I love Garys Idea on how to have 8-10 tournaments that all tours play on courses all over the world, and then have 2-3 other tours they all go back to and everyone collecting would golf points !!
Except that was Norman’s original idea that Finchem rejected - to have 8 tournaments the best played on to get Seve to the states more (4 in us , 4 global as to not impact key events) - in order to qualify for those events you had to Maintain status on your own tour - he wasn’t trying to eliminate the European tour - The new overall money in golf is global not US centric - why Nike made much more $$$ in Asia Tired of hearing players say they can’t play every week making millions - please tell that to a truck driver, surgeon, military personnel - or pretty much everyone else that works And please stop saying ‘golf’ or the ‘game’ is in chaos - the game of golf is just fine - the professional game has issues the biggest one is that people are discovering they’d rather play themselves than watch commercials with some millionaires hitting shots occasionally -
@@Kevin-l4 I truly dont care what they do as long as they ALL get on the same page for the game of GOLF, times change and now is time to develop a true worldwide tour, not just the USA PGA monopoly !! Make major events all over the world start NEW traditions of the game ! I have not wanted the PGA in over 5 years , or the majors, have become boring and the guys play slow as hell! and ALL the great names are now on LIV and the PGA looks like a triple A ball team now , I actually turned on Wase management tournament and only knew one guys name on the leader board. Ill keep watching the LPGA they get that its ALL ENTERTAIMENT and its US that pay their bills, where the PGA have forgotten!!!!
Great insight and opinions, really good. My two cents from overseas - tournaments called Waste Management - really - I thought they wanted have legacy - Colonial, Greensboro.....lastly I have watched the LIV golf (free on RU-vid in Scotland) on my TV and now really enjoy the 54 holes shotgun start with lots of golf shown, also the team element has started to make a difference - with all 4 players counting on last day the team result shifts all the way to the end. I like the Dp World and PGA coverage when I need a wee nap!!
I love you guys, you get right to the point and talk about exactly what is going down. I have always felt that if the PGA keeps refusing to work with LIV, LIV would keep taking the PGA's best players away. PGA better find a way for the tours to work together or they are SUNK. Personally, I don't watch the PGA anymore. LIV is so fun to watch, and has most of the best players, why watch anything else?
I wish you were closer to me. Mr. Kostis makes more sense than any teacher I have had from 1984-1999. Love your opinions. They make sense so we know the Tour would never listen. I call the tour Pitch and Putt golf, errant drives don't seem to cost you much in strokes as they should.
Great point Peter. The pga players are criticizing the Liv players for playing for money when the pga is infusing a group to provide more money for their players. So they are also playing for more money. It’s become more of that instead of playing for the trophy or legacy, except for the majors. If the pga doesn’t do this, then their players will leave the tour for Liv and MORE MONEY. He’s right, they should have re teed and worked it out with PIF, one partner and made it work. SSG will have a new, different agenda and complicate the whole issue and open up cans of worms. Keep hitting your ball out of the woods.
Agreed...same with me with AT&T-Pebble Beach when Cypress Point was forced to bring certain kinds of people on its membership...Cypress Point CC said FU to the PGA
Tired of a liar named Jay Monahan. I haven't watched anything on the PGA tour since this started. I did watch the LIV tournament in Mexico. Excellent golf! And there was a 19 year old closing his round with 5 birdies. Another potential source for PIF recruitment. ALl players should play in ANY event. If I were PIF I'd recruit the top players in Asia, India, Europe and pick up 12 "name" PGA players each year. Then I'd tell the PGA to stick it. McCord sounds like the old old man trying to hold on to the system.
While I appreciate hearing the inside scoop on combining the golf tours, I was happy to hear you getting back to anecdotes and golf tips until there’s an actual agreement on the new setup. Thanks, fellas!
Didn’t understand it, but was entertaining. You tree are the best. Regards, Richard Bullard (80 yrs very old, bad heart, bad back, bad knees…use a walker, etc.🥴). Class A golf pro (1965) Greenville SC Greenville County Club asst pro under Dutch Hood ( formerly at Winged foot NY)
Not sure I want to tell my buddies about Kostis lessons I might lose money. Oh ok I’ll just learn to play better 😝. If McCord ever comes thru KC and his caddy still has clubs for sale tell him to give me a shout. Really enjoyed talking to Gary when he played the senior tour
How long do you guys think before the TV bosses are cornered by the shareholders because their station is not broadcasting golf tournaments with stronger fields and more influential golfers (the needle-movers on LIV) which will give more value to their Advertisers....?
All I can say is I dearly miss the Kostis swing analysis and the McCord humor and insights into the game -- love to hear your golf voices. You guys were the best. I don't give a damn about LIV Golf and their Mickey Mouse format -- this is and always will be an individual game of guts and will. Look at the the players that left--pretty much all d'bags and I don't miss any of them. LIV Golf has no feeder tour, no place to pull players from other than the PGA TOUR--and that's about to come to a halt. Eventually Phil and the old players will be gone and the talent will saturate--LIV will die on the vine. The PGA needs to be strong and not let those defectors back -- don't need them to succeed.
Throughout all these discussions about PIF, SSG, World Tour, PGA schedule changes, nobody has explained how a sustainable business model is being developed to support bigger prize funds, private jets etc. PGA Tour sponsors balk at the costs, others walk away, PIF have throw billions at an unsustainable model in a niche sport with low TV viewing audiences. The only way for this to work is ‘growing the game’ and I have seen precious little details on that. There is a day of reckoning coming for the men’s sport……
What would be the downside/negatives to a franchise system for tournaments? I'm picturing free agents who've honed their skills earning the privilege of playing in the events that they choose. If there's no market for that, then so be it. If golf-loving investors see it as a risk worth taking, then let them compete for viewership. Or, if some folks are just so crazy rich - for whatever reason (Saudi oil, for example) and choose to be patrons for golfing "artists", then, why not? Fans also get to vote with their feet and dollars. Sounds like the TV/cable/streaming bidness is getting right interesting these days. Way over my head. My sense is that the Monahan types who revel in "controlling", practically *owning*, these hard working, risk taking, talented golfers are now about to get what they deserve. Just watched a nice Rahm interview. Says he'd love to continue to enter and play in PGA Tour events. Has Monahan considered simply allowing that to happen? Does LIV control what their players can do during their off weeks? Gary and Peter will get it figured out. 🙂
The whole grow the game is bs. If you want growth, offer free beginner lessons and trial rounds. Most courses I play it's already hard to get out and lay. Just throwing more money at the top pros is not a real solution. My opinion it's just a way to increase the purses.
If either side was smart, they'd hire these guys for their telecasts. Both PGAT and LIV are not good products anymore. Peter and Gary would make one of them worth watching.
it’s a ploy. PGA basically sells to SSG for 1.5 billion. They give that money to the players that remained LOYAL. Then they sell to the PIF for 3 billion and SSG just doubled their money.
I dont get it. SSG gives PGA $1.5B, then PGA turns around and gives the players $1.5B. So what is SSG getting for their $1.5B???? How are they going to get a return on their money when the PGA tour loses money each year?
Take this for what it's worth, which is not much. Every acronym is an abbreviation, not every abbreviation is an acronym. An acronym is a pronouncable word, such as, PIF. PGA in not pronouncable. SCUBA is another example of an acronym. Who cares is a legitimate question.
I hope someone can come up with a format for television that would decrease the amount of commercials. It’s becoming unwatchable, unless you record it and fast forward. Formula One and World Cup football have somehow managed to do that successfully. The “playing through” thing is a joke.
The money SSG gave to the Tour players is nothing more than a tax write off . Top it off the Top 36 players end up with about 70% of the money doled out by SSG. The rest of the players get the scraps. The folks in the Senate who don’t like the Saudis for some reason Love the Ukraine.
They don't want to....global tour is the future.....I don't want the PGAT to have a monopoly over all the best players..events only played in US...boooo
They don't want to....global tour is the future.....I don't want the PGAT to have a monopoly over all the best players..events only played in US...boooo
@pauljcross2289 no. Did the PGA Tour do that with the old European Tour? I remember the animosity towards each other back in the day. The best European players primarily played the European Tour. Look at Colin Montgomery winning the order of Merit like 9 years in a row. Sam Torrance was another. Seve Ballesteros. This is nothing new, same song different musicians.
