RE: The American attitude on left-foot braking / two-pedal driving. As taught in the US, you only use your right foot for gas/brake, no matter if it's a manual or an automatic. There are people who use the two-pedal method, but their braking is inconsistent while street driving and generally confuse other drivers. Plus, you see headlines of elderly people smashing through storefronts, because they panicked and smashed their right foot down on the gas pedal thinking it was the brake. For track driving, left-foot braking is great! It helps weight transfer, helps balance out understeer, etc etc. But on the street, we are taught not to under any circumstance, and if you do two-pedal driving, you are "incorrect". When I drive on the street, I always use one foot for the gas and brake, using heel-toe in my manual cars on occasion for downshifts. I only left-foot brake on the track. Hope that helps!
I mean on the public roads here, we are also just using the right foot for brake and gas, but I actually thought that everyone understands that public roads aren't comparable to a race track. Every racing driver brakes with the left foot as far as I know 😅
Gt350r is something I think you would really like driving, mainly for the sound and gear box. Loving the diversity in videos recently keep up the great work
Absolutely love the review on the Mustang 5.0.. I've been wanting to see one on the channel and boom here it is 😆. This car has 3.55 gear ratio and stock tune. Ford really limits the car from the factory. A tune completely wakes the car up and with e85 its a monster. I have a 2019 Mustang 5.0 with the 401a and pp1 performance package premium with magneride... it's a beast... 🇺🇸
@@funkytransport Lighter than a lot of European cars these days. Try to find a high horsepower European V8 sports car as good as this under 50 grand...
I work in the factory that produces the 10speed transmission for Ford. They are absolute tanks. Can easily handle upwards of 700hp stock. However, some of them shift very strangely.
@@filipjnc It is software I believe. I'm pretty sure you can get a tune that will make it shift faster. But you may have reliability issues. I'd put a better clutch in it if your going to do that.
@@filipjnc probbably a software thing to keep the engine/transmission healthy. Maybe it's not a problem to have short burst up to 7300-7400rpm in short gears, but when you get to higher gears engine spends more time rotating that fast and maybe builds excess heat...So they just limited/programed transsmision to shift at lower rpm... They could've programmed that cluster to show lower rev limit in high gears, just so the driver knows what's up... But it's still fast, even tho the rev limit is 500-600rpm lower, the car certainly has a lot of midragne power and torque to keep up.
...the lack of inspection process on channels like these (Smoking Tire) is terrifying and I can't help but get a dreadful sense of impending statistical doom from it...
Made me realize that's what the event runners at the track day I went to were talking about when they asked for the cabin and trunk to have everything removed from it.
Anytime I go to a track, even a small "casual" track, they are very strict on not having anything loose in the car. Nurburgring? They don't say a word, you can have all sorts of loose junk in the car.... at least from what I've seen on videos. Lots of people have crap in the back seat sliding around as well.
2 feet driving an automatic *ON THE STREET* is frowned upon because some people rest their feet on the brake pedal, which can cause a lot of problems for other drivers when they appear to be braking but are not, and as others have noted... right foot braking avoids potential confusion in a panic situation. On the track it makes sense.
ECU Tuning on a Mustang GT is geared towards more road than it is track. Even though it HAS a "track mode" it really isn't mapped to tracking. the GT500 IS mapped to track as that is their track focused car. also your package is roughly 43k here in the US.
The 10-speed automatic is an amazing gearbox for straight-line, but it's one that needs to be left to its own devices and not paddle-shifted if you want fast shifts. Once you try paddle-shifting it, it has a delay. Shame to see it struggle on the track
From the factory the 10R80 is not tuned for fun. It’s tuned for economy. It has skip shift and everything to jump between gears more efficiently. I will say the transmission doesn’t take tuning like ZF 8 speed does. The ZF 8 speed is the pinnacle of automatics currently available.
For some weird reason number of "speeds" is important to americans. Just like number of bathrooms is super important when selling a house. Often americans have more bathrooms than bedrooms. Its a weird cultural thing. There is zero reason in having 10 gears in a car.
@@captain_context9991 And let's not forget, they insist on calling a toilet a bathroom! 😉😋 If I want to a take a bath or a shower, I'll go to the bathroom, if I want to take a piss or a shit, I'll go to the toilet! If I can't take a bath or a shower in said room, it is not a bathroom!😉😋
@@captain_context9991 ...and here comes the guy who always has something negative to say about the United States. Have you not met your quota for the day yet?
Ironic, considering he has no idea to let the transmission do it's thing by itself in track mode, and is trying to paddle shift a non-dct auto like an ape.
It's crazy how much performance you can access from these cars. Actually shows the car's potential. Then people critique your driving style. Blows my mind.
Wonderful to see some more American Muscle on the channel :) As for your call to try something a little higher in the model range, hopefully you can try out Shmee150's GT500 once it makes it was to the UK, and by extension, it's inevitable trip to the Nurburgring.
Owner here. I emptied the car all around before the lap, that bottle was hiding under the seat for a longer while and I haven't realized it. We make mistakes and we learn...
The gap under the brake pedal even when fully pressed is still large enough to fit a bottle under it. Brake pedal doesn't go all the way to the floor, at least when it's working properly.
Since I got my first automatic gear car about 25 years ago I started breaking with the left foot. First just because I thought my left foot needed something to do and shouldn't be lazy, leaving all the work to the other. Then I noticed several advantages as Misha perfectly described. Mainly the faster response to unexpected situations. A tenth of a second CAN make a difference. Of course it took some training to getting used to it and receive the same feel for breaking power as in the right foot but from then it was smooth sailing. Wouldn't recommend switching between 1 and 2 foot driving though because in critical situations your brain could get confused and might give the wrong signal to your feet. I also understand this might not be for everyone. The first "tests" shouldn't be done on a public road during rush-hour.
I may have misunderstood the owner, but he mentioned the car was a performance pack 2 car which was only available in the US as a manual trans and came standard with magneride. So unless the Euro specs are different, in my opinion he has a performance package 1 car with the 10R80 auto trans. The auto's are prone to overheating on track, then doing all kinds of wonky stuff.
I'm a Camaro guy, looking forward to that. But I really want to see how Shmee's GT500 Shelby does on the Ring...now THAT'S a Mustang!🤣🤣🤣as far as the feet cam, to me, as an American, they must be jealous of your ability to drive! Let's be honest, most Americans don't get well trained on how to drive. We give out drivers licenses like candy here! I wish we had a more difficult German/Euro means of training/testing drivers!
At the end you said “but that’s like… torque converter 10,” as if a 10 speed torque converter transmission doesn’t actually have 10 gears, lol. It does legitimately have 10 gears. It’s not like torque converter autos simulate gears like a CVT.
I might be a ”dynamic” rev limiter, in that the limit is different for different gears. Higher gears => lower rev limit because you will spend more time in the high revs. That is a common practise in motorsport anyway.
@@SzymonL8 Because then you would have to pay an employee to program that and then test and tune and fix bugs etc. If you really care that much, just get some bolt-ons and get a custom tune. But ultimately these cars aren't built to go on track. Christ, it's a freakin' 10-speed auto for crying out loud. We're lucky it did as well as it did. This car is meant for cheap 0-60mph times with decent handling and decent fuel economy. You know, magazine specs. And idk if you noticed, but most autos have paddle shifters now. It's great for _pretending_ you're going fast, but ultimately its purpose is to look cool and trendy and maybe to downshift when going down a mountain pass... And I say that as a Mustang guy. These cars are a lot better on the track than they used to be and credit is due, but you aren't gonna get a DCT for as cheap as this thing is, and you aren't gonna get the best tune unless you pay for it or learn to do it yourself.
As an American when I saw you driving with two feet I just assumed it’s some technique associated with track driving or it’s just how people are taught to drive on track. Not sure why people freak out about two foot driving in an automatic on a track, it’s undoubtably faster than using one foot and when you’re on track the goal is usually speed lol…
In the US we are taught to drive an automatic with one foot because inexperienced drivers can get confused in an emergency. I drive a 2020 Mustang gt pp1 a10. The manual transmission feels better in the turns on these cars for sure.
I would love to see you drive a mach 1 or gt500 around the track next. The base gt is okay but those higher tier trims are so much better for track use. The mach 1 is especially interesting since it's a parts bin special but is a very good track car beating out the gt350s lap times. However that car does need the manual since it has the amazing tremec instead of the getrag manual and the auto is the same.
@@alloush5995 well, it's the second "generation", with vodoo v.2 and bunch of other tweaks, quite a lot of them. 2019-2020 gt350's are "facelift" (though style wise pretty much nothing changed).
@@maximborodyuk3773 for the s550 mustang sixth gen, the face lift was only for all models like gt and ecoboost, but not the gt350 and gt350r. The 350’s didn’t receive any facelift or updates. Check online, you are mistaken. The 350’s are a completely different model and not updates from the gt. They stopped selling the 350’s 2020 due to the gt500. There is no vodoo v2, there is only one vodoo variant for the 350’s the other engines are the 5.0 coyote and 5.2 predator for the gt500 which is a cross plant crank engine where as the gt350 is a flat plane crank and thus revs higher .
Strange thing. 3rd gear is till 130km/h but still at 100 kmh does not want to change to 3rd. Maybe some software upgrade or tuning will resolve the problem. Thanks for the content and thanks Filip for experience what a modern 5.0 can do on track.
I drive my mustang with two feet sometimes, just have to make sure you aren’t resting your foot on the brake and can kind of make your leg tired but it’s a must on the track for sure
In US, Diver''s Education really emphasizes that you should be using one foot with automatics, so I'm guessing that's why all the comments from US people about it. For most drivers, I'd agree. For professionals, no problems.
Chile, you nailed it. For a drivers license, it's what they teach. If you're Intermediate to Advanced driver for the track, you should know the benefits of left foot braking, and 100%, you won't be critical or laugh at somebody for using it on track. The comments just highlight their education and track driving experience. "Noobs"
Also some autos won't let you press both gas and brake at the same time, they cut engine power and flash a warning sign on the dash. But yes left foot braking driftking style for track driving is a must!
I know owner said it’s a PP2 Mustang. I know in the U.S. the PP2 came with Mag ride standard and PP1 cars Mag ride was optional. Could be different for Euro spec. But also the PP2 wheels were lighter and came with Michilen 4’s and Agressive wheel/tire set up. 19x10’s all around. Not sure why he would swap out to the Bridgestones. Lastly the PP2 U.S. came with a more aggressive front lower valance and functional rear spoiler. Once again not sure if he deleted some of those standard options on this car. But I really think this is a PP1 car and not a PP2.
You are fast misha. No defense needed for using EVERY foot available. You are smoothe overall and remind me of the style of Sabine. I bet you are also legendary in a ford transit. Anyway, I'll be slowly working on a fox body 91-93 gt mustang. I'll run an aluminum 427 cube Windsor motor with 750 horse at the crank. T56 manual or maybe something sequential(I'm undecided as I'm a diehard H-pattern guy but sequential is quicker and more reliably so. Anyway, I'll look you up when it's ready
I like that gearbox (I have it too), but it is not for track use for sure. But Ford has a solution for that, buy the GT500 with dual-clutch. That’s their car meant to be on track a lot.
I have a 2013 Mustang Shelby GT500 that will do corners thanks to Cortex Racing, I’ve done what Top Gear said would never happen, my thoughts challenge accepted!
The gearbox works well when tuned, until it gets hot. It gets really laggy, but on the ring I doubt you’d feel that. It’s like a ZF trans It’s very easy to make the GT a weapon on track, but stock is eh..
He should put it in track mode in the sport mode setting to let the Trans do the work , ready pobst did that to get the most out of the Trans around a track
I feel like the gearbox (and the whole chassis in general) is tuned for the Ecoboost version. Because I drove an Ecoboost last year, seeing as I had it as a rental for two weeks I spent in California, and it felt fine. Like gearbox here was kinda hesitant to do what you wanted it to, like downshift earlier than it would allow, but I feel like that's because it is tuned to the Ecoboost with the wider torque curve and you just wouldn't want to downshift as early anyway, because you'd waste more on downshifting and upshifting. Similarly I felt like the handling was balanced for the power levels it had stock. Now mind you, it came on all seasons, so with better tires I would expect it to be balanced for slightly more power, and then this car being lowered also probably does help, but I feel like the car from the factory is designed for around 300-350hp, 70-80 kg less weight in the front and a flater torque curve rather than a heavier, 450hp, NA V8. Shelbys have a lot of mods that make them better designed for the power they put down, like IIRC they have different rear control arms at least and the front suspension has different uprights and some other mods as well (I am sure, although haven't researched it), but Ecoboost and the 5.0 are the same car with a different engine, so the whole package is more tuned for the Ecoboost if I had to make an educated guess.
Hey Misha, at 13:30 I think what you’re describing is pad fade, vs boiled fluid (which would cause the pedal to sink). Also, I wonder if a tune could solve the rev limit in 6th?
People that drive with both feet will rest their foot on the brake pedal while driving. This leads to the brake lights always being on and you can't tell when they are actually braking
Nice objective review. Great to see any car being wrung out on the Nurburgring by a good driver. I think the whole stereotype that American cars can't turn is about 20 years out of date. Also, I rented a VW Passat a few months ago for a 300 mile trip and thought it was the worst handling car i've driven since the 90s.
100% correct. 20yrs out of date. About the time of when the Corvette ZR1/Z06 & Viper ACR set impressive, respected lap times at Nurburgring. It was also around that time that GM setup a test track in Michigan to replicate the variety of conditions of Nurburgring too. ..... Just checked... 2004, GM completed the $7M USD test track in Milford.
I live in the U.S. and was taught to drive in the 1960's and to drive automatics with both feet. Although, I've owned 50+ cars and only 5 of them where automatics.
And here I thought, in sim racing, me driving automatics with left foot braking as a default was a bad habit that I needed to fix! It just feels so much faster and easier
Hehe. OK I will explain. Most people in North America are terrible drivers my good man. And we are taught to use only 1 pedal at a time in drivers education. Most likely so that any form of aggressive driving is not being used.
Doesn't really take that much skill if you're used to it. I'm no racing driver by any means but I learned left foot braking since I was 13 and I did it by instinct, back then my dad used to have a spare car, it was an Automatic Camry and whenever He and my Mom is out for work I used to hop on that car and start it then give it some few revs, then eventually I finally got the courage to disengage the hand brake and put the gear to drive and instinctively my left foot is always on the brakes because I'm too scared that the car might lurch forward and hit our wall. I did that over and over for atleast a year, I was just doing backwards and forwards in our garage then eventually My Dad thought me how to drive and it was in that same car he told me to use my right foot only for the pedals so I did just that but I instinctively, I always used my left foot whenever I press the brakes and here in my country, back then you don't really need to go to driving school inorder to apply for a driving license you just need to pass the written exam and the driving test from from our transportation office so I didn't really have any problems with it, I'm now 26 and I still use both of my feet for driving.
The Gearbox is kinda weird. I drove a Mustang with that 10 Speed Automatic and after like 10km it was clear - if I really consider buying a Mustang, its gonna be a manual :D
Just know that the MT-82 transmission is FRAGILE and needs to be baby'd if you want to keep it for a while. Ive had one for two years, great engine, mediocre gearboxes
The Camaro ZL1 1-LE, Camaro SS 1-LE, Mustang GT 350R, Mustang MACH 1, Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing and CT5-V Blackwing are world class track cars. Lap Times at VIR: ZL1 1-LE: 2:45.0 (Lamborghini Huracan EVO 2:45.0) CT5-V: 2:49.4 (Ferrari 458 Italia 2:49.9, M5 CS 2:50.3) MACH 1: 2:51.4 (AMG GT S 2:51.0) CT4-V: 2:55.6 (Giulia Quadrifoglio 2:57.2)
If only we knew a certain RU-vidr who is regularly on the Nurburgring and has a bright green GT500 on its way to Europe… hope we see it on the channel in the future!
You have to drive a manual. A pre facelift, with shorter gear ratios. For going fast in a straight line, like drag racing, the 10 speed auto is insane. But many people have issues with the facelift overheating. What also helps is a different suspension and installing some stiffer bushings etc since stock isn't quite as sophisticated as european cars. Also a GT350 would be fun to see. 5.2 Liter engine with 8250rpms.
In the driver's test way back in the day they told people not to do it I think it was for newer drivers. I'm sure it's just so they wouldn't wear out their dad's car's brakes
I think the issue many have with driving with 2 feet is that they don't know how to do it (I think it's hard to apply the correct brake pressure with the left foot when you try for the first times).
A lot of people were taught that braking with the left foot is a bad daily driving habit. The most common reason that I had always heard , was because it may be harmful to the transmission as well as the possible confusion. Especially for a novice driver. So, you driving with two feet under your typical conditions, I’d say by now you would have definitely noticed any excessive damage to your transmission or errors from pedaling with the wrong foot. Plus, the theory has been around since way before so of these modern vehicle’s, maybe the theory is outdated
I think its awesome that modern ATs and DCTs have the same shift logic and torque phases built in it. They arent as fast as DCT in shift speed but theyre damn close.
Ref using both feet with an auto, certainly in the UK it was/is frowned on offically. I suspect if you did it during a driving test it would be a fail. However going back probably 40 years for me I've always driven autos that way. As an impressionable teenager I remember reading a magazine article explaining the benefits. As you say it's smoother and just makes more sense. I've never had a problem swapping between manual and auto cars.
Cool Video! That proves also that a good driver makes a difference. Normally Mustangs crash more into Crowds of people. This time it was smashing the Ring :-D
I have a 2021 Mustang GT with the 10 speed. You can adjust all of the shift points and rev limiters with HP tuners. From the factory for some reason they have every year above 5th shifting at 6750 rpm’s. I have set my engine rpm limit to 8k and all my shift points around 7600 and it is sooo much better.
US Audience: I agree, proper sports cars should be manual. For everyone that says auto's are faster, that might be the case here at Nurburgring, but when people go here nobody is timing you, and most people never even run on a track, at least outside of Germany. And a manual if driven well is very close to the best auto's anyway. But if you do have an auto, yes 2-footing is proper technique.
Casual driver with 2 feet driving will brake too hard, because he/she does not have a feeling for left foot braking. I have done it accidentally when switching from manual to automatic and the feeling is terrifying XD
the pinned comment said everything i would say on the aspect of 2 foot driving, that being said on the topic of manual cars. In America we don't have very many good tracks (my personal opinion) and all the tracks that aren't half bad are extremely far apart from each other. This means track driving isn't very common in America unfortunately, so because of this it's mostly drag racing and street driving, both of which a manual makes better because driving in a straight line is boring and doesn't take any skill (especially if its roll racing an auto😉) so generally autos are seen as lazy or like you don't enjoy driving. I personally have no issue with autos, if the purpose is cause you daily it or you track it. But there's also just some cars you should get in manual, that's how i see the mustang, like you would never buy a lotus in an auto because that's not what the cars purpose is, a lotus is meant to be the pinnacle of connection and removing a part of that connection seems wrong, or like an evo/sti why would you ever get one of those in auto etc. also americans are just over emotional people who feel personally attacked if you don't do what they like 🤣
Nothing wrong with two feet...I tend to be hard on break because I'm use to clutch...but if you can overcome this issue you will have more control and quicker response from the car.
i own a 2013 v6 and a 2016gtcs mustangs and i've driven a gt350 a couple times and i will tell you it's a worlds difference, the gt350 handles alot like a m2 but justa little faster and a better sound!! make you drive a 2018-2020 gt350 though because they all come from the factory with the handling pack. a 2015-2017 gt350 will feel kinda like a pp2 gt which is what you drove unless its a gt350R those all handle the same
