Exactly and has proof of real world mpg with over 30 mpg and people reporting almost 40 mpg actually so yeah much better option and @ a way better price
@@dbepic6996 The 3.0 inline 6 diesel isn't available in the Colorado/Canyon twins. Only the half ton segment. But I think they're going to add it to GM SUV's soon.
Yeah and quite frankly, the Colorado diesel is the only good one they make being their 8 speed auto is totally gimped with problems. Its the only truck that is pretty much what they sell overseas and IMO, overseas diesel trucks destroy the American offerings. Plus that one has a bullet proof 6 speed. Nothing wrong with that 2.8 duramax which is actually imported to the US from Asia. Probably why its harder to find them.
GM's TD (originally developed before the EcoDiesel at the same VM Motori building, but was modified later by GM) is an I4, while the EcoDiesel has a slightly larger displacent (3.0L vs. 2.8L) V6, which does account for MO' POWAH.
@@syxepop much rather have a 2.8L Duramax over a FCA Diesel engine. Also significantly cheaper car with just as much offroad capabilities. Front and rear lockers, rock rails, skid plates steel bumper winch mounts. Bison with Diesel is like 50k
@@jason7231 - you have to understand there are certain vehicles, like Teslas, Jeeps and all full-sized US 3 pickups that has a RABID FANBOI BASE that makes IMPOSSIBLE a TRULLY OBJECTIVE review on any of those (at least to the people who owns one of those vehicles mentioned).
higher towing capacity too in the diesel models. This Jeep Gladiator diesel model sounds cool until you see the stats then it falls flat. Just about every other midsize truck sounds more appealing in other areas.
It may be a diesel but it doesn’t have the same torque power than the gladiator does and the diesel so I do beg to differ and if you want to be in the same comparisons of the canyon or a Colorado just get a sports it’ll do the same thing for a lot less money than the Chevy Colorado or the GMC Canyon I was a true believer of General Motors but the power that they put On them is nothing like the jeep gladiator and average 25 MPG
This 2G 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel came from VM Motori in Italy, originally a JV between Fiat and GM. Just when GM sold their part to Fiat they took with them the blueprints for the TD-2.8L I4 they've both developed. GM modified it to put it into the 2G Colorado / Canyon, while FCA made their own version for overseas JK Wranglers and enlarged it to 3.0L (used in today's Ram Pro Master large vans).
Best selling truck in the land has similar payload. My 4 door Tacoma was 950 lbs. and that wasn’t even the pro. Don’t think many people buying those care.
We just bought one. Z71 crew cab diesel. Might get here this week. I used the review Andre and mr truck did a while back as a guide. So I know they know about it!
You put four people in it and you're pretty much fully loaded. That's ridiculous! As for adequate cooling etc... seems odd. A 1980s Land Rover was available with 1500KG payload and 3500KG towing at the same time (4000kg towing with a bit of jumping through hoops) and engines back then were at best asthmatic, the brakes were a bit interesting too. Full time 4x4 though. We seem to be heading backwards! OK they didn't have heated seats back then and they do smoke a bit, overall fuel economy hasn't really changed - my Defender is getting 30MPG (UK gallons, so that's 25 freedom MPG).
Andre: “Nobody else in the US, as far as midsizers are concerned, are offering a diesel.” Me * two minutes on the Chevy online configurer: 2021 Colorado ZR2 with the 2.8 Duramax, $49,190 including the tent for over landing.
Go with the ZR2.... anyone who questions Jeep reliability is blind that GM has been suffering terrible initial quality for years now. Lots of used Colorados out there for damn near nothing.
Yeah and unlike the diesel, the 392 will only be available on the highest of trims. It will be purchased mostly by collectors and promptly put to storage.
The Chrysler/ Fiat 3.0 actually pretty reliable, we have 4 in our fleet with over 120k with no major issues. But 6 out of 6 of our 5.7 hemi has broken exhaust bolts with awful leak most happened before 100k . Dealer quotes 1500-2000 to repair.... Funny since its been in production for 15 years, figured exhaust bolts would be simple.
@@harlandurant7014 can't vouch for the Diesel BUT there's not a single high mileage HEMI that rolls into the shop that doesn't TIC. You would think they could have figured out that one too by now, right ? 🤔
Dodge did same thing with the dakota with no luxury to it and no package options such as off road , my 2005 dakota Laramie is bland as hell is a 4x4 with no skid plates at all. Dodge has lost there mind
@@paulmichaels3655 says FCA. It’s under 900 lbs. you can’t even tow 4000 lbs safely with two adults and some gear. If you have 4 200 lbs adults in the car it’s basically maxed out with a bag of groceries.
@@KTMcaptain bro Itll pull a fully loaded tractor trailer uphill on a snowy incline!. It has a LOT of torque. They always put it as less than it can do. Jeep diesels have GREAT torque!
What car makers are doing is pricing their most wanted products for prices almost nobody can afford so it justifies the ridiculous prices they are asking for their entry level cars.
It’s gotten out of hand. A lot of it is because of all the tech in these things now. People expect to basically have an iPhone that they can drive. Then if you want to buy a base model without all the tech and want to modify it like adding new suspension, wheels, lockers, tune etc then they will try to void your warranty unless you pay the dealer an insane amount to do it all.
@@gerhardschulzy not only are they making more money on the cars themselves but they’re making more money on the financing. The longer the term the higher the interest rate is. A lot of car manufacturers have their own finance companies too. They’ve worked up the perfect scheme.
Newer diesels are not worth the cost. Girlfriend's 2021 JL Sport S is soft top, KO2s in 255/75R17 C and aluminum skid plate with the 2.0L non hybrid. She just drove from EC WI to KY yesterday and pulled a bit over 22 MPGs.
@@Ulfstigandr Just think for a moment.......whenever manufacturers come out with something big, they put in the most expensive vehicle possible and to make sure the vehicle is loaded, they don't offer it in a cheap model. GM did that with the diesel engine in their mid size pickups.
@@richarde.6750 your not wrong, the Rubi 392 is likely going to be 80k for at least the first few years. But his initial comment was about the gladiator in general i think, refering to dealer stock like that. For the most part what a dealer will have on hand will average to about $50k, the bulk of wrangler and im sure gladiator sales tend to be up-optioned sport s models.
I wish they would cut the crap, put the 5.7 Hemi in the gladiator and be done with it. With 900 pounds payload you get your family in it and you don’t have room for your over weight dog. I really do like the gladiator but those numbers are not worth the 6k. For 66k you could get a fully loaded Ram Rebel, or a Ram 2500 with a Cummins.
I agree, the 5.7 should be available across the wrangler range not as a hot rod like the 6.2 but as an everyday hauler. It doesn’t have to be that expensive.
Fuel range and torque. That said I'm disappointed with the payload and towing numbers too. Diesel fuel economy makes it ideal for overlanding. Payload rating makes it a poor choice for overlanding.
That is a whole lot of money for a vehicle that is less capable in almost every way. Also you forget about the Colorado/canyon? That still has a diesel
Gladiators are all expensive. Life style truck or whatever they call it. Even the base models are expensive. People don't by these for capability that's for sure. Its more of a statement or image builder. Doubt many will ever go off road..
This engine hasn’t been around long enough to determine it’s reliability. Keep in mind this is not the same motor that was in the Ram’s/Grand Cherokee’s etc. I can say, as an owner of a JTRD, that this motor is amazing so far. Yes, I’ve only put 500 miles on it to date, so i can’t speak to long term, but as of today I absolutely LOVE the torque. 8th gear uphill on about a 3% grade at 70 MPH no problem.
Great video as always guys. I hope Jeep reads the comment sections so they know what the average buyer has to say about their product. I say, that thing is way too expensive and won't sell like Jeep thinks it will.
@@cecilotto504 I agree. I do not like what fiat is doing to Chrysler and jeep.... I own 4 jeeps and 2 other mopar vehicles. I have been a lifetime enthusiast for mopar. I bought 1 newer fiat. And never again. But we cannot compare a midsize offroad built truck to the payload of a 3/4 ton. That being said nobody buying this truck really wants a truck it is a fashion statement. Unfortunately. Claiming it is an overland is outlandish. It should be able to fill the seats with people and haul/tow everything for a weekend adventure and not comprise its ability offroad. You do not buy a 4 door truck to put one person in it. The perfect overlander midsize truck jeep built was the comanche it had more payload than today's half ton trucks.
The 2500 series trucks are $75,000 or more!!! And is a full size truck and noisy!! The keep is so much Quieter doesn’t even sound like a dieselThat’s the most amazing part of this gladiator
People: we want a jeep truck with a diesel! FCA: ok here, 60k tho People: way too expensive I'm not buying it! Every damn time lol. Reminds me of how people say they want the stripped down version of trucks, but never buy them.
Great comment. The ones complaining are the reviewers and enthusiasts yet they are only 1% of the market. And rarely buy the car they cry to the manufactures to make.
It’s all relative, isn’t it? A stripped down work truck these days would have been pretty nice 10 years ago, even for the current prices they’re going for, but no one wants to buy them. People only want the nice trims, but then complain that they’re too expensive. People can’t live without their Apple CarPlay and heated seats. I’m not saying this is the consumer’s fault, a lot of these perceptions are set that way on purpose by these manufacturers. But that’s the reality we live in.
Not worth the investment unless ur a cross country travler and off-roader and going to take advantage of the fuel economy but even the. Ur maint cost will double so it’s a bullshit spec!! No sense at all.. now if they put the 392 in this gladiator now ur talking
Hmm...the poor sales figures of the previous Gladiator will be addressed by sticking in a diesel power-plant and jacking up the price. Did they address the "Re"-froster issue you guys discovered ?
@10:00 that metal bar is like 40mm from the top of his head...looks like it’d cave the top of your skull in when you go over a big bump!?!? Also: “it’s a pretty premium place to be”...as we’re looking at painted sheetmetal interior on the roof.
Funny thing is the gladiator actually has the same cabin space as a 2 door wrangler. There is no ammentities in the wrangler or gladiator either. Going to have to step that game up when the bronco comes out with power seats, heated and cooled, heated steering wheel, power mirrors etc. Ridiculous to pay 50k+ for a jeep and have the options of a 90s Subaru brat.
Wonder how many people that constantly complain about prices in these vids are actually in the market for a midsize truck? This thing is loaded. Get a gas sport one for 40k if 66k is too much??
And what’s the advantage to the diesel? A lot more money? More maintenance, diesel additive, more for fuel, only a little better towing, noisy. 🤔🤔🤔🤔 No thanks I’ll stick to a gas motor.
Andre keeps saying this is the only diesel available on a midsize truck. Diesel is also available on a Colorado and you can loaded Bison ZR2 for $15000 less than that Jeep, with more pay load and better seats
Do doors and top come off? Not to mention the jeep community And way worse resale value than the jeep so it cost u thousands more in the long run to own a Chevy.
@@chadhanson4369 resale on any jeep is horrible! Jeep is surviving purely off being the only overlanding manufacturer and the history of their name which is honestly actually a farce because "jeep" was a joint project from Willys, Ford, and Bantam. Jeep was actually an acronym that later became a brand name to make money off the lore of the vehicle through WWII.
Yeah but its because its on the Rubicon. Luckily its available on lower trims but it will still be pricey being the option itself is over 5K. I think half that cost is for all the emissions and the DEF etc that is required to clean it up. And it runs clean. Could not see any smoke when he revved it up. For me, all that elaborate emissions systems just adds to problems down the road. EPA pretty much killed diesels in the US.
@@V10PDTDI I owned a Ford Ranger in the Fiji Islands for about 3 years when I lived there. Had the 3.2 5 cylinder diesel. Amazing truck. No DEF or any of that BS.
Only people buying these are Jeep fan boys. Once they all have them, sales are going to tank. Nobody who's shopping for a mid-sized truck with no brand loyalty is going to spend $60k. They'll be buying GMs and Rangers. I'm calling it right now... 2023 will be the last model year for the Gladiator.
@@aaronbritt2025 sounds about right for a truck that is more off road capable and a convertible. Choice is a good thing. I don’t see any midsize challenging the Tacoma any time soon in terms of sales numbers any time soon.
392 Wrangler is going to be just as expensive. Definitely will only be in the highest of trims. They only doing that since Ford took it up a few notches with the bronco launch. 392 will probably cost 70K when the dust settles. If the 2.7 bronco is reliable, Jeep will have a great need to move to a next generation Jeep much sooner then they thought. The 392 decision didn't just happen. They have been sitting on it. Bronco was the reason they announced that now. You better believe it.
0:12, 5:27 Andre, how could you have forgotten about the GM twins with the 2.8 Duramax that have been around since the 2016 model year?! To make up for this you guys will have to do a head-to-head comparison of the Gladiator Rubicon EcoD and the Colorado ZR2 Duramax. :)
Cause those vehicles are horrible lol 😂 I mean Jeep is too but at least it’s a beast off road, and the Tacoma is actually reliable along with the Ranger albeit without a diesel option
Do you hear that in the distance? That emptiness is the sound of no one surprised - specifically regarding the mother-loving price. Oh, and thank you Jeep, for making a more capable mid-size truck and reducing its range by 75-100 miles, reducing its towing capability, and making sure that 4-5 people and a stop at Snarfs Sandwiches will max out it’s 899lb payload capacity. Good thinking (sarcasm), guys!!! But at least Andre helped us to understand that no one else in mid-size offers a Diesel engine. . . 2.8L Duramax glares from across the room. This is not a good video for Sunday, guys. So wishing we could have had the wonderful Sunday morning coffee and “No Pavement Needed” way to start the day.
Snarfs, lol. Haven't heard the boys mention that place in a long time. Maybe they got sick of it being unfindable by any manufacturer's navigation system.
@@BROON71 But there are still brand new diesel Colorados on the lots. A few weeks difference in production date doesn't make much difference to me, as long as it's got a warranty.
Who is spending $66k plus on a mid size truck?!?!?!?! I get that this is optioned and the engine is expensive and blah blah blah and that car prices are generally increasing... but... I... who... why... when... where... how... $66k?!?!?! Maybe I’m just cheap... not maybe, I am cheap. Or maybe it’s a Jeep thing, that I just don’t understand. I’m NOT knocking the truck or Jeep you Jeepsters, so calm down, just saying... $66k!!!!!!!!! 😳
What's the big deal with diesel engines? Lately I've been watching videos on trucks with diesel engines and they have a higher torque rating than gas engines but their payload and towing numbers are less. Why would anyone want to pay more for less? As far as workability of the truck goes.
I don't get it. FCA keeps adding more trims, unreliable engines, lowers the build quality, and raises vehicle prices to beyond what average people can afford. In 2004 I bought a brand new Wrangler Rubicon with an automatic trans, tinted windows soft top, for under $28k. Same vehicle now is over $40k and does not have the reliability earned by years of great Jeep vehicles. They are selling the Jeep life and heritage and apparently people with way more money than sense are buying them !? SMH
I love Jeep, I own a TrailHawk and a Cummins Ram, you made a mistake on your claim that Jeep is the only USA Company that makes and/or made a mid size truck with a diesel. Jeep wasn’t not the first in recent years to start a diesel in their mid size new Gladiator. That title belongs to Chevy (Colorado ZR2 Min-Duramax Turbo Deisel). Which is a very capable mid-size off road truck. Not as many aftermarket options but Chevy did it first. The sad story here is that Toyota NEVER brought their Hylux Diesel (Tacoma) to the US Market, and further more disappointment Toyota never introduced the International Diesel in the Tundra (I used to be a Master Certified Toyota Technician). Out of all motors companies, Toyota has dropped both its Balls (peeing on itself in the bottom of the market). JEEP... they along with Chrysler/Mopar have TRULY STEPPED IT UP! The new Rubicon Hybrid with 50mpg is coming soon this quarter (Q1, 2021) and so it the Rubicon 392 (Hemi-V8 with 470HP/470TQ)!!! Exciting times in the JEEP World... my response to Ford would be, KEEP IT UP! Ford is making Jeep BETTER AND BETTER!
What you are witnessing is the soon to be end of the American auto industry. When gas and diesel prices hit $6-7 a gallon vehicles like this will be worth scrap dollars that’s about it.
@@JStryker7 lol 😂. Key word now. After the fracking stops oil demand goes up and supply goes down. Gasoline prices then rise. Once the US loses its oil independence we become reliant on foreign oil. Saudi’s are moving away from the oil industry. They have a vision 2030 and are heavily investing in ev’s.
@@jimbeam4111 tires, plastics, asphalt, heavier equipment. Roads aren't getting stronger so weight limits still apply and batteries are heavy. Above a certain weight, electricity becomes more and more impractical
@@jimbeam4111 Umm, the term "mall crawler/ing" is a figure of speech when describing the overall use of an off road vehicle. To put it more simply, most of those aren't going off road at that price until they are well used.
@@ubangiestomp i knew what you meant. My point was with gas and diesel prices projected to hit $6-7 within the next three years, vehicles like this will not sell and for the fools who bought them will see their 65k purchase drop to a value of less than $10,000. “Mall crawling moms” don’t want a jeep they want a Tesla and soon to be Xpeng.
The jeep gladiator Rubicon diesel is the best 4 x 4 truck I have ever driven ever and I have driven dodge Toyota and General Motors and by far this jeep diesel gladiator put all of them to shame love it what a great truck
The diesel is for when you take it up the huge grades at the mall and high center on the garden medians in the parking lot! Seriously, if you are an off-roader the low end torque is class leading, but statistically most never see a gravel road.
@@kitchentrout5867 that’s so cute. I have a gladiator and wrangler diesel and have had wrangler for 2 years and the gladiator for 1 year. Combined mileage of 30,000 miles. I have not had one issue. Not one. The only thing I could complain about the diesel is when it goes thru the cleaning cycle of the exhaust, you must drive it hard and try to let it finish it cycle before turning it off or parking in your garage.
@@Ulfstigandr They really do peel open like a can. We use F-150's at work and have had several bedsides completely replaced. It would have been a simple repair on a traditional bedside.
Dodge did same thing with the Dakota and priced them more then the 1500 and didnt offer anything for it other then a bland work class interior no real luxury off off road options. They threw this out there with all the bells and whistles super high price and no real use as a truck and wonder why the dakota and this wont do well in the market when you got dodge or just a plain jeep that will serve better and cost less
@Paul Nobert the Hemi is only about 500 lbs and the diesel adds about 400 lbs to the curb weight over the standard 3.6. The higher torque and HP will definitely be attractive to the majority of people I think. The diesel is great for the trails and crawling but I don’t think I could pass up the 392. I can take extra fuel🤣
@Paul Nobert true, but only if they were willing to go aftermarket and were willing to deal with potential warranty or emissions issues. That and it would still be added weight, so would affect payload (and inevitably towing as a result).
@Paul Nobert yeah I dont know for certain, but the numbers I saw were ~326lbs for the Pentastar and ~500lb for the Apache (listed as dry, so I'm not sure if the Pentastar's figure was as well, that could net a potential 25lb difference).
Final price isn’t that bad compared to Australian mid size trucks like some top specs top 70+ but conversion from US dollar to AUD is 90 which be lucky to get base dual cab Toyota Landcruiser ute.
Just had a rental Tacoma TRD Pro for yesterday driving from Phoenix to Colorado Springs helping my brother move and as a diehard Chevy fan I was blown away and just about converted. With the two of us, 300 lbs payload and towing a 04 Toyota Matrix packed with probably another 600 lbs Payload we averaged 13 mpg over 845 miles driving the most direct route through the thick of the mountains. The truck and I never seemed to agree what gear it should be in but it never lacked for power to get up hills at speed, we could easily pull out and pass and it is the most comfortable vehicle this USMC Infantry Vet with my torn up back and knees has ever road tripped in! Put a diesel in that and I’d have to take my bow tie off for good AND it’d still be way under $66k
