Finally Losing In The Homeworld 3 Campaign & Discussion [AD] 

What Homeworld you will recommend to someone who never play it ?

Haha it wasn't quite as clear as I was intending but I think I got the poi t across.

@@GamerZakh Heh, I think it worked perfectly ^^

Thanks for the tip!

Yeah when I started this stream, I was thinking I'd just finish the campaign in 3-4 hours because it was so easy. Then mission 7 wrecked me and mission 9 is even tougher (for me). I did like you, F4 attack all lol. It stopped working mission 7 onwards. I also think there's too many interruptions, especially earlier on. Again, mission 7 doesn't really have them anymore. I don't know why, but the gameplay gets much better at the Naraka gate. Fewer interruptions and tactics required.

Game will kick my ass? that's good to know.

Haha you wouldn't believe the stuff thrown at me because I ask for clarification. Yesterday someone said I was a communist because I asked them to define a racially charged term they used and they didn't want to define it.

@@GamerZakh lol!

It's less about convincing me and more about my lack of time and how many games there are to play. I also can't really just do what I want until I make some financial ends meet, so I'm still trying to sort that out.

I appreciate you being specific. It's useful when people break things down so people can properly understand your perspective.

@@GamerZakh I'm pretty bummed about it all, honestly. I think it was always going to fall short of my stellar expectations, but this really feels like a slap in the face. The Homeworld universe makes such an incredible stage upon which a story can be told. It just seems like they didn't even try.

Wasn't deserts of kharak short too ?

Yeah Homeworld campaigns are always short it seems, the pro RTS players finish the first game's campaign in 6-7 hours. If you skip cutscenes I've seen some do HW1's campaign in 4-5. I appreciate you being specific, this is the kind of approach that's more useful for people to understand your perspective and perspectives on what the game actually is.

@@GamerZakh Thank you for the reply. I actually started the game with the highest of hopes but I gradually got more and more distraught with it. However, I will say no more until you've completed it.

Thanks for being specific. So much of the conversation is just 'crap' or 'good' or 'bad', etc. When a game gets mixed reviews, those general statements just add to confusion.

@@GamerZakh i did read a lot of reviews honestly and i reached the conclusion they are just hating it because it shatter an old image. i have yet to find a more logical reason . those who say its pvp driven probably never played skirmich after the finished the campaign or complex mod who is only pvp or any mod that delete the campaign. those who hate on the MC are still not justified for why they give a dislike. those who say it plays bad idk what they are smocking the game plays almost like hw1 . a few category mention bugs but i have yet to face one. my ONLY struggle in the game was with fighters and smaller crafts if i put in neutral they dont defend themselves and fire while being static so we have to keep them on agressive all the time . i gave it thumbs up. also notice most peoples who dislike it dont elaborate while we who gave it a thumbs up are ready to write walls of texts . this is another proof they are just hating it for not feeling like the old games after them

@@LauftFafa What would you like me to elaborate on? How the AI is broken, loses orders, and in the case of capital ships they make up random orders so they go off and attack things on their own? Sticking with AI, want me to elaborate on the strike craft combat, and how they care more about maintaining their formation than combat maneuvering? What about how strike craft, ALL of them in a formation, will all shoot the same target instead of distributing fire like the 20 year old predecessors did? Would you like me to keep going about this? What about the missing mechanics? Ballistics were promised, but you can play the first mission with the training drones and see that they clearly not. They completely misunderstood what ballistic shots meant for HW1, and only missiles have it. What about how "Intelligently using cover" touted in the fig campaign, and how that just doesn't exist. How about the missing tactics? Of course this kind of harks back to the intelligent ship AI from the old games, that is missing from the new one. Tactics actually changed how ships acted in combat, and now they just decide whether ships engage enemies or not. Its pathetic. How about the capital ship combat? Why do capital ships literally just stand still? I don't expect them to zip everywhere, but the game was supposed to have ballistics, so shouldn't they be trying to dodge a little bit? The old games had this. Should I go on about the absolutely tiny ship roster, the stupidly rigid rock-paper-scissors balance, the overall mechanics missing that 20 year old games did better. Let me know what you'd like me to elaborate on. I've backed the game since 2019, and I'll tell you exactly what, how, and why its a bad game. Even if we remove all the Fig fake crowdfunding garbage, its a pathetic feature set for an RTS in 2024 when indies are putting out Stellar Warfare and Nebulous. >also notice most peoples who dislike it dont elaborate while we who gave it a thumbs up are ready to write walls of texts What? Did you intentionally ignore the reviews you dislike? Meanwhile, GBX is literally paying for bot reviews. Its trivially easy to go find them. Check these totally real people totally not elaborating on anything: jmp.sh/x20l0CIN | jmp.sh/ZYW4HPMr | jmp.sh/9lCorJgP The most helpful reviews are all negative for a reason. The player count is down to 1/9th of its playerbase less than a week after launch for a reason. The game is bad. $25 indies have more meat than what you get with this mess.

Thank you for being specific. So to be clear, you would prefer a higher number of missions rather than longer playtime overall? Like you'd prefer it having 5 more mission but it taking less time to finish? Because that's what HW1 was, so I'd like to clarify that point.

Do you mean the campaign is good? You just don't like the asteroid mission, how about the others?

EDIT: Pumpkin Pie 8235 came back 11 days after this reply and spewed hate and lies about my lack of coverage of anything negative about HW3. In my videos, I covered numerous and specific issues I had with the game. Pumpkin even went so far to say, "when you cant spot design issues like... faulty UI elements" along with, "How comes you only point out positive stuff", when in this very video I spend a long time at 5:05 pointing out a major UI bug. Pumpkin, who has been a long time viewer, obviously has not watched my HW3 videos and are blindly throwing their hate for HW3 at me, ironically hurting the content creators who point out the bad things which is what they're asking for. Original Comment: Someone just a couple days ago was complaining to me that the campaign was too short because it took them 13 hours. I'm on track for 9-10 hours and I've played RTS before. It's because I died a few times on mission 7 and 9.

It doesnt strike me as you've played RTS before when it takes you 12 hours to beat this and you cant see any problems with the singleplayer campaign either, when you dont have proper knowledge of previous HW games, when you cant spot design issues like liniar tech research instead of tech tree research, ships not being responsive, faulty UI elements, lack of subsystems targeting, faulty terrain cover system, unit behaviour, total lack of skirmish or MP coverage and the many shortcomings there (which is the main thing for an RTS btw) etc. Now you hide behind the fact that "this is not a review", the viewers can see how the game really is, you dont need to point out anything. Oh, so it's just meaningless lets plays now? How comes you only point out positive stuff and are so defensive of the game then? No, you have become an yes man afraid to say anything bad. For me you have lost any credibility and integrity. "Be specific with what you dont like" give me a break, people have been very specific and it is very obvious what is wrong, only if you are unfamiliar with RTS can you pretend not to understand. If you want to see how it's done watch MandaloreGaming review of HW3. It is in part because of people like you we now only get lazy half arsed money grabs as games. Unsubscribed.

@@pumpkinpie8235 I'm not sure if you're talking to/about me? I literally start the gameplay in this video by very much focusing on a UI bug. In my previous videos I complained about the lacking options, performance issues, limited skirmish maps, and broken replays. I specifically stop and highlight each problem I had with HW3. Did you watch my videos or are you just guessing what I talked about? If you're going to come for me, be accurate. Otherwise you're calling me a 'yes man' when you're actually just being blindly negative about me.

@@pumpkinpie8235 Look, you've watched me for years. Your hate for HW3 is leaking to other things and people who don't deserve it, but if you want to carry yourself like that go ahead. Unsubscribe? Okay? You're trying to punish someone who did what you're asking for. I was sponsored and STILL covered so much of the bad stuff. So now, why bother covering the bad stuff? People who viscerally hate the game (like you) will hate me anyway, right? Please. I asked for accuracy in this video and all you can do is lie and misrepresent. If that's how you really are, you aren't welcome here anyway. Also, "people have been very specific". You know who I'm talking about there? Racists, sexists, and literal Nazis (not joking their RU-vid banner was a white supremacist Nazi slogan) who were just calling this game "Woke" and "Filled with DEI" and complaining about the 'Female Protagonist' user tag on Steam. Are you saying those things are 'specific'? Give ME a break. Just because someone doesn't hate something as much as you doesn't mean they're a 'yes man'. Day9 loved the game without being sponsored, what is he saying 'yes' to? Opinions exist, claiming differing opinions as objectively and impossibly untrue leads you to being a very extreme person. If you want to come for anyone about taking 12+ hours on the campaign, here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Xt4MLxFaPe8.html&lc=UgxKLqGQ4YE4toDSBkR4AaABAg - I quote, "No they Flopped, killed the IP , just played it, biought it 80€ pack, and 13 hour later, completed the campaign, and this game is huge on it story campaign back in the day" commented by @clubjrgaming2610. Not my words, they took 13 hours to beat the campaign and they say they spent a lot of time playing the originals back in the day. "How comes you only point out positive"... 5:05 there. Immediately disproven.

@GamerZakh Im not talking about tiny bugs which can be easily patched, Im talking about serious faults which damaged the game beyond repair. The only one I've seen you mention is the replay system not working, and the UI only after you've been told it was too intrusive. I'm talking about rolling down sleeves and actually talking what's wrong with the game, being critical and pushing to save the RTS genre. Homeworld means a lot to me, I have waited for HW3 for a very long time. I even wrote to them in 2017 asking for a sequel. I would have done anything in my power if I had the chance to help sort out the issues and have a solid game which wouldnt flop on release. Do you think I like to hate on HW3? It pains me to criticise it, I am sad to see it tirn out like this, but I have no choice I have to call out faulty game design in the hopes others will maybe jist maybe learn. You had the opportunity to play it way before even the demo in february if I remember correctly. You mentioned nothing about its flaws. Granted it was just a wargames showcase back then, but I would have pointed them right away the big massive UI for example and the unresponsiveness of ships and lack of other systems already visible in that. If it werent for people who cared like us, they wouldnt have even delayed it until May and we would have gotten a broken big bloaty UI which made it unplayable. So much could have been saved before release. For decades we still only have AoE2 and SC2 to play as RTS, all the others are dead, the RTS is in a coma, because you cant find any games in multiplayer because nobody plays them because they messed up things like HW3 did. Now all hopes move towards Tempest Rising and they have been made aware by the mistakes of HW3 on their forums. Please better stay away from it if you are only just going to superficially cover it. Homeworld was one of the greats, it was the RTS of a generation, up there with AoE, SC and C&C. This is not just a generic game which comes and goes, everybody says a few words on it or creators make a quick buck on it and move to the next thing, it is a legendary franchise and it means a lot to many people. It had big shoes to fill.

Being more specific would help others understand why that's the case. Otherwise, no one knows what you mean.

not really , its even more fleshed out than any hw game but i bet nostalgia is blinding you all. you say story is bad yet tell me if there was any story in the old beside the briefing about objectives and moaning about how they are alone , i will wait . only desert of kharak and this one have a true story the rest have nothing beside those 50 seconds pre mission reports or dialogue from makaan or karan who werent even that good like how makaan brag about chosens and sons of the rim and whatever. classic children's cartoons kind of dialogue what . but this is the catch , you WERE kids back in the day playing those games and now you are blinded you think that whatever bland story hw1 and 2 had are far better than an actual story that introduce us to so many things and explain how some things finally work like the navigators

Quite simply ....from the stupidest question “do you believe all this” the answer would have been “why did you have a wire stuck in your head” ....to...no secret is made among themselves of what strategy you are pursuing or what goal you are aiming for ... you're not your own enemy in WAR-ROOM that can be the end of the whole crusade by the way... and in the end the plot takes a direction that is simply absurd.... Millions of dead...so that they all dance Hare Krishna at the end? (not an Nativ english speaker)