+SmackledorfMcsween Cocksmclittleton Tinydickolas you refill it with a cooler of beer and a heated back pad, plus whatever game you guys are referencing
Mike's talking about an $1100 dollar fill station and I can't even afford to install a nitrous kit on my vehicle... and yet I still watched the entire video haha
isnt this retarded Imperial system retarded? because 11,475Kg is always 11,475Kg... no oz, no bullshit, no weird scales and even weirded conversions, because (e.g.) a king wanted to measure lenght, based on the distance between his nose and the end of his arm..... simple, decimal system based on physics! GO METRIC TODAY!
For the love of jebus secure your mother bottle to the wall. It's stoopidly easy to accidentally make a gas-cylinder-rocketship which will propel you into low earth orbit no problem. I know we all gotta go sometime, but the obituary would not make for good reading! Also, it's good practice to start & stop transfer pumps using the air regulator, not the isolation valve. Waaaay more control. Think of it as the difference between the footbrake & the E-brake (handbrake this side of the pond)
They could fly to NC and buy my '70 Nova and '87 Camaro for cheap and road trip them back to CA. Nova has been off the road since the mid-90's and the Camaro since the late 90's.
Love the new channel, but you gotta get a mic, it's tough to hear sometimes when the camera pans away from you. Also, 16oz in 1lb, 12oz is more like .75oz, so 24.75oz is actually full, not 24.12... So you have another couple oz of safety room there. Just a heads up. Also, the scale likely has a tare button, so you could zero it after you put your whole rig on there and measure in 10lbs of added gas.
Hey Mike... I don't think your bottle is full. You said before you opened the valves that the bottle on the scale was 16 pounds (with the hose on it), which means that the final weight should have been 26 lbs instead of 24.1. Also, check and see if the digital scale has a tare button on it. Same thing I do when working on HVAC systems; you put the refrigerant bottle on the scale, tare the scale to zero, then just add the 6 lbs (or whatever it is) to the system. It just shows -6 on the scale. Makes it much easier to reach your 10 lbs that way, instead of trying to remember specific numbers. ;)
My dad flew mustangs in WW2. The pilots kept a leg of womens hose with them at all times. On occasions you could get hold of a bottle of Coke... always hot. Just drop it in the hose and lower it into the fuel tank and out to dry 4 or 5 times. In a flash the av gas evaporation would cool the pop. Not cold but better than hot.
Can't wait to see the finished boat run. 711 cubic inch motor, twin turbos, and a hefty amount of spray to top it all off, should be a beast. Forgive me if my estimates are wrong, but that's probably around a 2000hp motor combo, no? That's including the spray of course.
Soon to come on the SloMo Guys channel..... Look to see what happens when we put one of Finnegan's nitrous bottle on our barbecue (being absurd, they havent done it so dont look).
Finnegan, you can put the empty bottle on the scale then zero the scale. It will then read the amount you add to the empty bottle, just making things a little simpler. So it would show 10 pounds when full instead of 24.1. (only works on the first fill from empty though)
Yes you need to know that for any fills if it has any liquid in it to begin with. But a relative measurement as described above might help, I dunno, depends on what you like to do. Like measuring two objects with a caliper. If you don't care about overall size, just the difference between each part, zero on one then read the relative measurement directly.
Seems like the last time I used my bottles was about 7 yrs ago .One bottle that filled by a guy in chatsworth saying something about nitrous plus blew my tires off but the bottle valve now has a felling like grit or something in it when I turn it.What should be done about it?Maybe oil it? I dont know unless get new valve.Anybody
Great video. My rocket needs 4 hybrid engines and I'm now considering using NOS instead of pure oxygen now that I know more about NOS. I appreciate the fun/detailed explanation!
Mike, what's better IYHO... a 69 Road Runner 383 w/a Hurst, Dana rear end, Ram Air, non-matching, totally molested, yada yada yada, or a bone stock Mercury Cyclone 390 low mi. for too much $$$? Just wonderin'.
The "physics" way seems to be the way to go... I mean, when you refill your mother bottle the refill station doesn't charge you for the fill 75 or 100 pounds, right? Just like filling a tank of gasoline... just pay for what you take, right? I mean, If I go in with a mother bottle that's 1/2 full they don't charge me for a 100% fill do they???
Finnegan.... I wana see you and Freiburger in a bare knuckle mma fight in your backyard.. enough with all the fun and games... get some mouth pieces and fight til some one gets KO'd now that I'd pay to see... whoever loses gets dragged out to the curb and is the true "ROADKILL"
LOL all you need to know about gas transfer is an understanding of vapor pressure, and have a deep freeze some accurate scales, cost, only the price of the scales, $30.00 ish assuming you already have a freezer.
Finnigan, this is one of your better videos. However, dude, I think your math is off. You never did any better with your new method. When you measured the weight of the bottle WITH THE FITTINGS AND HOSE you were 15.3 lbs. You stopped filling at 24.1 lbs. Shouldn't you fill to 25.3 lbs to fill a 10 lb bottle?? Just sayin'.As for some of the other comments about bottles not being able to be that old, we had an oxygen bottle at work last year that came from Nazi Germany during the war era - late 30's or early 40's. Seriously! It even had the old swastika logo on it! At some point in its life the swastika was modified to look like a windows logo. I wish I had've taken a pic of it.
Now that is what I call cooling a beer.... very cool demonstration Mike. I used to dive water filled caves, research for State of Florida. I filled my own dive tanks, O2, Helium, and Nitrogen. Had to supplement the Nitrogen with a filtered air compressor off a Jet APU I bought.Worked, charcoal filters for the 2 stage air compressor was expensive, but I always got the gas mix I needed.Always wondered, for drag racing applications weather you could combine O2 and Nitrous to get horse power. However, O2 does not like sparks or combustible environments. So containing the mix would be critical. But just think an enriched NosO2.
Cryogenic pump help/advice req: (please) The air powered NOS pump that gives the extra oomph to drain the "mother" tank & fill's the "donor" tank to it's rated capacity , appears to be a high pressure cryogenic pump. To keep NOS in liquid form it needs to be in the 900 to 1200 PSI range (pending on the outside ambient temperature) Nitrous Oxide has a relatively low melting point of -91 C compared to the Propane Gas (C3H8) -188 C that I want to use. No Butane contaminant in this mix. I've been looking for a similar compressed air powered , high cyclic rate , cryogenic pump that can maintain an inline pressure of ~450 PSI to keep Liquid Propane (C3H8) in Liquid form until it gets released into the top of my blower. The phase change from liquid to gas will act as an intercooler at WOT & short bursts will help keep the blower running at a cool temperature when in traffic. A separate electronic controlled throttle body will control the propane/air mixture flow , so that I don't go & run the boosted engine insanely rich. Propane & Petroleum are complimentary fuels that will mix together , provisions for Caster Oil (or similar) to be sprayed when the Propane gets released as it is a very "dry" fuel" & it isn't going to hurt if there is atomised Methanol getting sprayed in as well. High Pressure Fuel injectors or something that can accurately meter the flow of Liquid Propane seem to be available but am not 100% sure , but a suitable cryogenic pump for Propane has proven very elusive to find so far.
If any of you are itching for the next Roadkill, then slide over to Motor Trend On Demand, become a member, and watch. And ENJOY!!!!! It's one of their BEST EVER, hands down. It just became available over the weekend and I've watched it 3 times, and its only Monday. Cheers, Dave :--)
Ghetto fabulous way here. We use 15lb car bottles with a non-siphon inverted on a stand. Able to get every pound out of that mother with 15lb bottles. Save yourself the headache and find the non-siphon mother and 15lb car,, which ever way you choose to fill,,you'll thank me later. You loose about 4-5-6-7 lbs with a siphon tube,,because the tube does not go to the very bottom of the mother. VERY VERY important to purge to your specific pressure for your tune. A fresh car bottle for every pass also. 760ci Gene Fulton with 3 fogger and 1 punisher center tube, spraying 950-1100 hp depending.
Mike Finnigan the science guy! A public service announcement from FSM! WE CARE! Just curious, what's the difference between NO2 for automotive apps and medical grade NO2 for anesthesia?
I NEVER! Allow thread sealant to be anywhere near the leading threads on a fitting....you don't want any of that spooge to enter your N2O or fuel systems........coat it 2-3 threads back from leading end.....you'll have a much happier life when you follow this rule.
That's how I quick chill my beer too! another great video mike mad me get up and fill some.bottles myself and work on my camaro gotta wire up a mr.gasket fuel pump my mechanical is only giving me 3pounds and starving itself for fuel 383 stroker small block performer rpm heads lunati cam 750 cfm holley double pumper built 350 turbo trans 06 ss camaro rear end so I could go 4 wheel disks should be a quick grocery getter lol thanks too you and Dave for roadkill made me start turning wrenches for myself agin and not just for others now I got my dream car Almost done 85 iroc z28
Don't know if this was mentioned or not, didn't have the time to go through all the comments... I do commercial HVAC and this is a lot like transferring refrigerant. If you put your heater closer to the bottom, you'll heat the liquid which will give you better results. Also, if you keep your 10# bottle in the ice while filling, it will condense the vapor to liquid at full pressure. Be careful because this WILL over fill the bottle. Maybe weigh the large bottle and stop when it's 10# lighter. Your hanging scale may be accurate enough. Keeping the 10# bottle cold and large bottle warm, you WILL get all the liquid out even if the dip tube doesn't go all the way to the bottom... may be a little slow at that point though.
Why didn't you put the filter on when filling the bottle using the heat/ice method? Why risk getting trash into your bottle? The filter will have NO EFFECT on the gas transfer except for giving you a clean source. I would highly recommend using a full face shield when doing bottle fills.....your safety glasses aren't enough protection for that job. If you live in a hot area....take your big bottle outside into the heat of the day and let it warm with free solar energy......clean "green" N2O power!
That look's friggen scary. frost bite, frozen eye ball;s don;t point it at my pecker I need that. Finnegan I cringe when I see mother bottle;s or compressed cylinder's of any kind not being restrained. I like your video's but you should ad disclaimer's to your video;s, there are some lupee (sorry for the misspelling) copy cat's out there that will say I saw it on youtube and Oh-Oh . Anyway like your stuff keep it coming.
15:25 I have done the same thing using a liquid carbon dioxide fire extinguisher. Liquid CO2 is -70F unlike your -130F NOS, also not something to be completely careless with but it can be fun.
Several questions. From a guy who services air conditioners, is it necessary to purge the lines before filling the smaller bottle? or is the small amount of air in the lines of no consequence? Second, as an electrician, you might want to protect the circuit breaker panel from the metallic dust your saws throw off. A build up of conductive dust inside your breaker panel might not be a good idea for the long term health of your house. One of your earlier videos IIRC the chop saw was chucking sparks right at the panel. FWIW. Great video by the way. You do the "this is just me doing this" very well.
I have been Hot Rodding for 42 years. And everyone I have been around says don't put NOS on your car and don't buy a car that has been bottle fed . Now you have got a lot bigger motor than I have ever had and you feed it . Is it hard on motors or not. I have a 69 Camaro with a 383 stoker with all scat lower end and TRW forged 10.5 to 1 Pistons . If you get a chance let me know your reasoning on NOS . Still smoking-em at 58 Rod
Why don't you pull a vacuum on the bottle first with a HVAC vacuum pump. It will suck the NOS right in, and a vacuum pump will remove all the moisture and air from the bottle.
An ear infection kept Me from hearing what this guy said, but one should definitely take some Royal Jelly full of B vitamins if they plan to huff that much in at one. Just 300 little FDA approved Whip It Chargers is enough for Me, after that I get a head ache wound.
You don't need all this. A good scale, yes, proper hoses, fittings, yes, and a small chest freezer bought locally for a couple hundred bucks or so. If "mother" is at ambient room or summer OD temp, that's fine, just freeze the target bottle. Purge the hoses with "gas" not liquid. If this is inconvenient, apply an inline control valve inline the hose Mass in the freezer helps, IE create a hole to fit the target bottle, and fill the rest with water/ ice, remember, water expands when freezing. "In a previous life" I've transferred hundreds of pounds of R22/502/12 this way along with CO2. You might have to fill, then wait for the target to re-cool and "mother" to warm back up.
To the Dean of Adhesive Applications: Could you please tell me the part number & manufacturer of the "Teflon on a Stick" you use to get the better than Teflon Tape when joining new parts together in a kit ? Does the "Teflon on a Stick" you use in this tutorial , seal unions without leakage when applied to a newly cut 21st century male threads when attempting a similar union with female threads in pressure vessels manufactured in the mid to late 20th Century ? Or is there another version of "Teflon on a Stick" that is more suited to make a leak less union between fresh new threads & the older threads , cut into brass , stainless steel & whatever quality pressure vessels were made out of in the 1960's ? Part number & manufacturer please. I have the licences to perform & stamp pressure vessels except Scuba Tanks. Seems that the Teflon tape on my 15+ yr old pressure vessels does degrade over time when not being used , + the soap & hemp union method I learnt , is very labour intensive compared to your modern union methods...
is the scale in decimal places .....because 24lbs 12 oz should be 24.75 lbs..... then plus the hose and gauge add weight too ......I'm usally at 25.75 lbs all hooked up and I'll re weigh unhooked and it's usally 24.5lbs
I'm what you'd call a cheap ass....never used N.O.S but have seen guys do the torch the bottle trick, I'm no rocket scientist but gas+preasure +heat doesn't sound good. ...that system you have there seems like a great thing to have if you're playing with N.O.S
Do you ever need to purge air out? (like filling a new Propane bottle?) The last couple of pounds may be the limit of the siphon tube (may be an advantage of the upside down method.) I think for the water separator in the air line to work right, it needs to be pointed down. I like your videos. Hotrod garage edit's out too many details. It's like they are targeting people who think building cars is "cool", not people who are actually going to do the stuff they are showing. Your style is like you are explaining it to a buddy who needs to know how.
If I were filling the bottle, I would certainly use the safe method. However, when watching some other person, i.e. Finnegan, fill the bottle, I prefer them to use the " lose your arm " method, as I find it far more entertaining. Finnegan, old sport, would you please bear this in mind for future videos⁉️😃😃😃
Finnegan you do know that 24.175 lbs isn't the same as 24 lbs 12 oz right? 24 lbs 12 oz is 24.75 pounds so you could've kept filling the tanks and gotten more out of them.
Nice fill station. We used to fill scuba tanks for Nitrox the same 'old' method. used to pump those bad boys to 4000 lbs. (rated 3500) Used pressure gauges & had to do the math, percentage, etc for correct gas fill then use an O2 sensor to check.
The pump does not allow you to get more out of the mother bottle. The pump simply allows you to fill the 10# cylinder all the way to 10#. You will have 'waste' regardless of pumping or not. Once the liquid is low enough and evaporates to gas to fill the container you won't be able to pump anymore liquid. There will however be about 7-12 pounds of nitrous gas still left in the mother bottle. There is no way to get all the nitrous out through a pump. When the receiving cylinder is cold it will take more from the mother on gravity fill before the pump is necessary. Having a cold receiving bottle only means you have to use the pump less.
First thing, Just because that bottle has a 1956 test date does not mean it's old. Experienced, proven, stood the test of time. Not old. I know. Next, put that bottle in a rack or at least a cart or tie it off to the band saw or something. One sideways bump and there's going to be a torpedo dance in your shop. Those bottles get loose they do not take no for an answer. Last thing. Crack HP bottles a half turn is plenty. If something does go south you may pull out a win by closing the valve. The faster you can close it the faster you win.
Constructive criticism: Show some activity on your home page, i know it's a new show and all, just put some videos there so it doesn't look inactive. Love roadkill, and this new series of videos, nice to see some metal work tips. Coming from a wood work back ground, but loving cars, this is informative and entertaining. Keep up the good work.
Can't you just pull a Vacuum on the small bottle to draw the last bit from the big bottle. I've done it with LPG and with refrigerant quite a bit and it seems to work well. Either an air con vac pump or an old refrigeration pump with AN fittings soldered to the ports does the job.
Hay Mike I'm a hvac tech I bet you could you could get a full charge in that bottle if you pulled into a vacuum like when repairing a refrigeration system!? ... Just a random thought!
Yuengling also my favorite! We were using a dozen CO2 bottles per day at work and we ran across some 100 year old bottles and even some with swastikas stamped on them. www.millerwelds.com/resources/communities/mboard/forum/welding-discussions/9883-bottle-history?9638-Bottle-History=
i watched the episode with stubby bob.....my buddy has a truck exactly like it....but in stock form......gonna try to talk him into shortening it......i got it running for him like 7 yrs ago.....other than rebuilding the starter that thing fired right up and ran fantastically after sitting for 30-40yrs......he also got a 40 ford truck that he really wants to finish....his grandpas truck......but money holds things up ay......id love to see him cruising it through town one day.....he deserves it......he has some cool cars his grandpa had up in va sitting.....he got them after his grandpa passed......50 something model jeep truck that is cool as shit.........if i ever hit the lottery im gonna get all his cool cars n trucks in driving order......by the way......id like to see you guys do up a awd astro van and make it muscle.....lol....im a mobile mechanic in my town and my work van is an astro......lol....first van i have ever owned out of.....geez lost count of how many cars n trucks i have owned....lol...
When you used the pump your race bottle was not full. You filled to 24 lbs but you forgot to add the hose weight. You read out at empty weight at 15.3 lbs so you should have filled to 25.3 lbs to be full.The NOS pump is a great way to go but I will stick to the old school transfer method.
Use to work at a company where we filled bottle for the public. a few hundred a week mostly 1lb and 10lb bottles. We had a stand that lifted our big bottles and flipped it for us. We would still freeze the customers bottles a few min before filling with the NOS pump. The pumps wouldnt last but a few months, which NOS gave them to us so its not like we were out of the money but id be pissed if i paid that and it took a shit after 2-3 months
Great video Mike. Cylinder gas guy here, love the safety talk. When the cap is off, secure the tank to a wall. Those valves shear VERY easily if the fall over!
Is the FSM t-shirt and hat coming for sale on the same time at any point? I would like to get both but I live in Europe and I don't want to pay for shipping and taxes twice (we have to pay tax for shipping costs). It would be cool if you could order both at the same time.
why doesnt NOS use check valve filling like propane. forklift style connections. Im sure they probably wont be legal on the track to have forklift connections. but they are a lot safer in the bottle filling dept than just cracking the line loose and spraying it i everywhere. just make some filling adaptors. I say that cause i fill propane in my f1 with one way check connections and hardly any spray off during disconnect and less waste. as well as bare handed.
24.1 pounds is not full as you did not add 10 pounds to its dry empty weight, you needed 25.5 pounds since the hoses and such were on. math its not tricky...if you know what your doing. I bet if you dis connected the hoses when you were done and reweighed your "full" bottle you would find out that your short...almost a pound.
