come-out 7's in a row today; luckily, I wasn't working my bets. It didn't win me anything, because I as betting both sides of the pass line ;)

I've been using this for a couple months now. If Crapsee tournaments, one can start out big then regress with no worries. Takes a minimum of rolls to get Out of the Hand. Easily win $6-700 on a good shooter at the Casino. Yes profits can cover the 5. Thanks Jeremy for this one.

There are also 2 better version of iron cross. 1 version is you can also hop the 5 with $2. 2nd version is you bet 2 unit 4-5-9-10. 3 unit 6-8, then 1 unit horn. That will also be a lower risk higher win version of iron cross.

I like the base of this strategy - especially early and will def be giving it a try at some point. I do think however that getting the outside placed once you are starting to get into profit is the correct line of play. For a $5 table i think my strategy would end up being once you have recoup'd the $140 to start using field hits to place the 5 for $10 first, then the 4 & 10 for $5, and finally the 9 for $10 and let the field double dip on those outside numbers.

Once you regress are the you in Profit? You pulled 120 down and only have 90 on the board....where am I wrong?

I like it....once you get that one hit on the 6 or 8 (in profit) and have that 70 dollars left on table, I would then switch to the Squeeze Play start and move to 66 inside...and go on from there

After I get into profit I would just place the 5-9 25 each and power press and collect Also place a hard 4-10 for 5 each if it hits place the 4-10 No more field.

I place 30$ on the 6 and 8 ....25$ on the 5 and 10$ on the field ... that way you always are making money. Once I get two three or 4 hits with no seven, I then I take my bets down and put 5$ on the dont come and lay max odds. Works great sometimes a guy will hit a point and you will lose your dont come bets. But lots of time the seven rolls and hopefully you have a few dont comes on the board. Does me very well, I usually leave as soon as I im up profit any where from 50 to 200 bucks. Then I go for dinner on the house. You can martingale this strategy to make up for some hot rollers. I usually win 7 out of ten times I play because I hit and run. Trust me hitting a few place bets then taking them down adds up. I rarely play the pass line or the dont pass. I just wait till the point is on.

I like it, thanks for sharing!

Thanks regression on the T love it, i have to try this next time i am in Reno, although cheaper to throw there on Thursday because on Friday Saturday its $25 a pop at Silver legacy, which means the field can get expensive without cover on the 5, i would feel better with me shooting and covering the 5 then branching out after regression, cheers

Can you mix this strategy with the mathematician strategy from about a year ago? Bets on 6/8 that increase from 12, 30, 90 after each seven?

I just showed this system? Did you happen to catch that by chance. Good vid though

I noticed something. You usually throw a seven when you just throw the dice. When you give them a good shake, you tend to throw very long. Same happens to me when I throw them. Just an observation

Ok, I just got back from the casino and tried this strategy.....I was absolutely destroyed. It wasn't the strategy for I never got to use it. Why? I was at a $15 minimum table (the lowest one they had), so I wanted to put down a larger first bet with the 3:1 ratio from the 6/8 to the "field". My initial bet was on the 6/8 at $90 each and $30 on the field for a total of $210 on the table. Then using this strategy, once my 6/8 hit, regress to $45 on 6/8 and $15 on Field. Awesome, got it set and ready to roll. The first shooter comes out, very first roll...you guessed it..."7". Ok, just bad luck to start, let's do another $210 on the table...The second roll...you guessed it.."7". Down $420 just on 2 rolls. Ok, going to stick with this strategy...another $210 on the table, shooter let's see what you can do...third roll out..wait for it, wait for you it..."Bam"...a "7". Let's try a final time, my fourth set of $210 on the table. The fourth roll, ok let's get this train going...roll out...All together, lets say it together on "1, 2, 3....."7". That's right, on 4 rolls in a matter of 3 minutes, I lost $840. The looks I got from my wife. We stayed the night at the casino, she was so upset at me, that she gave me no action back in our room. So I crapped out from the table and the bedroom.

I think it improves it. I am usually on $25 min tables so it increases my exposure but also the payoff. I also Always have $5 on all the hardways so your last shooter was awesome for me.

Jeremy - another good video, thanks. I like your black chip trays that go the long way - where did you get them? Also - what is your spreadsheet or software for checking the standard?

I would like to see one of those strategies played out using the actual dice odds. Not actual dice rolls or hypotheticals. If sevens have a 6 in 36 chance of being rolled or a 1 in seven statistical occurrence rate then use those against the strategy. I think that we would see the house advantage for real.

I still prefer Dealer John’s “Iron Condor” strategy, that’s not what you and he called it but that’s what I call it.

Maybe I just need to practice it, but too many moving parts for me. Felt safer and more positive results when bets on the Arnold system.

I like it, play tested a couple times both ended up in profit. Nice transition to using the field to cover your box numbers and box numbers to feed your rack, lot of ways you can play this after you are out of the hand.

Another great video. Keep them coming. Love this strategy. Thanks for sharing. I believe this is one of the few times a strategy did better than the “standard”. Interesting.

I just watched your Grand Casino 27 count roll. Why was the 'Tall' not paid?

It seems to me that a lay 4 or 10 after a few numbers would be a good hedge on this strategy. The hedge should be twice the field.

After what seemed like an eternity, the dice took to the air. “Hard 4, Hard 4!” shouted the dealer. Pandemonium erupted. Trish noticed that the man to her right was recording the latest roll in his small, spiral notebook. Noticing Trish’s curiosity, he said, “After the game, I like to see how the numbers played out.” “What I want to know is how the numbers are going to play out going forward. ” “That I cannot tell you,” said the man, with a wry smile, “but I do know the 7 is way overdue.” “Are you saying the smart money would take the bets off?” asked Trish. “Definitely,-but if you play it safely, you may come out even or have a slight margin of win or loss. What everyone is hoping for is for someone at the table to hold the dice for a long roll. If anyone can do it, this fellow can.” A young man at the other end of the table with an impressive arrangement of black and green chips on the rack clapped his hands loudly, did a celebratory pirouette, and said, “We’re going for a long ride, baby.” He then picked up four black chips, tossed them to the stickman for hardway bets, and prognosticated that they were safe as the gold at Fort Knox. Trish thought that -at least in part-the young man’s buoyancy was powered by all the drinks he had consumed. People were still making their bets and the dice nestled in the crook of the stick in the middle of the table. Trish took down her bets. --from my novel "A Ballet of the Dice"

A whole lot of IFS in there 🤦‍♂️

No 5 and no 7, no 57= can you call it the Heinz? Or No Heinz? (Heinz 57) 😊

Field bet is too low, 10 combos on the 6/8 vs 16 combos on the field w jackpot on the 2/12.

My birthday 5/7 ;)

Maybe I missed a video or two. However, I love this format with the numbers at the end and everything

I have frequently used this system and have done well with it. It's simple with no complicated moving parts and you can scale it up or down.

Thx to all three, Jeremy for the rollout, Dice Degan for collaborating in the design of the T, and Greg -we miss you at 555! This is the Best modified Iron Cross I’ve ever seen. Period.

SWEET strategy and roll out. Would LOVE to see one for fun with HOP bets

excellent strategy. It's always difficult to stay disciplined and not get greedy

You were already in profit and you did not press your bets and you could have added the 5 as well. You lost money. You had great rolls. So after your in profit, what is your goal?

Why was your first number 8? Your first roll was a 3.

I would start using field winnings to cover the other numbers

I tried this tonight and I think I might start to use it instead of Double Tap

I love the field, been waiting for another Iron Cross video like this for a while. Thanks for reading my mind. "Live or die in the field"

Regression - of course !

Avg random shooter based on math you have 1/6 chance to roll a 7 so if u can get out of the hand in 6 or less rolls you should be fine, if you pratice dice control you can change the odds to stretch to 1/7, 1/8,1/9 and so on

Maybe press the field every once in a while

I actually do like this version as far as getting out of the hand a bit quicker. The only thing that I'm adding is that once you're in profit, place a $10 5, and then if a 5 does roll, you actually make $4 instead of losing $10. I absolutely love it I will be playing it when I get to the casino today ❤

Really like this strategy. Will try it next time at the table. Thanks for the video!