@Speedruiner7213 Todays welcomed visitors to join our exercises: Brits, US Army, USMC, Swedes, Estonians, even French. We can only oogle the noncommitting attitude of Germans. Yeah, they are pacifist to fault after they had been kicked into teeth for over 75 years. Still, what reveals under all of it, is an Germany willing to lick Russian a*** every day and night. Do we need to buy weapons from country which is clearly on enemy camp? Finns buy most of the Rheinmetall 120mm tank gun ammo from Israel. Much reliable supplier than apologists Germany.
I agree with this. Learning layering is difficult for people with massive heatwaves and they are not ready for the winter condition. Also We have been developing our military almost 70 years so We definetly have better winter gear.
When comparing the camouflage and functionality in cold environment, OF COURSE our Finnish M05 gear is better in snow. Because it is designed exactly for the purpose. Generally speaking, the right personal gear is always a compromise. American troops are not expected to regularly operate in snowy terrain, at least not for long periods. Therefore it would not be practical to have those troops equipped with a full kit of the most fancy snow camo, which is only used very seldom, if at all. It is much better to have a relatively cheap, lightweight snow suit that can be packed in the backpack when not worn. You don't even have to wash it every week, not even every month. The more dirty it gets, the better camouflage in slush and dirty snow. Much more significant in cold enviroment is to know how to use your gear (no matter what kind of camo) in the right way. Covering the neck and head to prevent loss of heat, replacing wet socks with dry ones, and adding more layers when stationary, and removing layers for physical activity. Doing all these things too early rather than too late.
Thats because the army only has around two or three active arctic units and only one is in the regular army that being the 11th airborne division from alaska the other two are national guard units the soilders in the video are cavs from Germany
The Finnish winter camo seen in the video is a ''relatively cheap, lightweight snow suit that can be packed in the backpack when not worn''. Meant to just go over your normal gear. So many words but not much to say LOL
@@robottitopi8293 I just wanted to mention that the US snow suits are virtualy identical to Finnish ones used before M05. Funny thing is that AFAIK this is not an coincident.
Also its customary for many armies to use up older gear in training. Clothes do get worn and modern uniforms are far more than just bed sheet with fancy pattern on it, so if you got old stuff might just as well use it before you give them something more expensive.
This isn't an exactly fair comparison. 1/3 of the Finnish year is...winter. They have short Spring & Fall and long Winter's and Summers...so of course their winter gear is going to be superior to a Military that doesn't actually do a whole lot of winter training. I'd expect the Finns to be superior winter soldiers, just as I'd expect the Norwegians and Swedes to be... The real news of this is that US military is now training with the Finns on their own territory. I'd not expect a JournoList to understand the significance of that because we all know JournoList's are ignorant swine who only report what they are told to report and give an anti-US bias to anything they write.
Finnish camo is also specificly designed to work best in Finland. (They used AI to make the camo by providing it ton of pictures of Finnish nature). Americans tend to work more internationally. What ever they would try would never be as good as the local camo because every country is different.
Nothing wrong with few friendly jabs. I personally welcome U.S, British and onther international allies troops get proper winter training and we are happy to provide it.
As a Finn, I fully agree. This wasn't a fair comparison at all. These US troops probably wore skiis for the first time in their lives - and they did pretty good if you consider that. And that brother of ours who gave the show of Finns advancing on skiis.. well, he's experienced and I believe he was asked only to do a short sprint to show how it can be done. I can assure you, that's not the normal speed of our ski troops 😅 However, I think there are some things we can teach our new allies about arctic warfare - and I'm sure you'll have a lot you can teach us. After all, we've already have had mutual exercises for some time, so I think we both believe there are some things we can learn from each other.
I don't think that comparison is fair to Americans! They are not specifically equipped for arctic conditions. As long as there are warm clothes under that "Ku-Klux robe". The Finns will always fight in arctic conditions, that's why we have specially designed equipment for that. If someone from Arizona comes to practice arctic warfare for us, could we lend them our gear?
the Finns will make one hell of an Allie. we have already had one war game with them when our paratroops parachuted right in on top of their HQ and didnt know it. they came out of the woodwork like cockroaches and defeated our paratroopers
Yes, exactly! As a finn this polarisational talk seems pointless -we are at the same side here, are we? We show you the snow and you show us the rattle snakes and desert. Right? The point is to learn from each other, or why should we train together? Nice to have you here and we are happy to learn from you.
Im saying it tongue in cheek. I am a veteran and have trained with Finns and other forign nations. The finns were good guys and I learned a lot from them. Comparing Armies by gear alone is silly.@@hanna4942
This video is obviously a joke but Finns do have pretty damn good desert camo M04 tho. (and fun little fact, Finnish special forces use Multicam Tropical camo, for some reason it blends quite well in Finnish forests.)
Not really a fair comparison, these are troops in training compared to veterans. The Yanks did pretty well in harsh conditions back in 1944, during the Battle of the bulge, without any proper winter gear.
Every Finn that's currently training is there for the purpose of training. Even those used in commercials. Service is obligatory and every man serves. And after the service everyone goes back to their civilian life. Both of these are troops in training.
whadaya know, a kid from arizona who has only seen snow on the vhs copy of home alone can't ski? what horror, what shock... Still though, at least the layer over the gear is white and not, say, pink. some camo is better than no camo. turns out fighting in the desert against insurgents for like 30 years can leave your winter gear a bit lacking, but hey, they're trying and hopefully learning. up to the brass on top to get the boys the gear they need. 🙂
I had those coverall whites when i did my national service in Finland 30 years ago. What you need to know is that when it's not a fully covered white winter you have thin white coveralls to use over your regular clothing. Could you imagine how much you would stand out if you moved to an area with no snow cover? Picture this , snow lasts so much longer in the forest and when to travel into a town already melted.
Also, you cant compare US troops on skis to Finns. Ofcource we are way better, and half platoon could be towed behind Nasu or BV. Finns have skied from age around 5 to 6 years of age.
@kimmoj2570 British Marines and USMC are truly usefull and quite competent units for warfighting in high north, even depths of winter. They are contrary to Germans in last wars, where we had to rescue them repeatedly. First they didn't believe us telling you can drink from streams in Finnish wilderness. After that they preferred to die in foxholes in minus 30 centigrade, not understanding that you lit fires to warm. Your own troops enemy does not move a weather Finnair flight.
Finns trained 20th Mountain Army for 3 years. They got quite competent. Its just history know. We could care less of the russian apologists state of Germany. Germany is willing to cross its all alliances with west to satisfy Putins demands.
In case i haven't posted this here before. US snow camo looks a lot like what we used to have before the current ones and propably still have some in storage. Did US troops bring their own or maybe borrowed? Also, US snow camo may have been designed by ex-finnish officers after ww2.
Well us army looks like it looks however you had one member of the marine core who worn other winter overwhites in winter marpat. As for finns, well they live in such environment that needs winter camo😅
It's basically just a large poncho over greens. It's like they all pulled out white waterproofs. It is exactly what it says on the tin: they are using something temporary that works for its purpose and then isn't used again. It's nothing to compare, it's like the Finnish walking onto a US base in summer in white uniform.
Lets be real here the US military fights throughout the world in different environments and Finland is a self defense force which obviously deals with mainly winter and summer woodland conditions. I wonder how Finlands desert training is? Do they have tan commo uniforms and tan paint schemes on there vehicles hahahahah By the way the US military in Alaska always have huge winter warfare exercises including large Airborne exercises with all types of winter type vehicles like snow cats geared for combat. Plus the 10th Mountain Division of of FT. Drum,NY on the Canadian border are expert mountain/winter warfare unit
Finnland doesn't need desert camo becouse they don't go around invading other nations playing hero while doing so and arrest people like Julian Assagne who expose them. 🤷
I firmly believe in the military as an American and I for one, think the US and Finland should get better snow uniforms because JTF2 has the 💯 coolest, dopest, uniform you will EVER see and cannot be bested
we should sell them uniforms if havent already. propably will be nato standard winter gear for many countries. we all benefit from this and in future we all have best gears and so on^^ nice to american troops training with us.
Why did they show up? Maybe they are trying to learn... I have seen the marine core try. they try hard. skis? It does take em couple of decades to try. but they do try. This video is not even the most "fail-armyish" of the muricans trying to manage the arctic.. plainly put: they would just die due the elements ETC. There is a reason, the "murican" volenteers, were not put to the frontlines within the winterwar. Nowadays a fair number of em equal to a finnish conscript because they try. And thats a fair bit of trying in my books. Unless you have a homestead in Alaska... Do not think you can "hack it" here. all the best~
This is why you don't come knockin finnish doors during the winter. Summer is way different but it is really short. Finnish soldier is the only one in the world who can move faster in the snow than on plain summer plains.
Many of us soldiers have also never experienced combat, let alone winter combat. If you meant overall combat history of the country, then it's different. Our last war against russia was about 80 years ago
it is not. the AA has opted for a ceapo for as long as i have been alive... and I am a Finn. This is usuall superpowernation "spending cut thing.." they do not need the topshelf gear.. they will just make another "save private ryan" movie some years later and save a billion.
Having used both Finn and US kit here in Alaska I can tell you Finnish gear is far from the best. Its probably just as good as US kit but from item to item you can get junk and you can get something that works well..
Basic Finnish infantry kit is well quite basic, probably on par with US kits. Finnish winter kits are quite basic also. Thought now days quite many units get really modern kits. Buying and adding your own winter equipment makes huge difference.
Did you buy your "Finnish" gear on the net? Or actually in Finland? Net is Chinese copy BS. The gear we use in Finland is superb for winter warfare or even civilian outdoors working. Here in the Nordic we NEVER rely on internet BS shops but buy it directly from those who know what they are selling.
US troops, like Russians, use snow parka over other uniform. Finnish first line units use dedicated winter uniform which does not need extra layer on top if it. Ofcourse Finnish uniform is better, but it is also expensive, and limited on its usage.
Also the usage of the finnish snow camo is far from limited on it's usage seeing how winter is the longest season in finland lasting a third of the whole year
The usmc is alone 4x larger than the finnish armed forces are put together. The other thing marines r sent all over the world and their gear reflects that practice,believe me if the us was fighting in near arctic conditions almost year round their mainstay uniforms would reflect that
Obviously the Finnish Army is more experienced in their own weather conditions than foreigners. But don't forget that 50% of the Finnish arsenal and equipment is U.S. made.
@@rasmus5079 i want to know this figure aswell... last time i checkd that held true only on spending wise and thats just the F-35 and and the rocketlaunchers, missiles... what not.. its damn close....then again when majority of US peeps see Finnish F/A-18 they think its hand down legasy hornet.. when it is actually buit in here under a lisence.
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@@duhni4551 Oh I agree plain white isn’t the best. Guys will break up the white with some foliage patterns spray painted on. I couldn’t tell but definitely over layer is the way to go! Finnish gear seems to always be well made.
@@duhni4551 I only really know about your countries beauty and tough winter! But that is the best part about being allies, training together and learning from each others military.
Not true, Finland has an insanely big army, even bigger than that of the US (standing army) when all reservists are called up. They have a whooping 938,000 soldiers at full war-strength (active personel only 24,000 though)...
Don't forget the Finns had the same (all-white) camo at first in 1939. It seems like you don't live in a "winter country" because there's a reason why the Finns changed the pattern (it's easy to notice a fellow who wears all-white uniform because it doesn't "break" the human silhouette. That newer Finnish camo breaks the silhouette). You don't look people that close if you're in the battlefield (if you watch from the "normal" shooting distance, it's crucial to have a pattern which breaks the silhouette)
google finnish m05 winter and go look at the pictures most of them u barely see the soldier. plain white just gives u away. in winter forest there is always a little bit green color coming from the trees it always isn’t all just pure white
It aint camo that US has, just plain white. Mixed with snow and trees of course Finns got better camo and its also just notch darker than plain white so works in dark better too.
