Finding love after leaving a CULT 

Best collab ever!! Shelise and Johnathan are so cute together and Amanda ALWAYS manages to crack me up even when talking about the darkest stuff... you have the best sense of humor Amanda you could do standup seriously I wish I knew you irl because you just seem so awesome

I was born into a Pentecostal church, and once I got to 10 years old I started to question things and wondered why I was so scared leaving church all the time. So I told my mom I wanted to check out the Kingdom Hall which is Jehovah’s Witness and it’s what my grandparents were part of, so she didn’t see an issue with it… and omg i thought fear of end times were bad with the Pentecostal church…. I left that church crying because I didn’t want to have fear in my heart when talking about Jesus. So I stopped going at 12 years old and started to read the Bible on my own with no religion attached to it. And that was the best decision I’ve ever made!! No one can tell me what’s in the Bible without me already knowing. It’s crazy how many religions run on fear. Thanks for sharing your stories because it’s so relatable❤️

So your mandated to tell the bishop but when abuse is involved, the bishop doesn’t feel they are mandated to report to Law enforcement! Disgusting!

I grew up Pentecostal and I find myself gravitating towards your stories also. The similarities of childhood end times trauma, purity culture, etc. are comforting to know that it's an experience I didn't face alone :,)

I’ve heard someone explain it like this: consciousness is energy. Energy never dies, so our consciousness must go somewhere when our body, or vessel basically, dies. It’s a scientific explanation, and I really liked it. I don’t know about a higher being or a Heaven or Hell, but I can appreciate the fact that we really do have a “soul.”

Y'all work so well together. I laugh and cry and get mad all in one video. Y'all are my favorite. So beautiful and strong women.

❤😂❤ "so for some reason Satan's locked up for like a thousand years somewhere" "yeah because he didn't have the canned food" I'm dying! You two are great together❤

“So If it sounds like Johnothan is 3 hallways down, that’s why” 😂😂😂 I can hear him great not bothered:)

Shelise and Amanda - such amazing women. I wish I could express how much I admire you and the impact you both are having. I wish I could express how I feel, even as a silly RU-vid viewer who has had nothing to do with any LDS church, how much of a connection I feel towards you. I appreciate how you both are able to tap into that woo woo universal oneness. Please know that on those hard days, I, or somebody else from the comments, is lifting you up and supporting you.

I watch both C2C and Amanda Rae. I have worried about all you guys because you spend so much mental time in such dark places. Seeing you all together feels wonderfully light and healing. Shelise and Jonathan enjoy Amanda's humor, but they're not going to let her use it to block feelings she needs to deal with. Amanda recognizes and values the fact that empathy is a superpower that Shelise and Jonathan share. Amanda will also make sure they don't forget that reinjuring yourself on someone else's trauma is no help to anyone. I love watching you guys together.

Your “What happens after death” was so amazing to me. I have stage 4 cancer and I’m thinking about this a lot lately. I guess I’m a little closer to finding out so of course I wonder. I was raised Catholic and never really believed the Bible after death thing. I’m curious to hear how the other people who have escaped the high demand religions think about these things. Love your videos and have been a fan since “Escaping Polygamy”

Yey! Shelise & Jonathan are part of culty crew now!❤Thank you for sharing how you met, cute couple 🦋

Culty Crew meets C2C once again for another phenomenal podcast. Thank you, Amanda Rae & Shelise for all the time, effort, & patience, not only with yourselves for the growth you two have had since walking away from the Kingston Clan & the LDS, also for the patience in explaining so much to those of us who haven't been part of one or both of those groups.

So grateful for you both having the strength and courage to tell us about your journeys.

I love you guys all together. It all feels very natural. It’s great to see you laughing 😊

You both need to make this a regular podcast, you just spark of each other ❤❤

Wonderful episode, my philosophy is do no harm but take no shit.

Love how conversational this is 😊

Amanda is so inspiring i love how brutally honest she is and CTC YOU ROCK STARS

👏 2 of my favorite u-tube gals ❤️

OMG!! CTC giving the Cutly Podcast some audio upgrade!!😃 I mean I’ll always love the bedroom sessions but seeing you in this full Podcast setup is awesome! It’s so wonderful to see you killing it Amanda! 👏🏽

Love your little dog, so sweet. So enjoy these videos, you guys are great!

What a great combo - all three of you! Please do more podcasts together. I come from ex-communist country and some things resonate completely with your religious experiences. I'm agnostic and very open-minded to different perspectives when it comes to the after-life. I'd absolutely love to do the retrospect hypnosis! Thank you all for the captivating podcast! ❤❤❤

I love you three so much! Thank you for bringing some spiritual sunshine into my day. You are restoring my belief that there are beautiful souls in this world as I heal from Mormonism and narcissistic abuse. Much love to you all! 💜💜💜

Love you two together! Just great energy

Thank you beautiful humans. I love using this analogy with my clients “If a flower is not growing/flourishing you don’t change the flower you change the environment” Don’t let anyone dampen your sparkle 💖 🙏

I come from a strict catholic upbringing and now being able to identify my consistent struggle and it finally having a name to it (purity culture) is so freeing. I feel less alone.

First time on your channel, Amanda❣️So grateful to be here ❤

I still can't believe how tough these women are! I have one specail needs adult child and I'm exhausted and my iron is low. I have no idea how they handle the stitches from ripping, childbirth, breast feeding, loosing so much blood, they are amazing women! This world wouldn't have been populated if it were up to me lol

What an amazing partnership! I love the fact that all 3 of y’all are leaning toward the free will the Lord has given us for your children. That is one of the best things you can give your children. Awesome!!!

So excited to see this - I love all the videos you two do together!

I am freaking out right now. As SOON as Shelise mentioned the past life regression show, all the memory bells went off!! 😅 I watched that show & I remember her on there. Wow!

Love your interviews with each other!

Shalise you are glowing❤

Shalise, I'm so glad to hear you acknowledge the past lives show because that's the first time I saw you on a show. I believed your experience on the show to be pretty authentic and when I realized you're an actual actress, a part of me got a little sad that you maybe weren't truly hypnotized and remembering. My point is, thanks for bringing this up in your authentic opinion. ❤

For health reasons it’s so important to know your body in the event you find a lump in your breast as an example 😢

You ladies are just an awesome combo exposing these cults. Jonathan, you're cool too.🙂

So crazy, once she said,”I did a life regression” I knew exactly where I had seen her. I’ve seen her episode like 4x because I thought it was so cool. She always looked so familiar to me now I know where I’ve seen her.

Ive been in therapy for years and your videos helped way more i think youre such an inspiration 💖

I could listen to the 2of you chatting all day 😅💜💜

Thank You for this one!! Love to see it!! ❤😊

Loce you two together. Mornon raised, left vegas to PNW and met the flds type and left bc bishop said "Heavenly Father will explain why the dad is fkn his young daughters doing piligamy is needed for celestial glory"... never looked back. You two and Jihn at mormon stories has really helped me heal. Thank you for standing. I fkn love yall

Great interview. ❤ watch both of your channels. Been catching up on your old videos Amanda.

As an non-mormon who became fascinated with the mormon phenomenon after watching South Park I have to say you two are my favorite ex-mo RU-vidrs. I first learned about the chewed gum teaching after Amanda Knox started talking out about it following her forced rape and rescue .

I think one of my most important jobs as a mother wasn't teaching my child what to think but rather how to think for themselves.

Love both of these channels! Love that you made two together and I’ve watched them both. Thank you for all you do!! I’m not x-Mormon or from any cultish background but I love learning and hearing all the info.

Re: object lessons, Elizabeth Smart has said how awful. And damn … if they’re damaging for the typical girl, how traumatic is it for someone who was abducted and SA’d for what, nine MONTHS??

Wow you have a whole setup for your podcast now! Good for you. I semi recently discovered your channel, but I was just watching all of the old ones that were popping up as suggestions but I've grown to really like you and you're the main podcast I listen to now. Glad you seem to be moving up in the world 😉

SHALISE! I need your ghost stories! Please!!!

Amanda, what you said Jim Carrey posted reminded me of a Carl Sagan quote. "We are not individuals experiencing the universe, we are the universe experiencing individuality." 💜💜💜 Who knows what happens next but I sure am glad I'm here.

I knew I recalled you from somewhere else! I love that show about past lives. To be honest, I figured that the show was "made up". Anyways, great episode ladies. I love it when you two get together.

I love you two together you are so great on the channel together …such a treat ❤❤

Wow! The Millennium story is very similar to nondenominational Christian theology. First time hearing this!

I love how Shelise described the first time having sex with her partner as a "full body yes". What a great description of what sex can be like when there is a close emotional connection and a sense of trust and safety.

I love both of your channels!! Theyre definitely a couple of my favorites!! Im not really sure why i got hooked into them, but i do resonate with some of your stories, being raised in the Southern Baptist church. It may not seem as high demand as your cults, but each family sets that bar.. Anyways, i love you guys and appreciate you too. Blessings to you all!

Fantastic show! Thank you so much.❤️

Great podcast Amanda and guests. You covered a lot and it was a pleasure to hear. Amanda you are such a brave woman and with such integrity. You’ve taught me so much about organisations that exist shrouded in mystery to us outsiders, you have every single receipt! One thing I can say from experience is that raising kids with age appropriate sex ed from an early age fosters a relationship where the child can come to you after hearing something elsewhere and trust you to tell them the truth. Also when kids are fully informed they are also much quicker to assert when they don’t believe someone should touch without spoken consent.

Love this collaboration! I appreciate all you do, and I love your sense of humor. Thank you for opening up and sharing so vulnerably.

1:10:04 I love your explanation about why you want to teach your kids about all religions!

I would like to hear more about the past life regressions that is so fascinating to me!!

Thank you for another fantastic video. I really appreciated Johnathan understanding that so many women have had traumatic situations and one woman's trauma might not be trauma to the next woman. It is so hard to be open and vulnerable, especially if you've rarely seen "normal" and have not had it for yourself. Integrity is one of the "pillars" that should be taught as well as critical thinking.

Shalise ❤❤❤oh hell yeah love you two together

Putting everyone's food in one big place would actually be dangerous in an SHTF situation. Only one fire would be needed to knock out food for thousands of people. Totally crazy.

You guys are great. It's refreshing to see young people talking about things that matter and caring about the future

GREAT job! I actually learned a lot from this episode, that I can take to heart moving forward. ❤ Thank you all for your honesty and the time you put into this.

Amanda you are such an amazing person!! Im so proud of you and your incredible strength!! Im so glad we are friends!! Keep up this important work that you do!! Love you!

Love this!!! ♥️ Thank you both for all that you do. So many people appreciate it

I thank you sooooo much for all of your stories, and input. Also the stories and lives of you, as well as your guests!!!

Fantastic interview 👏🏼❤I think ur so strong Amanda so proud of you. Love Shelise she’s such a beautiful soul . So are you Amanda I’m really enjoying ur interviews and getting to know you through ur content . Much love to you and to Shelise and her hubby ❤❤❤❤

Amanda, you're so cute! His volume is fine. 😘 Great video, so happy I heard your interview on Cult to Consciousness just yesterday. They're pod is super informative while being entertaining.

ALWAYs love seeing all three of you guys sit down and discuss things that are near and dear to you're hearts, keep them coming!

What a terrific interview! Thank you for sharing Amanda, Shelise and Johnathan.

The three of you make an awesome team. Thank you so very much. ❤❤

The culty duo we all needed🙌🏼❤️

Back in the 1970’s I worked with a young woman from Mesa, AZ at Zale’s Jewelers corporate offices. I was about 19 or 20 and she was about 23. She told me that her Mormon parents had forced her to abort her half black baby at five months gestation, even though her boyfriend was willing to marry her. I think she was 17 at the time. It was heart wrenching to hear her story. The managers were also Mormon and I didn’t work there very long because our manager treated her so poorly as though she was being punished. Very creepy.

Loved watching your episode on Mormon Stories, you're amazing!

So I started watching cults to consciousness because I saw Amanda, Gerald and Michelle on here. But, shelise you are awesome and I subscribed to your show because you’re fun and calming to listen to, and I’m interested in hearing your background story too.

I admire you so much. I didn’t even come from a cult and I feel like you have such a more open mind frame than I even do. Keep it up please!!❤

I had my first past life experience while meditating in high school. It was extremely vivid and powerful. Since then I've had some come on randomly. It took me a bit to accept what they probably are but it's pretty nifty and makes sense/provides context I agree with Shalise on magical thinking and belief systems

I appreciate Shelise adding the caveat about asexuals! A lot of people don't and while I understand why, it can be little tiring so I always feel validated when they do. I can tell you from experience though, growing up with purity culture as an asexual is an interesting experience in its own right 😂

great vid, ty, I see it there...unpacking that trauma...is the only course for a happy future...the couples happiness was very infectiouse...😁😆 cheers!

My friend who im an honorary aunt to her kids. I remember her younger son went through the touching phase and I loved her so much for it because she would tell him No, if you want to do that go to your room. thats something that you do in private. She never shamed him for it just told him that it should be done in private. I told her I was so proud of her

Love love love the energy authenticity and love in this live. Cheers to more videos.

As an atheist, I don't view myself as anti-religion. I'm not arrogant enough to think that my view is absolutely the way it is. Believing that I am the only one responsible for my life and the direction of it is what gets me through the day, but I have no guarantees that I, or anyone who is religious is right. I know what gets me through the day, I don't judge anyone for what gets them through the day. Some of us could be right, all of us could be right, or all of us could be wrong. You're experience and beliefs are completely valid and just because mine are different, does not mean that anyone who is religious is wrong.

The video quality is amazing!!! I’m throwing lots of love to you for upgrading And continuing to spread your story!!

You two are so good together

You did such a great job with this interview, Amanda! I loved the whole conversation! All of you are amazing ♥️

I respect the way you guys are wanting to give your kids all the perspectives and let them critically think. I do teach my children the principles of my faith but I repeatedly tell them, especially as they get older that I don't want them to believe because I said so or because of just fear of hell but because they see all the 'answers' the world presents to us and all the evidence there and want them to choose what they see as the truth. We don't always 'feel' good about all aspects of truth but I do think we will have peace with truth. It's hard to explain. Just my humble opinion though. Thanks for what you do!

I definitely love your honesty and I can't recommend your content enough ❤❤❤❤ I would love more colabs from all three of you 🔥

Magic is science and technology!

Love this show

I want to know more about the Garments can you all talk more about them! I work in Hospice and have a had someone who wore garments and wanted to know in depth about them please!!!

Fantastic chemistry!

At my place of worship, I grew up around ALL types of people- black, white, Asian, East Indian, Hispanic, gay, straight, transgender, poor, rich, Democrat, Republican, all people. I was raised that everyone is Buddha and should be treated like one. Human life is the most precious and through dialogue is how we connect with others. I was taught that we all are connected Ted throughout the world wether we see it or not. The ultimate goal is to have World Peace through dialogue and respect for others. I never understood as I got older why people had an issue with the LBGTQA+ community because they are human just like the rest of us. Even the person we have as the president of our organization isn’t seen as better than you or I. He is our mentor yes, leading be example but he is on the same level as the rest of us. My Buddhist faith has taught me to respect other faiths and to learn about them before I judge and to seek heart to heart dialogue with others. It’s through these dialogues we can make connections. My parents encouraged me to find the faith belief system that worked for me. We were never made to have to practice just cause my parents did. We all chose to follow suite on our own.

Absolutely love you two together ❤❤

Thanks for your content

Shelise and I have very different experiences, but I think that we are similar in that our devotion and our religious knowledge was our undoing. I also kept finding moments when people who were supposed to know more than me and be more spiritual than me either chose not to follow the teachings or didn't know them. It was so frustrating!!

17:54 I got the chewed gum analogy growing up and I honestly could only ever mentally imagine that scene from the beginning of the first princess diaries movie… and if you haven’t seen Princess Diaries, google Princess Diaries bubblegum kiss scene

Love you two together! ❤️

I believe we live on purgatory and we keep coming back till we learn what we need too. When my daughter was 3 she told me that the arch angle Daniel gave her to me because I would protect her in this life.