Strategy I Switched to and Won! 

I like playing on royal. They rate us very well on the craps table

Yep, prolly a good move to regress all bets after 4 knocked off

Jeremy, can you run a video where you take all presses down if the 4 gets hit? I think that's smart, and would be great to see the strategy rolled out with maybe 1-2 tweaks in it. Maybe the other tweak is to put thay $70 on 4 instead of $60 as well. Regardless..great stuff! I'm loving these cruise comp strategies. Can't wait to cruise!

Great first night! How are you playing?

Must not have ended well

Yeah, in my one trip experience I found quickly each boxman rates diff. I wish it wasn’t so subjective. It is interesting that they would not give anything for lay bet but do for DP? I will see and have to adapt accordingly. Thanks for heads up.

Hope you enjoyed it!

I’m not a hedger either, but with different goal, different strategy is required

What is nice about this strategy is it isn't intended to be a profit maker, so the hedge isn't working against you. Yet if you color up, that is a bonus! This looks like a great way to burn a few hours having fun and 'earning' your next cruise.

Probably similar. Just picking poison of which number gets ya.

I will try 😄

I wonder if they use the roll count to calculate the comps. If more rolls per hour gives you more comps. Maybe get a table early by yourself to start rolling as quickly as you can

@@ColorUp That would be amazing if you managed to pull it off!!

Just got off Harmony of the Seas; they rate you on base bet and don't count odds. They initially rated me at $30 hr after a hour of play; I was like WTF. Then they upped it to $75 rating per hour then again to $120. Every time they change your bet rating the clock re-starts. I found standing on the end next to one of the dealers was the best spot to play from. Dealers were great; I'd tell them my strategy, they would know ahead of time my bets; I'd have chips in hand ready to go. By the end of my first night I knew to ensure my bet rating was accurate, I'd ask every dealer shift change to confirm my position and bet rating. On Harmony dealers and pit boss had an ipad type device on a swivel arm which usually was positioned where the pit boss would sit to enter bets for comps "across from stick man". The dealer next to me could spin the ipad around; look at your position on the table; tell you your name and bet average within a few seconds. The dealer could then update your bet average with a few clicks if the pit boss wasn't at the table. IMO start off with big bets get that initial high bet rating and confirm it with the pit boss or dealer. The dealers and pit boss know everyone is playing for free cruise comps and are rooting for you to win, they will work with you to ensure you are executing your betting strategy and having fun. It makes it much easier for the dealers if English isn't their first language to pay out and be accurate if you tell them in advance what your strategy is. Ensure to tip well, first night; I colored up over +45% on $1k bank roll and dropped dealers a black chip for couple hours play time. I did several two-way bets and was tipping while playing. Original strategy was LiD after several PSO/YO 11's out on come out switched to 3-point Dolly/Molly, got back to starting bankroll and switched to $110 inside reduction strategy. Didn't get as much play time as I'd like as we were cruising with kids, have two more cruises scheduled this year and will hit the free cruise easily.

Agreed Rolled this through Crapsee and its performing a lot better.

I’m not a cruise ship they don’t let you have improper bets. Yes on land based casinos $25 pays $29 on the 6/8, but on cruises you don’t have that option.

This strategy is to earn comps. 25 then odds would play better, but odds bet isn’t rated so you’d lose 75 points per hr there, same with regression. Although smart play and one I like to do, when trying to earn comps it would remove your points.

I should add that I did this same strategy on day 2, and only got about 400 points over a couple hours. I ended up down another $100. It was a different PB so it might just be luck of the draw. I'll also admit that I didn't do a great job of recording my time, so those estimates might be off -- I'm not used to playing for comps! Since I already had the free cruise, I just played "All Day" for a couple hours along with $10 BJ on the final day. I ended up right at 2000 total points. Overall a great success -- booked a 4 day cruise for next February. I should easily get to Prime next cruise, which is in June, and I'll get another free one!

? I start with hard 4 covered.

@@ColorUp yes, I would move the $10 to add to the bet you place there with the first hit

@@Shiprekjim not a bad idea actually, then you mitigate potential hard ways losses. Although you miss out on the big hard way hit, You already hedged that a fair bit with your place winnings.

Ah ok. That’s an option for sure.

Good luck, let me know how it goes and how they rate you.

Will do that. I will be on RC in a few weeks. Wish me luck 🙏

Last one….for now ha. And I only recommend hedging for a free cruise. In casinos play for cash, not comps, there comps aren’t worth it.

Yes I think my casino doesnt rate you if you just hedge and they secretly say play bubble craps

Well points reset as there calander year starts on April 1. So to get 2500 I’ll have to play a lot on next cruise or go on two cruises 😎

Yep, I put a quick note on screen about that. 7 pays same, only lose half money, both true. Only concern is now double the dice combos that can lose. But still, only losing $100 at a time vs a $200 whack. I’m going to do some more playing around with that idea.

Intriguing, would you want to split the hardways cover too?

🤔🤔🤔

I did in past. It ruins suspense at end and stops people watching early.

For 1200 points, I'd guess 150-200 choices of cruises. But I did reach 1500 points so I got $100 freeplay and the choices were about 400. They ranged, from interior to balcony, and 3 days to 14 days.

Well the vig is 5% which is great for them. The issue is off setting bets, they don’t like. Which is also good for casino as it is nearly impossible to win playing off setting bets, it’s really only good for earning comps…and they don’t like that.

I wouldn’t, my mistake. You get vig returned when bet is returned, but not on a win

I have 3 scheduled. I release those dates only to my Green color up club members though....otherwise there would be too many people trying to squeeze onto one ship table

Well that lay is only at risk till you can get hedged with place bet. 2 rolls. If you just hedge DP, for come out. Then that DP can ends up on a number like 6/8 which isn’t ideal.

Yep, I’d say most. In ships I’ve heard a little more fair to players.

I’m thinking split the 4/10 might be a little less risky…unless only 4/10 roll 😭

Only risking $20 on 7, but have $200 risked on 4, so I use first two hits to protect that 4 asap

I’d say it depends on how bad the lay bet hurt. If doing well enough after losing lay and still have good profit, I’d consider letting them ride. Another thing you can do is reduce them, maybe to table minimum. If roll continues you can just build them back up.

You can ask, they may or may not increase. That’s the issue with table games ratings, it’s too subjective

Your decision. I mixed it up

the idea is to cover your inside bets. Lay bet pays half, so a lay bet of $100 would win $50, $140 would pay $70, or pick a number inbetween. The hard way pays 7:1 so bet enough to cover your lay bet, or most of it. $10 pays $70, $20 pays $140

On come out roll, bets are automatically off, so no need to hedge against 7

@@ColorUp darn. I knew that. I didn't think it all the way thru. Thanks.

Same thing just add a minimum pass bet.

I’m unfamiliar with that. But essentially how much money you have on table is how much points you get. $50 on table about 50 points if you play strat for hour. $500 on table would earn you 500 if played for hour.

Im not sure playing for comps at land based casinos is worth it. Playing on ship is. I heard someone say, Vegas: play $1000s to win $100s in comps, Cruise: play 100s to win $1000s in comp

@ColorUp never heard that, thanks though. What's a good way to get more comps then?

@@icebergslim1872 its all based on your ADT, average daily theoretical. Basically how much the casino thinks you will lose a the casino on average, then they give back a percentage of this expected loss. Doesn't mean you have to lose, you can win with some luck. This boils down to avg bet sizes and time at table. The best way to get comps is to be a big player and then get connected with a casino host. For me, im not a big player, so it doesn't make sense to chase or try and get comps, I just try to win a couple 100$. To me it's not worth risking $1000s playing just to earn a meal or show...just my 2 cents. Of course if you are playing big anyway, then the extra comps are nice.

No reason, I just like even amounts. 30 then go to 60. If casino allows $35 but still just charges $1 vig that would be the smart play for sure.

Good point. No I didn’t. I did standard at $10 and 345x odds. But on RoyCar ships only allow 345x odds at $50 line bet.

@@ColorUp Single odds allowed for $10 and double odds for $25 ?

@@darrellq6954 yes, that’s correct. Single odds at table min. Double odds at $25, then 345x odds at $50

@@ColorUp that’s so weak. Penny pinching. But the best feeling in the world is when you win enough to cover the cost of your cruise.

If pulling lay back the most likely number 7 hurts more.

@@ColorUp $60 from that lay is going to cover the $30 buy on the 4. You are paying $2-$3 in vig for no reason. Remove $60 from your lay, don’t buy the 4, I saved you $2 bucks. Espeeeecially with the vig up front. If the vig was behind, you might be able to convince me. If I was in my cups.

@@bettor1actual544 $200 lay bet pays s $100 to protect your bets from the 7 rolling. Shifts risk from 7 to the 4. Then we bet on the 4, to lessen risk of 4. If you just lower lay bet to $60, now if 7 rolls you win $30 but lose your $110 inside bet. ? Unless you are trying to explain something else?

Different goals. Earning free cruise comps you want to keep as much money on table with least amount of volatility as long as possible. Completely different than standard trip to casino.

Excellent reply sir… love the vids!

Hardway is $5. Roll 7 you lose 44+5 and win 40- loss of 9 roll easy 4 you lose $40 roll hard 4 you lose $40 but win $35 - only loss of 5 this strategy moves big risk from 7 to the 4. The hardway protects against one of the three rolls to roll a 4. So that only two dice combos hurt you bad. 3-1 and 1-3

Yes, why wouldn’t they

@@ColorUp because it's a useless bet that takes up space on their table. You're betting for and against the same number. It's no different than trying to play both "pass" and "don't pass" which I have explicitly seen casinos say you can't do.

Plenty casinos do allow the “doey dont” pass and don’t pass at same time. But you are correct some do not. Both bets are still independent bets and carry their own house edge, so it’s to casinos advantage to allow. this strat doesn’t start out that way though as The lay 4 is exposed until enough profit to hedge it. this is a play just to keep as much money on layout without risk as possible for cruise comp points. Also, some cruise ships when a bet is hedged this way will not count both bets towards comps. I would not recommend this on land based casinos.

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I just watched the video again. I see you placed a bet to cover the $80 lay. So how much would I need to place on the 4 to cover the lay. Also, if the table is hot would I just be placing or buy bet to cover the 10.

Lay bet should be about double whatever you bet inside. so 80 covers 44 inside. As far as protecting the the 80 with a buy bet. Make it whatever you feel comfortable with. Bet 20 to pay 40, covers half. Bet 25 to pay 50, and if the 25 came from casino and not your pocket, you could pull it down after it pays and essentially have 75 back which nicely hedges that loss of 80. Yes if roll is long and making money, cover that 10 as well

Any time you want to

Sure can. Math is bad though. Seven should show every 6 rolls. So one time you lose $100 without hedge bet, 5 times you would lose $25 ($125) with hedge bet. Of course that’s if dice roll perfectly to math probability. Any 7 bet could save you money or cost you money. Just depends how the dice roll.

Well your lay bet should cover your inside bet. So $22 inside (5,6,8,9) you’d want about a $40 Lay bet to pay back $20. $110 inside I used a $200 lay bet. And so on.

Easier yes, but it’s pulling more money from your rack.

Got it. Thank you 😊

You wouldn’t it’s my mistake when the bets returned to you you get your big back, but if it’s a winner, you would not get your big back

345x odds

Maybe you missed point of strategy? I want that 4 hedges so I don’t lose money on it. It’s not about winning with good bets, it’s about time at table and size of bets.

On cruise? Or land. I know they don’t rate like this in land. I’m hearing rumblings about more cruises not rating both ways.

@@ColorUp my experience was on land.

Certainly could. It’s hedged though and eventually that 7 is coming and it will win so 🤷‍♂️

So use lay bet to hedge just that one roll? That’s a thought.

On the other hand, if I use don’t pass, then it might end up on 5-9, 🤷‍♂️

What is nice about that first move is you get to the original light and dark play and only 3 ways to loose. ( either way that’s the hole if your out to make money versus “earn a free cruise”)

Lay bets are always on. Yes it would pay anytime the 7 rolls.

Awesome, thank you 😊

When playing for points, you want to keep money on the table not reduce. Thus place against lay vs remove.

@@ColorUp well then you know you're basically paying for those player points when you do that move

Mathematically makes no difference. Although any roll that a bet is off, it is not subject theoretically to house edge, so in that sense it “saves” money.

From what I understand if you're going for comps like this strategy is, the way Craps tends to get rated is that your average bet goes into the computer and your rating tends to just be that average bet combined with your time played (or sometimes number of rolls if the casino tracks that way). The system tends not to be granular enough to track the exact amount bet on each individual roll (which is why pressing bets doesn't always help comp strategies since it requires someone to manually update your bet on the computer). If it were possible to do so, the best strategy for comps would be to put down a big initial bet to get rated, then just turn your bets off and hang out at the table accumulating points but risking nothing! But of course the boxman will step in there and you won't get rated if you try that. If you're a place better, your bets are off automatically on come out rolls, but you're just playing normally so you'll be rated normally. So essentially, if you're a place better you'll probably be rated the same whether you have your bets on or off on the come-out rolls, so you should probably keep them off (if you're playing for comps).

@@ColorUp I’m a fan of the 440-220-110 regression you posted awhile back. And I never cared about the point or not. My buddies I play with never work em while the point is off. I guess it comes down to personal preference lol. It sure feels good to win on a come out roll, but man it suuuure sucks to lose on a frontline winner seven 😂

I just like even amounts

You can work whichever you want, 2 of your 4 bets, all but one. Whatever you like.

Good to know thanks, I’ll give it a rip and see how it goes.

@@303Gaming-h1pdepends on the casino. My home casino in Reno does not partially work bets. I guess on the cruise they do?

I’ve also been told that it’s all or nothing. Maybe it differs by casino?

@@EricG108 it must, because I’ve never seen that. It makes no sense. If they say that, say “sure, take all the other bets down and then after this roll you can set them all back up…or you can just turn the one bet on”. A lot less work for dealer.

A lay bet vig is returned to player if lay bet is taken down. However in this case it was a winning bet, so you are correct, vig wouldn’t be returned.

Not familiar with that. It’s essentially how much is out in the table. If $100 on table on avg. 100 points per hour would be your avg.

@@ColorUpThe Arnold strategy by Waylon’s which you’ve rolled out before? That what I was wondering if that strategy earns the comps like this one and how it rates in bankroll savings

@@Par420golf I have not rolled it out. It looked it up though and looks like it plays $150 on the table. So it should avg around 150 points played per hour.

Lay bet the vig is based on win amount. Buy bet the vig is based on bet amount. So Lay bet of $200 wins $100 which is $5 vig at 5%

@@ColorUp thnk you for the clarity

Hmm ok. You’d think they would at least re-rate you once you move from green to black chip.

@ColorUp They can be pretty bad sometimes. I had to speak very loudly once when my 6 had gotten up to $450 and other numbers were around $150 each before the suit changed my average bet.

Makes no since to leave that lay up after 3 hits inside. You’ve already made close to your original $110 investment.

Just take the push and build from there

@@ussflagg2difference is that he’s rated 3 times higher than you. That’s the point of the strategy.

I’m trying to keep $300 on the table though, to maximize points. Different goal.

@@ColorUp at the cost of losing money is silly

Yes. Good catch, my mistake

@@ColorUp thanks for the great content! Keep it up! Are you still doing the poker thing too?

I watched a lot of people come and go from the craps table last week on Harmony of the Seas. One player told me his friend lost $5k the first night. Many threw their money away...I also loved the A$$Hats walking up trying to buy in mid hand on a hot roll.

There is no secret. It’s still gambling and casino has edge. Plus these “free” cruises are like loss leaders I believe. They can give away and most people spend so much on their “extras” they do just fine. I do worry about crowded tables, but maybe they will just add more. Ha. I announced my cruise date to thousands of craps players and I had no issue getting on table. So 🤷‍♂️. The cruise casino dept should sponsor me though, I agree

I just got off Harmony of the Seas; just ask your box dealer they can look up your bet average. On Harmony they had an ipad type device on a swivel arm the pit boss used to enter bets they could spin around and update. I started asking every dealer shift change to ensure it was accurate. They know everyone is playing for free cruise comps so don't be afraid to ask. I found asking at shift change was the best time the dealer / pit boss would know my name; table position and bet. I'd also tell them my bet strategy and it made playing smooth.

@@tireiron7500 roger that, im a biloxi gambler, and really trying to figure out this ADT/COMP/HOST deal.

“Hey Daniel, what do you have me rated at?” Simple as that. I’d wait for a slow moment at table. Maybe not ask when things are super busy.

@@ColorUp awesome! best answer i got on this guys. it may seem simple to any of you guys, but first timers like me is rough.

Thx, verbal mistake.

Win you would lose vig. Pull down before a result, vig would be returned

You could, so maybe $10 easy 4 and $5 hard. Is $15 dollars worth it? Over time no, but until it’s hedged with a buy bet. Maybe.

You can. If it hit many times, it would be knocked of many times? No right answer, it’s just a guess…er gamble 😄

True but turning off point earned which is what this strategy is about. You could probably get away with it for a few rolls though.

I went on Royal Carribean. Won a free cruise and have since been emailed offers for 2 more