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Fire Emblem Echoes is a Bad Game 

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In this video, I deliver a devastating and fatal critique of Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia. You will surely despise this game by the end of the video.
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@Astroniimous
@Astroniimous 3 месяца назад
this video was terrible. several times you talk over yourself & it sounds awful. most of your arguments were "this game is bad cuz i say so" while giving a basic overview of the game & its mechanics. 11/10 you'll find your groove, looking forward to your future work. :)
@mintx1720
@mintx1720 3 месяца назад
Nah it just lacks a good ol lunatic mode
@Tigademilus
@Tigademilus 2 месяца назад
That would make the game even worse, imagine those zombies with boosted stats + the absurd avoid rate increase special terrain grants in this game.
@mintx1720
@mintx1720 2 месяца назад
​@@Tigademilus Nah you just haven't sunk enough time into this game to understand its intricacies.
@GIR177
@GIR177 Месяц назад
​@@mintx1720Celica's route in its entirety gives me enough pause to ever wanna bother playing Echoes on a Lunatic/Maddening equivalent
@eldritch-rage
@eldritch-rage 3 месяца назад
I was not anticipating a loose retelling of the game's conflict in a well executed meta sense disguised as an epic takedown of a modern game but go off.
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
I had a lot of fun making that bit! Thanks for watching
@counterclockwiseemu8447
@counterclockwiseemu8447 3 месяца назад
I know right I loved that part
@blazingunicorn4035
@blazingunicorn4035 3 месяца назад
I’ve played Echoes exactly 3 times A first playthrough. Ended at an optional fight for a Res pot right before fighting Baby Grima A second playthrough more careful building units. Ended the same way and fuckin died A third on hard classic. I beat the shit outa baby Grima thanks to drugs and pitchforks
@We_BDT
@We_BDT 2 месяца назад
My last playthrough ended similarly to those first two. I got to the Baby Grima battle, but I lost instantly because Alm got 5% critted
@jimsface
@jimsface 3 месяца назад
I mean, all of this comes down to whether these things ruined the experience for you. For some it did, for others like me it didn’t. Neither makes it good or bad.
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
I think this is a reasonable take. Thanks for watching!
@rikustorm13
@rikustorm13 3 месяца назад
FE Echoes was my first FE not counting Heroes so I'm biased and can't argue without getting angry at you
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
No problem, thanks for the watch and I totally get it!
@superuniverse5974
@superuniverse5974 3 месяца назад
Well I knew that I would be coming into this video with a bias. Echoes is my favorite fire emblem game and I have replayed it many times. I admit that some of it's more unique mechanics are not for everybody. For example I think the more basic maps combined with the world map mechanics make it feel as if you are actually fighting a war. In conclusion I disagree with you but this is still a good video.
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Thanks for watching and your thoughtful comment. I definitely agree that the map design compliments the story/theme, even if I'm not a fan of the maps overall. I'm definitely exaggerating my opinion a bit in this video - there's room for reasonable disagreement about the quality of echoes :)
@marcoasturias8520
@marcoasturias8520 2 месяца назад
I like how this game made random encounters. In most games they're just there, but here there's mechanics that made more than just exp grinding. In dungeons, first you have to enter combat, which will have you in different starting positions depending on how the battle started. Moreover, while there's an option to escape battle, it doesn't activate until the third turn. Additionally, extra enemy squads join the battle based on proximity. All of this on top of the rather featureless generic maps make it so running around recklessly can lead to extremely punishing scenarios, scraping by just to survive three measly turns! In the overworld, enemy squads can move towards you and start battles, taking the first turn of combat. In some maps this can even lead to an unavoidable death that can't even be rewinded for! Now, punishing for idling by. This is also why maps are often b8g an featureless, since having to allocate additional squads of enemies could make "regular" maps rather cluttered and unfun... Or at least, a different kind of unfun. All of this is the world going against the player, which makes sense, since we are both fighting a war and entering literally godforsaken dungeons! And while map design could be better, it isn't detrimental to the experience they wanted, which, FE has tried to make again in the past and, honestly, ended up making messy and bland games for not committing like Gaiden and SoV.
@timothyn4699
@timothyn4699 3 месяца назад
yeah, glad they tried new things, but stuff like summoning/spawning ridiculous powered units had my head scratching. Perhaps it was to be true to the original. But, the voice acting was fantastic, credit where credit is due
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
From what I understand, Echoes is very faithful to Gaiden from a combat/map design perspective. If you look up a level from echoes, and look up that same level from gaiden, chances are you will see the exact same map in both games. And I also must concede that the voice acting was great!
@devino125
@devino125 2 месяца назад
Great vid man. I would say SoV has probably the best story of the 3ds FEs but i would also argue that its safe asf like its mostly just old school 90s anime type stuff theres nothing overly interesting here and i would argue its not as fleshed out as it should.I personally think i actually like 13 and 14s cast more the voice acting i think helps most of the cast cause without it i cant tell you too much about any of em cause theres not enough supoorts an the gameplay it gets rough fam lol theres cool ideas but man 🤣 be easy bro.
@shelgalm5795
@shelgalm5795 2 месяца назад
yeah so as a tactical rpg, this game kinda blows, i'll give you that. Complaining about grinding just 'cause the ennemies respawn on the world map is kinda silly, plus you get so little exp in optional encounter in my eyes. Yes some optionnal encounter are unavoidable but like idk i kinda like that feature. The rest of the criticism is valid but damn it i have fun playing that game. Simple mechanics and boring map design aren't a big deal for me. Plus hot take but i prefer having map design being consistently mediocre rather than switching between good maps and the ones that give me cancer. As a jrpg, its pretty damn good. Graphics, characters, worldbuilding, ost, voice acting it's very solid overall. As a remake, it's one of the ver best one in the industry. Not much of a compliment since the standart in that category is kinda low but oh well. Plus having the same map design as the original game is intentionnal. The director Kenta Nakanishi truly wanted to make a remake as faithfull as possible so of course the maps were gonna piss off tactical rpg fans. The legacy of the original is still intact and this is the ultimate reason why it's a 10/10 masterpiece.
@naotoueda2838
@naotoueda2838 2 месяца назад
I don't necessary agree with you, but it was funny the editing with the counterarguments.
@manamaster6
@manamaster6 3 месяца назад
I was loving this game, until the last fourth of the game became a slog. Regarding map design, I liked the one in the castle, using the entrance as a bottleneck and teleporting my units over the barrier.
@negarhythm
@negarhythm 2 месяца назад
(heard fire emblem echoes and got so excited i got nauseous) I think im taurning into a witch
@negarhythm
@negarhythm 2 месяца назад
in all seriousness i love echoes so much (it’s one of my current faves of all time actually) but this video was funny as hell and makes me feel vindicated for absolutely hating the random encounters in particular. i cackled at the part about alm and celica not saying sorry to each other
@lane3574
@lane3574 2 месяца назад
@@negarhythm Hey, glad you liked the video and thanks for your comment! I can totally see why people love this game, and I'm glad there are some points of agreement between us even if we disagree on other things. Love your vids on motifs in echoes btw!
@negarhythm
@negarhythm 2 месяца назад
@@lane3574OMG THANK YOU🥹🥹🥹
@themastertactician869
@themastertactician869 3 месяца назад
Was that ending supposed to be a troll, or were you being genuine?
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
I'm being goofy but it comes from a sincere place - while I'm not the biggest fan of Echoes, I also don't hate it, and I'm exaggerating the way I feel about it in this video. I also think that this game has a pretty good plot and I can understand why people love it so the ending is my way of saying sorry for being so harsh on this game lol
@sam7559
@sam7559 3 месяца назад
​@@lane3574didn't sound like that was actually genuine
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
@@sam7559 well clearly I don't think I'm as bad as the villains in this game for making this video, so yes not every word in the outdo is spoken sincerely.
@yelloq6666
@yelloq6666 3 месяца назад
I absolutely loved this game. Everything about it. I find it incredibly fair that people don't like it, it's not perfect and far from what you'd expect from fire emblem. But it's not a bad game. Its characters are probably the most interesting characters ever in a fire emblem game. I actually cared about them and cared about using them and they weren't one note boring tropes. The combat is much better than most fire emblem games in my opinion. The arts, the weapons, not worrying about durability, working towards cool weapons, blah blah blah. I enjoyed all of this, way more than I would buying tons of iron weapons to use constantly. Ive never gotten why people say promote immediately. Why promote at level 7 for basically 1 good level up instead of promoting at level 11 or 12 and getting WAY more stats than a promotion would give you, and then getting another 20 levels of leveling up to work with? Please someone explain why 1 atk and 1 skill is worth just not promoting.
@paulpallo5513
@paulpallo5513 3 месяца назад
Answer: It's for Movement, Special abilities (Like Apotrope) and Experience gain. For Mages it's gaining White Magic and Clerics it's for Black Magic that actually kills. Sure, you can grind your units if you want (and they will better for it). But that is such a slog and I don't find that enjoyable. Promotion gives you the base stats (except Luck and Res) of the promotion class, which ensures that will be on par with average enemy units no matter what. Some part of the "grind" is irrelevant because you just lose the promotion gains you would receive by gaining stats from extra levels. You could just get better stats faster instead for way less effort by promoting. No tier 3 classes are capping their levels in the base game unless you grind for it, so you're never really wasting experience, just your time. Grinding is not needed to complete the game at all.
@VuNguyen-fv5jl
@VuNguyen-fv5jl 3 месяца назад
Echoes sounds like RPG on a grid, not a strategy game
@gabrielfrost1582
@gabrielfrost1582 Месяц назад
The sound track and art just put it up their for me, without this game we wouldnt have twilight of the gods.
@nocberry7797
@nocberry7797 Месяц назад
Wait a second... you show a image of the cover of Geneology of the Holy war, while talking about balancing and don´t like the grinding of Echoes? :P Arena Abusing especialy in FE4 is just grinding even without any risks and you can do it on every map beginning in chapter 2 with any character, and you need it! (Well i needed it xD)
@Choops6969
@Choops6969 4 дня назад
when someone compares fe4 arena to unlimited grinding i wonder if they know they're bullshitting or if they're just naive.
@nocberry7797
@nocberry7797 4 дня назад
@@Choops6969 It´s not unlimited but eats up a LOT of time up to an hour before you start a chapter for real and maybe again after conquering castles. And if you not do this you waste al ot of EXP that you need. While the only grind you need to do in Echoes is maybe at the beginning of act 2 so that you can beat the zombie dragons early.
@pesking9975
@pesking9975 Месяц назад
Ending was full of surprises
@OniramKenobi
@OniramKenobi 3 месяца назад
Strawmen sure are fun right? Lol
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Yes they are - you can always win against straw-men! I'm being a little goofy in this video, I'm sure more sophisticated defenses of this game are on offer!!
@alondite215
@alondite215 3 месяца назад
Still don't hate it even 1/10th as much as Awakening, which is such a catastrophic disaster of game design that I'm surprised it ever made it out of testing.
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Haha I'm a bit new to this series, so I haven't played Awakening yet. I've heard it has a world map and grinding as well?
@AlexT7916
@AlexT7916 3 месяца назад
​@@lane3574yes, and it also gets criticism for it's map design being fairly bland, but thankfully it doesn't have some of the tear your hair out mechanics Gaiden/Echoes had
@timothyn4699
@timothyn4699 3 месяца назад
don't know what you're talking about about, Awakening is among the best FE games. Love the cast of characters and their interactions
@estebanfierrofierro5022
@estebanfierrofierro5022 3 месяца назад
​@@timothyn4699While the Awakening cast is great, the story is mediocre (even tho by the series standard, is on the good side), the gameplay greatly favors grinding (by the highest amount in the series by far) and is incredible unbalanced, especially in the high difficulties where it's pretty much impossible if the enemies get a certain combinations of skills, which they get at random
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
@@AlexT7916gotcha, looking forward to checking out
@Aeby2886
@Aeby2886 3 месяца назад
tbh this made me wanna play Echoes lol Im awful at strategy and my favorite part of FE is building up characters I like My recent FE8 playthrough I had 39 character deaths all of which I reset for and I grinded in the tower of valni whenever I wanted to catch new people up lol I am absolutely not good at FE
@forseti5774
@forseti5774 3 месяца назад
Don't use the map design from an old game ? FE1 had great maps. The age of gaiden has nothing to do with its bad map design. Also gaiden is better. Also huh don't grind you will not obtain the
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
The bit about the maps being bad because they are old was a joke. I agree that old maps can be great! And I agree that there is an incentive not to grind - for one thing, it's boring. My problem is that the game forces you to complete some filler battles in dungeons and on the world map. Even if you don't want to grind, you will end up completing some of these empty field battles anyways.
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@valentinchappa6702
@valentinchappa6702 3 месяца назад
All my gripes would go away if they let us have the standard 5 inventory. I don't know or care if GAYden had only one inventory slot. DON'T TAKE AWAY MY POCKETS!!!!!!!!
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Fr!!
@giovannimonestier490
@giovannimonestier490 20 дней назад
I loved this game, maybe im weird, but is my fav FE sorry
@Choops6969
@Choops6969 3 месяца назад
i agree
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Thanks for watching!
@thatsstrategy
@thatsstrategy 3 месяца назад
As I, personally, put it; SoV is a good game, but a bad *Fire Emblem* game (imo).
@ultimatehamsandwich734
@ultimatehamsandwich734 Месяц назад
Echoes. the only FE game where a unit gets WORSE by getting a basic sword on promotion
@DoTtA1123
@DoTtA1123 3 месяца назад
got some good stuff going on here, keep it up!
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Thanks so much!
@PKRockin7
@PKRockin7 2 месяца назад
You were spot on There's something deeply disturbing about the universal praise this game gets despite the obvious gameplay shortcomings. The poor map design, tedious progression, poor enemy placements... there's this sense of dullness and boredom that permeates the entire experience. And yet this game is placed on the highest pedestal. The narrative isn't even good enough to justify all of the praise!
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 2 месяца назад
I mean the maps aren`t very good but progression isn`t that and enemy placement isn`t all that bad either, I don`t see how it`s dull or boring at least for the most part. Eh the narrative is pretty solid though.
@PKRockin7
@PKRockin7 2 месяца назад
@@jaydenc367 Enemy placement is abysmal, what are you even talking about? The game places them carelessly, and you have to wait for enemies to come to you. This makes sense, given how the maps are unchanged from FE2, a game from the 90s with an experimental design that was rightfully called out for its bad map design. As for the narrative... It's bad. When it doesn't fumble on the core conceit of Celica and Alm being equal halves, it's stupid shit like Celica carelessly giving up her soul to Duma, it's the game rejecting the importance of bloodline only for Alm to be royalty and have that literally open doors for him. It's Jedah being cartoonishly evil. It's Berkut sacrificing his wife like nothing and getting praised for it. It's awful
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 2 месяца назад
@@PKRockin7 It really isn`t abysmal. Well not always, and waiting for them to come to you isn`t anything new for some Fire Emblem strategies. The narrative is pretty great not bad. Well it doesn`t fumble on that and Celica wasn`t even being careless when that happened when you look at the context. And? Alm still tries to reject being king time and time again. Having a cartoonishly evil character is not a bad thing. He didn`t do that willingly though.
@PKRockin7
@PKRockin7 2 месяца назад
@@jaydenc367 Your arguments are literally just "um, no" without providing any examples. And you've already said the map design sucks, only to double back and go "well enemy placement is fine actually" so which is it? The narrative is pretty trash. It says one thing (Alm and Celica are equals) and shows another (Celica constantly making mistakes and having to be bailed out by Alm from her dumb decisions). It's treatment of female characters in general is pretty abysmal too and Jedah is a trash villain. So what's even left. A standard medieval fantasy plot with a decaying dragon and beating it solves everything. Pretty weak, even for Fire Emblem
@jaydenc367
@jaydenc367 2 месяца назад
@@PKRockin7 Then so are yours. Which is it? What do you mean? Those are two dfiferent things. It really isn`t trash. (both made mistakes and needed some help though). Not really they get some pretty good development and Jedah is a great villain. I don`t see how it`s bad or weak.
@TwilightWolf032
@TwilightWolf032 Месяц назад
If you had taken more time properly spacing out the strawman arguments and audio balancing, this would have been much better. Also, spend more time explaining the pros and cons of each mechanic you argued for or against, like how you did for the "leveling up/maintaining unit alive" portion.
@djipminderman4840
@djipminderman4840 3 месяца назад
Make a similiar video about Three Houses, why don't you, you coward.
@404Dannyboy
@404Dannyboy 3 месяца назад
Three houses has problems but I would rather play that game through 4 times than play Echoes through once.
@counterclockwiseemu8447
@counterclockwiseemu8447 3 месяца назад
@@404Dannyboy I totally agree let’s gooooo
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Three houses was my intro to the series, and I honestly loved it. The map design isn't the best, and there are problems with re-used content and social mechanics, but I was engrossed by the story and got invested in building my units.
@counterclockwiseemu8447
@counterclockwiseemu8447 3 месяца назад
@@lane3574 mee toooooo the saddest part of the story was when that one guy guy died
@djipminderman4840
@djipminderman4840 3 месяца назад
@@404Dannyboy And you probably have 400 hours in Persona 5 on Safety difficulty.
@ballisticgoose6258
@ballisticgoose6258 Месяц назад
You are wrong buddy 🤪
@haydentaylor8245
@haydentaylor8245 3 месяца назад
Very good video man keep up the good work!
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Appreciate it!
@polyman6859
@polyman6859 3 месяца назад
Honestly yeah, FE games really went downhill after they removed Phoenix Mode.
@lane3574
@lane3574 2 месяца назад
Phoenix mode did not go far enough. We need Phoenix mode + turn wheel + revive fountains.
@polyman6859
@polyman6859 2 месяца назад
@@lane3574 Don't forget resurrection staffs
@boyd23100
@boyd23100 3 месяца назад
SoV easily has the worst gameplay in the series.
@weaselrippedflesh
@weaselrippedflesh 3 месяца назад
"look at these other fire emblem games that don't have grinding. arena? what arena? there's no such thing as an arena."
@lane3574
@lane3574 3 месяца назад
Arena does present an opportunity for more level ups but I don't think it's there to grind your units. For one thing, it's far riskier than grinding in echoes. For another thing (and I haven't played genealogy since I was in high school so correct me if I'm wrong) but I believe you can only win a certain number of battles per chapter, and losing leaves your unit at 1hp. It seems like a mechanic that rewards risk taking, rather than just letting the player level up for free. On the other hand, you grind infinitely in echoes, and there is basically 0 risk in doing so.
@Choops6969
@Choops6969 3 месяца назад
I always find this arugment funny because the person making either knows deep down that comparing arena to an completely unlimited resource as some sort of equivalent is false, or they're just dumb. One facilitates weighted decision-making within a curated economy, and the other undermines it.
@weaselrippedflesh
@weaselrippedflesh 2 месяца назад
They’re not equivalent but I don’t accept the statement that fe7 for example doesn’t have grinding. The grinding can be harder to do in one game than another and still be grinding.
@PKRockin7
@PKRockin7 2 месяца назад
@@Choops6969 Being dumb is typical for Echoes fans, yes
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