Finland and Sweden consider NATO membership 

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Not people of Sweden and Finland, but their ruling class that decides what to think and what to do, Shirvan.

@@FoxtrotYouniform why?

@Tyler Hopkins you're posting a ton of pro-collectivist falsifications all over the place, and I'm sure your stamina for spewing misinformation is higher than mine for correcting you, but your understanding of capitalism is obviously derived from 'modified facts' given to you from those who hate the distributed ownership of capital model. Prices in a capitalist system are dynamic and constantly fluctuating based off of how willing users and producers are to obtain an item at a given price. Nobody 'sets' prices in capitalism, and arguments trying to crowbar 'price setting' into capitalism betray their central-ownership-of-capital origins. Ie, you full of it and don't know what you're talking about, you just a commaboo.

I have a feeling that i will experience war in my lifetime

As a Finn, I take that as a compliment.

That's bloody brilliant

I concur

Indeed! Brave fins, be brave.

Putin is the Night king 🤣🤣🤣🤣

They would end up in a big sweat. 🙂

NATO could use more sauna resources.

@@CollieJenn They will build High tech saunas to Power up their stamina and strength and Level up more quickly

😂

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Russia already break guarantees it give to Ukraine, alongside no border disputes agreement after WW2. Previous agreement work on assumption that until now Russia didn't break its word. So Finland and Sweden have no reason to believe Fuhrer Putin anymore and can enter NATO purely on fact that Russia break his word.

as Ukrainian i bet better be member of NATO.

They were 100% considering it but they have not joined due to their nations being right between the two alliance fronts. Essentially if they join either Alliance and a war breaks out their country will suffer a lot of damage. Remaining neutral is their best option sadly. That being said NATO would protect them from Russian invasion but given their geographical location NATO would understand them not officially joining NATO even when their cultures and views align perfectly with that of NATO.

kekw rip them too xd

@@dislikecounter6392 It is why they weren't in NATO now. Plus fact that Finland was created as part of agreement with USRR. But there is one difference now. Completely illegal attack on Ukraine! In this context they would still be better of in NATO, then Putin randomly deciding to invite them next for lolz. Honestly what we see now is almost like clastic case of Putin being hit by dementia (he is 70's after all) as his actions lost any logical coherency.

In my opinion, Russia threatens Ukraine with invasion, because for a century the two countries shared the same interests and had the main targets, however after Ukraine’s perspectives changed, Russia did not want to let go of Ukraine, as Russia fears Ukraine will follow the path of the Baltic states and join the EU and then NATO, posing a threat to national security as yet another NATO state would be sharing a border with Russia. The biggest leverage that Russia has in Ukraine is its large Russian and russian speaking population, a large number of whom view Russia in a favourable manner, and wish for Ukraine to continue cooperation with Russia. Sweden and Finland on the other hand, do not have large Russian populations, and because of their neutral policies, the two have not had major disputes with Russia in post war times, therefore being in mutual benefit with each other, where the Soviets and now Russians were pleased that two big countries with strong militaries are not a part of a hostile cooperation, and Sweden with Finland were pleased that a superpower that is at their border, did not exercise nor flex its military capabilities against them. Therefore in my opinion I do not think that Russia poses threat to Sweden nor to Finland, as long as they stay neutral.

No we will never join Nato.

@@creepwood77 you don't know how nato works do you?

Agreed, from right next door. Also there is the closer ties with the Baltics and the knowledge that we did not prevent the USSR occupation and decimation of them in 45 onwards

@@epampoefmkfkefpeao4291 Estonia has already suffered hybrid warfare, and has a large Russian speaking/passport holding population (even LV and LT as well). The language used to justify Crimea applies just as well in the Baltics. So, Russian sabre rattling combined with previous experience makes the Baltics very keen to have more assistance from NATO. Russia is the reason the Baltics joined in the first place - same logic as Ukraine now. Then there's Poland, and that nuclear armed military mini-state behind the lines, in the form of Kaliningrad.

Has Finland retaken second largest city?

How many refugees were there after the winter war and how did Finland handle them?

Yes, nor were they Axis allies, they were simply co belligerents. There was no military integration or coordination with German forces. They lost Vipura in the Winter War, and the Petsamo region later in 1944.

@@jagatdave No. Viipuri is still a part of Russia and a relatively small city nowadays.

@@jagatdave Finland retook it in 1941 and lost it again 1944 during the war

You put it in to words so perfect. I can't think of a better way to describe it.

Maybe Russia should ask itself why Mexico and Canada don’t need to be in an alliance to protect themselves from America, but Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Finland and Georgia all have either joined or want to join NATO. Nobody wants to be in Russia’s sphere of influence because Russia is a dying nation with a shitty government and a low standard of living.

@@bubastis6306 - Maybe not Russia, but with China in another 10 years - Mexico, Latin America & Carribean might swing that way. And that wouldn't look good at all. Russia is firmly in that alliance. Being an Indian, its extremely dangerous for us too. But this Biden administration doesn't really know who its real adversary is! & this sabre-rattling with Russia makes me all the more convinced that he's compromised to CCP!

@@JaiD0427 Mexico is incredibly unlikely to join any alliance against the United states due to proximity and there be no strategic benefit for Mexico if they joined such an alliance. Cuba is a more likely option though, especially if you consider the past anti-american alliances they were involved in. I still doubt your theory of Biden being compromised to the CCP.

@@JaiD0427 My confidence in Biden is limited but this whole situation with Russia is in no way an indication of Biden being compromised. Russia is also a threat to American interests.

Makes sense. If Russian tanks start rolling in they won't magically stop at the Finnish border.

Yes it is even the official stance of both countries

@@creo4033 No it is not. Can you prove it ?

Kinda cute.

@@AnonNomad bffs

I believe Putin would use nukes..

@@cjperry2731 No, then he's in the fight with Nato. Then nukes will be fired back. He might nuke a non-nato place but he does not wish to die, nor the end of the world.

Putin might be desperate enough to escalate further by deploying low-yield tactical nukes to end the Ukrainian War quickly and messily. Then he would set his sights up north. Obviously, the reality would be much more different and volatile, but frantic strong often abandon foresight.

@@cjperry2731 Unlikely.... not only does it have a very high chance of causing nuclear return fire from USA and Europe but seing how close both Finnland and Sweden are to Europe... the very launch of the missile is likely going to cause an savage reaction. Missiles are fast.... if it would be aimed at berlin instead of stockholm... that is mere minutes at best of difference... or in english.... there is a high chance that such a missile will be treated like one aimed at NATO..... all bets are off and while Putin has increasingly little to loose.... I dont think that many of his subordinates are willing to risk having their life ended in a mushroom cloud.

@@cjperry2731 Putin may be feeling suicidal, but I doubt very much the rest of Russia is

Putin's Russia: "FUCK EVERYONE! ESPECIALLY UKRAINE!!!" Also Putin's Russia: "WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE ME??? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

How did they threatened finland and sweden. Its tge narrative of the western media. They have not fought or grabbed these countries territories after collapse of USSR. Its just the media rhetoric from neocorns

@@binusd9817 By placing 100k troops right next to the capital of a country neighboring Russia. Thats basically a threat to everyone bordering Russia too. Russia Acts like a chimp throwing a tantrum and then doesn´t understand when people react to this.

That's the thing. Pro-Nato among Sweden was pretty low over the years and we're seeing a steady increase as Putin act the way he does. Nato is interested in Sweden primarily because of Gotland. You essentially get an unsickable carrier in the middle of the Baltic Sea.

@@francogiobbimontesanti3826 This hardly warrants media outlets throwing words like "invasion" for things that did not happen. I am bombarded with invasion headlines only to find out that there is no invasion happening, and this has been going on for days now. The fearmongering works quite well I would say. I try to ignore for a sec the names of the countries, if there was an ongoing conflict in country A, right next to the border with country B, country B would definitely always have their forces moved close to said border, otherwise they are really dumb leaving themselves exposed to a conflict spilling over onto their territory. I am hopeful that the actual moves on all sides will not reflect the emotional overreactions in the media headlines. When I read statements from officials, it does not really seem like tantrums from chimps, but like a very calculated power struggle with a complicated background. When I read the media, I see sensationalism.

Tack!

Tänkte samma

Finland is the one not cutting its spending

@@jenspersson8321 har alltid varit lite delad i det där med Nato. Men en nordisk försvarsallians kanske vore nått

@@JustAboutToEat jag gillar en lokal lösning, usa kommer att ha fullt upp i andra delar av världen om bajset skulle träffa en proverbiala jet motorn

Yeah, Sweden joined the anti-Napoleon side to get Finland back, but then couldn't when Russia joined the anti-Napoleon side, so they got Norway instead.

You okay Napoleon? If you're sick you should go home and rest

@@EnteiIsDoge Get that PCR quickly Napoleon...

@@Carewolf That was absolutely right and all wrong at the same time. They got Norway from Denmark because they helped beat Napoleon. The Danes weren't so lucky. Greetings from Norway 👍

@@Carewolf No, it was to get Norway. At least what the king wanted.

Tack! Detsamma

I love this comment.

Kiitos samoin! Pohjoista varten! (Finnish is so diffrent to the rest of the nordic languages makes me feel like an outsider lol)

Och Estland! ;)

@Limon Cello Finland resisted USSR alone. Sweden almost defeated Holy Roman Empire AND Russia during Carolinean era. Don't underestimate us. We are not fucking cowards. Look at US, top notch Weapons, lost them to ISIS and Taliban. You need warrior spirit.

Epic when Finland defeated Russia and the USA in Sochi. Most satisfying bronze medal ever. Sweden managed to beat Finland. Canada defeated Sweden.

Quality over quantity

@@stupifyingstupedity2112 I saw some years ago some statistics about the amount of licensed or registered hockey players in different (hockey) playing countries and after seeing that, the saying "quality over quantity" indeed is true when talking about Finland, Slovakia, Sweden and Czech Republic. The number of licensed players in the US and Russia was just overwhelming compared with countries I mentioned above.

Love from sweden you are great at hockey though every year

Lol, growing up in l.a., I'm a Kings fan and Jari Kurri fan

They should enforce armed neutrality. In my opinion It's the best option for them

Joining Nato is probably stupid, it will just piss off Russia and make them more likely to invade Finland and Sweden as well. And Nato won't do shit to help us anyway, they are too busy fighting "white supremacy" or something.

@@atnfn russia will invade no one.

@@vaidasspu Russia already invaded Ukraine and even annexed part of it.

Ya? How controlled are they by ✡ ish colonists?

Big busty goth gf 😩

@@ls200076 ayo

What do you make up of all the rising crime waves seen in Sweden since 2016

And there was an explosion at an electricity central two days ago, and tonight there were one drone spotted above the nuclear plant Forsmark, and two "objects" flew above Ringhals and Oskarshamn at the same time

Boy you should join NATO

Nice

@master mariner And that's even with Danish and Norwegian NATO members, drilling with non-NATO Sweden and Finland. We have always had close cooperation through the Nordic Council.

Love to Finland from Sweden!

Why should Sweden join? They are already in the EU and so they have already an even stronger alliance (Art. 42 Paragraph 7 TEU)

@@Waxeler Art. 42 is far from as strong defensive alliance, the EU countries are only obligated "send aid" but what kind and how much is not specified. Its not like NATO' Art. 5 that says "attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies."

not so much in winter.

I had the exact opposite reaction.

It looks void and barren

@@malithaw love my scandinavia nature, best in the world

@@ampeerprime421 even more in the winter. it's so pretty when the snow is covering everything

After all Russia made such a good case

Let's not talk about the "color revolution" promoted by the west at the russian borders ... Let's not talk about NATO coming at russian borders breaking previous agreement ...

@@philippevermeire3674 Please don't pretend great powers don't do anything within their power to strengthen their own position... You try to argue Russian aggression is justified because the US influenced Russia's neighboring countries? What is Russia Today and Sputnik other than propaganda operations...

O yes poor innocent nato just casualy bombing people from morroco to iran

@@philippevermeire3674 there was no agreement. If you can find a signed treaty I'll retract. Of the two entities, which one has continued to buzz other nations' airspace with nuclear capable bombers on a monthly rotation? Of the two, which has illegally annexed another nations territory on two occasions? Of the two, which has deployed chemical weapons for political assassinations and killed innocent civilians in the process? Of the two, which one continues to conduct cyber attacks on a near monthly basis? For a nation which claims it is such a victim like Russia, it has quite a history of provoking those it sees as adversaries.

I couldn't have said it better.

Are you from Ukraine?

You are correct, however if we look far back enough, we see NATO prodding Russia into these actions by encroaching in. The tensions in Crimea and with Ukraine are related to this. If Russia does not act seemingly to take military measures to prevent NATO becoming a closer neighbor through possibly Ukraine, then it will make Russia seem weak and Putin needs to look strong or he will lose support of the elite. NATO knows this and has created an intricate game where no matter the choice, they will have a victory. If Russia does nothing, Ukraine will probably go with NATO. On the other hand as a consequence of Russia showing force, this will push Finland and Sweden into NATO out of insecurities. For world peace, the best option could be that Putin would be willing to give up his personal status and pride and opt a strategy of no military provocation which would be understood as weakness by the Russian elite. This would give less opportunity for NATO to try provoke Russia into a conflict that creates the feedback loop of further NATO integration. However the Russian elite would then seek a strong replacement to Putin, and this could go a very bad way with someone who is less diplomatic taking the place.

Lol nobody really wants to die so the United States fixes their economy but they love those checks from the American government, did you know NATO countries are forced to spend in American made weapons?

Its the West that forced Russia to act like it does today.

Makes you think on which side putin is on...lol

@@Reklawization I think he thought a direct threat would solidify Sweden and Finland's solidarity to not join NATO. It solidified their resolve, but the opposite of what Putin thought. Now Putin has threatened them. It's no longer ethereal. It's a REAL THREAT! People don't always run away from a bully. Some don't like being threatened and face it head on.

@@hifinsword excellent point👍🏼

We finns have long known, russia is dangerous and hostile neighbour... NATO-membership has been a "triggered mine" to step in, to give russia a reason to attack NATO, Ukraine just took that step first. Putin continues the same soviet imperialism they have driven for centuries, and NATO has been the big fish in that, a long time already. Is what this attack on Ukraine is about, it's just part of the actual bigger war. Need zoom out in timeline and world politics a bit to see this, but is pretty obvious.

indeed they are joining, thnaks putin

Agreed. The art world is not well known for its ethics.

Sure I trust a startup that takes my money to buy art that it claims is worth milliins of dollars. Sure! 🙈🙉🙊

I don’t like investment “opportunities” where they want your phone number.

@Tyler Hopkins so you have a rock mine everyone becomes a millionaire do you still sell your rocks for 1dollar?

Everyone becomes a millionaire? MMT relies on big capital capturing most of the wealth quickly, which means only stocks and property (ie. what wealthy people want) gets inflated. MMT has been happening for decades already in the US, only the money has been spent on the military instead of infrastructure and social spending.

Finland actually gave it's diplomatic autonomy to Sweden, meaning whatever Sweden does Finland will follow. During the Winter war, Sweden didn't goto war with the Soviet Union but they did do diplomacy for Finland and supply the Finns with weapons. Finland after all used to be under Swedish control and they're one of the only nations that seeks closer friendship with Sweden. Meaning that Finns in reality have a brotherhood bond with Swedes

@David Moore Norway better than Denmark worse than Sweden where Sweden is worse than Iceland Just kidding. Iceland then Norway then Sweden then Denmark

Except during hockey season. Then it turns into a bloodbath.

@@MrMorgan316 Not just weapons - a lot of Swedish volunteers as well.

@David Moore :D

As a Hungarian, I totally support you joining. I've heard somewhere that recent polls put NATO popularity at 53% in Finland. This could be a turning point in the region. Your Nordic Council reinforced inside the institution of NATO, creating a 'Northern Shield', unhindered by geography, against Russia.

Or we just don't join and Russia wont care about us. Remember, Russia just want a buffer between them and NATO because they're paranoid.

@@_loss_ That's partially true, but another part is that this is just a casus belli to relativize a conflict so Putin can remain in power. In recent years he tries to seem like a strong leader by achieving 'victories' outside so the Russians don't think about how their economy is stagnating. And what was that submarine thing near Stockholm?

@@sztallone415 it was an airplane... Disgusting...

@@sharknado623 i'm sorry what?

Stay neutral. Don't join the alliance of American military industrial complex of bombing countries for oil.

Lmao, I respect Finland with all my heart. But if the west keeps poking the bear in its face, I’m sure your guerrilla warfare will do nothing once the nukes start flying all over the world. That’s what’s going to happen if you don’t sit and negotiate with the country with the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, we will all die.

Guerrilla warfare is costly in civilian lives. Thats why western countries like Finland don’t do that anymore- they have lower value for dying for one’s nation. That is why Yugoslavia had more guerrilla fighters than in France and the lowlands.

German here. Got you, bro. Count on us.

@@dragonache705 Nukes not gonna fly - Russian elite are not going to nuke places where their villas are and where their children live....

It’s a damn shame that things got so far. I had at least somewhere deep down hoped Putin might one day be reasoned with and that the war in Ukraine had already seen its greatest extent. I was never more glad to be a citizen of a NATO member in my entire life than when the invasion began.

True there are holes all over, or should I say under the Finnish base rock full of spaces for people - not just in Helsinki which literally has a city under the city per say. Covid began, somehow there was enough medical supplies. Some say we are the prepper nation of Europe and that does not refer to private citizens - all though Finnish people are only second to the Swiz in number of private guns owned in Europe - for hunting obviously. Lol - even after the wars during the WWII, private people would take weapons and hide them 'just in case' though the war ended. I'd say that the slight mistrust towards the east lives on at least in some of us. There is too long a history of us Finns watching east and west run back and forth over our lands before our independence to not have. Frankly I don't think the written history knows a time when it has not been so.

The conflict didnt moved to the west, the donbass region never agreed the maidan revolution,get over it son, sooner or later they will be indepedant, even if the conflict last for more than 30 years

From what I gather Ukraines elections are a joke. The country is heavily corrupt... civilians are murdered by the government. Essentially Ukraine is as much of a shit hole as Russia.. just wanting to be its own shit hole... This is why NATO nations look down at Ukraine and we are not willing to put our lives on the line to defend your independence.

@@dislikecounter6392 Ukraine has been corrupt under Russian influence and occupation. That's why it's been trying to break the shackles of Russian ownership in order to join the free World and democratize itself.

If i remember correctly, finland was not easy for USSR

This has been Finland's strategy throughout the ages

_That_ and don't forget the Taliban-style guerilla warfare that will be waged in occupied areas until the Russian leave either due to Chechen-style hopelessness or international sanctions.

Even with no Nato there is no way that the majority of Eu countries wouldnt defend Finland/Sweden

The funny thing is that the Soviet Union expected to occupy Finland within three weeks back in 1939. When the Red Army marched into Finland Soviet media reported that in 10 days the Red Army would reach Helsinki. They were so confident they set up a new government for Finland at the fist city they had "liberated", Terijoki. Spoiler alert: The "Democratic Republic of Finland" never made it to Helsinki.

I think Swedish air forces faced about 75% reduction. For example, there were about 400 fighters in 1990s, but now there are less than 100 fighters now.

@@kurousagi8155 My number are way out of date because they are from an article talking about Swedish militery cuts after collapse of cccp.They don't represent Swedish military today. But even as Sweden has had grand plans to increse their military not alot has change and they keep missing every mile mark on their plans.

Russia experienced absolutely massive reduction as well. Soviet Union operated 11500 combat aircrafts, today's Russia between 1500-1600 combat aircrafts - 11-12% of Soviet force...

@@ijduadfs3690 Sweden made affordable fighter planes to address exactly that. Buy 2 Gripens for the price of a single F-35. And save all the Jobs in the industry on top of that.

@@Gunni1972 Finland just bought 64 f-35 for 74 million a piece. Grippens price was never revealed but Thailand has stated that sweden offered them gripens for 80 million a piece. So grippen is either more expensive or same price (depending how badly lockheed or saab want the sale) not half the price. Grippen being half the price is a very common myth along with f-35 having 30k for flying hour and grippen having 2-5k. Non supersonic A-10 warthog is 10+k an hour (depending on source and how they measure) supersonic plane cannot be cheaper than non supersonic. So grippen is at best half the price per hour which is pennies for any military that can buy either of these jets.

Depends when you ask: Roughly 50/50 mostly, but trending towards a yes, the more PUtin does. Also: Hyello :)

Well giving a bully what he wants in hopes of avoiding conflict also doesn't work. WW II taught us that. So the solution seems for Russia to stop behaving like a big ole N. Korea.

It's important to remember that though we know about them now, most of the entangling treaties that caused WW1 were not public knowledge, but a web of sometimes contradictory back room deals, and the war started ultimately because several of the nations very much wanted a war, not realizing they would end up with that war - much larger scale than desired, quickly divorced from much of the initiating goals. No one* in Europe wants war, on any scale. And the relationships are by and large out in the open, or fairly obvious. So though it seems related, the situation is vastly more stable today. Even if there is another damn fool thing in the Balkans, there's no gain for anyone outside the Balkans to escalate that to making Poland a killing field. Again.

@@michaelthomas5433 West is only doing disservice to themselves if they alienate Russia. Russia is forced to become more and more dependent on China, and that will strengthen China-Russia alliance long term.

@@teemuvesala9575 The alternative to alienating Putin aka Hitler 2.0 is to let him enslave other states. Anything less will be considered "alienation". This is also known as appeasement and didn't work so well with Nazi-Germany. With the current course, Russia is bound to become Chinas bitch anyways. Unless it actually joins hands with the rest of Europe. But modern Russian leaders would prefer it'd become a Chinese sattelite state.

@@Aggrobiscuit Ukraine already is European soil, because it is located firmly in Europe. Their political orientation is the decision of the Ukrainian people - no matter if they decide to join the European Union, the Eurasian Union - or stay independent. Unfortunately Putin can not see that and still has colonization era ideas about "Great powers" with "Spheres of interrest".

Yeah. Country which lost hughe swaths of territory yet remains largest landmass in the world, whines and bitches about 'encirclement'.

It's called containment

Check Caspianreport’s video on soviet borders. It’s good to understand the other side. Imagine if America lost the cold war and ceded California, and Russia started encroaching in all directions. You can complete the simile yourself.

@@alfatejpblind6498 Terrible comparison since Calis consider themselves Americans and would sooner butcher every Russian in sight than ever work with them. Calis hate Russia with leftist passions.

@@alfatejpblind6498 California? It'd be more like if the US had annexed all of Mexico, and then after the Cold War Mexico broke free and joined a defensive alliance with Russia to make sure it wouldn't come under American influence again. US of course wouldn't like that, but in that scenario I'd also just tell the US to get bent. Russia shouldn't have any claim to the former Soviet territories because they were never Russian in the first place, and they are full of people who aren't Russian.

The definition of victory really depends on war goals at this point. When the USSR grand offensive started towards the West, most countries were swallowed up by Soviet forces. Finland at that point aimed to stay independent, it was the only reasonable goal, seeing as how there was 0 chance to counter the over 100 times amount of tanks 1000 times more plains and less than 100 times the soldiers. It has been speculated to no end why Stalin didn't decide to fight all the way to Helsinki, but many likely scenarios involve Stalin's haste to take Berlin and turning a large battlefront into an ally in the war (the later war of Lapland against nazi Germany) was extremely beneficial in getting to Berlin before the allies. War in Finland might have tied down even ten divisions for even several months perhaps. Also the Allies were worried for the land grab that Soviet Union was exercising, and they put great pressure on the Soviet Union. One can argue that Finland lost, but it's completely plausible to say that they achieved their goals and won the defensive war. It turns into a debate about definition and *opinion.* Personally I see deterring the Soviet tide as a distinct victory.

@@lookingforsomething It cannot be denied that the Finns had a lucky outcome, in that regard. Makes me think of Egypt in the 1973 October War - lost the battle, but won the peace, that is, regained Sinai as a result of a treaty, even though the Egyptians had all but lost the war, when their 3rd Army was surrounded in the Suez region.

Winter was was a LOSS, we lost 10% of our population, our second biggest city and a port for Soviet forces employment. Yes the war's progression was miraculous but by the end we were DONE, a month or two more of war would have lead to a Communist puppet Finland.

Finland try to take a bit more than the lost territory in order to have a buffert and a more defensible border. If I remember correctly eastern Karelia as well as Kola. This would have given Finland a way more defendable border against Russia/USSR.

@@lookingforsomething "Personally I see deterring the Soviet tide as a distinct victory." So, did NATO lose in 1999 then?

That is one thing and the other is that art prices are on the rise BECAUSE of all the money printing. Rich people don't know where to spend it all. We're talking about a huge bubble here. And let's be honest, once it bursts, you will have nothing left except a doodle that a 5 year old could have done. That is contemporary art. If you want real art, go and look what people did from 1400 to 1900. This service sounds like a huge scam. You're giving them money for shares of something they might or might not sell. You are investing into a closed system with no way to get your money back except when other people enter the system. It's a pyramid scheme.

But now, us regular folks can participate too :)

@@yaldabaoth2 That would be a Ponzi scheme, not a Pyramid scheme. Anyways there's no clear demarcation between Ponzi schemes and other investments.

The money laundering that isn't being done through real estate and crypto, that is. 😂 No one should touch this scheme with a 10-foot stick, btw; it's got "cargo cult" written all over it.

Yea plus only finland has concription.

@@tapio83 That's no longer true, since Sweden actually reinstated a kind of conscription in 2018.

Defence spending decreased steadily as a % of gdp from 3 in 1975 to 1 in 2000 but is back up to 1.5

Sweden turned feministic on their Army and has totally destroyed it, since the 90's and forward. .

Yes, this was a significant faux pas in the video: poor research or propaganda?

Look at what he’s done with ireland. Right now ireland has a merge army, a Navy of nine patrol ships, and the only plane in the Irish air Corps with a jet engine is the Gulfstream the President and Taoiseach share. Meanwhile, Greece, a Nation with half of Ireland’s GDP has hundreds of tanks and warplanes, and a navy with a respectable number of Missile boats, corvettes, and frigates. Enter Vladimir Vladimirovich announcing the Russian Navy will be stage live fire exercises off the Irish coast, in Ireland’s EEZ. You could see the Irish government building up the Irish military and leaning closer towards the rest of Europe

@@johnlavery3433 this is also the reason why talks about uniting the EU to one big USA like country are starting to flair up. Every time an oustide treat happend in europe those talkes flaired up but now with the EU goverment it seems more real then ever, even the eu is building an army of its own...

If an attack does happen on ukraine , European complacency will disappear and European nations will start strengthening their military

At the end of WW2 allies should have continued into Moscow and we wouldn't have the issue we have today. Just saying.

@@dislikecounter6392 they didn't have the man power to do that tho....

History shows that neutrality is respected only if the country is not in a strategic location or if cost of invasion is too high without much if any benefit, any other case neutrality just means easy target

@@secretname4190 thats what russians would like u to think. then destabilize finland just like they did to ukraine,georgia and most recently kazakhstan.

@@QWERTY-gp8fd finland has been in good relations with russia and they don't even want our land bcs we are too much to take and we don't have any strategic locations or anything it would just be more land to defend against nato and bigger front finland doesn't have anything good that russia can use

Armed neutrality is still better than a bloody war

@@secretname4190 Russia has respected Finland because Finland kicked Russia in the nuts.

it toned down it military to make it more proffessional like before, better have some good, than all bad. cant just give gun to people anymore, you dont know who to trust. media = propaganda and Goebbler would be proud of todays "media". joining nato means joinging usa. usa is controlling nato by their shitty ww2 loans that are still to effect today.

Feminists has destroyed the Swedish Defence Forces .

Thats true in the 70s Sweden’ had a man power of 800,000 soldiers on stand by ready to mobilise in case of a potential war with Soviet.

@@FreedomFighter08 You get those numbers with 364 day mobilization. In reality Cold-War Sweden could muster 350 000 men in 30 days. Modern Sweden has a standing army of 25 000 ready to be mobilized in 48 hours. A highly mechanized force.

Military spending in % of GDP 1992 Sweden 2.4% - 2020 1.2% 1992 Finland 1.9% - 2020 1.5% 1992 Russia 4.4% - 2020 4.3% NATO Average 1.1% NATO recommendation 1.5%

The irony is that attacking regional status quo inevitably leads to aggression, like ukraine joining nato. If cuba became a Chinese military ally, US would have the same reaction

@@babla69420 "attacking regional status quo inevitably leads to aggression", correct, as russia has demonstrated... Does Euomaiden ring a bell? Do you remember the russian reaction by sending in military forces in 2014 into ukrain, resulting in a seperatist movement... Russian agression lead to an super predictable outcome: ukrain wants to join nato to defend themselves against further agression from their neighbour. Ukrain literally has a cuba on it's on territory...

@@babla69420 The US wouldn't care if cuba was a chinese ally, they only care if you set up nukes right off their shores. That is not the same as having NATO membership expanded.

NATO expansion precedes any Russian annexations. It's been happening regardless. They're simply done with putting up with it.

@@DivusMagus It kinda is, since NATO has nukes close to Russia's borders. Also, how about Cuba being a Chinese ally AND hosting Chinese military forces and missiles on it? Even if the missiles are non-nuclear. Still think the US wouldn't care?

😂😂 good one

Hahaha

Retake on the one from ways back in history when Finland was part of Sweden - which went something like this 'Sweden will fight to the last Finn'? Oh, but that's the same... lol. How some things seem to never change, even if other things do? lol

Ah, so Sweden and Finland are protected by an agreement with the US? Like the agreement the Kurds had, we all saw how the US kept their word on that one. Really trustworthy those Americans. Sure.

@@Nabium Well, Kurdistan is no Northern Europe and the average US President is no Donald J. Trump.

​@@LVArturs That's true, we here in Northern Europe are honered by American racism. And it doesn't matter which president did it, there was no uproar neither among the American public nor from the military about the strategical consequences of not being trustworthy. It might not have looked like it but Trump changed the relationship between Northern Europe for long term. It goes beyond the mere 4 years. We now know what kind of leaders the American people are capable of electing, so we know we're an ally because we have no better choice now, not because we have a mutual respect and trust in each other like it used to be.

@@Nabium Yeah, that's how it is. You've got Russia on your doorstep, be friends with them if you can. I think most countries want to be left alone. Fair enough. If that doesn't work, what then? I dare say you'll accept American help then, whether or not you are a member of NATO.

@@shorewall We were on friendly terms with Russia. We did some historic border deals, we had a good salmon export, we made a deal of border passports where anyone living close to the border on both sides can cross it without needing a visa. Things like that. But then they invaded Ukraine, and the relationship soured. Salmon export haulted forcing Norwegian manufacturers to look for new markets. It was a whole ordeal. But Norway is not worried about Russia for ourselves. We're worried for the arctic region in general as ice is melting and waterways are opening. We're worried about the three Baltics countries, which we have strong ties to, both historically and culturally but also a lot of our companies are invested there. And what more, just the general situation in Europe with things like Ukraine, Georgia and even Belarus. If Europe become unstable. We're a European country with European solidarity and responsibility, so we'll stand with our Europeans partners. But if this European partnership is based on American terms, it's going to be difficult. *TLDR on the following paragraphs:* as long as the US holds all power over nato agenda compared to Europe, bad decisions will be made(like human rights violation). Nato is nothing but an anti-Soviet remain which is too focused on Russia. With Turkey as a member, we're not a defender of democracy or freedom. And with a focus on the Atlantic, we miss stronger alliances with democracies across the world. /tldr The thing with nato is that the Europeans economies have to invest and develop their militaries more. Right now Europe is free-riding off of the US. That causes Europe to be a weak voice, and so we see the American way of doing things(which often violates human rights and international law compared to Western Europe) and the American agenda becomes too strong. And at the same time, the American public is paying an incredibly unfair price as the military spending of the US is unheard of. It's the US tax payers that has to pay for Europe's defense, it shouldn't be that way. If Nato is to work, it needs to be re-done completely. Nato is an anti-Soviet force which did not care about things like democracy or rights, it was just a defense deal. With military juntas like former Greece and fascist states like former Spain, everyone was welcome as long as they were against Soviet. What's more Nato is focused on the Atlantic, hence the name, but the world is getting smaller and we are heading towards a future where demoracy itself will come under heavy threats. By the 2040s we'll have begun depleteing our resources, from food to wood, minerals to oil, to such an extent that it's gonna inevitably lead to a major international crisis. Causing more immigration around the world, more wars, more famines. Then we have global warming which will add to that, with huge areas of now habital land slowly becomming unfit for human habitation. Worst might be in China where several hundreds of millions are going to have to relocate this century. Africa, Middle East and South Asia will face similar issues. We're heading for a turbulent century. In such troubling times ahead of us we need closer ties with democracies and sub-democracies like India, Malaysia, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and even South America to come together to show we value the principle of democracy and will defend it when-ever it's threatened in the world. Such an alliance would encourage continued democratic development elsewhere in the world, in hopes of joining a strong defense alliance. And we would need to distance ourself from Turkey. Turkey is in the alliance only because of strategic reasons, because we're scared of Russia. But the rhetoric, sanctions and state agreements that has been coming from Turkey the past 10 years has been over 50% more aligned with Moscow's policies than Washington's. So then why are they in nato? They have behaved like their own men in Syria, and attacked secular and more democratic forces just for control and power. They are growing increasingly authoritarian and less secular. They're refusing to admit the Armenian genocide, and they are continuing to discriminate minorities like the Kurds. And they are making ridiculous claims over marine borders towards another nato country. Not to mention they insulted another nato country back when they invaded Cyprus. An occupation they still hold, and which most Nato members considers illegal and against international laws. It's all just too much, having Turkey in our defence alliance is embarrasing.

Russians are not being taught of this part of the history, obviously. Barely any russian knows how they have been dying for nothing, they can't figure out they are still doing that up to this day. This country is full of shit.

@@fckudave1 Russians don't know about this part of history because it was stalin who sent ukrainians into finland in the first place, there were only a few russians in finland

they lost a tenth of their land but Vyborg was their second largest city at the time so the losses were more dramatic, although the russian war goal was to annex all of Finland so it was still a successful repel i guess for a small country like Finland

Given that Russian Objective was to Annex Finland into the USSR……the mere fact that the Russian ended up signing a deal with a still independent Finland……was a victory Even though they gave up territory

@@TheJalipa Who is more imperialist among NATO & Russia according to past history? Who has occupied other nations and have their bases? Who poses more threat to human peace and stability?

Iceman this is ofcourse true, But Caspian isn't entirely wrong either, we have maintained some level of military spending, and we've kept our arsenal updated. But we, like the rest of western Europe is ofcourse nowhere close to the 2% goal. And you are ofcourse correct that raising capabilities takes time, at least if you don't want to waste most of what you spend.

I suspect that in near future most of European countries would start reconsider they military politic. Putin proved to be madman and we know from history how giving those ground would end.

@marcopololl For the same reason almost everybody else in Europe did. "The USSR has fallen, Russia is in financial oblivion, so there's never goona be another great war in Europe again"... We did the exact same thing during the late interwar period too... what could possibly go wrong if we do it a second time?

@@Elldallan Strange isn't it? We're all starting to see the repetition here. A couple years ago, i was saying "I'm seeing a rise in authoritarian ideology, similar to the early 1900s." I still can't get over England...I assumed they still had a strong navy. I swear we've been here before! We all see what's potentially coming, and so you'd think we'd have a solution ready. Perhaps it's Complacency or perhaps it's just human nature to repeat the same mistakes many times before we learn.

@@snickle1980 Yeah, big meeting in Munich, I swear if sombody comes back waving a piece of paper and mumbling something about peace I'll fucking flip a table 😑

That’s right. You guys got rid of the conscription model yeah? Do you think it will return because of all of this?

@@Azrakoth1 It has returned (as of 2018), and the conscription now includes women.

@@Azrakoth1 It has returned, but not nearly as many people actually go through military service as they used to.

Sweden's most pressing threat is internal with the number of migrants the country has taken in. Good luck on becoming the minority in your own country

The only reason European (low/high) countries are able to cut military spending is because the USA stands at the gates ready to attack or counter. The US should not be spending as much as it does for European protection (Europe needs to protect itself). The US contributes 16%-18%, while other members contribute less than 2%. The US should be contributing the same as other members not more.

…As clearly stated around 11:00 in this video…

Yeah, but where does the west intentionally collapsing the Ukrainian govt come into play? How many people even know the reasons behind the current conflicts?

@@Nope_handlesaretrash Why don’t you tell us.

@@Nope_handlesaretrash Come on man, everybody knows Ukraine was Russia's backyard, and once Ukraine said enough, proxy russians started their thing.

In Finland it hasn't according to polls, the support for NATO is the exact same that it was 5 years ago, US also invades countries and destroys them so they and their alliance is not any different from what Russian politicians did to Ukraine, I will be so proud of our country if we can keep ourselves out of these games great powers play at the expence of civilians in many countries

Neigboring Russia really not fun Hi from Poland

I have never understood the notion of buffers. What happens when the buffer is erased like it was in the case when the baltic states belonged to Soviet union? You are right back in square one and the buffer did not protect. Buffers are like popping condoms, useless if not used correctly and often giving a false sense of security. Without the buffer, you have to be smart, vigilant and on your toes. We see throughout history how times of easy peace create leadership that does not know how to maintain peace. How would they, when life is easy and everything works? Tough times need solutions and this is why we see peace after every serious conflict, but then in time, that is forgotten and the cycle begins again.

@@jeffreyokun2355 With a good buffer zone you have time to buckle up, load your weapons, wait until the first strike looses strength on the flesh of your good allies and go fight the weakened enemy on foreign land, not on your own. Otherwise you're woken by bombs falling on your own head, and even if by some coincidence you're gloriously victorious, your infrastructure and economy is gloriously shifted back 40 years :(.

Buffers in a Nuclear age are silly... Russia claiming it wants buffer areas is also a lie, their existence can't be threatened when they have 5000 ballistic nukes.

As a Ukrainian I can relate

Unforutnately it's like putting a masterlock padlock on your shed. NATO is weak and won't do anything.

@@atnfn I mean if that's the case then Russia shouldn't give a shit. It would be nice to think no one would need it. In the long run I hope Russia and Europe and America can integrate more peacefully

@@Bhob138 Well if they do decide to invade that's probably exactly what they are thinking. Especially after Biden's afghanistan fiasco they probably think the US will run away as soon as they suffer any losses.

@@atnfn wrong

Russia to Ukraine over the garden fence ‘If I so much as hear you’ve even looked at a padlock in the store I swear I’ll burn your shed down!’

China might be next if it changes from communist to a true demoracy!

Because that’s never about security, it’s about ease of domination and conquest. Russia don’t even considers any state smaller than USA or China an equal. And what’s not an equal - that’s prey. The irony is that from economical , cultural and technological standpoint - country is not a giant , but a midget. For the doomed and corrupt state military aggression is the only way to project it’s influence on the world. Look at North Korea, but with more land and resources.

@@edwardpi9852 Have you seen any indication whatsoever that China is moving towards democracy..? Regardless, I agree that the Sino-Russian relations are tenuous at best.

@@KorvinCorax But Russia is about 80-90% less indebted than the Average NATO state. which means: they pay their bills. I am certain, they'll do the same when it comes to revenge. Russia has been sanctioned, since Jeltsin stepped down. Yet they still managed to Deliver Astronauts with food and equipment, when all other participants in the ISS program had no options anymore. You gotta give them credit for still supporting "Enemies" research. if you see them as such.

@@Gunni1972 Yes, because most of the NATO members are part of the global economy. They produce cars , electronics , airplanes, clothing, etc. And they actually produce things with added value via R&D and long time investments. Compare GDP of average NATO country to Russia. Russia doesn’t spend money on anything except vanity projects, army and weapons development. And makes money by selling its natural resources, with maybe up to 5% of the people that have some direct benefit from it. A lot of people in the country that exports natural gas, do not even have gas heating at home and need to use wood or coal just to get by. ISS collaboration that’s part of the many vanity projects for the corrupt few, they would never abandon it. Current Russia space program is plagued by nepotism and incompetence, and that’s saying something compared even with levels of it in the Soviet Union. At least back then they understand that they need people like Korolev at helm , even if they had political disagreements with party. Now it’s personal loyalty over objective science and common sense. Being a parasite from old soviet era technology with minor modifications, with 0 fundamental science or breakthrough projects behind it. Just a vanity program for masses. Having a weird amalgamation between church and state with priests blessing rockets , weapons and even “western” servers in data centers to “exercise demons” it’s just an icing on the cake of total degradation. But this is indeed golden age for Russia , the moment Europe and rest of the world will switch to renewable energy sources in 10-15 years from now. There will be no more free money for this house of cards…

Russia moving troops throughout its own lands should not of the west's concern. What would the americans say if the chinese built up military bases and moved troops to canada? The russians arent the "evil" here

@@evryatis9231 then Sweden and Finland joining NATO should not be of Russian concern, but it seems Putin does care about that, why?

@@evryatis9231 But it is, because Russia accepted the suvereign states of the former Soviet Empire. And now Russia has had second thoughts but the people in those countries have moved on and don't want to be a part of Putinland.

@@evryatis9231 It would be a different story if they actually didn’t annex any land which they did in 2014. So troop movements are seen as a hostile invasion now thanks to Russia’s previous actions.

@@notme943 Because it would allow NATO to put troops right to its doorstep, again with the example, what would the USA say if china built up military bases in canada?

....100k is half of Russias army? K then lol.

@@Cherdenkov If memory serves me correctly it's more like a 4th or 5th of the whole army. And that's just the standing army not touching any reserves.

Doesn't russia have 500-600,000 soldiers in the army? And they have a total of 1.2million people in their military

@@kyleterry5190 yeah, 500k active military personnel, ~300k at mandatory military service at any given moment and ~half of men aged 18-27 have served in the army and can be mobilised. I’d like to note though that an actual war would mark the end of the current regime. Putin’s power is stable because older people remember that during his first two terms, average salary grew 8x (2000-2010), standard of living rose even more significantly and people saw actual stability. Putin’s reign is dependent on those people, and those people’s sons are going to die en masse if there is ever a war, effectively ending his presidency. It’s pretty clear from the inside that there will not be a war as long as Putin is in his right mind

The original post reads like a NYTimes op-ed. Very narrow perspective devoid of historical and political context.

Sweden been active selling weapon/ weapon systems. Example those naval cannons and ammo for them. They well capaple even they cut costs in own military. Finland dont got much nowdays even in paper it look "big" . Finland war support is extremely low. And why is that, we lost many generations in last wars and it still effect Finland. Finland would not survive other war and people aint killing them self for NATO or any coalition. Thanks to EU this is what it is.

@@Medieval1897 finland has the largest artillery force in europe, and a huge reserve. Also studies show finland with the highest will to defend in europe percentage wise. But what does eu have to do with this? Or do you mean it like eu should combine/control all the eu armies or something?

@@gyderian9435 dude i live here, who have study our defence will? I live here and i know there would be struggle get all reserves fight for EU or NATO. War support is extremly low and go down alltime. New recruits dont do basic training anymore because not interested. This is why Finland coverment need keep these NATO and EUs own defence troop thinking alive, but its not going to happen. We might look "big" in paper, but thats bs. There is patriots who would fight for Finland and Finland alone. But if some other will draw us to war there would be struggle to rally troops.

Georgia was the aggressor, even UNO/UN have admitted it in 2010. and ukraine was a response to NATO.

@@SweatyFeetGirl so moving your own army in your own territory is agression?? But when Russia does it it is suddently okay?? Nice one, Russia invaded Ukraine despite promising that they will Respect their territory. You are just as trustworthy as people saying Lukashenko is a "democratic" leader

@@tomaszzalewski4541 Russia has never invaded ukraine. russia was in ukraine already for decades on crimea.

@@tomaszzalewski4541 But who am i talking to... guy living in western poland sucking the EU money 🤣

@@SweatyFeetGirl 🐸

The Ukrainian revolution that punted Putin's puppet.

the orange revolution and ongoing armed insurgency in the donbass region

For crimea case is an election right?

@@yokeenb2737 Only Kremlin propagandists claim that "election" was even close to democratic. It was purely a show, set up to lend the annexation a bit of a legitimate tint. You need to be either increbly naive, or just dedicated to supporting Putin's agenda, to swallow that turd.

@@stefanb6539 To be correct, there were observers even from the West who said the outcome was legitimate in terms of elections counted! The one thing they didn't agree was the choices offered... Now the real question is; Would an additional option have swayed the Crimeans as in; "Do you want to maintain the status quo under Ukraine?" We all know the answer to that question; The choice was OVERWHELMINGLY pro-Russian. Regardless of what the Tatars wanted! Boycotting the election shot them in the foot eternally!

I would think that NATO should not exist anymore in the future. Like everyone in the world should be part of it so really it would be a global army force. But for that to happen, everyone should be on the same page regarding politics and policies, rights and laws and rules and so forth. And i presume that for the most part of that, we all of the little people are on the same page. We just need to find a way to bring it to the top and also to own the required sacrifices needed. Because a lot of benefits are supported by abuses in some place else, hence sacrifice is required. Sacrifice of wealth and comfort i would presume.

@@somnorila9913 I think citizens of each country should decide whether they want to be in NATO or not. Not you.

@@pontius_official That's what i said. But Putin's Russia is against that as example the conditions that are being thrown these days under the reasoning that NATO is expanding supposedly in an aggressive way. But is not so, it is expanding because the people want to be part of it.

I would love for Russia to join NATO to isolate China.

@@Rishi123456789 thats never going to happen... unless........ lets say hypothetically russia was to fall because putin fucked up a war in ukraine. with a new gov, the possibility is technically there

Kinda, it's funny when they blame americans for everything when it were their own actions that made my country join.

@@JK-oq9cl Literally occupying them during Cold War?

@@JK-oq9cl Chechen wars, breaching of airspace, attacks on people researching Stalinist and Leninist crimes - a lot of Stuff, add to that the rethoric that the fall of USSR was the worst (actually the best) thing that ever happened and you have a bunch of hostile to each other nations

@@tomaszzalewski4541 Well as a Russian, I agree that the fall of the USSR was a step in the right direction but I wouldn't call it the "best thing". It was a political and humanitarian crisis for Russia.

@@MrKakibuy and were years of Stalin starving his people and sending them to Gulags better? USSR was bearly functioning when it was collapsing, despite the rethoric that Gorbachev destroyed it there was no realistic chance in hell that it would have survived. Sorry mate but for countries that BROKE away it's one of the greatest reasons to celebrate. And a lot of Russians do use rethoric that it's the worst thing ever and that they should take all of the Warsaw pact countries back. I literally talked with a Russian yesterday who said that he would be perfectly fine with this even if done by force against the wishes of those countries. The rethoric about baltic states also doesn't help.

@Myname Isunavailable Well worked splendidly for both concerned, right? :D Though eariler Rapallo Treaty worked even better :D

Ukraine made a treaty with Russia when they gave up their nukes.

@@Fuhrerjehova And then they decided "F u, we're going to join EU and NATO". This is basically like a red flag for a bull.

@@Arthur_Revan Ukrain is a sovereign state, they have the right to join whatever they want, Why talking about geopolitics it's always "oh russia needs that, russia is surrounded, russia needs a shell etc", well f* russia, EU needs a shell too, ukraine is sorrounded by russia, NATO needs baltic control. Russia has no rights upon other populations. Next time instead of holodomor, gulag and secret police, they better be a good ally and they will have their sphere maybe.

@@EUenjoyer Just let Russia be Russia. Mexico couldn't join in alliance with Rusia, Rusia will not let Ukraine join NATO. It's just to dangerous for Moscow.

Lukashenko is still in power and the protests in Belarus failes. One of my neighbours escaped from Belarus. Not fun being neighbour with Russia

@@tomaszzalewski4541 "escaped" hah. My uncle (from Brest, and he hates "the mustached roach" guts as he usually calls lukashenko) goes in and out freely, tours the world at will, but your neighbor is "escaped". Sooo deep in BS that neighbor's story is. My guess is that he got himself into something criminal, and now whitewashes his misdeeds getting "pity points" to himself.

He's either evil genius or bad supervillian - given he is telegraphing stuff now it looks like the latter, but what is he really up to? I suspect he's forcing an endgame because he realises that betting all-in on fossil, when your tundra is literally on fire, is a bit daft.

That’s usually what happens, if you think about it the only reason the UK and France became best friends is basically because of Germany

@@Aggrobiscuit NATO doesn't want any russian territories. Some countries do have complaints about russian territory (like Estonia), but generally speaking most of Russia's neighbours wish they could talk peacefully without a fear of conflict. This shouldn't be that difficult. Yet Russia...

"The Russians will not sit idly by, and watch their security dwindle.", says the commentator. Let's be serious, all this empty talk of Russia's security, is just a lie meant to hide the hideous face of Russia's imperialism. There is no serious threat from anyone to Russia's security, least of all from NATO & Co. Notice how he says "the Russians", as if the Russian people and their leadership were one and the same, a monolithic body. I doubt that the average Russian goes to bed at night fearing a foreign invasion, and is preparing for another Great Patriotic War. Embarrassing that people parrot Russia's sly propaganda.

@@teaCupkk What danger did Russia pose to the West and NATO after the end of the Cold War? Did Russia do anything agressive towards its neighbours before 2008 when NATO announced that it welcomes Georgia and Ukraine as its future members? How can there be no threat to Russian security from NATO when NATO is an official anti-russian alliance, that, for some reason, continued to exist after the end of the Cold War. Russian people and their leadership are not the same, you are right, however it is bold of you to assume that no Russian cares about Russia's core strategic interests being constantly undervalued and seen as non important. Furthermore, I doubt that an average European, Baltic or Ukranian citizen goes to bed at night fearing a foreign invasion either. The problem is that West refuses to respect Russia's pretty mild safety concerns and continues to push it closer to China, makes it more authoritarian and more poor, ultimately punishing it for pursing its national interests and blamin Russia for it.

@@RabbitShirak Yet NATO refuses to acknowledge the Russian safety concerns and continues to expand eastward. It would be great if you could remind everyone what threats or agressive moves Russia took prior to 2008, when NATO said it would expand into Ukraine and Georgia which obviuosly raised concerns among the Russian elites and gave the elites of those countries a false impression that they can now do whatever they want even if it irritates their big neighbour and stop respecting Russia's interests, because they would now be backed by the US and NATO (they weren't, spoiler alert)

Yeah, that's one way to look at it. But I don't think many would agree. Especially the five neutral members of the EU, and four in PESCO.

The EU-contract goes way further than the NATO contract.

@@monkeydank7842 If you forget any military action. Which is strange, because that is the most important factor when looking at neutrality. That's the freaking point, where do you stand in the case of war. Not trade, free movement, etc etc. That means nothing when the bullets start flying.

Russia will make life hell for them if they try to join NATO. That will not happen

@@stevencoardvenice Russia will make life hell in a western country? Then say goodbye to whats left of the Russian economy.

This is a good idea

Brilliant idea.

So now as Ukraine burns and fights for its life while Nato just watches from the sidelines because Ukraine is not a member, what do you think? Still the same opinion?

@@dudesweetpro i am definitely for joining NATO. Sure, we have a close military relationship to the US, UK and Norway but I'm not expecting them to come running when Russia comes knocking on our door unless we have a membership. We need to join asap

Yikes russia go full tyrant mode

@@dudesweetpro Sweden is fundamentally different from Ukraine in terms of our relationship and strategic value to Russia. It is impossible for them to try and do what they did in Ukraine, there is no land brigde between our countries. Let cooler heads prevail.

@@Midgert89 You do have a very strategic island in the Baltic Sea called Gotland Island. If Russia were to try and control Finland it would certainly be plausible that Russia would try to take this island. That said I do have doubts Russia would ever try to get mainland Sweden. Not for a really long time would they have the power to. I think its more important if they were to attack Finland or parts that you wouldn't have the war spill over being a member of Nato. Clearly Finland would be very hard to take but its not like they haven't tried before.

Vlad made it into "no step back". If he won't gain concessions he will lose face so status quo is not an option

Maybe Putler should stop invading his neighbors if he doesn't like volatile, losing situations. Russia is run by dickheads.

@@Cynthia_Blackraven_666 Can’t disagree with that

Russia has the means to bomb Sweden and Finland into the stone age. And they will.

😆😆😆😆No it's a "lose lose" for all the people who get incinerated by the Russian response.

Finland is very anti-Nato, never I have seen a poll were over 30% would have favored Nato. Even in the most right-conservative party the support is rarely over 50% since politically it is too risky to be in favor

@@finlanderxx I doubt those number are relevant anymore.

@@vilzupuupaa4680 No Finnish politician wants to risk tension and trade loss by joining a military alliance that would do NOTHING for Finland? What will Finland gain out of NATO membership? More trade?! No, because they are already part of the EU? Loss of a substantial trading partner? Definitely! So joining NATO would make sense from a "European" perspective, but devastating from a nationalist and economic perspective...

@@ABC-ABC1234 Joining NATO? Mate, Article 5 was invoked when 9/11 happened. Even bloody Norway joined against Afghanistan. Finland gets Article 5 as a benefit when joining NATO.

@@PlayerBRUV Great, they get to send their young to fight in American wars. Americans are awake at night fearing invasion when they're oceans away. Yet Finns keep themselves calm and confident in being able to handle their own defense, even with Russia as their neighbor.

Dang and nothing is done about it???

would you happen to know of an article that talks about this?

@@dustintacohands1107 because it's BS. Dude. Stop beliving the www will ya 😅

@@NotUnymous shhhh quiet never said I believed you little troll I’m trying to ask a question

No it's not BS. They can't publicly say that this is exactly what is happening because the government can only intervene when the law is clearly broken in some way. Look up airiston helmi satellite images if you want to see pictures from russian owned islands in the south western archipelago.

Perfectly said. Russia is a forest of nuclear weapons, and can vaporize any invasion at the push of a button. This is about putting the Soviet boy band back together.

The problem with NATO is that the US leads it. NATO without the US may not pose a threat to Russia, but NATO with the US puts American forces far closer to Russia than Russian forces are to the US. Your argument only holds water in terms of the reciprocal positions of Russia with Europe, not Russia with America. America's position is far superior to Russia's, which is unbalanced.

Or, put another way, you might have had a point had Canada and Mexico been Russian allies and hosting Russian military forces against the US. But they aren't. When tiny little Cuba did that, America flipped out lol! The US is far too secure compared to Russia.

@@ArawnOfAnnwn You're right that the US has an advantage vis-a-vis Russia with its deployments in Europe (especially nuclear). The problem is that if they pulled out, this would give Russia an unacceptable advantage vis-a-vis Europe. Russia deploying in the Americas (as they are threatening to do now) would trigger a huge response from the US, as you point out. All of this is hairsplitting however, since both powers have the capacity to completely annihilate the other. Russia and Europe may be at greater risk of decapitation, but know this and would retaliate in any scenario, so it matters little IMO.

Caspian Report is pro-Russia.

How exactly did Sweden "fail" the first wave of the pandemic?

@@RiwenX . Apologies for simply saying “failed”. That’s an oversimplification. All countries made mistakes. Sweden did a good job keeping schools open and maintaining a high quality of life. However, during the first wave of the pandemic, Sweden had the 6th highest deaths per capita. That could had been avoided. As usual, Sweden’s government didn’t do much to stop the virus. They were in denial until lots of people were infected. They didn’t know which part of the government was responsible. They didn’t know what actions were allowed by the constitution. The healtcare had virtually no storage of supplies like masks and stuff for the virus labs (where my wife used to work). Elderly care homes were not allowed to isolate individuals with dementia, so they could walk around and spread viruses. There was no quarantine for people entering the country from infected countries. Finland was very different. They had lots of supplies to handle a pandemic, the government made rapid decisions. I don’t agree with everything they did, and still their life expectancy is lower than Sweden. My point is that Finland is different from Sweden. Finland has learn from wars to always be prepared and to make decisions when necessary.

No natural disaster? The great famine in 1800s

@@yeast7485 Famine was handled by doing nothing. WW1 and WW2 were handled by doing nothing. Cold War was handled by doing nothing. Sweden was lucky and learnt to never act. Finland acted to break free from Russia 1917. Success! Finland acted to defend their territory from Russia 1939. It was surprisingly successful. When Soviet collapsed, Finland acted swiftly to join EU and adopt the Euro currency. When the pandemic struck, Finland acted. When Putin is increasingly aggressive, Finland’s parliament/leaders prepare for joining NATO.

@@magnushem8734 Finns are a different breed pragmatic to the bone and quite funny in their own way

;) Also 'what happened to that sub'

They may even tell us where the faceless employees come from and where the exits are (you guys know the joke).

@@spaceman9599 I don't think they know you are referring to the Kursk submarine

Thankyou

All by design caspian subtley pushes govt narrative

@@theyredistortingyourrhythm130 no

Sweden is not a superpower, nor anything close to one. At best, it's a regional power, if not a very strong one. It has an adequate force structure and size for its population, and does very well in military exports, but it has a low population, and relatively speaking, limited ability to assert power.

@@w0mblemania You really take things literally. If you want it more nuanced, just look up how many countries could muster a force of 400,000 armed men in, say, 1980. THEN you'll get it 👍

UDSSR??

@@-_marvin_- If you don't want things to be taken literally, then don't make claims in writing. I "get" that you were engaging in a bit of hyperbole. But the simple reality is that Sweden is NOT a superpower, is nothing like a superpower, and has no capability to be a superpower in the foreseeable future. Try engaging with facts, not patriotism.

@@w0mblemania 100 000 trained soldiers would easily beat 1mill office-pigs any day of the week. Atleast try to understand the meaning of the word "power". Money is not "power", no matter how super you deem it to be.

defensive?! are you kidding?

@@olhi8445 well it weren't members on NATO who have seized crimea...

@@olhi8445 What has NATO done to Russia? Expose its out dated authoritarian rule ?

Russia has never in its modern history threatened Sweden and there's no reason why it would do so now. Odd that Sweden would want to join NATO. The risk for Russia is that NATO is becoming seen as being as being simply the EU's military arm.

😂 A defensive alliance??? My friend, NATO members have bombed and/or invaded more soverign countries in the last 30 years than Russia in the last 200. If NATO is defensive than Vladimir Putin is the freaking Dalai Lama!

You could count the US out on that. We would play it the same as Ukraine. Sanctions and such, but no boots on the ground.

The key reason would be to clarify nuke policy, if Russia nukes Latvia the UK nukes Russia, article 5 compels us to. While we probably should, I'm not sure if we would for a non-member, Sweden however is a great ally. Thinking about nukes though is mad, there is logic to use them if a third party gets hit, but using them could be the end of the world....

One thing to consider is Russia's desire to gain straight access to oceans like the Atlantic or the Pacific. Attacking Finland and Sweden would not help this, since NATO members Denmark and Norway are already blocking its access.

Does millions of colonizers account for nothing? The western economic system has been a disaster. After 50 years of communism and 6 years of total war, Poland is still Polish. Things didn't turn out so well for the Swedes.

@@majorhumbert676 What a joke, stop reading nazi conspiracy sites.

@@Theorimlig Not a joke though i think arabs will outnumber us swedes when the majority elders dies and we will be minority in our country

Best option is for them to not join NATO but makes sense for them joining since they are part of the EU and under a sphere

I don't think they intended their wording to imply anything. Could have worded it better for sure but I think accusing the content creators with "rewriting" from "Russian schoolbooks" to be a little much.

Yeah, the USSR first of all began to bomb civilian targets in Finland during the German attack. "In 1947, in the Paris treaty Finland was forced to cede territories to the Soviet Union only because the Soviets lied" - yeah, the allies didn't know anything, but if you told them, everything would be different :) If the Russians are rewriting history, at least they are doing it smartly.

Yea messing with yourself too much is not good

Idk what's up with our love for whataboutism and diverting blame (others nations also do this but obviously it doesn't make it right, that's the point). Cultural mystery to me. Probably leftover from Soviet time

Moronic take. Russians can do whatever they want in their border, so can Latvia or Finland, what don't want is a 3rd party in there, imagine Russian millitary/ nukes in Cuba yeah they won't be happy.

@@hendrikheim5665 Did America invade Cuba and take Guantanamo bay forcefully or did I miss the memo

@@hendrikheim5665 That already happened 60 years ago. Back then the Soviets were worried about US missiles in Turkey and that was their response. It almost started the war to end humanity. Now we are at it again... sigh.

@@djsmithification Looks like US never learn

Sweden also supported the Viet Cong so it is a stretch to suggest it was unofficially part of the west

Sweden is Neutral..As Social Demokrates says..They Only Help Islamist,,Fellow brother who Fight agains Capitalist.?? Still... Still..What a fck..WORLD Sees THIS?? Every Body See.?? You SUPPORT TERROR..With OUR TAX MONEY..And SEND OUR SOLDIERS TO FIGHT THAT YOU SUPPORT...AND YOU ASK WHY??? People leave you?? You Left People LONG ago..

All of the EU is ramping up arms production, as part of that organization you are not going to be alone. Nato is no more your friend than Russia.

Try to be rational. In what possible future setting would Russia invade either Finland or Sweden. You're buying into alarmist rhetoric which will only work to benefit special interest groups. Join NATO and it will be US arms manufacturers who get to expand their market. Sweden will torpedo itself internationally as a neutral, a reputation which has allowed Sweden to mediate in foreign conflicts while also inviting American influence into Sweden's defense politics as well as our foreign policy. Do you think Sweden will get a voice anywhere after joining NATO? We'll dance to the tune of American policy makers. While wishing to remain independent we will sign away that independence for security. Security over a threat that is not real.

@@glenglen6386 It makes perfect sense. Russia wants to control the Baltic sea so they can deny NATO a crucial staging ground to aid the Baltic members. That's only possible if they capture the Swedish island Gotland and surely much of the Finnish territory. In other words, if they want to invade the Baltics, they have to either invade or obliterate Finland or Sweden, or just make them surrender by a show of brute force. Ask yourself this, would a divided America really risk a nuclear war to save the Baltic nations when push comes to shove? Would the UK or France risk obliteration to save them? I don't think so. And if they can let Russia have the Baltic nations, who are NATO members, they would definately let Russia have its way with Finland and Sweden if nuclear war is the option (as they're not even members). That's why Putin is moving his weapons closer to the US and other nuclear powers (as to deter them from intervening in his upcoming blitzkrieg against non-nuclear countries).

@@antonkarlsson7664 You're only citing your own made up scenarios, not any reality that is likely right now nor in the future. Baseless alarmist hysteria. There is no Russian attack coming, not against scandinavia or the baltic countries.

@@glenglen6386 Just like there is no attack against Ukraine. Oh wait, it already happened 2014. An attack against the Baltics, Sweden or Finland is just as imaginary as a potential attack against Ukraine. If Putin is to realize his vision of an imperialist Russia with soviet-borders, he has to take the Baltics. There is nothing protecting the Baltic nations save empty words and promises from NATO. No nuclear power would risk annihilation to save the Baltics. At least not with the intense division within western powers today. Putin knows this. There is nothing stopping him.

@ Karl Andersson March into Moscow take back the city. No more problems!

@@edwardpi9852 Now that is a peace-provoking thought. If you are braindead.

@@Gunni1972 I like Russian thinking any country standing up for themselves is a threat. But if Russia attacks a country its partriotic. Very high in traditional morals.

@@Gunni1972 Russia very smart trying to attack Ukraine. But land of raising sun still wants its land back!

Sweden did confront Russian supremacy. Without Sweden confronting them they would've grown in even more power. However they checked Swedens power as well.

@@JK-oq9cl Ruski bot

@UCnP2pOuaRBtspKn59j9NEHg the current Ukrainian leadership is a direct result of Russia's aggressive foreign policy, also the Russian language is not banned anywhere in Ukraine. Zelensky gave part of his presidential address in Russian, and many members of the Rada speak Russian also.

@@JK-oq9cl Yes, but we are talking about official military neutrality. Ie NATO or not.

@@JK-oq9cl so if Russias neighbors don't prefere them Russia gets rights to attack and invade, LMAO. Spheres of influence are widened with economy not guns, but since Russias economy is shit they have to scare their neighbors into not aligning with others , pathetic.

I wonder what the results would look like if the poll was taken today?

@@dedbeet5845 results are in, two different polls released today. One is 51% pro NATO the other 49% pro NATO with 27% against in both polls. A momentous shift in how Swedes view the neutrality!

@@Pierre-Rambal_Cochet he will be stupid to invade Finland

@@Pierre-Rambal_Cochet Putin don't take risk like that.

@Peggy Gilespie Finland and Sweden are EU nations and if Russia actually attack against them it will be then clear that whole Europe is danger. It would lead total escalation and ww3.

Russia should join the EU and NATO.

I don't think Canadians can really make a good case for NATO given they are essentially Americans.