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@tonysplodge44
@tonysplodge44 Год назад
I've been following Prof Penn for a fairly long time, and I can't remember the last time he did polynomial long division... takes me back many decades
@sfdghsggsa
@sfdghsggsa 2 месяца назад
I can't remember the last time he wrote diagonally
@cyangupta2275
@cyangupta2275 Год назад
Here's my solution: Start by factoring as (x-y)(x^2+xy+y^2)=xy+61, x^2+xy+y^2 can be written as 1/2(x+y)^2+1/2(x^2+y^2) which is clearly greater than 0 Case 1: x-y=0, this clearly has no solutions as it reduces to x^2+61=0 Case 2: x-y>0, since x and y are integers, x-y is greater than or equal to 1 so x^2+xy+y^2≤xy+61, cancelling gives x^2+y^2≤61, checking the finite number of solutions gives (6,5),(-5,-6) as the only ones Case 3: x-y
@him21016
@him21016 Год назад
Nice! Much simpler
@spaghetti1383
@spaghetti1383 Год назад
An intuitive substitution is u=x-y, v=xy. This leads to 3u-1 having to divide 1646=2*823 (semiprime). This creates only 4 cases for u, just 2 of which are integers. One case gives both solutions because the substitution is quadratic, the other fails produce a rational x.
@boluo7157
@boluo7157 Год назад
Another (fairly unintuitive) solution, is to multiply both sides by 27 and subtract 1 from both sides and you get (3x)³ + (−3y)³ + (−1)³ − 3(3x)(−3y)(−1) = 1646. The LHS is in the form a³ + b³ + c³ -3abc which famously factorises as (a + b + c)(a² + b² + c² - ab - bc - ca) and so the LHS can be factored as such. Then it's just matching factors that work.
@boluo7157
@boluo7157 Год назад
btw this problem is originally from the Russian maths olympiad
@johns.8246
@johns.8246 Год назад
It's still way more straightforward than Dr. Penn's method.
@hoangnguyennguyen6445
@hoangnguyennguyen6445 Год назад
nice bro
@AlinaKlein953
@AlinaKlein953 Год назад
That's classic bro
@echandler
@echandler Год назад
Consider (a + b + c)(a² + b² + c² - ab - bc - ca) = (a + b + c)[(a + b + c)² - 3(ab + bc + ca)] mod 3. The first factor = 2 (mod 3). The second = 1 (mod 3). This quickly eliminates all but one pair of factors of 1646.
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 Год назад
14:53
@devotion7890
@devotion7890 Год назад
Nice and interesting video. Could you please make more videos about number theory or Diophantine equations?
@JosuaKrause
@JosuaKrause Год назад
in order for dividing by 3b-1 to be allowed it must not be zero or 3b=1 must not hold. since b must be an integer 3b=1 cannot hold. so dividing is fine. I felt it would be important to point that out to justify the division
@tahirimathscienceonlinetea4273
Hi, Michael your method is amazing and beneficial. Here's my method which is easy method:set x=y+m it's giving a polynomial p(y)=(y^2)(3m-1)+3m(m-1).y+m^3-61=0 let calculating Delta we find Something in terms of m=a perfect square ⬛️ >0 so then if m>6 delta is
@Dagestanidude
@Dagestanidude Год назад
You can represent 61 as (4)^3-3 and find that for positive arguments the equation is solved for y with a remainder of 2 when divided by 3 and x divisible by 3, and immediately find (x;y) equal to (6;5), prove that for large x,y the equation has no solutions, because the left part will invariably be larger than the right. Cases with negative arguments are easy
@真正的粉丝-d5y
@真正的粉丝-d5y Год назад
why the maximum power is 3 not 2 .There is no general solution to this type of problem
@dabozz88
@dabozz88 Год назад
If you look at the factorization of the difference of cubes you can make some inferences. (x-y)(x^2 +xy +y^2) = xy + 61 If you assume (x-y) is an integer since it must be due to the nature of the problem, you can do the following cases Case 1: (x-y)=1 (x^2 +xy +y^2) = xy + 61 x^2 + (x+1)^2 = 61 Which or knowing it's a sum of squares what gets you 61? 5^2=25 and 6^2=36. Also realizing that squaring negative numbers also works, but the difference condition requires x to be greater than y. Case 2: (x-y)=2 2(x^2 +xy +y^2) = xy + 61 2x^2 + 2y^2 = 61 - xy x^2 + y^2 = 61/2 - xy/2 Where we see that x and y can't be 0 because you can't have a sum of squares that gives you 30.5. Then we know the minimum it can be is X=3, y=1, which gives us 10 ≠ 29.5 Incrementing X=4, y=2, yielding 20 ≠ 26.5 X=5, y=3, but this goes over at 34 ≠ 23 So there is no solution at (x-y)=2 We can keep trying the cases but we end up with (x-y)=z x^2 + y^2 = 61/z +xy* (1-z)/z Where we know that x or y can't be 0, z can't be zero. We also know that there is an answer for z=1 where x=6 so the integers can only go from 0 to 6 or their negative counterparts. It'd be interesting to try where Z is less than 0.
@kavehghayour4117
@kavehghayour4117 Год назад
a similar proof but much less elaborate is to replace x with y +m where m is an integer and then proceed to show that permissible values of (3*m-1) are the factors of 1646 which are 1,2,823 and itself. m can only be equal to 1 and then one can easily arrive at your final solution
@Christian_Martel
@Christian_Martel Год назад
I often go brain cramping when I see a long division done this way, because I’ve learned it the French way with bracket inverted and the divisor in the bracket.
@becomepostal
@becomepostal Год назад
Also there are a lot of tricks to find the result without long division.
@nHans
@nHans Год назад
I'm also guessing you learnt math in French. So the fact that he's speaking in English must be really giving you a migraine, am I right? Which makes me wonder ... 🤔
@Christian_Martel
@Christian_Martel Год назад
@@nHans Absolutely not, I've learned English many years ago and I'm very confortable doing maths in English, thanks for asking. It's just happening with the long division method. I didn't know this "other" method. Actually, as a good Canadian, in science I know four languages: French, English, SI units and Imperial Units! :D
@yuseifudo6075
@yuseifudo6075 Месяц назад
​@@nHans Wtf is this reply
@urosstevanovic3516
@urosstevanovic3516 Год назад
This can be factored, motivated by those two cubes into the form a^3 + b^3 + c^3 - 3abc = (a+b+c)(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 - ab - bc - ca). After multipying by 27, and using the formula for a=3x, b=-3y and c=-1, this factors as (a+b+c)(a^2 + b^2 + c^2 - ab - bc - ca) = 27*61 - 1. Now, this again doesn't seem to have any nice way of solving, but the brute force is not so bad. Firstly the "bigger" parentheses is always positive and therefore the other one has to be positive. Also the first one is smaller than the second one so it leaves us only a few cases, again a lot of work, but the problem doesn't have any "nice" solution.
@Szynkaa
@Szynkaa Год назад
I did this by putting y=x+k, then few things cancel out and we are left with quadratic, where y is variable and k is parameter. We calculate delta and notice only for k=1,2,3,4,5 it is positive (some boring analysis- we factor out (3k-1)*(cubic trash) and then look at derivative) but even more- straight checking says only for k=1 it is perfect square. Therefore using quadratic formula we get y=5 or y= (-6) which leads us to final solution
@mathboy8188
@mathboy8188 Год назад
In what's almost the same, can choose integer a s.t. x = y + a in order to kill the y^3 term, leaving a quadratic in y with coefficients in a. Even though a is unknown, can in principle solve that quadratic for y, and a & y both being integers creates hard constraints on their possibilities. Given x,y integers s.t. x^3 - y^3 = xy + 61, let a = x - y. Then 3a y^2 + 3a^2 y + a^3 = y^2 + ay + 61, so (3a - 1) y^2 + (3a^2 - a) y + (a^3 - 61) = 0. Thus y^2 + a y + Q = 0, where Q = (a^3 - 61)/(3a - 1). a & y integers => Q an integer. Q = (a^3 - 61)/(3a - 1) = a^2/3 + a/9 + 1/27 - (1646/27)/(3a - 1), so 27 Q = 9a^2 + 3a + 1 - 1646/(3a - 1). Since everything there is an integer, and (3a - 1) | 1646, so using 1646 = 2(823), 823 a prime, gives: (3a - 1) in { 1, 2, 823, 1646 }. Thus (3a - 1) in { 2, 1646 } via congruence mod 3, so a = 1 or a = 1647/3 = 549, so a in {1, 549}. Have y^2 + a y + Q = 0 where Q = (a^3 - 61)/(3a - 1), and a in {1, 549}. If a = 549, then 3a - 1 = 1646, so Q = ((549)^3 - 61)/(3(549) - 1) = 100,528. Then y^2 + 549 y + 100,528 = 0. Discriminant = 549^2 - 4(100,528) = 10^4 { 5.49^2 - 4(10.0528) } < 10^4 { 6^2 - 4(10.0528) } < 0, so 2 complex roots, so a = 549 can't work. If a = 1, then Q = ((1)^3 - 61) / (3(1) - 1) = -60/2 = -30, so y^2 + y - 30 = 0, so (y - 5)(y + 6) = 0. Thus y in { 5, -6 }, and since x = y + a, get two possible solutions y=5, x=6 or y=-6, x=-5. Checking: x^3 - y^3 ?=? xy + 61 6^3 - 5^3 ?=? (6)(5) + 61 216 - 125 ?=? 30 + 61 216 - 125 = 91. x^3 - y^3 ?=? xy + 61 (-5)^3 - (-6)^3 ?=? (-6)(-5) + 61 6^3 - 5^3 = (6)(5) + 61 (as before). SOLUTION: y=5, x=6 or y=-6, x=-5.
@heldercomp
@heldercomp Год назад
Easily xy0. If (x,y) is a solution then clearly (-y,-x) is too. But if xy0. But in this case, clearly x>y. Since x2-xy+y2>xy, we have xy+61 > (x-y)xy. We can consider 2 cases: 1) x-y>1 => xyy y2+y-30=0 and hence the only solutions are (6,5) and (-5,-6).
@hughcaldwell1034
@hughcaldwell1034 Год назад
This is more or less what I did. Penn's solution seems unnecessarily convoluted and unintuitive.
@heldercomp
@heldercomp Год назад
@@hughcaldwell1034 Totally agree. The much more natural change of variables would be a=x-y and b= xy. Since x2+y2= a2+2b, the main equation turns into: a(a2+3b)=b+61 => a3+b(3a-1)=61 => 27a3+27b(3a-1)=1647 => (3a)3-1+27b(3a-1)=1646 Now, clearly (3a-1) divides 1646=2x823, and the rest follows as his solution. The way he presents us seems a bit unnatural.
@mayankmrinal
@mayankmrinal Год назад
Wake up early morning and watch a math video. Keeps you alert while day❤
@eiseks3410
@eiseks3410 Год назад
I think these number theory problems start to get boring. Maybe it's better to focus on more advanced mathematics, not only highschool problems
@General12th
@General12th Год назад
Is this a not-so-subtle brag?
@echandler
@echandler Год назад
Some of these "high school" problems are more interesting than you might think. Consider integer solutions for a^2 + ab + b^2 = N.
@stephenhamer8192
@stephenhamer8192 Год назад
My first thought was "complete the cube" and hope to get some kind of factorisation on the left and a number on the right. Completing the cube gives: (x - y)^3 = -3x^2.y + 3x.y^2 + xy +61 = 61 - xy.[3(x - y) - 1] Subtract 1 on the left and it factorises as [(x - y) - 1][ some other junk]. Hmm, that (x - y) - 1 is kinda like 3(x - y) - 1 on the right. 💡Multiply by 27 before subtracting 1, gives (after a little rearrangement): [3(x - y) - 1][9(x - y)^2 + 3(x - y) + 1] + 27.xy.[3(x - y) - 1] = 27.61 - 1 = 1646 Or: [3(x - y) - 1][9(x - y)^2 + 3(x - y) + 1 + 27.xy] = 1646 Which is the factorisation we need Thus 3(x - y) - 1 = (+/-)1, (+/-)2, (+/-)823, or (+/-)1646. Solve for x - y (which must be an integer), then find x (and hence y) from 9(x - y)^2 + 3(x - y) + 1 + 27.xy = quotient of the value of x - y in 1646 Sorta like bo luo's solution below, only a lot more pedestrian
@tomholroyd7519
@tomholroyd7519 Год назад
multiplying by 27 was a bit like magic
@lgooch
@lgooch Год назад
I agree, I would not have seen that.
@Ny0s
@Ny0s Год назад
Multiplying by 27 out of nowhere ^^ pretty creative
@luisaleman9512
@luisaleman9512 Год назад
It's not out of nowhere. He said he wanted to divide by 3b-1, so in order to have a nice division he wanted the b^3 to be (3b)^3 or 27b^3
@Deepnil
@Deepnil Год назад
Thank you Micheal !!
@prag9582
@prag9582 2 месяца назад
From (x-y)(x^2+y^2) = 61 => x^2+y^2 x^2 x = -5 => (x^2+6) = 31 is a solution
@becomepostal
@becomepostal Год назад
Well done.
@kpaasial
@kpaasial Год назад
Not related to this but are you going to cover the new proof of the Pythagorean theorem that is supposed to be non-circular?
@daniellosh1015
@daniellosh1015 Год назад
x^3 - y^3 =xy+61 implies (3x-3y-1)(+ve factor in x, y) = 2x823, 3x-3y-1=2 gives the two solutions. No integer solution for the other factor.
@fryguy2009
@fryguy2009 Год назад
Why must 2 mod 3 apply?
@clifordinda1847
@clifordinda1847 Год назад
To examine only the factors you need. To save on time and energy
@fryguy2009
@fryguy2009 Год назад
@@clifordinda1847 I understand its utility. I just don’t understand why 2 mod 3 in particular. The answer is probably staring me in the face…..
@RexxSchneider
@RexxSchneider Год назад
@@fryguy2009 At 9:58 we are trying to narrow down the set of possible values for (3b-1) where b is an integer. If you consider the set of _all_ possible values of (3b-1), you get 2 when b=1, 5 when b=2, then 8, 11, 14, etc. What those all have in common is that they leave a remainder of 2 when divided by 3, so they are the set of integers congruent to 2 (mod 3) by definition. Does that answer your question?
@luisaleman9512
@luisaleman9512 Год назад
@@fryguy2009 that's because 3b-1 (mod 3) = -1 = 2, so you know that your factor must have a remainder of 2 when divided by 3.
@fryguy2009
@fryguy2009 Год назад
@@luisaleman9512 thank you. I see it now. Obtuse of me.
@saj_f0
@saj_f0 Год назад
Isn't b a integer ? So u have to consider the negative factors of 6584 .
@lazyvector
@lazyvector Год назад
27a²+(3b+2)² is always positive. You can't divide 6584 by negative number, the equation won't have any solutions then.
@saj_f0
@saj_f0 Год назад
@@lazyvector oh I got it ☺️☺️ thx ❤️
@elifalk8544
@elifalk8544 Год назад
One thing you should ALWAYS do at the end of these videos is double check all solutions against the original equation.
@Maths_3.1415
@Maths_3.1415 Год назад
Nice solution :)
@Vladimir_Pavlov
@Vladimir_Pavlov Год назад
Another way is possible to solve the equation y^3-x^3 = y*x-61 =0 in integers. It is not difficult to see that the variables x and y must have different parity: if x is even, then y is odd, and vice versa. Then, if we write y=x+a, then a must be an odd integer. Substituting this into the original equation, we get a quadratic equation with respect to x with the parameter a: (3*a+1)*x^2 +(3*a^2 +a)*x+a^3 +61 =0. Its discriminant D(a)= -3*a^4 +2*a^3 +a^2 is 732*a - 244. Examining D(a), for example, graphically, we find that D(a)>0 for odd integer values a = -1, -3, -5, but only for a= -1 is the square of an integer. So, a= -1. The quadratic equation is reduced to the form x^2 - x-30=0. x=6, y=5 & x= -5, y= -6.
@Aditya_196
@Aditya_196 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video i was stuck in a similar problem now i know how to tackle
@manucitomx
@manucitomx Год назад
Thank you, professor.
@davidblauyoutube
@davidblauyoutube Год назад
First! Great solution, too.
@FreeGroup22
@FreeGroup22 Год назад
ah yes, the solutions of a function
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown
@shruggzdastr8-facedclown Год назад
@M. Penn: If you're multiplying both sides by 4, shouldn't the initial b on the lefthand side have a 4 in front of it, or am I mistaken?
@bradhoward
@bradhoward Год назад
Why can’t 3b - 1 be a negative integer?
@isura.m
@isura.m 10 месяцев назад
What if 3b - 1 is negative?
@General12th
@General12th Год назад
Hi Dr. Penn!
@urielozer
@urielozer Год назад
why dont chack negative options for 3b-1? Like -1,-2 ...
@Milan_Openfeint
@Milan_Openfeint Год назад
There don't seem to be solutions coming from that but yes, e.g. -4 is a valid factor of 6584.
@JamesLewis2
@JamesLewis2 Год назад
He showed on the previous board that 6584/(3b−1) is positive.
@Craznar
@Craznar Год назад
Just for fun I asked GPT4 to solve the problem, and it came up with the same answers in a far easier way, but I think it made an invalid assumption. It did the first step the same -> (x - y)(x^2 + xy + y^2) = xy + 61 But then it did two cases: Case 1 : x - y = 1 -> solving for x and y gave (x, y) = (6, 5) and (-5, -6) Case 2 : x^2 + xy + y^2 = 1 -> solving for x and y gave (x,y) = {(1,0),(0,1),(-1,0),(0,-1)} It then tested both cases and found case 2 offered no valid solutions. I think it assumed that xy+61 was prime somehow.
@elvistheawesome4864
@elvistheawesome4864 Год назад
Gpt4 is still far away from human intelligence there are many problems that it fail to solve and give wrong answers
@markbracegirdle7110
@markbracegirdle7110 Год назад
That's impressive.
@MichaelPennMath
@MichaelPennMath Год назад
It's not actually *doing* the problem the way, say, Wolfram would. This is just cobbling things together that look like they fit, that's why you got that weird first case. -Stephanie MP Producer, Editor
@clickaccept
@clickaccept Год назад
x-y=1 has an infinite number of solutions other than those given.
@Neodynium.the_permanent_magnet
GPT just fits some stuff based on its likeness of being here. The likeness is based upon the billions of data in has ingested, and MSE is part of it. There is no reasoning. Yet.
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